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00:02:35,383\n國度署現在正在看這個事情,部長應該跟國度署這邊。我跟邱委員報告一下,那個苗栗縣政府已經在11月1號,也就是前兩天呢,重新提送,就是原來是污水量的計算有問題,因為我們是重新再做一個南莊的污水下水道。對啦,你們計算的方式是,它的人口數嘛。對。那其實它遊客是非常多的啦。\n\n8\n00:02:36,263 --> 00:03:01,470\n我希望把這點也考量進去我們已經送到國土署我們在國土署審查完以後我們會按照優先順序跟財務的可行性就來提供這方面的經費上面的需求謝謝部長謝謝院長我再請教院長美國總統大選現在已經倒數計時我們上次台灣押寶好像押錯了這一次我們比較謹慎一點\n\n9\n00:03:03,238 --> 00:03:07,562\n我請問一下,我們院長有沒有做好兩方面不管誰當選,我們台灣應該因應的措施?\n\n10\n00:03:12,136 --> 00:03:34,008\n謝謝委員這個提醒我們一直都有在注意雖然我們認為臺美關係長期的發展應該是健康永續的發展但是兩黨或是兩位候選人在選舉之中所提出的不同的講法我們還是密切的注意我們相信未來在經過這個民選總統產生之後政權交接之後還是會進行\n\n11\n00:03:35,435 --> 00:03:40,876\n你個人有沒有比較希望誰當選?我們自己的選舉都不需要別人來對我們評斷,我們也不應該在這裡,但是我相信這是一個民主選擇的選舉。\n\n12\n00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:17,348\n我記得川普有講過一句話我們台灣是晶片小偷針對這小偷說我們院長好像在我們議場這邊有講過就是說不同意我想請問院長我們有沒有向美方提出抗議或者是澄清\n\n13\n00:04:18,237 --> 00:04:18,637\n那我們請部長您說明一下\n\n14\n00:04:34,924 --> 00:05:00,730\n是跟委員報告不過有關於這個晶片我想台美是互補的合作的關係那個各種專家還有媒體都已經說明事實上我們台灣是製造方面但是事實上在設計還有整個晶片的產業是美國還是產值是最大的所以他們的專家還有媒體也都出來說明\n\n15\n00:05:02,793 --> 00:05:05,759\n如果川普當選,我們台灣有沒有準備好要繳保護費?\n\n16\n00:05:07,361 --> 00:05:31,450\n最好的保護費有沒有準備要交我們本來就是自我防衛我們本來就是應該要提升我們自我防衛這個就是一個趨勢所以過去8年來的國防預算也幾乎不一樣未來也會持續這個不太一樣啦所以我講的保護費是無條件的就是請他來保護我們買武器歸買武器提升我們的武力裝備那是一件事\n\n17\n00:05:32,438 --> 00:05:54,972\n那我覺得我們是有準備,如果川普當選,我們是已經準備好要要付美國的保護費嗎?保護費這是一種說法,但我想美國是基於台灣關係法六項保證,他是要依法來確保就是美台關係,那也確保這個台海的和平跟穩定。我覺得不管誰當總統,這個還是要\n\n18\n00:05:57,774 --> 00:05:58,215\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n19\n00:06:13,532 --> 00:06:39,186\n當然這是分析師講的也還沒發生我希望政府應該現在就要你妥應應的對策然後選後呢好積極的向美國提出我們都有密切的注意而且妥善的因應的方案不過我也跟委員澄清一下沒有什麼上次選舉說押寶說我們其實在這個大家都知道啦那個是誤傳我也利用這個機會澄清一下我再請教院長\n\n20\n00:06:40,206 --> 00:07:08,953\n那我今年預估稅率將超徵2000億那連續四年大幅的超徵另外稅數方面明年中央政府總預算比去年成長約兩成結果客家委員會的預算不增反減那今年已經比去年少了10%明年預算還是短少了0.7那還要因應物價通膨及公職人員的調薪實際減幅更大感覺我們政府對我們客家鄉親不是很重視\n\n21\n00:07:11,526 --> 00:07:29,334\n政府對所有族群、所有人民在福利制度照顧上面,以及整個...那為什麼會減少?你部長減少的原因是什麼?金額是增加的啊。金額沒有增加。這個金額是有一點增加吧。113年度啊。他調回去也比去年少啊。也比去年少啊。\n\n22\n00:07:32,662 --> 00:07:39,526\n主席,主委說明一下。主委,您說說看。有,有,有。我企圖這個合格表現的說法,就要從嚴重說。第一,當然一味難,但是我企圖這個合格表現的立法委員會的創傷,我一聽到行政院就爭氣了。我希望說,這個合格表現,就叫做做過這個合格表現。\n\n23\n00:07:53,195 --> 00:08:01,906\n報告委員,明年我們預算有比今年度及11年嚴重,行政院有部分年度及11年,也要增加的部分。\n\n24\n00:08:09,716 --> 00:08:23,587\n不要有大小言,之前主委給的經費比較多一點,不要說我們股主委來了,不能給預算比較少,這樣去當派做事情嗎?好不好?有想法,跟委員報告有想法,114年度應該的前瞻預算有夠多,多經驗的預算就有夠大一點,所以明年有再變過來,變實。\n\n25\n00:08:34,915 --> 00:08:58,611\n好不好院長你持續關注這個問題好不好在以後在編列預算的時候能夠多照顧我們客家鄉親一點主委剛剛說之前是一個前瞻預算那我們以後會想用均衡台灣的方式我現在心中最想說的一件事就台灣還有幾個縣是財政能力不好的我們如何讓他能夠強化財政力提高他的競爭力這個才是政府該做的事\n\n26\n00:08:58,931 --> 00:09:24,651\n所以苗栗你要特別照顧阿好不好因為苗栗是非常缺錢的好謝謝我們主委那我在想齁在講齁總預算我們有三個爭議的議題啦齁我實話說我在報告裡找不到答案除了禁法補償齁您上週在答詢說有條件的狀況下可以增加預算或用第二預備金那健保點值主決議是要0.95嘛齁那你們說把總額提高了\n\n27\n00:09:28,716 --> 00:09:30,299\n公糧收購調漲5元,農業部卻說要一級二轉3加3我看來是拒絕編列的意思\n\n28\n00:09:38,919 --> 00:10:07,057\n不是,我們在健保點值方面我們認為現在整個加起來增加了712億那我們努力的讓他健保點值合理化的方向去前進這個是始終不變的目標那麼農業部我也期待他在一級二轉三加三這個政策之外在明年度我期待農業部提出一個新措施新作為能夠更有效直接的讓農民感受到這個我會要求農業部\n\n29\n00:10:07,777 --> 00:10:08,337\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n30\n00:10:28,131 --> 00:10:28,431\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．邱鎮軍\n\n31\n00:10:48,879 --> 00:11:14,876\n講話的餘地才能要求他們把更好的品質的這個公糧能夠繳到我們這個農糧我們有兩種方式一個是公糧它有特定的對象那它維持現在26塊另外我們也鼓勵其他的70%往民糧這個品牌的稻米品種去品牌去走讓它能夠優質化那這兩個要同時併戰但是明年我是希望我們有一套新的作為啦更清楚的跟農民做對話實質幫助農民\n\n32\n00:11:18,998 --> 00:11:43,364\n院長您的背後是賴清德總統我們立法院背後是人民你們沒有編列依法編列預算而且最近聽到的媒體地方也好還情緒勒索我們地方的首長但你不要忘了這些提案的這些我們國民黨提案的這些案子民進黨都有份他不是說以前沒有提過所以\n\n33\n00:11:44,224 --> 00:11:55,700\n民進黨可以打理民進黨但是我們不能背叛人民所以我希望我們這個院長應該很清楚我們法律案跟預算案的差別\n\n34\n00:11:56,909 --> 00:12:14,688\n那行政院必須要通過依照通過的法律編列預算你也很清楚憲法第70條講的是你們提出的預算案立法院不能要求增加這是沒有錯但是這是我們立法院通過的一些法案我希望行政院能夠遵守好不好所以預算法71條說\n\n35\n00:12:17,042 --> 00:12:37,973\n立法院對的法律案在增加稅數的時候要徵詢行政院也要指出預算彌補資金之來源那這個我們希望以後都踐行這樣的程序互相尊重憲法的權利我希望你講過的就是嚴守紀律惡例不可循不可開不可開所以我希望你們也不要在我們這個部分來掀開惡例好不好\n\n36\n00:12:43,916 --> 00:13:12,994\n我們互相尊重好的例子來建立起來就讓大家往這個方向這個原則跟法律的規定走那接下來我再請問一下日前我們的總統賴清德主持賴清德總統主持全社會防衛任性委員會的首場會議要擴充40萬可持名利那內政部也證實未來大規模震災時要將黑熊學院那邊\n\n37\n00:13:14,500 --> 00:13:23,885\n這是有沒有這一回事?