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00:02:02,333\n所以我想這是一個憲政的問題那我想這個原則所以這也是上次院長說過這一次用這樣的方式來處理那當然未來還是希望一定要回到憲政下的這個相互尊重所以對這一次建法補償我們也希望說如果大家有前提共識之下我們共同來尋找資金之來源那可以把這次程序完全的補正那將來大家彼此按照這樣的共識跟程序來進行以後的法律案跟預算案\n\n6\n00:02:03,013 --> 00:02:14,572\n所以未來照這樣的程序來走也就是說不應該在行政院不同意的狀況下硬增加預算是吧是要尊重彼方彼此之間的意見我再問一下院長那4萬跟6萬這個部分呢\n\n7\n00:02:17,497 --> 00:02:30,596\n進發補償4萬跟6萬的部分就是中間如果有預算還不足的部分我們就希望剛剛說的三個方式所以院長可以同意6萬但是就是用這三個解方來解然後用原住民中和發展基金這是要解決今年的問題我們願意這樣來思考\n\n8\n00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:34,101\n我還是要問如果最壞最壞的狀況\n\n9\n00:02:55,707 --> 00:03:17,370\n不通過的話,一樣不復違的話,對於整個明年度的總預算會有什麼樣的影響?我看到了影響會有2500億,其中有700億是民生的支出啦齁。我先問一下,那如果預算遲遲無法復違審查,遲遲無法通過,到了今年的會計年度前都無法通過的話,那對於軍公教條型會不會產生影響?\n\n10\n00:03:18,592 --> 00:03:19,212\n對,我們這是為了健全台電的\n\n11\n00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:48,500\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間\n\n12\n00:04:19,982 --> 00:04:29,428\n一開始可能一月份開始沒有遇到這個問題但是總之你讓一個狀況在不穩定的情況底下持續下去大家心理上的不安焦慮就會產生\n\n13\n00:04:30,285 --> 00:04:51,546\n道路改善的經費104億這個會不會受到影響?地方政府包括很多地方的重要道路改善包括省道改善計畫還有很多護理人員的整備計畫還有家電的住宅家電的一個效率的提升公共公路系統運輸系統的整個永續發展都會是在相關的\n\n14\n00:04:52,407 --> 00:04:52,707\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n15\n00:05:10,981 --> 00:05:11,441\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。（\n\n16\n00:05:34,731 --> 00:05:55,908\n這些都很急,包括前瞻也很急,甚至於包括台電的撥補也很急。台電如果不持續的進速的撥補的話,他一樣有這個電價上的一些壓力。所以我們認為這些都應該立法院進速來審議。要刪或者要怎麼樣凍結都可討論,但是全部把它卡住了,連審都不審,我認為這是立法院施予自己的職責。\n\n17\n00:05:56,892 --> 00:05:57,333\n對,我們對消防弟兄\n\n18\n00:06:11,223 --> 00:06:26,581\n不應該只說消防,最警消人員的在執行勤務上面所付出的安危代價我們一直非常非常的不捨得同心像最近內政部也提來對消防弟兄的因為最近幾個天災地變影響到他們\n\n19\n00:06:27,683 --> 00:06:42,740\n執行工作的安全動用第二日備金我們也同意我們這個部分我們絕對都國家是一體的啦其實是應該要整體來支持其實不只啦包括教育包括甚至醫療癌症的新藥包括甚至農民包括國家安全其實都等待這些預算\n\n20\n00:06:43,721 --> 00:07:02,920\n新增的部分沒有通過新增是無法動用即使是延續性的計畫你沒有確定下來的話他在使用上面有很多的一些困擾所以我們真的認為立法院應該儘速來復違把總預算來復為審查我認為這個才對得起國人對立法院對於整個政府的期待\n\n21\n00:07:04,642 --> 00:07:17,557\n除了這幾個列以外其實我看到還有很多沒有列在上面也很重要包括0到6歲國家養我認為這個非常重要少子化很嚴重的問題我認為包括賴總統包括左院長的團隊很重視支持我非常的贊同\n\n22\n00:07:19,119 --> 00:07:42,967\n三百三十五億的這樣一個經費一樣如果沒有盡快通過其實在執行上面明年度很多要執行也會遇到問題包括給這些的新的父母新生兒的父母給他們更多支持力道絕對會受到影響我們認為這個都應該盡速來通過是0到6歲國家一起養包括前瞻包括非營業特種基金加起來一共有1177億是\n\n23\n00:07:45,948 --> 00:08:08,180\n每個家庭都在等待跟過去一樣政策的延續或是新增的項目。下一代是我們很重要的競爭力。如果我們的不斷的掃紙話題不能夠去做的有效的解決,這是一個國家要面對問題,那我認為都不應該讓這些事情去卡住了這個國家該做的事情。這些事情我沒有看到任何人反對,幾乎朝野的立委都支持,但是總預算卡住了他就是無法來執行。\n\n24\n00:08:08,860 --> 00:08:29,208\n就是因為看到這樣我才覺得我們應該深有信心包括地方治水包括地方治水現在這次颱風完了很多地方治水也很急著特別是今年我們又新發現有些問題要去強化的地方治水又有159億新增的部分新增的部分就增加100億如果新增沒有通過的話它根本連動用都不能動用\n\n25\n00:08:29,628 --> 00:08:45,115\n所以這些全部都是國家應該要儘速來推動所以我真的也認為也期盼下午的這個副委的部分要儘速來推動所以再次問院長對於下午的總預算副委有沒有信心\n\n26\n00:08:46,260 --> 00:09:11,013\n我對立法院很有信心很有信心吼我們看到了各地方政府包括新竹縣長楊文科吼國民黨的一個縣長也認為期判立委他也呼籲他的兩個立委趕快來做審查我相信這是所有地方縣市政府共同期判作為父母官沒有不會想著趕快把中央經費下來趕快做事的吼每個父母官覺得是這樣不然他不會當選的吼所以我們也期盼\n\n27\n00:09:11,833 --> 00:09:32,381\n下午這樣的一個審查能夠這個副委能夠盡快來完成再來我想請教一下昨天才化法的部分吵得沸沸揚揚院長我看到那個才化法裡面其實有一點其實剛好看到前一個委員在關心今天的部分空污最嚴重地區院長你認為在哪邊\n\n28\n00:09:33,513 --> 00:09:49,579\n北中南空污最嚴重的地區在哪邊?北中南空污最嚴重的地區?最嚴重的地區。今天啊?今天,其實我告訴你好了啦,這幾天都是南部啦。南部為什麼空污最嚴重?今天,昨天是舉井,南部是舉井,然後北部是綠的。\n\n29\n00:09:50,419 --> 00:10:18,203\n今天黃色的台中綠色台北綠色空氣良好所以高雄其實南部高雄屏東台南都承受了這個重工業城市的很多的一些壓力那我要講的是在採劃法裡面的時候我都認為應該要多去照顧這些為國家付出跟犧牲這麼多的一些縣市他台電電力啦高雄電力是40%往中往北送\n\n30\n00:10:19,601 --> 00:10:48,187\n剛剛還在談要不要電廠高雄還在增加新電廠在增加新的燃力電廠即使高雄已經增加了40%電往中央、往北送高雄還是在增加電廠因為他考慮到是國家整體利益但也考慮到未來高雄產業發展需要這個才是一個大格局在思考國家的思考如果每個都只想著自己的話那什麼都好的我都要經濟發展我要、招商我要、電力建設我要但是發電我不要發電你發給我那這樣國家不會進步、城市也不會進步\n\n31\n00:10:48,627 --> 00:10:58,145\n那我要講的是財化法的部分昨天我看到財化法的版本國民黨版本3%直接給台北市說因為台北市是首都院長這樣公平嗎\n\n32\n00:10:59,755 --> 00:11:24,789\n你的看法呢長年以來就是在這種計算分配底下對財政比較好的縣市尤其是直轄市一直都有比較好的分配那對於這些財政困難的地方院長如果國民黨版本裡面直接再加3%優先分配3%全台灣這只有首都有台北市3%院長你認為這有道理嗎你同意嗎你支持嗎\n\n33\n00:11:25,987 --> 00:11:53,895\n我雖然在臺北市出生照道理講臺北市的建設我要重視但是我要公開的說我在立法院幾年當中我沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢我認為臺北市是財政是很好的他應該均衡好臺北市已經相對於其他縣市已經是天之膠質及的國家整體的資源還硬要要求3%的財政分配比例給臺北市我認為這是完全是不公平也不合理的所以我們現在會重視把臺灣整個均衡隨便舉個例子就好臺電的電廠\n\n34\n00:11:56,087 --> 00:12:23,093\n高雄、興達、南部火力發電廠、大陵電廠兩個在我的選區內總公司設在台北台北佔盡了這個優勢工廠在高雄、污染在高雄而稅收是在台北的光佔了這麼多優勢都還沒有算這筆帳的現在還要求國會的多數的國民黨要求把財政收入範圍3%交給台北市院長這樣有道理嗎?