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00:00:07,609\n政務委員質詢。而謝主席麻煩請部長。\n\n2\n00:00:15,052 --> 00:00:40,790\n部長好,因為不小心瞄到了一個新聞所以來關心一下這件事情那這個桃園青埔這一帶就是交通也非常便利那目前也是整個桃園發展的主要的一個重點所以外來的人口移入就是非常多也會越來越多那醫療需求也是隨之增加\n\n3\n00:00:41,610 --> 00:01:04,676\n那當然在鄭文燦擔任市長的時期在2019年的時候他還蠻有遠見的就跟了這個市政府就跟這個清華大學簽訂了合作意向書那由市政府無償提供7.2公頃的土地那由這個高雄醫學大學負責興建醫院還有營運\n\n4\n00:01:07,237 --> 00:01:21,767\n這不僅可以解決未來桃園青埔醫療需求問題還有醫學教育研發的功能而且清華大學跟高一大也在去年簽約了\n\n5\n00:01:24,309 --> 00:01:25,490\n這件事情這個好事情呢現在卻傳出聲變了\n\n6\n00:01:44,269 --> 00:01:44,850\n嗯,包圍了\n\n7\n00:02:10,902 --> 00:02:35,554\n不太清楚這樣一個變化那你們那個誰可以來回答一下根文報告據我們瞭解是目前清大跟高一之間還有一些合約上的問題不好意思你講得很高麥克風那個不好意思就是那個因為我們目前瞭解的是那個清大跟高一之間有一些合約的關係還沒有釐清所以他們目前有這些問題現在我想是這樣子\n\n8\n00:02:38,496 --> 00:02:54,454\n接著今天質詢那也麻煩部長要關心一下這個狀況我們來看一下這個臺北市跟桃園市的人口臺北市的人口已經將近250萬了桃園市的人口也是230幾萬其實\n\n9\n00:02:58,098 --> 00:03:05,644\n陶淵目前我們看他就是除了這個準部立醫院的這個部立醫院的準醫學中心那在外加一個\n\n10\n00:03:26,459 --> 00:03:27,039\n他的地址就是龜山鄉\n\n11\n00:03:44,468 --> 00:03:47,510\n那我再請教就是說那南桃園還有靠海線的部分有沒有教學醫院?\n\n12\n00:04:13,638 --> 00:04:14,838\n藍濤教學醫院藍濤藍濤藍濤藍濤\n\n13\n00:04:37,677 --> 00:04:38,618\n我們中央沒有問題啦\n\n14\n00:05:03,772 --> 00:05:27,526\n不是,等一下,我是請教他們就是高益達退堂鼓只是說什麼,到底是什麼原因,因為你講說合約不清,我想知道什麼原因啊,比較具體的,那個醫師師幫忙一下不是,因為部長他不是很清楚,你就直接回答就好了好不好醫師師這邊也因為沒有,兩兆還沒有找到我們醫師師這邊來\n\n15\n00:05:30,135 --> 00:05:48,514\n你就這樣講就好啦,這樣我們才知道說這個問題我們接下來應該下個步驟是什麼?有時候外面傳出來的不一定是實際上的狀況,但是至少我們醫事室還沒有處理那個問題所以醫事室剛剛回答是外面傳出來的消息?\n\n16\n00:05:49,571 --> 00:05:50,651\n其實這個合作原本是個好事啦\n\n17\n00:06:07,377 --> 00:06:20,215\n我們暫且不論說你們核定了多少不管是這個醫學中心到底這個點子問題我在這裡我先不討論但是就整個桃園來講他那個分布我這樣攤開來其實是\n\n18\n00:06:22,518 --> 00:06:47,797\n就是這個需求供需上是失衡的那我現在就是說這個桃園市政府我想那個張市長他剛剛說落下狠話然後提了他們提出兩個方案那第一個他有提到就是說要把這個清大來跟這個市府合作一起蓋市立醫院\n\n19\n00:06:49,781 --> 00:07:07,338\n但這個等級當然是醫學中心的一個市立醫院那我是想請教說第一個這樣子因為這個副市長有做這樣子的公開發表那他們這樣子的這個要求可不可行因為\n\n20\n00:07:08,118 --> 00:07:17,075\n整體的這個醫療人力他要從哪裡來他們有沒有能力是否有沒有能力處理這個事情醫學院醫師護理師這個都是個問題不是嗎\n\n21\n00:07:22,693 --> 00:07:44,566\n當然是這樣,最重要是要評估,真的要去評估當地的醫療資源,不是說,因為要看他是不是區域醫院,有區域醫院,有地區醫院。