全社會防衛任性需要省個社會力的參與。那為什麼是黑熊學院?你們是要給這個黑熊學院\n\n38\n00:13:31,681 --> 00:13:54,394\n有公務預算用這個名義給他們嗎?報告委員,我想這個都是謠言。到目前為止我們的可視名利的這個不管是預算也好,或者是教育訓練的規模,都是由我們的警校、疫警、疫消以及相關的替代役的這個訓練課程。所以黑熊學院有嗎?觀點所說的都是一種謠言。因為沒有了解這些民間團體由他們自己推翻的款。現在沒有,以後會不會有?\n\n39\n00:13:55,604 --> 00:14:19,126\n目前也沒有,這個是屬於志願工作的組織,那為了我們有相當多的工作。對,我要講的就是這樣子,很多民間團體他其實都是義務職。我也不希望說我們政府利用這個民意去把公務預算編到這個地方來。完全沒有?因為有需要公務預算的這個民間團體太多了,到時候你會補不完。\n\n40\n00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:48,052\n像我們的救難協會等等,他們每次平時在救災救難都是跑第一線的,他們也沒有公務預算,只有一些裝備。這些我們都非常感謝,我們希望他們用志工的精神來協助有關救災的工作。好,請部長回去。那我接下來請一下,請問一下我們央行的楊總裁。那房價越打越高,共同盤。中央銀行總裁被選,中央總裁到了嗎?沒有。\n\n41\n00:14:50,723 --> 00:15:11,209\n中央銀行總裁有參加嗎?時間暫停。您是要問中央銀行總裁嗎?不然就問我好了,問院長好了。我請問院長,房價越打越高,帶動通膨,那免水深火熱。我請問,央行打草房已經打了4年了,為什麼沒有效果?\n\n42\n00:15:12,236 --> 00:15:29,952\n最近央房的這幾批措施出來之後第7波措施出來之後我想社會有感受到它有實質的效應那我們認為在觀察一段時間那現在已經就這些貸款的額度跟乘數比數都有在逐漸下降的趨勢我們可以請\n\n43\n00:15:31,013 --> 00:15:33,375\n把詳細的資料再提供給委員做參考\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n17892\t18553\t請卓院長備詢\n33393\t55592\t邱委員好主委員長好首先我在這邊先感謝院長在3個月25號特別撥控到苗栗視察那非常感謝我們院長對於苗栗的這個關心那麼在這邊我有一個問題想請教我們的院長根據2022年到訪苗栗南莊的人次大概是8萬9千多人\n57253\t74114\t那到今年2024年1月到10月已經超過32萬人次來過南莊可見南莊的人文景觀山水非常的吸引人那觀光持續在發展當中其中也帶動餐飲業跟我們的旅宿業\n75074\t96182\t現在南莊面臨一個問題就是污水的部分沒有辦法處理我記得當天院長到苗栗的時候我們現場有跟我們的院長陳情其實這個部分這個南莊污水下水道這個建制在110年其實在109年就已經同意了那110年1月已經送案審查到現在那一直\n97022\t97583\t請問院長還有我們內政部可以幫忙嗎?\n118375\t133677\t報告委員我的了解是原規劃污水處理廠的用地有一些爭議那現在已經重新的有修正計畫了我講最近幾天好像他有送到內政部裡面來所以院長是同意協助的嘛\n134398\t155383\t國度署現在正在看這個事情,部長應該跟國度署這邊。我跟邱委員報告一下,那個苗栗縣政府已經在11月1號,也就是前兩天呢,重新提送,就是原來是污水量的計算有問題,因為我們是重新再做一個南莊的污水下水道。對啦,你們計算的方式是,它的人口數嘛。對。那其實它遊客是非常多的啦。\n156263\t181470\t我希望把這點也考量進去我們已經送到國土署我們在國土署審查完以後我們會按照優先順序跟財務的可行性就來提供這方面的經費上面的需求謝謝部長 謝謝院長我再請教院長美國總統大選現在已經倒數計時我們上次台灣押寶好像押錯了這一次我們比較謹慎一點\n183238\t187562\t我請問一下,我們院長有沒有做好兩方面不管誰當選,我們台灣應該因應的措施?\n192136\t214008\t謝謝委員這個提醒我們一直都有在注意雖然我們認為臺美關係長期的發展應該是健康永續的發展但是兩黨或是兩位候選人在選舉之中所提出的不同的講法我們還是密切的注意我們相信未來在經過這個民選總統產生之後政權交接之後還是會進行\n215435\t220876\t你個人有沒有比較希望誰當選?我們自己的選舉都不需要別人來對我們評斷,我們也不應該在這裡,但是我相信這是一個民主選擇的選舉。\n239320\t257348\t我記得川普有講過一句話我們台灣是晶片小偷針對這小偷說我們院長好像在我們議場這邊有講過就是說不同意我想請問院長我們有沒有向美方提出抗議或者是澄清\n258237\t258637\t那我們請部長您說明一下\n274924\t300730\t是跟委員報告不過有關於這個晶片我想台美是互補的合作的關係那個各種專家還有媒體都已經說明事實上我們台灣是製造方面但是事實上在設計還有整個晶片的產業是美國還是產值是最大的所以他們的專家還有媒體也都出來說明\n302793\t305759\t如果川普當選,我們台灣有沒有準備好要繳保護費?\n307361\t331450\t最好的保護費有沒有準備要交我們本來就是自我防衛我們本來就是應該要提升我們自我防衛這個就是一個趨勢所以過去8年來的國防預算也幾乎不一樣未來也會持續這個不太一樣啦所以我講的保護費是無條件的就是請他來保護我們買武器歸買武器提升我們的武力裝備那是一件事\n332438\t354972\t那我覺得我們是有準備,如果川普當選,我們是已經準備好要要付美國的保護費嗎?保護費這是一種說法,但我想美國是基於台灣關係法六項保證,他是要依法來確保就是美台關係,那也確保這個台海的和平跟穩定。我覺得不管誰當總統,這個還是要\n357774\t358215\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n373532\t399186\t當然這是分析師講的也還沒發生我希望政府應該現在就要你妥應應的對策然後選後呢好積極的向美國提出我們都有密切的注意而且妥善的因應的方案不過我也跟委員澄清一下沒有什麼上次選舉說押寶說我們其實在這個大家都知道啦那個是誤傳我也利用這個機會澄清一下我再請教院長\n400206\t428953\t那我今年預估稅率將超徵2000億那連續四年大幅的超徵另外稅數方面明年中央政府總預算比去年成長約兩成結果客家委員會的預算不增反減那今年已經比去年少了10%明年預算還是短少了0.7那還要因應物價通膨及公職人員的調薪實際減幅更大感覺我們政府對我們客家鄉親不是很重視\n431526\t449334\t政府對所有族群、所有人民在福利制度照顧上面,以及整個...那為什麼會減少?你部長減少的原因是什麼?金額是增加的啊。金額沒有增加。這個金額是有一點增加吧。113年度啊。他調回去也比去年少啊。也比去年少啊。\n452662\t459526\t主席,主委說明一下。主委,您說說看。有,有,有。我企圖這個合格表現的說法,就要從嚴重說。第一,當然一味難,但是我企圖這個合格表現的立法委員會的創傷,我一聽到行政院就爭氣了。我希望說,這個合格表現,就叫做做過這個合格表現。\n473195\t481906\t報告委員,明年我們預算有比今年度及11年嚴重,行政院有部分年度及11年,也要增加的部分。\n489716\t503587\t不要有大小言,之前主委給的經費比較多一點,不要說我們股主委來了,不能給預算比較少,這樣去當派做事情嗎?好不好?有想法,跟委員報告有想法,114年度應該的前瞻預算有夠多,多經驗的預算就有夠大一點,所以明年有再變過來,變實。