你同意嗎?你支持嗎?\n\n35\n00:12:24,366 --> 00:12:38,316\n如果從整體軍人台灣的角度來看確實是應該要檢討但這個制度長久以來存在那我們過去的幾年以及現在我們是希望用其他方式把需要的地方我們用統籌分配稅款的方式或其他的方式能夠把它拉高\n\n36\n00:12:39,646 --> 00:13:08,133\n我希望在院長這個你的任內應該要全力的去均衡全台的一個發展全台發展那不要特別是全部過度集中在台北絕對不是好事包括人口過度集中造成的各項的問題絕對不是好事包括房價高漲、交通塞車絕對不是好事那如果能夠全台均衡發展不要讓人一定要到台北才有好的機會我認為那才是一個健全的台灣跟一個成熟的台灣\n\n37\n00:13:08,473 --> 00:13:29,041\n除了一般的補助之外,其實我最想做的是把那些財政能力差的縣市如何把它補救回來,讓它能夠有更好的競爭力所以我認為有很多調配的工作其實是要由中央來做啦,你把錢全部丟到地方去,那很多是需要大筆的資源,甚至統合性的工作,跨縣市的工作,那誰來做?\n\n38\n00:13:30,241 --> 00:13:52,316\n所以我覺得這個絕對不是一個好方式就像以前那個縣市很多時候以前沒有執強室以前很多鄉鎮每個各做各的每個鄉鎮各做各的結果反倒不整合就後來反倒是由中央整體來做之後比如執強室來做之後它反而可以達到整個更好的一個效果我也希望財政收入劃分法朝野要大家要有耐性做一個好的處理\n\n39\n00:13:53,362 --> 00:14:13,080\n每個黨都有可能成為執政黨每個黨也都有可能成為國會的多數黨如果一直這樣搞的話國家永無寧日我認為對國家長遠發展絕對是壞事院長能不能這樣看法為了我們區域性的治理比如說桃竹苗、中章投雲、嘉南、高屏、花東、北北基等等這個根本更不可能是單一縣市可以自己完成\n\n40\n00:14:13,340 --> 00:14:13,760\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n41\n00:14:31,266 --> 00:14:31,866\n委員上司也跟我提過\n\n42\n00:14:53,217 --> 00:14:53,817\n我們會請陳進德政委整理好資料\n\n43\n00:15:25,464 --> 00:15:26,726\n謝謝賴瑞隆委員質詢。謝謝卓院長、部會首長的備詢。報告現在在議場二樓旁聽的是\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5095\t33706\t好,謝謝韓院長,請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長,對總預算副委有沒有信心,會不會擔心?擔心是有,但是一定要有信心的而且我也認為,最終還是會讓國人感受到行政立法兩院通力合作\n34462\t49810\t我在上個禮拜之前是有提過跟院長問過其實你也釋出了一些善意你在禁法補償的部分你有提出了三個解方包括從基金包括從第二預備金跟最佳預算來處理院長這三個你都可以接受嘛對不對\n59294\t70183\t對,那另外你有一個原則啦,就是說對於這個行政、立法要相互尊重。相互尊重的意思其實就是在於說,這幾個預算如果有增加部分一定要得到行政院的同意嘛,對不對?\n70703\t92870\t要徵詢同時必須同時找出彌補資金之來源否則突然間預算會大起來會對我們整個施政的原始計畫會產生排斥這是在建立行政院立法應該相互尊重的一個機制而且是責任政治的機制嘛不然立法院毛起來一直增加預算那行政院每一個都要買單的話那這個施政怎麼施政那責任誰負\n94377\t122333\t所以我想這是一個憲政的問題那我想這個原則所以這也是上次院長說過這一次用這樣的方式來處理那當然未來還是希望一定要回到憲政下的這個相互尊重所以對這一次建法補償我們也希望說如果大家有前提共識之下我們共同來尋找資金之來源那可以把這次程序完全的補正那將來大家彼此按照這樣的共識跟程序來進行以後的法律案跟預算案\n123013\t134572\t所以未來照這樣的程序來走也就是說不應該在行政院不同意的狀況下硬增加預算是吧是要尊重彼方彼此之間的意見我再問一下院長那4萬跟6萬這個部分呢\n137497\t150596\t進發補償4萬跟6萬的部分就是中間如果有預算還不足的部分我們就希望剛剛說的三個方式所以院長可以同意6萬但是就是用這三個解方來解然後用原住民中和發展基金這是要解決今年的問題我們願意這樣來思考\n153200\t154101\t我還是要問如果最壞最壞的狀況\n175707\t197370\t不通過的話,一樣不復違的話,對於整個明年度的總預算會有什麼樣的影響?我看到了影響會有2500億,其中有700億是民生的支出啦齁。我先問一下,那如果預算遲遲無法復違審查,遲遲無法通過,到了今年的會計年度前都無法通過的話,那對於軍公教條型會不會產生影響?\n198592\t199212\t對,我們這是為了健全台電的\n228120\t228500\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間\n259982\t269428\t一開始可能一月份開始沒有遇到這個問題但是總之你讓一個狀況在不穩定的情況底下持續下去大家心理上的不安焦慮就會產生\n270285\t291546\t道路改善的經費104億這個會不會受到影響?地方政府包括很多地方的重要道路改善包括省道改善計畫還有很多護理人員的整備計畫還有家電的住宅家電的一個效率的提升公共公路系統運輸系統的整個永續發展都會是在相關的\n292407\t292707\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n310981\t311441\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。（\n334731\t355908\t這些都很急,包括前瞻也很急,甚至於包括台電的撥補也很急。台電如果不持續的進速的撥補的話,他一樣有這個電價上的一些壓力。所以我們認為這些都應該立法院進速來審議。要刪或者要怎麼樣凍結都可討論,但是全部把它卡住了,連審都不審,我認為這是立法院施予自己的職責。\n356892\t357333\t對,我們對消防弟兄\n371223\t386581\t不應該只說消防,最警消人員的在執行勤務上面所付出的安危代價我們一直非常非常的不捨得同心像最近內政部也提來對消防弟兄的因為最近幾個天災地變影響到他們\n387683\t402740\t執行工作的安全動用第二日備金我們也同意我們這個部分我們絕對都國家是一體的啦其實是應該要整體來支持其實不只啦包括教育包括甚至醫療癌症的新藥包括甚至農民包括國家安全其實都等待這些預算\n403721\t422920\t新增的部分沒有通過新增是無法動用即使是延續性的計畫你沒有確定下來的話他在使用上面有很多的一些困擾所以我們真的認為立法院應該儘速來復違把總預算來復為審查我認為這個才對得起國人對立法院對於整個政府的期待\n424642\t437557\t除了這幾個列以外其實我看到還有很多沒有列在上面也很重要包括0到6歲國家養我認為這個非常重要少子化很嚴重的問題我認為包括賴總統包括左院長的團隊很重視支持我非常的贊同\n439119\t462967\t三百三十五億的這樣一個經費一樣如果沒有盡快通過其實在執行上面明年度很多要執行也會遇到問題包括給這些的新的父母新生兒的父母給他們更多支持力道絕對會受到影響我們認為這個都應該盡速來通過是0到6歲國家一起養包括前瞻包括非營業特種基金加起來一共有1177億是\n465948\t488180\t每個家庭都在等待跟過去一樣政策的延續或是新增的項目。下一代是我們很重要的競爭力。如果我們的不斷的掃紙話題不能夠去做的有效的解決,這是一個國家要面對問題,那我認為都不應該讓這些事情去卡住了這個國家該做的事情。這些事情我沒有看到任何人反對,幾乎朝野的立委都支持,但是總預算卡住了他就是無法來執行。\n488860\t509208\t就是因為看到這樣我才覺得我們應該深有信心包括地方治水包括地方治水現在這次颱風完了很多地方治水也很急著特別是今年我們又新發現有些問題要去強化的地方治水又有159億新增的部分新增的部分就增加100億如果新增沒有通過的話它根本連動用都不能動用\n509628\t525115\t所以這些全部都是國家應該要儘速來推動所以我真的也認為也期盼下午的這個副委的部分要儘速來推動所以再次問院長對於下午的總預算副委有沒有信心\n526260\t551013\t我對立法院很有信心很有信心吼我們看到了各地方政府包括新竹縣長楊文科吼國民黨的一個縣長也認為期判立委他也呼籲他的兩個立委趕快來做審查我相信這是所有地方縣市政府共同期判作為父母官沒有不會想著趕快把中央經費下來趕快做事的吼每個父母官覺得是這樣不然他不會當選的吼所以我們也期盼\n551833\t572381\t下午這樣的一個審查能夠這個副委能夠盡快來完成再來我想請教一下昨天才化法的部分吵得沸沸揚揚院長我看到那個才化法裡面其實有一點其實剛好看到前一個委員在關心今天的部分空污最嚴重地區院長你認為在哪邊\n573513\t589579\t北中南空污最嚴重的地區在哪邊?