那個部長是這樣子,就是說,其實我有很多選民在,他們在大溪嘛,也很南邊的,那常常就是說,當然這個區域、地區醫院,\n\n22\n00:07:46,847 --> 00:08:14,265\n那為什麼用這個醫學中心那主要是那個就是說大醫院那個急重症好難症就是可以這個在區醫院就可以完成全部都可以完成你看我們所有的部立醫院都是都是區醫院或者是地區醫院那你們都不用再繼續核定了當時就肩負起那個也都可以肩負起急重症如果說\n\n23\n00:08:17,348 --> 00:08:42,988\n部長我剛剛第一個問題就是說他們這樣子我們有很多的擔憂啦他市府有沒有能力去統籌整理這些看起來其實是有點天方夜譚然後第二個就是說清華大學第二個市府提的方案就是說要清華大學要另外找尋這個合作的對象\n\n24\n00:08:43,809 --> 00:08:56,087\n那清華大學他們在前天有表示就是說他們將將會就是說採取這個BOT的方式招標然後在桃園清普新建醫院的這件事情\n\n25\n00:08:59,571 --> 00:09:14,203\n就是我想是說那衛福部這裡既然本席在這裡提出來了那是不是可以請你們可以主動去多加關心看看有沒有什麼可以協助的地方\n\n26\n00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:34,066\n好,我們一定去關心,因為所有的地區的醫療資源,如果均衡,如果對民眾是適當的,如果協助來增加醫療資源,都是我們應該要去關心的。所以既然委員有提出這個問題,我們會請醫師師馬上去了解,那了解了以後的狀況再隨時跟委員報告。\n\n27\n00:09:36,869 --> 00:09:54,966\n對嘛那如果說按照部長的講法那根本也都完全不需要啊那到時候又會產生很多問題那這個到底需不需要這不是我質詢的重點啦只是因為不是你說那個區域醫院地區醫院全部都可以處理了嘛\n\n28\n00:09:56,387 --> 00:10:12,277\n所以他們的訴求現在是醫學中心因為你醫學中心在那裡也要競爭你要競爭部桃以那個區域這次部桃就輸給臺大新竹分院其實因為是\n\n29\n00:10:14,798 --> 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--> 00:07.609\n政務委員質詢。而謝主席麻煩請部長。\n\n00:15.052 --> 00:40.790\n部長好,因為不小心瞄到了一個新聞所以來關心一下這件事情那這個桃園青埔這一帶就是交通也非常便利那目前也是整個桃園發展的主要的一個重點所以外來的人口移入就是非常多也會越來越多那醫療需求也是隨之增加\n\n00:41.610 --> 01:04.676\n那當然在鄭文燦擔任市長的時期在2019年的時候他還蠻有遠見的就跟了這個市政府就跟這個清華大學簽訂了合作意向書那由市政府無償提供7.2公頃的土地那由這個高雄醫學大學負責興建醫院還有營運\n\n01:07.237 --> 01:21.767\n這不僅可以解決未來桃園青埔醫療需求問題還有醫學教育研發的功能而且清華大學跟高一大也在去年簽約了\n\n01:24.309 --> 01:25.490\n這件事情這個好事情呢現在卻傳出聲變了\n\n01:44.269 --> 01:44.850\n嗯,包圍了\n\n02:10.902 --> 02:35.554\n不太清楚這樣一個變化那你們那個誰可以來回答一下根文報告據我們瞭解是目前清大跟高一之間還有一些合約上的問題不好意思你講得很高麥克風那個不好意思就是那個因為我們目前瞭解的是那個清大跟高一之間有一些合約的關係還沒有釐清所以他們目前有這些問題現在我想是這樣子\n\n02:38.496 --> 02:54.454\n接著今天質詢那也麻煩部長要關心一下這個狀況我們來看一下這個臺北市跟桃園市的人口臺北市的人口已經將近250萬了桃園市的人口也是230幾萬其實\n\n02:58.098 --> 03:05.644\n陶淵目前我們看他就是除了這個準部立醫院的這個部立醫院的準醫學中心那在外加一個\n\n03:26.459 --> 03:27.039\n他的地址就是龜山鄉\n\n03:44.468 --> 03:47.510\n那我再請教就是說那南桃園還有靠海線的部分有沒有教學醫院?