\n514915\t538611\t好不好 院長你持續關注這個問題好不好在以後在編列預算的時候能夠多照顧我們客家鄉親一點主委剛剛說之前是一個前瞻預算那我們以後會想用均衡台灣的方式我現在心中最想說的一件事就台灣還有幾個縣是財政能力不好的我們如何讓他能夠強化財政力提高他的競爭力這個才是政府該做的事\n538931\t564651\t所以苗栗你要特別照顧阿好不好因為苗栗是非常缺錢的好謝謝我們主委那我在想齁在講齁總預算我們有三個爭議的議題啦齁我實話說我在報告裡找不到答案除了禁法補償齁您上週在答詢說有條件的狀況下可以增加預算或用第二預備金那健保點值主決議是要0.95嘛齁那你們說把總額提高了\n568716\t570299\t公糧收購調漲5元,農業部卻說要一級二轉3加3我看來是拒絕編列的意思\n578919\t607057\t不是,我們在健保點值方面我們認為現在整個加起來增加了712億那我們努力的讓他健保點值合理化的方向去前進這個是始終不變的目標那麼農業部我也期待他在一級二轉三加三這個政策之外在明年度我期待農業部提出一個新措施新作為能夠更有效直接的讓農民感受到這個我會要求農業部\n607777\t608337\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n628131\t628431\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．邱鎮軍\n648879\t674876\t講話的餘地才能要求他們把更好的品質的這個公糧能夠繳到我們這個農糧我們有兩種方式一個是公糧它有特定的對象那它維持現在26塊另外我們也鼓勵其他的70%往民糧這個品牌的稻米品種去品牌去走讓它能夠優質化那這兩個要同時併戰但是明年我是希望我們有一套新的作為啦更清楚的跟農民做對話實質幫助農民\n678998\t703364\t院長您的背後是賴清德總統我們立法院背後是人民你們沒有編列依法編列預算而且最近聽到的媒體地方也好還情緒勒索我們地方的首長但你不要忘了這些提案的這些我們國民黨提案的這些案子民進黨都有份他不是說以前沒有提過所以\n704224\t715700\t民進黨可以打理民進黨但是我們不能背叛人民所以我希望我們這個院長應該很清楚我們法律案跟預算案的差別\n716909\t734688\t那行政院必須要通過依照通過的法律編列預算你也很清楚憲法第70條講的是你們提出的預算案立法院不能要求增加這是沒有錯但是這是我們立法院通過的一些法案我希望行政院能夠遵守好不好所以預算法71條說\n737042\t757973\t立法院對的法律案在增加稅數的時候要徵詢行政院也要指出預算彌補資金之來源那這個我們希望以後都踐行這樣的程序互相尊重憲法的權利我希望你講過的就是嚴守紀律惡例不可循不可開不可開所以我希望你們也不要在我們這個部分來掀開惡例好不好\n763916\t792994\t我們互相尊重好的例子來建立起來就讓大家往這個方向這個原則跟法律的規定走那接下來我再請問一下日前我們的總統賴清德主持賴清德總統主持全社會防衛任性委員會的首場會議要擴充40萬可持名利那內政部也證實未來大規模震災時要將黑熊學院那邊\n794500\t803885\t這是有沒有這一回事?全社會防衛任性需要省個社會力的參與。那為什麼是黑熊學院?你們是要給這個黑熊學院\n811681\t834394\t有公務預算用這個名義給他們嗎?報告委員,我想這個都是謠言。到目前為止我們的可視名利的這個不管是預算也好,或者是教育訓練的規模,都是由我們的警校、疫警、疫消以及相關的替代役的這個訓練課程。所以黑熊學院有嗎?觀點所說的都是一種謠言。因為沒有了解這些民間團體由他們自己推翻的款。現在沒有,以後會不會有?\n835604\t859126\t目前也沒有,這個是屬於志願工作的組織,那為了我們有相當多的工作。對,我要講的就是這樣子,很多民間團體他其實都是義務職。我也不希望說我們政府利用這個民意去把公務預算編到這個地方來。完全沒有?因為有需要公務預算的這個民間團體太多了,到時候你會補不完。\n860200\t888052\t像我們的救難協會等等,他們每次平時在救災救難都是跑第一線的,他們也沒有公務預算,只有一些裝備。這些我們都非常感謝,我們希望他們用志工的精神來協助有關救災的工作。好,請部長回去。那我接下來請一下,請問一下我們央行的楊總裁。那房價越打越高,共同盤。中央銀行總裁被選,中央總裁到了嗎?沒有。\n890723\t911209\t中央銀行總裁有參加嗎?時間暫停。您是要問中央銀行總裁嗎?不然就問我好了,問院長好了。我請問院長,房價越打越高,帶動通膨,那免水深火熱。我請問,央行打草房已經打了4年了,為什麼沒有效果?\n912236\t929952\t最近央房的這幾批措施出來之後第7波措施出來之後我想社會有感受到它有實質的效應那我們認為在觀察一段時間那現在已經就這些貸款的額度跟乘數比數都有在逐漸下降的趨勢我們可以請\n931013\t933375\t把詳細的資料再提供給委員做參考\n","txt":"請卓院長備詢\n邱委員好主委員長好首先我在這邊先感謝院長在3個月25號特別撥控到苗栗視察那非常感謝我們院長對於苗栗的這個關心那麼在這邊我有一個問題想請教我們的院長根據2022年到訪苗栗南莊的人次大概是8萬9千多人\n那到今年2024年1月到10月已經超過32萬人次來過南莊可見南莊的人文景觀山水非常的吸引人那觀光持續在發展當中其中也帶動餐飲業跟我們的旅宿業\n現在南莊面臨一個問題就是污水的部分沒有辦法處理我記得當天院長到苗栗的時候我們現場有跟我們的院長陳情其實這個部分這個南莊污水下水道這個建制在110年其實在109年就已經同意了那110年1月已經送案審查到現在那一直\n請問院長還有我們內政部可以幫忙嗎?\n報告委員我的了解是原規劃污水處理廠的用地有一些爭議那現在已經重新的有修正計畫了我講最近幾天好像他有送到內政部裡面來所以院長是同意協助的嘛\n國度署現在正在看這個事情,部長應該跟國度署這邊。我跟邱委員報告一下,那個苗栗縣政府已經在11月1號,也就是前兩天呢,重新提送,就是原來是污水量的計算有問題,因為我們是重新再做一個南莊的污水下水道。對啦,你們計算的方式是,它的人口數嘛。對。那其實它遊客是非常多的啦。\n我希望把這點也考量進去我們已經送到國土署我們在國土署審查完以後我們會按照優先順序跟財務的可行性就來提供這方面的經費上面的需求謝謝部長 謝謝院長我再請教院長美國總統大選現在已經倒數計時我們上次台灣押寶好像押錯了這一次我們比較謹慎一點\n我請問一下,我們院長有沒有做好兩方面不管誰當選,我們台灣應該因應的措施?\n謝謝委員這個提醒我們一直都有在注意雖然我們認為臺美關係長期的發展應該是健康永續的發展但是兩黨或是兩位候選人在選舉之中所提出的不同的講法我們還是密切的注意我們相信未來在經過這個民選總統產生之後政權交接之後還是會進行\n你個人有沒有比較希望誰當選?我們自己的選舉都不需要別人來對我們評斷,我們也不應該在這裡,但是我相信這是一個民主選擇的選舉。\n我記得川普有講過一句話我們台灣是晶片小偷針對這小偷說我們院長好像在我們議場這邊有講過就是說不同意我想請問院長我們有沒有向美方提出抗議或者是澄清\n那我們請部長您說明一下\n是跟委員報告不過有關於這個晶片我想台美是互補的合作的關係那個各種專家還有媒體都已經說明事實上我們台灣是製造方面但是事實上在設計還有整個晶片的產業是美國還是產值是最大的所以他們的專家還有媒體也都出來說明\n如果川普當選,我們台灣有沒有準備好要繳保護費?\n最好的保護費有沒有準備要交我們本來就是自我防衛我們本來就是應該要提升我們自我防衛這個就是一個趨勢所以過去8年來的國防預算也幾乎不一樣未來也會持續這個不太一樣啦所以我講的保護費是無條件的就是請他來保護我們買武器歸買武器提升我們的武力裝備那是一件事\n那我覺得我們是有準備,如果川普當選,我們是已經準備好要要付美國的保護費嗎?保護費這是一種說法,但我想美國是基於台灣關係法六項保證,他是要依法來確保就是美台關係,那也確保這個台海的和平跟穩定。我覺得不管誰當總統,這個還是要\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n當然這是分析師講的也還沒發生我希望政府應該現在就要你妥應應的對策然後選後呢好積極的向美國提出我們都有密切的注意而且妥善的因應的方案不過我也跟委員澄清一下沒有什麼上次選舉說押寶說我們其實在這個大家都知道啦那個是誤傳我也利用這個機會澄清一下我再請教院長\n那我今年預估稅率將超徵2000億那連續四年大幅的超徵另外稅數方面明年中央政府總預算比去年成長約兩成結果客家委員會的預算不增反減那今年已經比去年少了10%明年預算還是短少了0.7那還要因應物價通膨及公職人員的調薪實際減幅更大感覺我們政府對我們客家鄉親不是很重視\n政府對所有族群、所有人民在福利制度照顧上面,以及整個...那為什麼會減少?你部長減少的原因是什麼?金額是增加的啊。金額沒有增加。這個金額是有一點增加吧。113年度啊。他調回去也比去年少啊。也比去年少啊。\n主席,主委說明一下。