北中南空污最嚴重的地區?最嚴重的地區。今天啊?今天,其實我告訴你好了啦,這幾天都是南部啦。南部為什麼空污最嚴重?今天,昨天是舉井,南部是舉井,然後北部是綠的。\n590419\t618203\t今天黃色的台中綠色台北綠色空氣良好所以高雄其實南部高雄屏東台南都承受了這個重工業城市的很多的一些壓力那我要講的是在採劃法裡面的時候我都認為應該要多去照顧這些為國家付出跟犧牲這麼多的一些縣市他台電電力啦高雄電力是40%往中往北送\n619601\t648187\t剛剛還在談要不要電廠高雄還在增加新電廠在增加新的燃力電廠即使高雄已經增加了40%電往中央、往北送高雄還是在增加電廠因為他考慮到是國家整體利益但也考慮到未來高雄產業發展需要這個才是一個大格局在思考國家的思考如果每個都只想著自己的話那什麼都好的我都要經濟發展我要、招商我要、電力建設我要但是發電我不要發電你發給我那這樣國家不會進步、城市也不會進步\n648627\t658145\t那我要講的是財化法的部分昨天我看到財化法的版本國民黨版本3%直接給台北市說因為台北市是首都院長這樣公平嗎\n659755\t684789\t你的看法呢長年以來就是在這種計算分配底下對財政比較好的縣市尤其是直轄市一直都有比較好的分配那對於這些財政困難的地方院長如果國民黨版本裡面直接再加3%優先分配3%全台灣這只有首都有台北市3%院長你認為這有道理嗎你同意嗎你支持嗎\n685987\t713895\t我雖然在臺北市出生照道理講臺北市的建設我要重視但是我要公開的說我在立法院幾年當中我沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢我認為臺北市是財政是很好的他應該均衡好臺北市已經相對於其他縣市已經是天之膠質及的國家整體的資源還硬要要求3%的財政分配比例給臺北市我認為這是完全是不公平也不合理的所以我們現在會重視把臺灣整個均衡隨便舉個例子就好臺電的電廠\n716087\t743093\t高雄、興達、南部火力發電廠、大陵電廠兩個在我的選區內總公司設在台北台北佔盡了這個優勢工廠在高雄、污染在高雄而稅收是在台北的光佔了這麼多優勢都還沒有算這筆帳的現在還要求國會的多數的國民黨要求把財政收入範圍3%交給台北市院長這樣有道理嗎?你同意嗎?你支持嗎?\n744366\t758316\t如果從整體軍人台灣的角度來看確實是應該要檢討但這個制度長久以來存在那我們過去的幾年以及現在我們是希望用其他方式把需要的地方我們用統籌分配稅款的方式或其他的方式能夠把它拉高\n759646\t788133\t我希望在院長這個你的任內應該要全力的去均衡全台的一個發展全台發展那不要特別是全部過度集中在台北絕對不是好事包括人口過度集中造成的各項的問題絕對不是好事包括房價高漲、交通塞車絕對不是好事那如果能夠全台均衡發展不要讓人一定要到台北才有好的機會我認為那才是一個健全的台灣跟一個成熟的台灣\n788473\t809041\t除了一般的補助之外,其實我最想做的是把那些財政能力差的縣市如何把它補救回來,讓它能夠有更好的競爭力所以我認為有很多調配的工作其實是要由中央來做啦,你把錢全部丟到地方去,那很多是需要大筆的資源,甚至統合性的工作,跨縣市的工作,那誰來做?\n810241\t832316\t所以我覺得這個絕對不是一個好方式就像以前那個縣市很多時候以前沒有執強室以前很多鄉鎮每個各做各的每個鄉鎮各做各的結果反倒不整合就後來反倒是由中央整體來做之後比如執強室來做之後它反而可以達到整個更好的一個效果我也希望財政收入劃分法朝野要大家要有耐性做一個好的處理\n833362\t853080\t每個黨都有可能成為執政黨每個黨也都有可能成為國會的多數黨如果一直這樣搞的話國家永無寧日我認為對國家長遠發展絕對是壞事院長能不能這樣看法為了我們區域性的治理比如說桃竹苗、中章投雲、嘉南、高屏、花東、北北基等等這個根本更不可能是單一縣市可以自己完成\n853340\t853760\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n871266\t871866\t委員上司也跟我提過\n893217\t893817\t我們會請陳進德政委整理好資料\n925464\t926726\t謝謝賴瑞隆委員質詢。謝謝卓院長、部會首長的備詢。報告現在在議場二樓旁聽的是\n","txt":"好,謝謝韓院長,請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長,對總預算副委有沒有信心,會不會擔心?擔心是有,但是一定要有信心的而且我也認為,最終還是會讓國人感受到行政立法兩院通力合作\n我在上個禮拜之前是有提過跟院長問過其實你也釋出了一些善意你在禁法補償的部分你有提出了三個解方包括從基金包括從第二預備金跟最佳預算來處理院長這三個你都可以接受嘛對不對\n對,那另外你有一個原則啦,就是說對於這個行政、立法要相互尊重。相互尊重的意思其實就是在於說,這幾個預算如果有增加部分一定要得到行政院的同意嘛,對不對?\n要徵詢同時必須同時找出彌補資金之來源否則突然間預算會大起來會對我們整個施政的原始計畫會產生排斥這是在建立行政院立法應該相互尊重的一個機制而且是責任政治的機制嘛不然立法院毛起來一直增加預算那行政院每一個都要買單的話那這個施政怎麼施政那責任誰負\n所以我想這是一個憲政的問題那我想這個原則所以這也是上次院長說過這一次用這樣的方式來處理那當然未來還是希望一定要回到憲政下的這個相互尊重所以對這一次建法補償我們也希望說如果大家有前提共識之下我們共同來尋找資金之來源那可以把這次程序完全的補正那將來大家彼此按照這樣的共識跟程序來進行以後的法律案跟預算案\n所以未來照這樣的程序來走也就是說不應該在行政院不同意的狀況下硬增加預算是吧是要尊重彼方彼此之間的意見我再問一下院長那4萬跟6萬這個部分呢\n進發補償4萬跟6萬的部分就是中間如果有預算還不足的部分我們就希望剛剛說的三個方式所以院長可以同意6萬但是就是用這三個解方來解然後用原住民中和發展基金這是要解決今年的問題我們願意這樣來思考\n我還是要問如果最壞最壞的狀況\n不通過的話,一樣不復違的話,對於整個明年度的總預算會有什麼樣的影響?我看到了影響會有2500億,其中有700億是民生的支出啦齁。我先問一下,那如果預算遲遲無法復違審查,遲遲無法通過,到了今年的會計年度前都無法通過的話,那對於軍公教條型會不會產生影響?\n對,我們這是為了健全台電的\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間\n一開始可能一月份開始沒有遇到這個問題但是總之你讓一個狀況在不穩定的情況底下持續下去大家心理上的不安焦慮就會產生\n道路改善的經費104億這個會不會受到影響?地方政府包括很多地方的重要道路改善包括省道改善計畫還有很多護理人員的整備計畫還有家電的住宅家電的一個效率的提升公共公路系統運輸系統的整個永續發展都會是在相關的\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。（\n這些都很急,包括前瞻也很急,甚至於包括台電的撥補也很急。台電如果不持續的進速的撥補的話,他一樣有這個電價上的一些壓力。所以我們認為這些都應該立法院進速來審議。要刪或者要怎麼樣凍結都可討論,但是全部把它卡住了,連審都不審,我認為這是立法院施予自己的職責。\n對,我們對消防弟兄\n不應該只說消防,最警消人員的在執行勤務上面所付出的安危代價我們一直非常非常的不捨得同心像最近內政部也提來對消防弟兄的因為最近幾個天災地變影響到他們\n執行工作的安全動用第二日備金我們也同意我們這個部分我們絕對都國家是一體的啦其實是應該要整體來支持其實不只啦包括教育包括甚至醫療癌症的新藥包括甚至農民包括國家安全其實都等待這些預算\n新增的部分沒有通過新增是無法動用即使是延續性的計畫你沒有確定下來的話他在使用上面有很多的一些困擾所以我們真的認為立法院應該儘速來復違把總預算來復為審查我認為這個才對得起國人對立法院對於整個政府的期待\n除了這幾個列以外其實我看到還有很多沒有列在上面也很重要包括0到6歲國家養我認為這個非常重要少子化很嚴重的問題我認為包括賴總統包括左院長的團隊很重視支持我非常的贊同\n三百三十五億的這樣一個經費一樣如果沒有盡快通過其實在執行上面明年度很多要執行也會遇到問題包括給這些的新的父母新生兒的父母給他們更多支持力道絕對會受到影響我們認為這個都應該盡速來通過是0到6歲國家一起養包括前瞻包括非營業特種基金加起來一共有1177億是\n每個家庭都在等待跟過去一樣政策的延續或是新增的項目。下一代是我們很重要的競爭力。如果我們的不斷的掃紙話題不能夠去做的有效的解決,這是一個國家要面對問題,那我認為都不應該讓這些事情去卡住了這個國家該做的事情。這些事情我沒有看到任何人反對,幾乎朝野的立委都支持,但是總預算卡住了他就是無法來執行。