\n\n04:13.638 --> 04:14.838\n藍濤教學醫院藍濤藍濤藍濤藍濤\n\n04:37.677 --> 04:38.618\n我們中央沒有問題啦\n\n05:03.772 --> 05:27.526\n不是,等一下,我是請教他們就是高益達退堂鼓只是說什麼,到底是什麼原因,因為你講說合約不清,我想知道什麼原因啊,比較具體的,那個醫師師幫忙一下不是,因為部長他不是很清楚,你就直接回答就好了好不好醫師師這邊也因為沒有,兩兆還沒有找到我們醫師師這邊來\n\n05:30.135 --> 05:48.514\n你就這樣講就好啦,這樣我們才知道說這個問題我們接下來應該下個步驟是什麼?有時候外面傳出來的不一定是實際上的狀況,但是至少我們醫事室還沒有處理那個問題所以醫事室剛剛回答是外面傳出來的消息?\n\n05:49.571 --> 05:50.651\n其實這個合作原本是個好事啦\n\n06:07.377 --> 06:20.215\n我們暫且不論說你們核定了多少不管是這個醫學中心到底這個點子問題我在這裡我先不討論但是就整個桃園來講他那個分布我這樣攤開來其實是\n\n06:22.518 --> 06:47.797\n就是這個需求供需上是失衡的那我現在就是說這個桃園市政府我想那個張市長他剛剛說落下狠話然後提了他們提出兩個方案那第一個他有提到就是說要把這個清大來跟這個市府合作一起蓋市立醫院\n\n06:49.781 --> 07:07.338\n但這個等級當然是醫學中心的一個市立醫院那我是想請教說第一個這樣子因為這個副市長有做這樣子的公開發表那他們這樣子的這個要求可不可行因為\n\n07:08.118 --> 07:17.075\n整體的這個醫療人力他要從哪裡來他們有沒有能力是否有沒有能力處理這個事情醫學院醫師護理師這個都是個問題不是嗎\n\n07:22.693 --> 07:44.566\n當然是這樣,最重要是要評估,真的要去評估當地的醫療資源,不是說,因為要看他是不是區域醫院,有區域醫院,有地區醫院。那個部長是這樣子,就是說,其實我有很多選民在,他們在大溪嘛,也很南邊的,那常常就是說,當然這個區域、地區醫院,\n\n07:46.847 --> 08:14.265\n那為什麼用這個醫學中心那主要是那個就是說大醫院那個急重症好難症就是可以這個在區醫院就可以完成全部都可以完成你看我們所有的部立醫院都是都是區醫院或者是地區醫院那你們都不用再繼續核定了當時就肩負起那個也都可以肩負起急重症如果說\n\n08:17.348 --> 08:42.988\n部長我剛剛第一個問題就是說他們這樣子我們有很多的擔憂啦他市府有沒有能力去統籌整理這些看起來其實是有點天方夜譚然後第二個就是說清華大學第二個市府提的方案就是說要清華大學要另外找尋這個合作的對象\n\n08:43.809 --> 08:56.087\n那清華大學他們在前天有表示就是說他們將將會就是說採取這個BOT的方式招標然後在桃園清普新建醫院的這件事情\n\n08:59.571 --> 09:14.203\n就是我想是說那衛福部這裡既然本席在這裡提出來了那是不是可以請你們可以主動去多加關心看看有沒有什麼可以協助的地方\n\n09:14.960 --> 09:34.066\n好,我們一定去關心,因為所有的地區的醫療資源,如果均衡,如果對民眾是適當的,如果協助來增加醫療資源,都是我們應該要去關心的。所以既然委員有提出這個問題,我們會請醫師師馬上去了解,那了解了以後的狀況再隨時跟委員報告。\n\n09:36.869 --> 09:54.966\n對嘛那如果說按照部長的講法那根本也都完全不需要啊那到時候又會產生很多問題那這個到底需不需要這不是我質詢的重點啦只是因為不是你說那個區域醫院地區醫院全部都可以處理了嘛\n\n09:56.387 --> 10:12.277\n所以他們的訴求現在是醫學中心因為你醫學中心在那裡也要競爭你要競爭部桃以那個區域這次部桃就輸給臺大新竹分院其實因為是\n\n10:14.798 --> 10:14.958\n好。好。\n\n10:36.858 --> 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