主委,您說說看。有,有,有。我企圖這個合格表現的說法,就要從嚴重說。第一,當然一味難,但是我企圖這個合格表現的立法委員會的創傷,我一聽到行政院就爭氣了。我希望說,這個合格表現,就叫做做過這個合格表現。\n報告委員,明年我們預算有比今年度及11年嚴重,行政院有部分年度及11年,也要增加的部分。\n不要有大小言,之前主委給的經費比較多一點,不要說我們股主委來了,不能給預算比較少,這樣去當派做事情嗎?好不好?有想法,跟委員報告有想法,114年度應該的前瞻預算有夠多,多經驗的預算就有夠大一點,所以明年有再變過來,變實。\n好不好 院長你持續關注這個問題好不好在以後在編列預算的時候能夠多照顧我們客家鄉親一點主委剛剛說之前是一個前瞻預算那我們以後會想用均衡台灣的方式我現在心中最想說的一件事就台灣還有幾個縣是財政能力不好的我們如何讓他能夠強化財政力提高他的競爭力這個才是政府該做的事\n所以苗栗你要特別照顧阿好不好因為苗栗是非常缺錢的好謝謝我們主委那我在想齁在講齁總預算我們有三個爭議的議題啦齁我實話說我在報告裡找不到答案除了禁法補償齁您上週在答詢說有條件的狀況下可以增加預算或用第二預備金那健保點值主決議是要0.95嘛齁那你們說把總額提高了\n公糧收購調漲5元,農業部卻說要一級二轉3加3我看來是拒絕編列的意思\n不是,我們在健保點值方面我們認為現在整個加起來增加了712億那我們努力的讓他健保點值合理化的方向去前進這個是始終不變的目標那麼農業部我也期待他在一級二轉三加三這個政策之外在明年度我期待農業部提出一個新措施新作為能夠更有效直接的讓農民感受到這個我會要求農業部\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．邱鎮軍\n講話的餘地才能要求他們把更好的品質的這個公糧能夠繳到我們這個農糧我們有兩種方式一個是公糧它有特定的對象那它維持現在26塊另外我們也鼓勵其他的70%往民糧這個品牌的稻米品種去品牌去走讓它能夠優質化那這兩個要同時併戰但是明年我是希望我們有一套新的作為啦更清楚的跟農民做對話實質幫助農民\n院長您的背後是賴清德總統我們立法院背後是人民你們沒有編列依法編列預算而且最近聽到的媒體地方也好還情緒勒索我們地方的首長但你不要忘了這些提案的這些我們國民黨提案的這些案子民進黨都有份他不是說以前沒有提過所以\n民進黨可以打理民進黨但是我們不能背叛人民所以我希望我們這個院長應該很清楚我們法律案跟預算案的差別\n那行政院必須要通過依照通過的法律編列預算你也很清楚憲法第70條講的是你們提出的預算案立法院不能要求增加這是沒有錯但是這是我們立法院通過的一些法案我希望行政院能夠遵守好不好所以預算法71條說\n立法院對的法律案在增加稅數的時候要徵詢行政院也要指出預算彌補資金之來源那這個我們希望以後都踐行這樣的程序互相尊重憲法的權利我希望你講過的就是嚴守紀律惡例不可循不可開不可開所以我希望你們也不要在我們這個部分來掀開惡例好不好\n我們互相尊重好的例子來建立起來就讓大家往這個方向這個原則跟法律的規定走那接下來我再請問一下日前我們的總統賴清德主持賴清德總統主持全社會防衛任性委員會的首場會議要擴充40萬可持名利那內政部也證實未來大規模震災時要將黑熊學院那邊\n這是有沒有這一回事?全社會防衛任性需要省個社會力的參與。那為什麼是黑熊學院?你們是要給這個黑熊學院\n有公務預算用這個名義給他們嗎?報告委員,我想這個都是謠言。到目前為止我們的可視名利的這個不管是預算也好,或者是教育訓練的規模,都是由我們的警校、疫警、疫消以及相關的替代役的這個訓練課程。所以黑熊學院有嗎?觀點所說的都是一種謠言。因為沒有了解這些民間團體由他們自己推翻的款。現在沒有,以後會不會有?\n目前也沒有,這個是屬於志願工作的組織,那為了我們有相當多的工作。對,我要講的就是這樣子,很多民間團體他其實都是義務職。我也不希望說我們政府利用這個民意去把公務預算編到這個地方來。完全沒有?因為有需要公務預算的這個民間團體太多了,到時候你會補不完。\n像我們的救難協會等等,他們每次平時在救災救難都是跑第一線的,他們也沒有公務預算,只有一些裝備。這些我們都非常感謝,我們希望他們用志工的精神來協助有關救災的工作。好,請部長回去。那我接下來請一下,請問一下我們央行的楊總裁。那房價越打越高,共同盤。中央銀行總裁被選,中央總裁到了嗎?沒有。\n中央銀行總裁有參加嗎?時間暫停。您是要問中央銀行總裁嗎?不然就問我好了,問院長好了。我請問院長,房價越打越高,帶動通膨,那免水深火熱。我請問,央行打草房已經打了4年了,為什麼沒有效果?\n最近央房的這幾批措施出來之後第7波措施出來之後我想社會有感受到它有實質的效應那我們認為在觀察一段時間那現在已經就這些貸款的額度跟乘數比數都有在逐漸下降的趨勢我們可以請\n把詳細的資料再提供給委員做參考\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:17.892 --> 00:18.553\n請卓院長備詢\n\n00:33.393 --> 00:55.592\n邱委員好主委員長好首先我在這邊先感謝院長在3個月25號特別撥控到苗栗視察那非常感謝我們院長對於苗栗的這個關心那麼在這邊我有一個問題想請教我們的院長根據2022年到訪苗栗南莊的人次大概是8萬9千多人\n\n00:57.253 --> 01:14.114\n那到今年2024年1月到10月已經超過32萬人次來過南莊可見南莊的人文景觀山水非常的吸引人那觀光持續在發展當中其中也帶動餐飲業跟我們的旅宿業\n\n01:15.074 --> 01:36.182\n現在南莊面臨一個問題就是污水的部分沒有辦法處理我記得當天院長到苗栗的時候我們現場有跟我們的院長陳情其實這個部分這個南莊污水下水道這個建制在110年其實在109年就已經同意了那110年1月已經送案審查到現在那一直\n\n01:37.022 --> 01:37.583\n請問院長還有我們內政部可以幫忙嗎?\n\n01:58.375 --> 02:13.677\n報告委員我的了解是原規劃污水處理廠的用地有一些爭議那現在已經重新的有修正計畫了我講最近幾天好像他有送到內政部裡面來所以院長是同意協助的嘛\n\n02:14.398 --> 02:35.383\n國度署現在正在看這個事情,部長應該跟國度署這邊。我跟邱委員報告一下,那個苗栗縣政府已經在11月1號,也就是前兩天呢,重新提送,就是原來是污水量的計算有問題,因為我們是重新再做一個南莊的污水下水道。對啦,你們計算的方式是,它的人口數嘛。對。那其實它遊客是非常多的啦。\n\n02:36.263 --> 03:01.470\n我希望把這點也考量進去我們已經送到國土署我們在國土署審查完以後我們會按照優先順序跟財務的可行性就來提供這方面的經費上面的需求謝謝部長謝謝院長我再請教院長美國總統大選現在已經倒數計時我們上次台灣押寶好像押錯了這一次我們比較謹慎一點\n\n03:03.238 --> 03:07.562\n我請問一下,我們院長有沒有做好兩方面不管誰當選,我們台灣應該因應的措施?\n\n03:12.136 --> 03:34.008\n謝謝委員這個提醒我們一直都有在注意雖然我們認為臺美關係長期的發展應該是健康永續的發展但是兩黨或是兩位候選人在選舉之中所提出的不同的講法我們還是密切的注意我們相信未來在經過這個民選總統產生之後政權交接之後還是會進行\n\n03:35.435 --> 03:40.876\n你個人有沒有比較希望誰當選?我們自己的選舉都不需要別人來對我們評斷,我們也不應該在這裡,但是我相信這是一個民主選擇的選舉。\n\n03:59.320 --> 04:17.348\n我記得川普有講過一句話我們台灣是晶片小偷針對這小偷說我們院長好像在我們議場這邊有講過就是說不同意我想請問院長我們有沒有向美方提出抗議或者是澄清\n\n04:18.237 --> 04:18.637\n那我們請部長您說明一下\n\n04:34.924 --> 05:00.730\n是跟委員報告不過有關於這個晶片我想台美是互補的合作的關係那個各種專家還有媒體都已經說明事實上我們台灣是製造方面但是事實上在設計還有整個晶片的產業是美國還是產值是最大的所以他們的專家還有媒體也都出來說明\n\n05:02.793 --> 05:05.759\n如果川普當選,我們台灣有沒有準備好要繳保護費?\n\n05:07.361 --> 05:31.450\n最好的保護費有沒有準備要交我們本來就是自我防衛我們本來就是應該要提升我們自我防衛這個就是一個趨勢所以過去8年來的國防預算也幾乎不一樣未來也會持續這個不太一樣啦所以我講的保護費是無條件的就是請他來保護我們買武器歸買武器提升我們的武力裝備那是一件事\n\n05:32.438 --> 05:54.972\n那我覺得我們是有準備,如果川普當選,我們是已經準備好要要付美國的保護費嗎?