\n就是因為看到這樣我才覺得我們應該深有信心包括地方治水包括地方治水現在這次颱風完了很多地方治水也很急著特別是今年我們又新發現有些問題要去強化的地方治水又有159億新增的部分新增的部分就增加100億如果新增沒有通過的話它根本連動用都不能動用\n所以這些全部都是國家應該要儘速來推動所以我真的也認為也期盼下午的這個副委的部分要儘速來推動所以再次問院長對於下午的總預算副委有沒有信心\n我對立法院很有信心很有信心吼我們看到了各地方政府包括新竹縣長楊文科吼國民黨的一個縣長也認為期判立委他也呼籲他的兩個立委趕快來做審查我相信這是所有地方縣市政府共同期判作為父母官沒有不會想著趕快把中央經費下來趕快做事的吼每個父母官覺得是這樣不然他不會當選的吼所以我們也期盼\n下午這樣的一個審查能夠這個副委能夠盡快來完成再來我想請教一下昨天才化法的部分吵得沸沸揚揚院長我看到那個才化法裡面其實有一點其實剛好看到前一個委員在關心今天的部分空污最嚴重地區院長你認為在哪邊\n北中南空污最嚴重的地區在哪邊?北中南空污最嚴重的地區?最嚴重的地區。今天啊?今天,其實我告訴你好了啦,這幾天都是南部啦。南部為什麼空污最嚴重?今天,昨天是舉井,南部是舉井,然後北部是綠的。\n今天黃色的台中綠色台北綠色空氣良好所以高雄其實南部高雄屏東台南都承受了這個重工業城市的很多的一些壓力那我要講的是在採劃法裡面的時候我都認為應該要多去照顧這些為國家付出跟犧牲這麼多的一些縣市他台電電力啦高雄電力是40%往中往北送\n剛剛還在談要不要電廠高雄還在增加新電廠在增加新的燃力電廠即使高雄已經增加了40%電往中央、往北送高雄還是在增加電廠因為他考慮到是國家整體利益但也考慮到未來高雄產業發展需要這個才是一個大格局在思考國家的思考如果每個都只想著自己的話那什麼都好的我都要經濟發展我要、招商我要、電力建設我要但是發電我不要發電你發給我那這樣國家不會進步、城市也不會進步\n那我要講的是財化法的部分昨天我看到財化法的版本國民黨版本3%直接給台北市說因為台北市是首都院長這樣公平嗎\n你的看法呢長年以來就是在這種計算分配底下對財政比較好的縣市尤其是直轄市一直都有比較好的分配那對於這些財政困難的地方院長如果國民黨版本裡面直接再加3%優先分配3%全台灣這只有首都有台北市3%院長你認為這有道理嗎你同意嗎你支持嗎\n我雖然在臺北市出生照道理講臺北市的建設我要重視但是我要公開的說我在立法院幾年當中我沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢我認為臺北市是財政是很好的他應該均衡好臺北市已經相對於其他縣市已經是天之膠質及的國家整體的資源還硬要要求3%的財政分配比例給臺北市我認為這是完全是不公平也不合理的所以我們現在會重視把臺灣整個均衡隨便舉個例子就好臺電的電廠\n高雄、興達、南部火力發電廠、大陵電廠兩個在我的選區內總公司設在台北台北佔盡了這個優勢工廠在高雄、污染在高雄而稅收是在台北的光佔了這麼多優勢都還沒有算這筆帳的現在還要求國會的多數的國民黨要求把財政收入範圍3%交給台北市院長這樣有道理嗎?你同意嗎?你支持嗎?\n如果從整體軍人台灣的角度來看確實是應該要檢討但這個制度長久以來存在那我們過去的幾年以及現在我們是希望用其他方式把需要的地方我們用統籌分配稅款的方式或其他的方式能夠把它拉高\n我希望在院長這個你的任內應該要全力的去均衡全台的一個發展全台發展那不要特別是全部過度集中在台北絕對不是好事包括人口過度集中造成的各項的問題絕對不是好事包括房價高漲、交通塞車絕對不是好事那如果能夠全台均衡發展不要讓人一定要到台北才有好的機會我認為那才是一個健全的台灣跟一個成熟的台灣\n除了一般的補助之外,其實我最想做的是把那些財政能力差的縣市如何把它補救回來,讓它能夠有更好的競爭力所以我認為有很多調配的工作其實是要由中央來做啦,你把錢全部丟到地方去,那很多是需要大筆的資源,甚至統合性的工作,跨縣市的工作,那誰來做?\n所以我覺得這個絕對不是一個好方式就像以前那個縣市很多時候以前沒有執強室以前很多鄉鎮每個各做各的每個鄉鎮各做各的結果反倒不整合就後來反倒是由中央整體來做之後比如執強室來做之後它反而可以達到整個更好的一個效果我也希望財政收入劃分法朝野要大家要有耐性做一個好的處理\n每個黨都有可能成為執政黨每個黨也都有可能成為國會的多數黨如果一直這樣搞的話國家永無寧日我認為對國家長遠發展絕對是壞事院長能不能這樣看法為了我們區域性的治理比如說桃竹苗、中章投雲、嘉南、高屏、花東、北北基等等這個根本更不可能是單一縣市可以自己完成\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n委員上司也跟我提過\n我們會請陳進德政委整理好資料\n謝謝賴瑞隆委員質詢。謝謝卓院長、部會首長的備詢。報告現在在議場二樓旁聽的是\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.095 --> 00:33.706\n好,謝謝韓院長,請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長,對總預算副委有沒有信心,會不會擔心?擔心是有,但是一定要有信心的而且我也認為,最終還是會讓國人感受到行政立法兩院通力合作\n\n00:34.462 --> 00:49.810\n我在上個禮拜之前是有提過跟院長問過其實你也釋出了一些善意你在禁法補償的部分你有提出了三個解方包括從基金包括從第二預備金跟最佳預算來處理院長這三個你都可以接受嘛對不對\n\n00:59.294 --> 01:10.183\n對,那另外你有一個原則啦,就是說對於這個行政、立法要相互尊重。相互尊重的意思其實就是在於說,這幾個預算如果有增加部分一定要得到行政院的同意嘛,對不對?\n\n01:10.703 --> 01:32.870\n要徵詢同時必須同時找出彌補資金之來源否則突然間預算會大起來會對我們整個施政的原始計畫會產生排斥這是在建立行政院立法應該相互尊重的一個機制而且是責任政治的機制嘛不然立法院毛起來一直增加預算那行政院每一個都要買單的話那這個施政怎麼施政那責任誰負\n\n01:34.377 --> 02:02.333\n所以我想這是一個憲政的問題那我想這個原則所以這也是上次院長說過這一次用這樣的方式來處理那當然未來還是希望一定要回到憲政下的這個相互尊重所以對這一次建法補償我們也希望說如果大家有前提共識之下我們共同來尋找資金之來源那可以把這次程序完全的補正那將來大家彼此按照這樣的共識跟程序來進行以後的法律案跟預算案\n\n02:03.013 --> 02:14.572\n所以未來照這樣的程序來走也就是說不應該在行政院不同意的狀況下硬增加預算是吧是要尊重彼方彼此之間的意見我再問一下院長那4萬跟6萬這個部分呢\n\n02:17.497 --> 02:30.596\n進發補償4萬跟6萬的部分就是中間如果有預算還不足的部分我們就希望剛剛說的三個方式所以院長可以同意6萬但是就是用這三個解方來解然後用原住民中和發展基金這是要解決今年的問題我們願意這樣來思考\n\n02:33.200 --> 02:34.101\n我還是要問如果最壞最壞的狀況\n\n02:55.707 --> 03:17.370\n不通過的話,一樣不復違的話,對於整個明年度的總預算會有什麼樣的影響?我看到了影響會有2500億,其中有700億是民生的支出啦齁。我先問一下,那如果預算遲遲無法復違審查,遲遲無法通過,到了今年的會計年度前都無法通過的話,那對於軍公教條型會不會產生影響?\n\n03:18.592 --> 03:19.212\n對,我們這是為了健全台電的\n\n03:48.120 --> 03:48.500\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間\n\n04:19.982 --> 04:29.428\n一開始可能一月份開始沒有遇到這個問題但是總之你讓一個狀況在不穩定的情況底下持續下去大家心理上的不安焦慮就會產生\n\n04:30.285 --> 04:51.546\n道路改善的經費104億這個會不會受到影響?地方政府包括很多地方的重要道路改善包括省道改善計畫還有很多護理人員的整備計畫還有家電的住宅家電的一個效率的提升公共公路系統運輸系統的整個永續發展都會是在相關的\n\n04:52.407 --> 04:52.707\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n05:10.981 --> 05:11.441\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。（\n\n05:34.731 --> 05:55.908\n這些都很急,包括前瞻也很急,甚至於包括台電的撥補也很急。台電如果不持續的進速的撥補的話,他一樣有這個電價上的一些壓力。所以我們認為這些都應該立法院進速來審議。要刪或者要怎麼樣凍結都可討論,但是全部把它卡住了,連審都不審,我認為這是立法院施予自己的職責。