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00:01:45,732\n說當初公告他們明明在裡面當初公告他們明明在裡面結果拖到什麼時候拖到今年8月才開始納入獎勵方案那專科護理師他們心裡啊都不平我相信部長應該可以感同身受啦當初公告有我們啊一直拖拖到8月才給錢大家的心裡是說啊我是比較小害羞\n\n5\n00:01:47,128 --> 00:02:04,286\n我前幾個月做的是白做嗎一般的護理師可以拿到我專科護理師拿不到重點是衛福部一開始公告的專案就包括專科護理師啊為什麼到8月才發之前該給人家沒有給的部長一不應該補回去\n\n6\n00:02:05,575 --> 00:02:24,825\n報告委員我們這個來瞭解如果當時是有有啦有啦部長我跟你講我執行絕對不會做偽造變造的圖卡瞭解瞭解請你放心我不是側翼網軍我絕對不會做偽造變造的圖卡那就是你們衛福部公告的內容甚至來我再給部長看一下是\n\n7\n00:02:25,365 --> 00:02:38,580\n公文113年度全民健康保險強化住院護理照護量能方案這個是衛福部發的公文嘛全民健保會啦來你看一下實施日期113年1月1號到113年12月31號嘛\n\n8\n00:02:42,250 --> 00:03:09,038\n左手邊的公文衛福部的函專科護理師也放在裡面不過就是他有講一個輪子夜班的啦是啦當然是一樣的條件嘛阿現在人就是沒拿到錢嘛所以人夜班的專科醫師沒有拿到錢沒有啊那這個當然就你要補嘛今天承諾囉不要跟我講我會回去研究了一下說沒有錢發不出來\n\n9\n00:03:16,380 --> 00:03:18,661\n我今天只要一個承諾該給人家的給人家有沒有問題\n\n10\n00:03:39,326 --> 00:04:03,758\n當然該給人家這個當然要這樣做我接下來就看部長你回去了解完了以後這件事情要怎麼處理可不可以一個禮拜之內給我書面回覆我覺得公平性是很重要的對啦因為這些專科護理師加起來有一萬多個人嘛大家心裡都不平啦想說我們是比較小人還是我晚上都沒有在做我做了別人有領我沒有現在是什麼狀況\n\n11\n00:04:05,526 --> 00:04:19,287\n部長我這樣講你聽得懂啦齁完全聽得懂好第二個齁就是說現在齁護理界在反映的齁就是說三班護病比阿專科護理師的護病比要不要有一些規劃\n\n12\n00:04:25,484 --> 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