保護費這是一種說法,但我想美國是基於台灣關係法六項保證,他是要依法來確保就是美台關係,那也確保這個台海的和平跟穩定。我覺得不管誰當總統,這個還是要\n\n05:57.774 --> 05:58.215\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n06:13.532 --> 06:39.186\n當然這是分析師講的也還沒發生我希望政府應該現在就要你妥應應的對策然後選後呢好積極的向美國提出我們都有密切的注意而且妥善的因應的方案不過我也跟委員澄清一下沒有什麼上次選舉說押寶說我們其實在這個大家都知道啦那個是誤傳我也利用這個機會澄清一下我再請教院長\n\n06:40.206 --> 07:08.953\n那我今年預估稅率將超徵2000億那連續四年大幅的超徵另外稅數方面明年中央政府總預算比去年成長約兩成結果客家委員會的預算不增反減那今年已經比去年少了10%明年預算還是短少了0.7那還要因應物價通膨及公職人員的調薪實際減幅更大感覺我們政府對我們客家鄉親不是很重視\n\n07:11.526 --> 07:29.334\n政府對所有族群、所有人民在福利制度照顧上面,以及整個...那為什麼會減少?你部長減少的原因是什麼?金額是增加的啊。金額沒有增加。這個金額是有一點增加吧。113年度啊。他調回去也比去年少啊。也比去年少啊。\n\n07:32.662 --> 07:39.526\n主席,主委說明一下。主委,您說說看。有,有,有。我企圖這個合格表現的說法,就要從嚴重說。第一,當然一味難,但是我企圖這個合格表現的立法委員會的創傷,我一聽到行政院就爭氣了。我希望說,這個合格表現,就叫做做過這個合格表現。\n\n07:53.195 --> 08:01.906\n報告委員,明年我們預算有比今年度及11年嚴重,行政院有部分年度及11年,也要增加的部分。\n\n08:09.716 --> 08:23.587\n不要有大小言,之前主委給的經費比較多一點,不要說我們股主委來了,不能給預算比較少,這樣去當派做事情嗎?好不好?有想法,跟委員報告有想法,114年度應該的前瞻預算有夠多,多經驗的預算就有夠大一點,所以明年有再變過來,變實。\n\n08:34.915 --> 08:58.611\n好不好院長你持續關注這個問題好不好在以後在編列預算的時候能夠多照顧我們客家鄉親一點主委剛剛說之前是一個前瞻預算那我們以後會想用均衡台灣的方式我現在心中最想說的一件事就台灣還有幾個縣是財政能力不好的我們如何讓他能夠強化財政力提高他的競爭力這個才是政府該做的事\n\n08:58.931 --> 09:24.651\n所以苗栗你要特別照顧阿好不好因為苗栗是非常缺錢的好謝謝我們主委那我在想齁在講齁總預算我們有三個爭議的議題啦齁我實話說我在報告裡找不到答案除了禁法補償齁您上週在答詢說有條件的狀況下可以增加預算或用第二預備金那健保點值主決議是要0.95嘛齁那你們說把總額提高了\n\n09:28.716 --> 09:30.299\n公糧收購調漲5元,農業部卻說要一級二轉3加3我看來是拒絕編列的意思\n\n09:38.919 --> 10:07.057\n不是,我們在健保點值方面我們認為現在整個加起來增加了712億那我們努力的讓他健保點值合理化的方向去前進這個是始終不變的目標那麼農業部我也期待他在一級二轉三加三這個政策之外在明年度我期待農業部提出一個新措施新作為能夠更有效直接的讓農民感受到這個我會要求農業部\n\n10:07.777 --> 10:08.337\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n10:28.131 --> 10:28.431\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．邱鎮軍\n\n10:48.879 --> 11:14.876\n講話的餘地才能要求他們把更好的品質的這個公糧能夠繳到我們這個農糧我們有兩種方式一個是公糧它有特定的對象那它維持現在26塊另外我們也鼓勵其他的70%往民糧這個品牌的稻米品種去品牌去走讓它能夠優質化那這兩個要同時併戰但是明年我是希望我們有一套新的作為啦更清楚的跟農民做對話實質幫助農民\n\n11:18.998 --> 11:43.364\n院長您的背後是賴清德總統我們立法院背後是人民你們沒有編列依法編列預算而且最近聽到的媒體地方也好還情緒勒索我們地方的首長但你不要忘了這些提案的這些我們國民黨提案的這些案子民進黨都有份他不是說以前沒有提過所以\n\n11:44.224 --> 11:55.700\n民進黨可以打理民進黨但是我們不能背叛人民所以我希望我們這個院長應該很清楚我們法律案跟預算案的差別\n\n11:56.909 --> 12:14.688\n那行政院必須要通過依照通過的法律編列預算你也很清楚憲法第70條講的是你們提出的預算案立法院不能要求增加這是沒有錯但是這是我們立法院通過的一些法案我希望行政院能夠遵守好不好所以預算法71條說\n\n12:17.042 --> 12:37.973\n立法院對的法律案在增加稅數的時候要徵詢行政院也要指出預算彌補資金之來源那這個我們希望以後都踐行這樣的程序互相尊重憲法的權利我希望你講過的就是嚴守紀律惡例不可循不可開不可開所以我希望你們也不要在我們這個部分來掀開惡例好不好\n\n12:43.916 --> 13:12.994\n我們互相尊重好的例子來建立起來就讓大家往這個方向這個原則跟法律的規定走那接下來我再請問一下日前我們的總統賴清德主持賴清德總統主持全社會防衛任性委員會的首場會議要擴充40萬可持名利那內政部也證實未來大規模震災時要將黑熊學院那邊\n\n13:14.500 --> 13:23.885\n這是有沒有這一回事?全社會防衛任性需要省個社會力的參與。那為什麼是黑熊學院?你們是要給這個黑熊學院\n\n13:31.681 --> 13:54.394\n有公務預算用這個名義給他們嗎?報告委員,我想這個都是謠言。到目前為止我們的可視名利的這個不管是預算也好,或者是教育訓練的規模,都是由我們的警校、疫警、疫消以及相關的替代役的這個訓練課程。所以黑熊學院有嗎?觀點所說的都是一種謠言。因為沒有了解這些民間團體由他們自己推翻的款。現在沒有,以後會不會有?\n\n13:55.604 --> 14:19.126\n目前也沒有,這個是屬於志願工作的組織,那為了我們有相當多的工作。對,我要講的就是這樣子,很多民間團體他其實都是義務職。我也不希望說我們政府利用這個民意去把公務預算編到這個地方來。完全沒有?因為有需要公務預算的這個民間團體太多了,到時候你會補不完。\n\n14:20.200 --> 14:48.052\n像我們的救難協會等等,他們每次平時在救災救難都是跑第一線的,他們也沒有公務預算,只有一些裝備。這些我們都非常感謝,我們希望他們用志工的精神來協助有關救災的工作。好,請部長回去。那我接下來請一下,請問一下我們央行的楊總裁。那房價越打越高,共同盤。中央銀行總裁被選,中央總裁到了嗎?沒有。\n\n14:50.723 --> 15:11.209\n中央銀行總裁有參加嗎?時間暫停。您是要問中央銀行總裁嗎?不然就問我好了,問院長好了。我請問院長,房價越打越高,帶動通膨,那免水深火熱。我請問,央行打草房已經打了4年了,為什麼沒有效果?\n\n15:12.236 --> 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謝謝院長我再請教院長美國總統大選現在已經倒數計時我們上次台灣押寶好像押錯了這一次我們比較謹慎一點"},{"start":183.238,"end":187.562,"text":"我請問一下,我們院長有沒有做好兩方面不管誰當選,我們台灣應該因應的措施?"},{"start":192.136,"end":214.008,"text":"謝謝委員這個提醒我們一直都有在注意雖然我們認為臺美關係長期的發展應該是健康永續的發展但是兩黨或是兩位候選人在選舉之中所提出的不同的講法我們還是密切的注意我們相信未來在經過這個民選總統產生之後政權交接之後還是會進行"},{"start":215.435,"end":220.876,"text":"你個人有沒有比較希望誰當選?我們自己的選舉都不需要別人來對我們評斷,我們也不應該在這裡,但是我相信這是一個民主選擇的選舉。"