\n\n05:56.892 --> 05:57.333\n對,我們對消防弟兄\n\n06:11.223 --> 06:26.581\n不應該只說消防,最警消人員的在執行勤務上面所付出的安危代價我們一直非常非常的不捨得同心像最近內政部也提來對消防弟兄的因為最近幾個天災地變影響到他們\n\n06:27.683 --> 06:42.740\n執行工作的安全動用第二日備金我們也同意我們這個部分我們絕對都國家是一體的啦其實是應該要整體來支持其實不只啦包括教育包括甚至醫療癌症的新藥包括甚至農民包括國家安全其實都等待這些預算\n\n06:43.721 --> 07:02.920\n新增的部分沒有通過新增是無法動用即使是延續性的計畫你沒有確定下來的話他在使用上面有很多的一些困擾所以我們真的認為立法院應該儘速來復違把總預算來復為審查我認為這個才對得起國人對立法院對於整個政府的期待\n\n07:04.642 --> 07:17.557\n除了這幾個列以外其實我看到還有很多沒有列在上面也很重要包括0到6歲國家養我認為這個非常重要少子化很嚴重的問題我認為包括賴總統包括左院長的團隊很重視支持我非常的贊同\n\n07:19.119 --> 07:42.967\n三百三十五億的這樣一個經費一樣如果沒有盡快通過其實在執行上面明年度很多要執行也會遇到問題包括給這些的新的父母新生兒的父母給他們更多支持力道絕對會受到影響我們認為這個都應該盡速來通過是0到6歲國家一起養包括前瞻包括非營業特種基金加起來一共有1177億是\n\n07:45.948 --> 08:08.180\n每個家庭都在等待跟過去一樣政策的延續或是新增的項目。下一代是我們很重要的競爭力。如果我們的不斷的掃紙話題不能夠去做的有效的解決,這是一個國家要面對問題,那我認為都不應該讓這些事情去卡住了這個國家該做的事情。這些事情我沒有看到任何人反對,幾乎朝野的立委都支持,但是總預算卡住了他就是無法來執行。\n\n08:08.860 --> 08:29.208\n就是因為看到這樣我才覺得我們應該深有信心包括地方治水包括地方治水現在這次颱風完了很多地方治水也很急著特別是今年我們又新發現有些問題要去強化的地方治水又有159億新增的部分新增的部分就增加100億如果新增沒有通過的話它根本連動用都不能動用\n\n08:29.628 --> 08:45.115\n所以這些全部都是國家應該要儘速來推動所以我真的也認為也期盼下午的這個副委的部分要儘速來推動所以再次問院長對於下午的總預算副委有沒有信心\n\n08:46.260 --> 09:11.013\n我對立法院很有信心很有信心吼我們看到了各地方政府包括新竹縣長楊文科吼國民黨的一個縣長也認為期判立委他也呼籲他的兩個立委趕快來做審查我相信這是所有地方縣市政府共同期判作為父母官沒有不會想著趕快把中央經費下來趕快做事的吼每個父母官覺得是這樣不然他不會當選的吼所以我們也期盼\n\n09:11.833 --> 09:32.381\n下午這樣的一個審查能夠這個副委能夠盡快來完成再來我想請教一下昨天才化法的部分吵得沸沸揚揚院長我看到那個才化法裡面其實有一點其實剛好看到前一個委員在關心今天的部分空污最嚴重地區院長你認為在哪邊\n\n09:33.513 --> 09:49.579\n北中南空污最嚴重的地區在哪邊?北中南空污最嚴重的地區?最嚴重的地區。今天啊?今天,其實我告訴你好了啦,這幾天都是南部啦。南部為什麼空污最嚴重?今天,昨天是舉井,南部是舉井,然後北部是綠的。\n\n09:50.419 --> 10:18.203\n今天黃色的台中綠色台北綠色空氣良好所以高雄其實南部高雄屏東台南都承受了這個重工業城市的很多的一些壓力那我要講的是在採劃法裡面的時候我都認為應該要多去照顧這些為國家付出跟犧牲這麼多的一些縣市他台電電力啦高雄電力是40%往中往北送\n\n10:19.601 --> 10:48.187\n剛剛還在談要不要電廠高雄還在增加新電廠在增加新的燃力電廠即使高雄已經增加了40%電往中央、往北送高雄還是在增加電廠因為他考慮到是國家整體利益但也考慮到未來高雄產業發展需要這個才是一個大格局在思考國家的思考如果每個都只想著自己的話那什麼都好的我都要經濟發展我要、招商我要、電力建設我要但是發電我不要發電你發給我那這樣國家不會進步、城市也不會進步\n\n10:48.627 --> 10:58.145\n那我要講的是財化法的部分昨天我看到財化法的版本國民黨版本3%直接給台北市說因為台北市是首都院長這樣公平嗎\n\n10:59.755 --> 11:24.789\n你的看法呢長年以來就是在這種計算分配底下對財政比較好的縣市尤其是直轄市一直都有比較好的分配那對於這些財政困難的地方院長如果國民黨版本裡面直接再加3%優先分配3%全台灣這只有首都有台北市3%院長你認為這有道理嗎你同意嗎你支持嗎\n\n11:25.987 --> 11:53.895\n我雖然在臺北市出生照道理講臺北市的建設我要重視但是我要公開的說我在立法院幾年當中我沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢我認為臺北市是財政是很好的他應該均衡好臺北市已經相對於其他縣市已經是天之膠質及的國家整體的資源還硬要要求3%的財政分配比例給臺北市我認為這是完全是不公平也不合理的所以我們現在會重視把臺灣整個均衡隨便舉個例子就好臺電的電廠\n\n11:56.087 --> 12:23.093\n高雄、興達、南部火力發電廠、大陵電廠兩個在我的選區內總公司設在台北台北佔盡了這個優勢工廠在高雄、污染在高雄而稅收是在台北的光佔了這麼多優勢都還沒有算這筆帳的現在還要求國會的多數的國民黨要求把財政收入範圍3%交給台北市院長這樣有道理嗎?你同意嗎?你支持嗎?\n\n12:24.366 --> 12:38.316\n如果從整體軍人台灣的角度來看確實是應該要檢討但這個制度長久以來存在那我們過去的幾年以及現在我們是希望用其他方式把需要的地方我們用統籌分配稅款的方式或其他的方式能夠把它拉高\n\n12:39.646 --> 13:08.133\n我希望在院長這個你的任內應該要全力的去均衡全台的一個發展全台發展那不要特別是全部過度集中在台北絕對不是好事包括人口過度集中造成的各項的問題絕對不是好事包括房價高漲、交通塞車絕對不是好事那如果能夠全台均衡發展不要讓人一定要到台北才有好的機會我認為那才是一個健全的台灣跟一個成熟的台灣\n\n13:08.473 --> 13:29.041\n除了一般的補助之外,其實我最想做的是把那些財政能力差的縣市如何把它補救回來,讓它能夠有更好的競爭力所以我認為有很多調配的工作其實是要由中央來做啦,你把錢全部丟到地方去,那很多是需要大筆的資源,甚至統合性的工作,跨縣市的工作,那誰來做?\n\n13:30.241 --> 13:52.316\n所以我覺得這個絕對不是一個好方式就像以前那個縣市很多時候以前沒有執強室以前很多鄉鎮每個各做各的每個鄉鎮各做各的結果反倒不整合就後來反倒是由中央整體來做之後比如執強室來做之後它反而可以達到整個更好的一個效果我也希望財政收入劃分法朝野要大家要有耐性做一個好的處理\n\n13:53.362 --> 14:13.080\n每個黨都有可能成為執政黨每個黨也都有可能成為國會的多數黨如果一直這樣搞的話國家永無寧日我認為對國家長遠發展絕對是壞事院長能不能這樣看法為了我們區域性的治理比如說桃竹苗、中章投雲、嘉南、高屏、花東、北北基等等這個根本更不可能是單一縣市可以自己完成\n\n14:13.340 --> 14:13.760\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n14:31.266 --> 14:31.866\n委員上司也跟我提過\n\n14:53.217 --> 14:53.817\n我們會請陳進德政委整理好資料\n\n15:25.464 --> 15:26.726\n謝謝賴瑞隆委員質詢。謝謝卓院長、部會首長的備詢。報告現在在議場二樓旁聽的是\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.095,"end":33.706,"text":"好,謝謝韓院長,請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長,對總預算副委有沒有信心,會不會擔心?擔心是有,但是一定要有信心的而且我也認為,最終還是會讓國人感受到行政立法兩院通力合作"},{"start":34.462,"end":49.81,"text":"我在上個禮拜之前是有提過跟院長問過其實你也釋出了一些善意你在禁法補償的部分你有提出了三個解方包括從基金包括從第二預備金跟最佳預算來處理院長這三個你都可以接受嘛對不對"},{"start":59.294,"end":70.183,"text":"對,那另外你有一個原則啦,就是說對於這個行政、立法要相互尊重。相互尊重的意思其實就是在於說,這幾個預算如果有增加部分一定要得到行政院的同意嘛,對不對?"},{"start":70.703,"end":92.87,"text":"要徵詢同時必須同時找出彌補資金之來源否則突然間預算會大起來會對我們整個施政的原始計畫會產生排斥這是在建立行政院立法應該相互尊重的一個機制而且是責任政治的機制嘛不然立法院毛起來一直增加預算那行政院每一個都要買單的話那這個施政怎麼施政那責任誰負"},{"start":94.377,"end":122.333,"text":"所以我想這是一個憲政的問題那我想這個原則所以這也是上次院長說過這一次用這樣的方式來處理那當然未來還是希望一定要回到憲政下的這個相互尊重所以對這一次建法補償我們也希望說如果大家有前提共識之下我們共同來尋找資金之來源那可以把這次程序完全的補正那將來大家彼此按照這樣的共識跟程序來進行以後的法律案跟預算案"},{"start":123.013,"end":134.572,"text":"所以未來照這樣的程序來走也就是說不應該在行政院不同意的狀況下硬增加預算是吧是要尊重彼方彼此之間的意見我再問一下院長那4萬跟6萬這個部分呢"},{"start":137.497,"end":150.596,"text":"進發補償4萬跟6萬的部分就是中間如果有預算還不足的部分我們就希望剛剛說的三個方式所以院長可以同意6萬但是就是用這三個解方來解然後用原住民中和發展基金這是要解決今年的問題我們願意這樣來思考"},{"start":153.2,"end":154.101,"text":"我還是要問如果最壞最壞的狀況"},{"start":175.707,"end":197.37,"text":"不通過的話,一樣不復違的話,對於整個明年度的總預算會有什麼樣的影響?我看到了影響會有2500億,其中有700億是民生的支出啦齁。我先問一下,那如果預算遲遲無法復違審查,遲遲無法通過,到了今年的會計年度前都無法通過的話,那對於軍公教條型會不會產生影響?"},{"start":198.592,"end":199.212,"text":"對,我們這是為了健全台電的"},{"start":228.12,"end":228.5,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間"},{"start":259.982,"end":269.428,"text":"一開始可能一月份開始沒有遇到這個問題但是總之你讓一個狀況在不穩定的情況底下持續下去大家心理上的不安焦慮就會產生"},{"start":270.285,"end":291.546,"text":"道路改善的經費104億這個會不會受到影響?地方政府包括很多地方的重要道路改善包括省道改善計畫還有很多護理人員的整備計畫還有家電的住宅家電的一個效率的提升公共公路系統運輸系統的整個永續發展都會是在相關的"},{"start":292.407,"end":292.707,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":310.981,"end":311.441,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。（"},{"start":334.731,"end":355.908,"text":"這些都很急,包括前瞻也很急,甚至於包括台電的撥補也很急。台電如果不持續的進速的撥補的話,他一樣有這個電價上的一些壓力。所以我們認為這些都應該立法院進速來審議。要刪或者要怎麼樣凍結都可討論,但是全部把它卡住了,連審都不審,我認為這是立法院施予自己的職責。"},{"start":356.892,"end":357.333,"text":"對,我們對消防弟兄"},{"start":371.223,"end":386.581,"text":"不應該只說消防,最警消人員的在執行勤務上面所付出的安危代價我們一直非常非常的不捨得同心像最近內政部也提來對消防弟兄的因為最近幾個天災地變影響到他們"},{"start":387.683,"end":402.74,"text":"執行工作的安全動用第二日備金我們也同意我們這個部分我們絕對都國家是一體的啦其實是應該要整體來支持其實不只啦包括教育包括甚至醫療癌症的新藥包括甚至農民包括國家安全其實都等待這些預算"},{"start":403.721,"end":422.92,"text":"新增的部分沒有通過新增是無法動用即使是延續性的計畫你沒有確定下來的話他在使用上面有很多的一些困擾所以我們真的認為立法院應該儘速來復違把總預算來復為審查我認為這個才對得起國人對立法院對於整個政府的期待"},{"start":424.642,"end":437.557,"text":"除了這幾個列以外其實我看到還有很多沒有列在上面也很重要包括0到6歲國家養我認為這個非常重要少子化很嚴重的問題我認為包括賴總統包括左院長的團隊很重視支持我非常的贊同"},{"start":439.119,"end":462.967,"text":"三百三十五億的這樣一個經費一樣如果沒有盡快通過其實在執行上面明年度很多要執行也會遇到問題包括給這些的新的父母新生兒的父母給他們更多支持力道絕對會受到影響我們認為這個都應該盡速來通過是0到6歲國家一起養包括前瞻包括非營業特種基金加起來一共有1177億是"},{"start":465.948,"end":488.18,"text":"每個家庭都在等待跟過去一樣政策的延續或是新增的項目。下一代是我們很重要的競爭力。如果我們的不斷的掃紙話題不能夠去做的有效的解決,這是一個國家要面對問題,那我認為都不應該讓這些事情去卡住了這個國家該做的事情。這些事情我沒有看到任何人反對,幾乎朝野的立委都支持,但是總預算卡住了他就是無法來執行。"},{"start":488.86,"end":509.208,"text":"就是因為看到這樣我才覺得我們應該深有信心包括地方治水包括地方治水現在這次颱風完了很多地方治水也很急著特別是今年我們又新發現有些問題要去強化的地方治水又有159億新增的部分新增的部分就增加100億如果新增沒有通過的話它根本連動用都不能動用"},{"start":509.628,"end":525.115,"text":"所以這些全部都是國家應該要儘速來推動所以我真的也認為也期盼下午的這個副委的部分要儘速來推動所以再次問院長對於下午的總預算副委有沒有信心"},{"start":526.26,"end":551.013,"text":"我對立法院很有信心很有信心吼我們看到了各地方政府包括新竹縣長楊文科吼國民黨的一個縣長也認為期判立委他也呼籲他的兩個立委趕快來做審查我相信這是所有地方縣市政府共同期判作為父母官沒有不會想著趕快把中央經費下來趕快做事的吼每個父母官覺得是這樣不然他不會當選的吼所以我們也期盼"},{"start":551.833,"end":572.381,"text":"下午這樣的一個審查能夠這個副委能夠盡快來完成再來我想請教一下昨天才化法的部分吵得沸沸揚揚院長我看到那個才化法裡面其實有一點其實剛好看到前一個委員在關心今天的部分空污最嚴重地區院長你認為在哪邊"},{"start":573.513,"end":589.579,"text":"北中南空污最嚴重的地區在哪邊?北中南空污最嚴重的地區?最嚴重的地區。今天啊?今天,其實我告訴你好了啦,這幾天都是南部啦。南部為什麼空污最嚴重?今天,昨天是舉井,南部是舉井,然後北部是綠的。"},{"start":590.419,"end":618.203,"text":"今天黃色的台中綠色台北綠色空氣良好所以高雄其實南部高雄屏東台南都承受了這個重工業城市的很多的一些壓力那我要講的是在採劃法裡面的時候我都認為應該要多去照顧這些為國家付出跟犧牲這麼多的一些縣市他台電電力啦高雄電力是40%往中往北送"},{"start":619.601,"end":648.187,"text":"剛剛還在談要不要電廠高雄還在增加新電廠在增加新的燃力電廠即使高雄已經增加了40%電往中央、往北送高雄還是在增加電廠因為他考慮到是國家整體利益但也考慮到未來高雄產業發展需要這個才是一個大格局在思考國家的思考如果每個都只想著自己的話那什麼都好的我都要經濟發展我要、招商我要、電力建設我要但是發電我不要發電你發給我那這樣國家不會進步、城市也不會進步"},{"start":648.627,"end":658.145,"text":"那我要講的是財化法的部分昨天我看到財化法的版本國民黨版本3%直接給台北市說因為台北市是首都院長這樣公平嗎"},{"start":659.755,"end":684.789,"text":"你的看法呢長年以來就是在這種計算分配底下對財政比較好的縣市尤其是直轄市一直都有比較好的分配那對於這些財政困難的地方院長如果國民黨版本裡面直接再加3%優先分配3%全台灣這只有首都有台北市3%院長你認為這有道理嗎你同意嗎你支持嗎"},{"start":685.987,"end":713.895,"text":"我雖然在臺北市出生照道理講臺北市的建設我要重視但是我要公開的說我在立法院幾年當中我沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢我認為臺北市是財政是很好的他應該均衡好臺北市已經相對於其他縣市已經是天之膠質及的國家整體的資源還硬要要求3%的財政分配比例給臺北市我認為這是完全是不公平也不合理的所以我們現在會重視把臺灣整個均衡隨便舉個例子就好臺電的電廠"},{"start":716.087,"end":743.093,"text":"高雄、興達、南部火力發電廠、大陵電廠兩個在我的選區內總公司設在台北台北佔盡了這個優勢工廠在高雄、污染在高雄而稅收是在台北的光佔了這麼多優勢都還沒有算這筆帳的現在還要求國會的多數的國民黨要求把財政收入範圍3%交給台北市院長這樣有道理嗎?你同意嗎?你支持嗎?"},{"start":744.366,"end":758.316,"text":"如果從整體軍人台灣的角度來看確實是應該要檢討但這個制度長久以來存在那我們過去的幾年以及現在我們是希望用其他方式把需要的地方我們用統籌分配稅款的方式或其他的方式能夠把它拉高"},{"start":759.646,"end":788.133,"text":"我希望在院長這個你的任內應該要全力的去均衡全台的一個發展全台發展那不要特別是全部過度集中在台北絕對不是好事包括人口過度集中造成的各項的問題絕對不是好事包括房價高漲、交通塞車絕對不是好事那如果能夠全台均衡發展不要讓人一定要到台北才有好的機會我認為那才是一個健全的台灣跟一個成熟的台灣"},{"start":788.473,"end":809.041,"text":"除了一般的補助之外,其實我最想做的是把那些財政能力差的縣市如何把它補救回來,讓它能夠有更好的競爭力所以我認為有很多調配的工作其實是要由中央來做啦,你把錢全部丟到地方去,那很多是需要大筆的資源,甚至統合性的工作,跨縣市的工作,那誰來做?"