},{"start":239.32,"end":257.348,"text":"我記得川普有講過一句話我們台灣是晶片小偷針對這小偷說我們院長好像在我們議場這邊有講過就是說不同意我想請問院長我們有沒有向美方提出抗議或者是澄清"},{"start":258.237,"end":258.637,"text":"那我們請部長您說明一下"},{"start":274.924,"end":300.73,"text":"是跟委員報告不過有關於這個晶片我想台美是互補的合作的關係那個各種專家還有媒體都已經說明事實上我們台灣是製造方面但是事實上在設計還有整個晶片的產業是美國還是產值是最大的所以他們的專家還有媒體也都出來說明"},{"start":302.793,"end":305.759,"text":"如果川普當選,我們台灣有沒有準備好要繳保護費?"},{"start":307.361,"end":331.45,"text":"最好的保護費有沒有準備要交我們本來就是自我防衛我們本來就是應該要提升我們自我防衛這個就是一個趨勢所以過去8年來的國防預算也幾乎不一樣未來也會持續這個不太一樣啦所以我講的保護費是無條件的就是請他來保護我們買武器歸買武器提升我們的武力裝備那是一件事"},{"start":332.438,"end":354.972,"text":"那我覺得我們是有準備,如果川普當選,我們是已經準備好要要付美國的保護費嗎?保護費這是一種說法,但我想美國是基於台灣關係法六項保證,他是要依法來確保就是美台關係,那也確保這個台海的和平跟穩定。我覺得不管誰當總統,這個還是要"},{"start":357.774,"end":358.215,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":373.532,"end":399.186,"text":"當然這是分析師講的也還沒發生我希望政府應該現在就要你妥應應的對策然後選後呢好積極的向美國提出我們都有密切的注意而且妥善的因應的方案不過我也跟委員澄清一下沒有什麼上次選舉說押寶說我們其實在這個大家都知道啦那個是誤傳我也利用這個機會澄清一下我再請教院長"},{"start":400.206,"end":428.953,"text":"那我今年預估稅率將超徵2000億那連續四年大幅的超徵另外稅數方面明年中央政府總預算比去年成長約兩成結果客家委員會的預算不增反減那今年已經比去年少了10%明年預算還是短少了0.7那還要因應物價通膨及公職人員的調薪實際減幅更大感覺我們政府對我們客家鄉親不是很重視"},{"start":431.526,"end":449.334,"text":"政府對所有族群、所有人民在福利制度照顧上面,以及整個...那為什麼會減少?你部長減少的原因是什麼?金額是增加的啊。金額沒有增加。這個金額是有一點增加吧。113年度啊。他調回去也比去年少啊。也比去年少啊。"},{"start":452.662,"end":459.526,"text":"主席,主委說明一下。主委,您說說看。有,有,有。我企圖這個合格表現的說法,就要從嚴重說。第一,當然一味難,但是我企圖這個合格表現的立法委員會的創傷,我一聽到行政院就爭氣了。我希望說,這個合格表現,就叫做做過這個合格表現。"},{"start":473.195,"end":481.906,"text":"報告委員,明年我們預算有比今年度及11年嚴重,行政院有部分年度及11年,也要增加的部分。"},{"start":489.716,"end":503.587,"text":"不要有大小言,之前主委給的經費比較多一點,不要說我們股主委來了,不能給預算比較少,這樣去當派做事情嗎?好不好?有想法,跟委員報告有想法,114年度應該的前瞻預算有夠多,多經驗的預算就有夠大一點,所以明年有再變過來,變實。"},{"start":514.915,"end":538.611,"text":"好不好 院長你持續關注這個問題好不好在以後在編列預算的時候能夠多照顧我們客家鄉親一點主委剛剛說之前是一個前瞻預算那我們以後會想用均衡台灣的方式我現在心中最想說的一件事就台灣還有幾個縣是財政能力不好的我們如何讓他能夠強化財政力提高他的競爭力這個才是政府該做的事"},{"start":538.931,"end":564.651,"text":"所以苗栗你要特別照顧阿好不好因為苗栗是非常缺錢的好謝謝我們主委那我在想齁在講齁總預算我們有三個爭議的議題啦齁我實話說我在報告裡找不到答案除了禁法補償齁您上週在答詢說有條件的狀況下可以增加預算或用第二預備金那健保點值主決議是要0.95嘛齁那你們說把總額提高了"},{"start":568.716,"end":570.299,"text":"公糧收購調漲5元,農業部卻說要一級二轉3加3我看來是拒絕編列的意思"},{"start":578.919,"end":607.057,"text":"不是,我們在健保點值方面我們認為現在整個加起來增加了712億那我們努力的讓他健保點值合理化的方向去前進這個是始終不變的目標那麼農業部我也期待他在一級二轉三加三這個政策之外在明年度我期待農業部提出一個新措施新作為能夠更有效直接的讓農民感受到這個我會要求農業部"},{"start":607.777,"end":608.337,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":628.131,"end":628.431,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．邱鎮軍"},{"start":648.879,"end":674.876,"text":"講話的餘地才能要求他們把更好的品質的這個公糧能夠繳到我們這個農糧我們有兩種方式一個是公糧它有特定的對象那它維持現在26塊另外我們也鼓勵其他的70%往民糧這個品牌的稻米品種去品牌去走讓它能夠優質化那這兩個要同時併戰但是明年我是希望我們有一套新的作為啦更清楚的跟農民做對話實質幫助農民"},{"start":678.998,"end":703.364,"text":"院長您的背後是賴清德總統我們立法院背後是人民你們沒有編列依法編列預算而且最近聽到的媒體地方也好還情緒勒索我們地方的首長但你不要忘了這些提案的這些我們國民黨提案的這些案子民進黨都有份他不是說以前沒有提過所以"},{"start":704.224,"end":715.7,"text":"民進黨可以打理民進黨但是我們不能背叛人民所以我希望我們這個院長應該很清楚我們法律案跟預算案的差別"},{"start":716.909,"end":734.688,"text":"那行政院必須要通過依照通過的法律編列預算你也很清楚憲法第70條講的是你們提出的預算案立法院不能要求增加這是沒有錯但是這是我們立法院通過的一些法案我希望行政院能夠遵守好不好所以預算法71條說"},{"start":737.042,"end":757.973,"text":"立法院對的法律案在增加稅數的時候要徵詢行政院也要指出預算彌補資金之來源那這個我們希望以後都踐行這樣的程序互相尊重憲法的權利我希望你講過的就是嚴守紀律惡例不可循不可開不可開所以我希望你們也不要在我們這個部分來掀開惡例好不好"},{"start":763.916,"end":792.994,"text":"我們互相尊重好的例子來建立起來就讓大家往這個方向這個原則跟法律的規定走那接下來我再請問一下日前我們的總統賴清德主持賴清德總統主持全社會防衛任性委員會的首場會議要擴充40萬可持名利那內政部也證實未來大規模震災時要將黑熊學院那邊"},{"start":794.5,"end":803.885,"text":"這是有沒有這一回事?全社會防衛任性需要省個社會力的參與。那為什麼是黑熊學院?你們是要給這個黑熊學院"},{"start":811.681,"end":834.394,"text":"有公務預算用這個名義給他們嗎?報告委員,我想這個都是謠言。到目前為止我們的可視名利的這個不管是預算也好,或者是教育訓練的規模,都是由我們的警校、疫警、疫消以及相關的替代役的這個訓練課程。所以黑熊學院有嗎?觀點所說的都是一種謠言。因為沒有了解這些民間團體由他們自己推翻的款。現在沒有,以後會不會有?"},{"start":835.604,"end":859.126,"text":"目前也沒有,這個是屬於志願工作的組織,那為了我們有相當多的工作。對,我要講的就是這樣子,很多民間團體他其實都是義務職。我也不希望說我們政府利用這個民意去把公務預算編到這個地方來。完全沒有?因為有需要公務預算的這個民間團體太多了,到時候你會補不完。"},{"start":860.2,"end":888.052,"text":"像我們的救難協會等等,他們每次平時在救災救難都是跑第一線的,他們也沒有公務預算,只有一些裝備。這些我們都非常感謝,我們希望他們用志工的精神來協助有關救災的工作。