},{"start":810.241,"end":832.316,"text":"所以我覺得這個絕對不是一個好方式就像以前那個縣市很多時候以前沒有執強室以前很多鄉鎮每個各做各的每個鄉鎮各做各的結果反倒不整合就後來反倒是由中央整體來做之後比如執強室來做之後它反而可以達到整個更好的一個效果我也希望財政收入劃分法朝野要大家要有耐性做一個好的處理"},{"start":833.362,"end":853.08,"text":"每個黨都有可能成為執政黨每個黨也都有可能成為國會的多數黨如果一直這樣搞的話國家永無寧日我認為對國家長遠發展絕對是壞事院長能不能這樣看法為了我們區域性的治理比如說桃竹苗、中章投雲、嘉南、高屏、花東、北北基等等這個根本更不可能是單一縣市可以自己完成"},{"start":853.34,"end":853.76,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":871.266,"end":871.866,"text":"委員上司也跟我提過"},{"start":893.217,"end":893.817,"text":"我們會請陳進德政委整理好資料"},{"start":925.464,"end":926.726,"text":"謝謝賴瑞隆委員質詢。謝謝卓院長、部會首長的備詢。報告現在在議場二樓旁聽的是"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":803,"blocks":[["賴委員瑞隆：（11時20分）謝謝韓院長，請卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：賴委員好。"],["賴委員瑞隆：卓院長，對總預算付委有沒有信心？會不會擔心？"],["卓院長榮泰：擔心是有，但是一定要有信心，而且我也認為最終還是會讓國人感受到行政、立法兩院通力合作。"],["賴委員瑞隆：我在上個禮拜之前是有提過、跟院長問過，其實你也釋出一些善意，你在禁伐補償的部分有提出3個解方，包括從基金、包括從第二預備金跟追加預算來處理，院長，這3個方式你都可以接受嘛，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：也要大院能夠接受。"],["賴委員瑞隆：就是你同意，如果立法院這邊也同意，其實就解了嘛。"],["卓院長榮泰：對，但是前面那幾個原則性的問題，大家要有共識。"],["賴委員瑞隆：對，另外你有一個原則，就是行政、立法要相互尊重。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["賴委員瑞隆：相互尊重的意思其實就是在於，這個預算如果有增加的部分，一定要得到行政院的同意，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：要徵詢，同時必須找出彌補資金之來源。"],["賴委員瑞隆：對。"],["卓院長榮泰：否則突然間預算大起來，對我們整個施政的原始計畫會產生排擠……"],["賴委員瑞隆：這是在建立行政跟立法應該相互尊重的一個機制。"],["卓院長榮泰：對，沒有錯。"],["賴委員瑞隆：而且也是責任政治的機制，不然立法院卯起來一直增加預算，行政院每一個都要買單的話，那這個施政怎麼施政？那責任誰負？所以我想這是一個憲政的問題，我想這個原則確實……所以這也是上次院長說過，這次用這樣的方式來處理，當然未來還是希望一定要回到憲政下的相互尊重。"],["卓院長榮泰：所以對於這次的禁伐補償，我們也希望如果大家有前提、共識之下，我們共同來尋找資金之來源，可以把這次的程序完全地補正，將來大家彼此按照這樣的共識跟程序來進行以後的法律案跟預算案。"],["賴委員瑞隆：所以未來照這樣的程序來走，也就是不應該在行政院不同意的狀況下硬增加預算，是吧！"],["卓院長榮泰：是，要尊重彼此之間的意見。"],["賴委員瑞隆：我再問一下院長，那4萬跟6萬這個部分呢？就是禁伐補償4萬跟6萬的部分。"],["卓院長榮泰：就是中間如果有預算還不足的部分，我們就希望剛剛說的3個方式……"],["賴委員瑞隆：所以院長可以同意6萬，但是就是用這3個解方來解，用原住民族綜合發展基金或者……"],["卓院長榮泰：這是要解決今年的問題，我們願意這樣來思考，就是前提、原則要先確立。"],["賴委員瑞隆：我想這也是院長釋出一個很大的善意，就是等於你也同意用這樣的方式來處理，那我們也期盼在今天下午的時候，這樣的總預算能夠順利地付委。"],["卓院長榮泰：對，非常期待。"],["賴委員瑞隆：因為國人期待很久，包括我看很多的縣市政府也很急。我還是要問，如果最壞、最壞的狀況，不通過的話，一樣不付委的話，對於整個明年度的總預算會有什麼樣的影響？我看到的影響會有2,500億，其中有700億是民生的支出。我先問一下，如果預算遲遲無法付委審查，遲遲無法通過，到了今年的會計年度前都無法通過的話，對於軍公教調薪會不會產生影響？"],["卓院長榮泰：軍公教調薪272億當中有50億是由地方政府來編，有90億是中央政府編的然後補助給地方，將來預算如果沒有及時來完成，那勢必會拖延。"],["賴委員瑞隆：會拖延啦！有可能最後還是通過，還是有可能給，但是會拖延到。那教育的部分，公私立學校一些電費優惠的部分會不會影響到？"],["卓院長榮泰：為了健全台電的財務，我們希望以前的補貼政策各目的事業主管機關能夠有所因應，所以會回到目的事業主管機關去編列，這個部分可能對於將來在用電上或是電費收取上會造成彼此之間很多的不便。"],["賴委員瑞隆：因為電費的關係，我們還適度做了一些調整，在調整之後，我們希望不要影響到學校，會給它補貼，如果預算沒有通過的話，學校沒有辦法拿到這個補貼，在用電上面一定會吃緊，因為他們並不清楚到底能不能……當然電就要省著用。"],["卓院長榮泰：一開始，可能1月份開始沒有遇到這個問題，但是總之，你讓一個狀況在不穩定的情況底下持續下去，大家心理上的不安、焦慮就會產生。"],["賴委員瑞隆：道路改善的經費104億，這個會不會受到影響？地方政府包括很多地方的重要道路的改善。"],["卓院長榮泰：包括省道改善計畫，還有很多護理人員的整備計畫，還有住宅家電效率的提升、公共公路系統、運輸系統的整個永續發展，都會是在相關補助給地方的676億當中。"],["賴委員瑞隆：特別是今年度幾個颱風都對臺灣產生相當大的影響，不管是豪雨或者是風，對於整個道路的影響，其實很多都需要，這個都有可能會產生影響，所以我們希望總預算要儘快審查，不要讓這些基礎建設受到影響，每拖延都有可能影響到它未來的發包、未來的完工時間，對於地方都會更加地辛苦，所以我們希望立法院應該儘速進行審議，讓總預算能夠進行。"],["卓院長榮泰：另外一個重點就是前瞻基礎建設第五期的703億，前四期的執行，地方都非常非常地需要，我們也希望趕快把它落實。"],["賴委員瑞隆：這些都很急，包括前瞻很急，甚至於包括台電的撥補也很急，台電如果不持續儘速撥補的話，它一樣有電價上的一些壓力，所以我們認為這些都應該讓立法院儘速審議，要刪或者要怎麼樣凍結都可討論，但是全部把它卡住了，連審都不審，我認為這是立法院失於自己的職責。","再來我請教，我看到消防的部分也影響到了，消防的部分有11億的安全預算，這幾年我看消防人員確實是出生入死，所以這個部分也應該給予更多的支持。"],["卓院長榮泰：對，我們對消防弟兄，不應該只說消防，而是對警消人員在執行勤務上面所付出的安危代價，我們一直非常非常地不捨，像最近內政部也提出對消防弟兄，因為最近幾個天災地變影響到他們執行工作的安全，動用第二預備金，我們也同意，這個部分絕對一日都不能延誤。"],["賴委員瑞隆：我覺得國家是一體的，應該要整體來支持，其實不止，包括教育、甚至包括醫療癌症的新藥、包括農民、包括國家安全，其實都等待這些預算，新增的部分沒有通過，新增是無法動用，即使是延續性的計畫，沒有確定下來的話，它在使用上面有很多的困擾。所以我們真的認為立法院應該儘速付委，把總預算付委審查，我認為這個才對得起國人對於立法院、對於整個政府的期待。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝，也請委員大力地支持。"],["賴委員瑞隆：除了這幾個之外，其實我看到還有很多沒有列在上面的也很重要，包括零到六歲國家養，我認為這個非常重要，少子化是很嚴重的問題，包括賴總統、包括卓院長的團隊很重視、支持，我非常地贊同，335億的經費，一樣，如果沒有儘快通過，其實在執行上面，明年度很多要執行的也會遇到問題，包括給這些新生兒的父母更多的支持，力道絕對會受到影響，我們認為這個都應該儘速來通過。"],["卓院長榮泰：是，零到六歲國家一起養，包括前瞻、包括非營業特種基金，加起來一共有1,177億，每個家庭都在等待跟過去一樣政策的延續，或是新增的項目，這個我們希望能夠……"],["賴委員瑞隆：下一代是我們很重要的競爭力，如果我們不斷的少子化問題不能夠去做有效的解決，這是一個國家要面對的問題，我認為都不應該讓這些事情去卡住這個國家該做的事情，這件事情我沒有看到任何人反對，幾乎朝野的立委都支持，但是總預算卡住了，它就是無法執行。"],["卓院長榮泰：就是因為看到這樣，我才覺得我們應該深有信心，抱持樂觀。"],["賴委員瑞隆：包括地方治水，這次颱風完了，很多地方治水也很急，特別是今年我們又新發現有些問題要去強化，地方治水也有159億。"],["卓院長榮泰：新增的部分。"],["賴委員瑞隆：新增的部分就增加159億，如果新增的沒有通過的話，它根本連動用都不能動用，這些全部都是國家應該要儘速來推動，所以我真的也認為、也期盼下午付委的部分要儘速來推動。