好,請部長回去。那我接下來請一下,請問一下我們央行的楊總裁。那房價越打越高,共同盤。中央銀行總裁被選,中央總裁到了嗎?沒有。"},{"start":890.723,"end":911.209,"text":"中央銀行總裁有參加嗎?時間暫停。您是要問中央銀行總裁嗎?不然就問我好了,問院長好了。我請問院長,房價越打越高,帶動通膨,那免水深火熱。我請問,央行打草房已經打了4年了,為什麼沒有效果?"},{"start":912.236,"end":929.952,"text":"最近央房的這幾批措施出來之後第7波措施出來之後我想社會有感受到它有實質的效應那我們認為在觀察一段時間那現在已經就這些貸款的額度跟乘數比數都有在逐漸下降的趨勢我們可以請"},{"start":931.013,"end":933.375,"text":"把詳細的資料再提供給委員做參考"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":1199,"blocks":[["邱委員鎮軍：（15時18分）謝謝院長，有請我們的卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：邱委員好。"],["邱委員鎮軍：卓院長好。首先我在這邊先感謝院長在上個月25號特別撥空到苗栗視察，非常感謝院長對於苗栗的關心。","在這邊我有一個問題想請教院長，2022年到訪苗栗南庄的人次大概是八萬九千多人，今年（2024年）1月到10月已經超過32萬人次來過南庄，可見南庄的人文景觀、山水非常的吸引人，觀光持續在發展當中，其中也帶動餐飲業跟旅宿業。但現在南庄面臨一個問題，就是污水的部分沒有辦法處理，我記得當天院長到苗栗的時候，我們縣長有跟院長陳情，其實南庄污水下水道的建置在110年……其實在109年就已經同意了，110年1月已經送案審查到現在，一直得不到前期規劃的經費。工程費本來是1.8億，現在已經提高到三億多了，我想在財劃法還沒有修正之前，苗栗確實沒有錢，請問院長還有內政部可以幫忙嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，我的了解是原規劃污水處理廠的用地有一些爭議，現在已經重新提送修正計畫了，最近幾天好像有送到內政部裡面來……"],["邱委員鎮軍：所以院長是同意協助了嘛？"],["卓院長榮泰：國土署現在正在看這件事情，部長應該更清楚……"],["劉部長世芳：我跟邱委員報告一下，苗栗縣政府已經在11月1號，也就是前兩天重新提送，原來是污水量的計算有問題，因為我們是重新再做一個南庄的污水下水道……"],["邱委員鎮軍：對啦！你們計算的方式是以它的人口數嘛？"],["劉部長世芳：對。"],["邱委員鎮軍：其實它的遊客是非常多的，所以我希望把這個也考量進去……"],["劉部長世芳：是，已經重新提送，我們已經送到國土署，我們在國土署審查完以後，會按照優先順序跟財務的可行性來提供這方面經費的需求。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好，謝謝部長、謝謝院長。我再請教院長，美國總統大選現在已經倒數計時，我們上次臺灣押寶好像押錯了，這一次我們比較謹慎一點，我請問一下，院長有沒有做好兩方面不管誰當選，我們臺灣應有的因應措施？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員的提醒，我們一直都有在注意，雖然我們認為臺美關係長期的發展應該是健康、永續的發展，但是兩黨或是兩位候選人在選舉之中所提出不同的講法，我們還是密切的注意，我們相信未來在經過民選總統產生、政權交接之後，還是會進行正規管道當中，我們雙方之間既有的一些交涉，我們會強化保障我們自己跟美國之間的權益。"],["邱委員鎮軍：院長，你個人有沒有比較希望誰當選？"],["卓院長榮泰：什麼？"],["邱委員鎮軍：你希望誰當選？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們自己的選舉都不需要別人來對我們評斷……"],["邱委員鎮軍：不能講，是嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們也不應該在這裡評斷別人，但是我相信這是一個民主的……"],["邱委員鎮軍：那我這樣講，其實不管是誰當選，我們不能期待美國永遠會挺臺灣，就是無條件的挺臺灣。我記得川普有講過一句話，他說我們臺灣是晶片小偷，針對這個小偷說，院長好像在議場這邊有講過，說不同意啦！我想請問院長，我們有沒有向美方提出抗議或者是澄清？"],["卓院長榮泰：我剛剛說過，在選舉之中，候選人說出的話，我們會密切注意，但是我們重要看的是在政權穩定之後，雙方面之間長期的發展跟交涉……"],["邱委員鎮軍：因為你如果不講的話，就是我方默認嘛……"],["卓院長榮泰：這個外交部應該有更好的掌握。"],["邱委員鎮軍：我們請部長說明一下。"],["林部長佳龍：跟委員報告，有關於這個晶片，我想臺美是互補的合作關係，各種專家還有媒體都已經說明，事實上我們臺灣是製造方面，但是事實上在設計還有整個晶片的產業，美國的產值還是最大的，所以他們的專家還有媒體也都出來說明，持續的溝通……"],["邱委員鎮軍：如果川普當選，我們臺灣有沒有準備好要繳保護費？"],["林部長佳龍：最好的……"],["邱委員鎮軍：保護費？有沒有準備要繳？"],["林部長佳龍：我們本來就是自我防衛……"],["邱委員鎮軍：本來就有在繳？"],["林部長佳龍：我們本來就應該要提升我們的自我防衛，這就是一個趨勢，所以過去八年來的國防預算也幾乎倍增，未來也會持續……"],["邱委員鎮軍：這個不太一樣啦！我講的保護費是無條件的請他來保護我們，買武器歸買武器，提升我們的武力裝備那是一件事，我們是不是有準備，如果川普當選，我們是已經準備好要付美國保護費嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：保護費這是一種說法，但我想美國是基於臺灣關係法6項保證，它是要依法來確保美臺關係，也確保臺海的和平跟穩定，我覺得不管誰當總統，這個還是要依法來行政，最重要是美國是跨黨派……"],["邱委員鎮軍：萬一是川普當選，還有分析師講到我們可能造成台積電還有臺股跟臺幣三殺的慘況，當然這是分析師講的，也還沒發生，我希望政府應該現在就要擬妥因應的對策，然後選後積極地向美國提出溝通、說明，好不好？"],["林部長佳龍：我們都有密切注意，而且有妥善的因應方案。不過我也跟委員澄清一下，沒有什麼上次選舉的押寶說，我們其實在……"],["邱委員鎮軍：大家都知道啦！好啦，部長，時間不多，謝謝部長。"],["林部長佳龍：那個是誤傳，我也利用這個機會澄清一下。"],["邱委員鎮軍：我再請教院長，今年預估歲入將超徵2,000億，連續4年大幅的超徵。另外，歲出方面，明年中央政府總預算比去年成長約兩成，結果客家委員會的預算不增反減，今年已經比去年少了10%，明年預算還是短少了0.7%，還要因應物價、通膨及公職人員的調薪，實際減幅更大，感覺政府對我們客家鄉親不是很重視。"],["卓院長榮泰：不會，政府對所有族群、所有人民在福利制度、照顧上面以及……"],["邱委員鎮軍：那為什麼會減少？部長，減少的原因是什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：金額是增加的。"],["邱委員鎮軍：金額沒有增加。"],["卓院長榮泰：這個金額是有一點增加吧？"],["邱委員鎮軍：113年度也比去年少。"],["卓院長榮泰：我請主委說明一下。"],["邱委員鎮軍：主委，你說說看，你要替我們客家鄉親來跟院長說，我知道你當然很為難，但是我站在客家立法委員的立場上，我一定要向行政院爭取，我希望客家委員會能夠多照顧我們的客家鄉親。"],["古主任委員秀妃：報告委員，明年我們的預算有比今年多加四億多，行政院有多給我們四億多，這是增加的部分，所以……"],["邱委員鎮軍：但是比起前年還是比較少，我不知道是不是你主委做得比較小，還是上一任主委比較大，所以院長，不要有大小眼……"],["卓院長榮泰：不會、不會。"],["邱委員鎮軍：之前主委給的經費比較多一點，不要我們古主委來了，你給他的預算就比較少，這樣他很難做事情，好不好？"],["古主任委員秀妃：有增加啦！跟委員報告，有增加，112年度應該是因為前瞻預算所以有比較多，到今年的預算就有比較低一點，所以明年有再編列過來。"],["邱委員鎮軍：院長，你持續關注這個問題，好不好？