再次問院長，對於下午的總預算付委有沒有信心？"],["卓院長榮泰：我對立法院很有信心。"],["賴委員瑞隆：很有信心！我們看到了各地方政府，包括新竹縣長楊文科──國民黨的一個縣長，也期盼立委，他也呼籲他的兩個立委趕快審查，我相信這是所有地方縣市政府共同期盼的，作為父母官，沒有不會想著趕快讓中央經費下來，趕快做事的，每個父母官絕對是這樣，不然他不會當選，所以我們也期盼下午的審查付委能夠儘快完成，也期待。","再來我想請教一下，昨天財劃法的部分吵得沸沸揚揚，院長，我看到那個財劃法裡面其實有一點，剛剛看到前一個委員在關心，今天空污最嚴重的地區，院長，你認為在哪邊？北、中、南空污最嚴重的地區在哪邊？"],["卓院長榮泰：北、中、南空污最嚴重的地區？"],["賴委員瑞隆：最嚴重的地區。"],["卓院長榮泰：今天喔？"],["賴委員瑞隆：今天！其實我告訴你好了，這幾天都是南部，南部為什麼空汙最嚴重？昨天南部是橘警，北部是綠的，今天黃色的，臺中綠色，臺北綠色，空氣良好，所以南部，高雄、屏東、臺南都承受了重工業城市很多的一些壓力，那我要講的是，我都認為財劃法應該要多去照顧這些為國家付出跟犧牲這麼多的縣市，台電，電力啦！高雄的電力是40%往中、往北送，剛剛還在談要不要增加電廠，高雄還在增加新的燃煤電廠，即使高雄已經增加40%的電往中、往北送，高雄還是在增加電廠，因為考慮到國家整體利益，當然也考慮未來高雄產業發展需要，這個才是一個大格局在思考國家的思維，如果每個人只想自己的話，好的我都要，經濟發展我要、招商我要，便利、建設我要，但是發電我不要，發電你發給我，這樣國家不會進步，城市也不會進步。我要講的是，昨天我看到財劃法的版本，國民黨的版本，3%直接給臺北市，說因為臺北市是首都，院長，這樣公平嗎？您的看法呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：長年以來就是在這種計算分配底下，對財政比較好的縣市，尤其是直轄市一直都有比較好的分配，對於這些財政困難的地方……"],["賴委員瑞隆：院長，如果國民黨版本直接再加3%，優先分配3%，全臺灣只有首都有，臺北市3%，院長您認為這樣有道理嗎？同意嗎？您支持嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我雖然在臺北市出生，照道理講臺北市的建設我要重視，但是我要公開來說，我在立法院幾年當中，我沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢，我認為臺北市是財政是很好的，它應該均衡……"],["賴委員瑞隆：臺北市相對於其他縣市已經是天之驕子了，集國家整體的資源，還硬要要求3%的財政分配比率要給臺北市，我認為這完全是不公平，也是不合理的。"],["卓院長榮泰：所以我們現在會重視把臺灣整個均衡……"],["賴委員瑞隆：我跟您舉個例子就好，台電的電廠，高雄興達、南部火力發電廠、大林電廠，兩個在我選區內，總公司設置在臺北，臺北佔盡優勢，工廠在高雄、汙染在高雄，稅收都在臺北，光佔這麼多優勢，都還沒有算這筆帳了，現在國會多數的國民黨還要求把財劃法3%交給臺北市，院長，這樣有道理嗎？你同意嗎？你支持嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：如果從整體均衡臺灣的角度來看，確實是應該要檢討，但這個制度長久以來存在，過去的幾年以及現在，我們是希望用其他方式，用統籌分配稅款或其他的方式能夠把需要的地方拉高，讓臺灣各個縣市能夠比較均衡……"],["賴委員瑞隆：我希望在院長的任內，應該全力去均衡全臺的發展，不要過度集中在臺北，絕對不是好事，包括人口過度集中造成的各項問題，包括房價的高漲、交通塞車，絕對不是好事，如果能讓全臺均衡發展，不要讓人一定要到臺北才有好的機會，我認為這才是一個健全的臺灣跟一個成熟的臺灣。"],["卓院長榮泰：除了一般的補助之外，其實我最想做的，是把那些財政能力差的縣市，如何把它補救回來，讓它能夠有更好的競爭力，這才是該做的事。"],["賴委員瑞隆：所以我也認為有很多調配的工作其實是要由中央來做，你把錢全部丟到地方去，那很多是需要大筆的資源，甚至統合性的工作、跨縣市的工作，那誰來做？所以我覺得這個絕對不是一個好方式。就像以前縣市，在沒有直轄市以前的很多鄉鎮，每個鄉鎮各做各的，不整合，後來反倒是中央整體來做之後，譬如直轄市來做之後，反而能達到更好的效果，我也希望財政收支劃分法朝野要有耐性做個好的處理。每個黨都有可能成為執政黨，每個黨也都有可能成為國會的多數黨，如果一直這樣搞的話，國家永無寧日，我認為對國家長遠發展絕對是壞事，院長，同意這樣的看法嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：未來我們區域性的治理，譬如桃、竹、苗、中、彰、投、雲、嘉南、高屏、花東、北北基等等，這個根本更不可能是單一縣市可以自己單獨完成的……"],["賴委員瑞隆：我也希望院長可以持續地重視，特別是南臺灣的部分核心，我也希望能持續重視，不要讓南部優秀子弟、人才往北才是好的機會，我希望有一天這樣的問題能夠得到更大的緩解。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["賴委員瑞隆：再來最後一點時間，8年前的時候，林全院長到了大林蒲去，為了過去的遷村，就是對空氣汙染，代表政府來跟所有的鄉親們道歉，同時也承諾來進行遷村，來改善相關事宜，院長可不可以邀請你到大林蒲來跟鄉親們聊聊，聽聽鄉親們的心聲？"],["卓院長榮泰：好的，委員上次也跟我提過，我相信下禮拜之後我應該有比較充裕的時間，可以有更多時間到各地去走走看看，瞭解問題、解決問題。"],["賴委員瑞隆：我認為院長的身段相當柔軟，也相當有智慧，我也希望你到地方去之後，聽聽大家的聲音，也讓大林蒲的人知道院長包括現在的團隊非常重視這樣的問題，現在不管是遷村的進度，不管是從環評到一些相關的措施，甚至於社宅的部分都卡住了，我希望院長來重視、來處理好嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：好，我們會請陳金德政委整理好資料以後，我們再去跟……"],["賴委員瑞隆：安排個時間下來看看。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝。"],["賴委員瑞隆：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝賴瑞隆委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長、部會首長的備詢。","報告院會，現在在議場2樓旁聽的是公民監督國會聯盟、美國國際民主協會、英國西敏寺民主基金會、澳洲、阿根廷、泰國、印尼等各地的學者專家，我們在此熱烈歡迎，Welcome,ladies and gentlemen.","再接下來請登記24號賴士葆委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":226,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-7","speakers":["韓國瑜","張智倫","麥玉珍","鍾佳濱","羅智強","王定宇","牛煦庭","劉建國","羅廷瑋","賴瑞隆","賴士葆","邱志偉","徐欣瑩","郭國文","邱鎮軍","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","謝衣鳯","郭昱晴","高金素梅","賴惠員","楊瓊瓔","林楚茵","王美惠"],"page_start":125,"meetingDate":["2024-11-05"],"gazette_id":"1138801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138801_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第7次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「114年\n度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─\n詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1138801_00004"}}}