以後在編列預算的時候，能夠多照顧我們客家鄉親一點。"],["卓院長榮泰：主委剛剛說之前是因為前瞻預算，那我們以後會想這種均衡臺灣的方式，我現在心中最想做的一件事，就是臺灣還有幾個縣市是財政能力不好的，我們如何讓它能夠強化財政力、提高它的競爭力，這個才是政府該做的事。"],["邱委員鎮軍：所以苗栗你要特別照顧啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：我說的就是這件事。"],["邱委員鎮軍：因為苗栗是非常缺錢的，謝謝主委。","我再講，總預算我們有三個爭議的議題，我實話說，我在報告裡找不到答案，除了禁伐補償，您上週答詢時說，在有條件的狀況下，可以增加預算或用第二預備金；健保點值的主決議是要1點0.95元，你們說把總額提高了；但公糧收購調漲5元，農業部卻說要「1集、2轉、3加3」，我看來看去，所以是拒絕編列的意思喔？"],["卓院長榮泰：不是，在健保點值方面，我們認為現在整個加起來增加了712億，我們努力讓健保點值往合理化的方向前進，這個是始終不變的目標。而農業部，我也期待它在「1集、2轉、3加3」的政策之外，明年度提出一個新措施、新作為，能夠更有效、直接的讓農民感受到，這個我會要求農業部整合現在所有的機制，把它整合成一套比較完整的。"],["邱委員鎮軍：你的公糧才調5塊錢，我講真的，你可能要多去了解一下，農民現在繳上來的稻米其實是非常劣質的，為什麼？因為價格不好，搞到後面這些收購來的農糧就變成在飼料區賣，這樣你知道嗎？所以反而是一斤十幾塊就賣掉了……"],["卓院長榮泰：公糧有特定的對象。"],["邱委員鎮軍：所以我的意思是，你一定要給農民一個合理的徵收價錢，我們才有講話的餘地，才能要求他們把更好品質的公糧繳到農糧署這邊。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們有兩種方式，一個是公糧有特定的對象，它現在維持26塊；另外，我們也鼓勵其他70%的稻米往民糧品牌去走，讓它能夠優質化，這兩個要同時並在，但是明年我是希望我們有一套新的作為，能更清楚的跟農民做對話，實質幫助農民，保障他們的權益。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好啦，院長，您的背後是賴清德總統，我們立法院背後是人民，你們沒有依法編列預算，而且最近聽到的媒體也好，地方也好，還情緒勒索我們地方的首長，但你不要忘了，我們國民黨提案的這些案子，民進黨都有份，不是說以前沒有提過，民進黨可以打臉民進黨，但是我們不能背叛人民。","院長應該知道、也很清楚法律案跟預算案的差別，行政院必須要依照通過的法律編列預算，你也很清楚憲法第七十條講的是，你們提出的預算案，立法院不能要求增加，這沒有錯，但是我們立法院通過的這一些法案，我希望行政院能夠遵守，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：所以預算法第九十一條說，立法院的法律案在增加歲出的時候要徵詢行政院，也要指出預算彌補資金之來源，我們希望以後都踐行這樣的程序，互相尊重憲法上的權力，那就沒有問題了。"],["邱委員鎮軍：對啊，院長，你講過要嚴守紀律，惡例不可開，所以我希望你們也不要在我們談的這個部分，先開這個惡例，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們互相尊重，把好的例子建立起來，大家往這個方向、這個原則跟法律的規定走。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好，接下來我再請問一下，日前我們的賴清德總統主持全社會防衛韌性委員會的首場會議，要擴充40萬可恃民力，內政部也證實未來大規模震災時，要將黑熊學院納編，有沒有這一回事？"],["卓院長榮泰：全社會防衛韌性需要整個社會力的參與，有準備的團體……"],["邱委員鎮軍：那為什麼是黑熊學院？"],["卓院長榮泰：有準備的團體，未來都是可能合作的對象。"],["邱委員鎮軍：你們是變相要給黑熊學院有公務預算，用這個名義給他們嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：報告委員，我想這個都是謠言，到目前為止，我們的可恃民力，不管是預算也好，或者是教育訓練的規模，都是由我們的警消、義警、義消，以及相關替代役的這個訓練課程……"],["邱委員鎮軍：所以黑熊學院有嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：外面所說的都是謠言，因為就我們的了解……"],["邱委員鎮軍：所以是謠言就對了？沒有這件事？"],["劉部長世芳：這些民間團體是由他們自己對外募款。"],["邱委員鎮軍：現在沒有，以後會不會有？"],["劉部長世芳：目前也沒有。"],["邱委員鎮軍：以後呢？"],["劉部長世芳：因為這個是屬於自願工作的組織，未來我們有相當多的工作……"],["邱委員鎮軍：對，我要講的就是這樣子，很多民間團體其實都是義務職，我不希望我們政府利用這個名義去把公務預算編到這個地方來。"],["劉部長世芳：完全沒有。"],["邱委員鎮軍：因為有需要公務預算的民間團體太多了，到時候你會補不完，像我們的救難協會等等，他們平時在救災、救難都是跑第一線的，他們也沒有公務預算，只有一些裝備。"],["劉部長世芳：這些我們都非常感謝，我們希望他們用志工的精神來協助有關救災的工作。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好，請部長回去。我接下來要請問一下央行的楊總裁，房價越打越高，帶動通膨……"],["主席：麻煩請中央銀行總裁備詢，央行總裁到了嗎？沒有。","中央銀行總裁有參加嗎？"],["邱委員鎮軍：沒有到嗎？"],["主席：時間暫停，您是要問中央銀行總裁嗎？"],["邱委員鎮軍：對。"],["主席：央行總裁……"],["邱委員鎮軍：好，不然我問院長好了。我請問院長，房價越打越高，帶動通膨，人民水深火熱，我請問，央行打炒房已經打了4年了，為什麼沒有效果？"],["卓院長榮泰：最近央行的這幾批措施出來之後，及第七波措施出來之後，我想社會有感受到實質的效益，我們認為要再觀察一段時間，現在這些貸款的額度、成數跟筆數都已經有逐漸下降的趨勢，我們可以把詳細的資料再提供給委員參考。"],["邱委員鎮軍：對，因為我看到建構臺灣房價風險值量化評估模型的學術研究，它裡面提到一個，就是長期的貨幣寬鬆是導致我們房價打不下來的一個原因，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：房價有很多的因素，內內外外的因素很多。"],["邱委員鎮軍：這是它報告裡面的，所以很多委員說打房無效，就是你一手……"],["卓院長榮泰：好，我們再把資料送給委員參考，謝謝。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好。"],["主席：謝謝邱鎮軍委員質詢，謝謝卓院長備詢。","報告院會，現在在議場2樓旁聽的是來自新北林口高中的老師及同學，熱烈歡迎！","接下來我們請登記29號伍麗華委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":226,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-7","speakers":["韓國瑜","張智倫","麥玉珍","鍾佳濱","羅智強","王定宇","牛煦庭","劉建國","羅廷瑋","賴瑞隆","賴士葆","邱志偉","徐欣瑩","郭國文","邱鎮軍","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","謝衣鳯","郭昱晴","高金素梅","賴惠員","楊瓊瓔","林楚茵","王美惠"],"page_start":125,"meetingDate":["2024-11-05"],"gazette_id":"1138801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138801_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第7次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「114年\n度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─\n詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1138801_00004"}}}