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00:02:04,930\n我想這個都是我們應該要遵守的一個最重要的法源的依據當然這個10月初的時候其實我也特別前往我自己的任陽的責任區包含在桃園不管是鐵路地下化也好或者是在這個國道3號連接大溪路段的那個開通的儀式也好\n\n6\n00:02:05,690 --> 00:02:27,469\n那我自己深刻的感覺到就是在地方的活動尤其是在地方政府的部分那也有很多除了我以外當然還有我們的國民黨的立委同事們他們也都會在場那很有趣的一個現象是他們都會說我們需要中央跟地方合力來\n\n7\n00:02:29,168 --> 00:02:29,528\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n8\n00:02:56,857 --> 00:03:16,991\n就如委員的觀察我想從中央到地方的民意代表也都很期待中央地方各項的合作也因為這樣的觀察我們也看到這樣的需要所以我始終保持著很高度的樂觀跟信心我認為終究還是會走到一個大家最期待的那個地步那就是\n\n9\n00:03:18,379 --> 00:03:21,662\n兩院合作兩院互相尊重中央地方互相合作\n\n10\n00:03:31,018 --> 00:03:31,739\n主席主席主席\n\n11\n00:03:51,417 --> 00:03:52,338\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n12\n00:04:10,162 --> 00:04:28,276\n災害其實目前都還在計算當中還在計算這個災損的部分那我一直不斷的在強調其實這個災損它的建設尤其是修復的一個整個所有的過程它會是跨年度的那如果114年的總預算我們一直沒有辦法負為審查請問災損的預算能編列嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:34,873 --> 00:04:56,407\n今年度當然我們的災害準備金是全部都用完了就比如農業部來看災害準備金用的已經超越超過非常非常多了那我們還有其他的方式來找尋這個財源那目前我們也找到適當的方式但未來就看災害來了多少我那天到蘭嶼我特別才知道我們兩年前小選颱風來的時候編了10億讓蘭嶼所有的電纜地下化\n\n14\n00:05:00,950 --> 00:05:15,300\n明年年中間的中他會做好所以他未來就比較不怕颱風像類似這種跨好幾個年度而且是對這偏遠地區的這個經費的建設跟補助我想中央是從來不會怠慢的\n\n15\n00:05:16,498 --> 00:05:29,706\n昨天其實這個財劃法我們在財政委員會雖然我是教文委員會的外委的這個部分但是我是從早上這個8點半其實就已經在這邊standby從早上9點一直到晚上的半夜12點\n\n16\n00:05:31,125 --> 00:05:59,750\n那我的這個中指也受傷了,整個噢聲很大一顆。那我想這個才化法的部分其實不是不修,而是25年當中其實我們都沒有達到一定的共識。那這個共識包含我們的22個縣市的地方他們的聲音,在很多的指標當中其實沒有達到共識。你去急著修這個所謂的才化法,要向中央挖錢。那我想這個相對來講對我們來講是將來也是一個很大的一個挑戰。\n\n17\n00:06:00,570 --> 00:06:00,770\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n18\n00:06:19,599 --> 00:06:19,979\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n19\n00:06:37,278 --> 00:06:52,387\n不分所有的類別全部被打包式的退回卡關到目前沒有預算可審他其實還包含社福包含教文包含經濟發展甚至包含國防的預算也將近有4760億\n\n20\n00:06:55,089 --> 00:07:20,551\n那我覺得這個國家的安全其實是非常非常的重要那接下來呢我想呢在這個在野黨不斷的在阻擋總預算的一個情況之下國防部的軍事投資跟作業的維持計畫也有可能遭受到嚴重的影響我剛剛講了4700多億的這樣子的一個預算那是不是有可能會開了國家安全的大門\n\n21\n00:07:22,285 --> 00:07:36,685\n為了2026也好或者2027也好大家傳言當中的中共要干擾台灣犯台來為他們開這個大門會不會相對有嚴重的影響\n\n22\n00:07:37,245 --> 00:07:37,505\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n23\n00:07:54,511 --> 00:07:54,711\n主席\n\n24\n00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:37,810\n總統也已經講過了,我們展現自我防衛的能力跟決心,在這個重要關鍵的時刻,特別是國際社會會看著你,就是說你到底有沒有自我防衛的能力跟決心。我們穩健地增加國防預算,運用在相關領域,不對稱戰力、後備戰力提升、作戰韌性。\n\n25\n00:08:41,576 --> 00:09:09,916\n我們現在每天要應對這個中國每天的軍事東俄跟會社地帶的起擾我們這些相關的這些作業維持會也好這個軍事投資也好還有人員的維持這個都是很重要的所以如果沒有過的話我想世界各國都會質疑你這個有沒有這樣的能力跟決心那這樣的話比如說我也提到就是說美國事實上用了很多像這個PDA就是總統的特別提供權\n\n26\n00:09:10,660 --> 00:09:26,127\n還有FMF就是無償的軍援像這樣子都是因為基於這個臺灣關係法跟六項保證來支持我們那如果我們自己沒有辦法通過這個國防預算來展現自我防衛的能力跟決心的話那他就會開始質疑你說\n\n27\n00:09:30,454 --> 00:09:53,545\n所以其實我們真的不禁要想到這個削弱整個所有我們的總預算的審查的一個進度其實相對來講也削弱我們的國防防禦的一個能力那這個到底他們幕後的背後的動機到底是什麼其實我們真的嚴重的懷疑好為什麼我會特別提到這個部分呢因為其實我們都知道現在國防光是要流財其實也相當的不容易\n\n28\n00:09:53,985 --> 00:09:54,145\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間\n\n29\n00:10:11,141 --> 00:10:38,240\n那最主要的原因是不是可能直接就跟薪資待遇是有關的吼那104人力銀行的數據呢顯示2024年的平均月薪已經達到了4.7萬吼那但是呢其實我們的國軍中士以下的一個階級薪資是普遍低於這樣的一個水準吼那我想呢這個部分是不是也可以請國防部這邊回應我們一下到底這個薪資偏低我們要怎麼樣來補救我們要怎麼樣來提供解方\n\n30\n00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:38,800\n主席\n\n31\n00:10:50,805 --> 00:11:18,296\n招募人才是要加強然後要留營率也要加強然後這個我們要讓這個志願役的官士兵的薪資待遇能夠跟這個社會的這個一般的薪資要能夠相比這也很重要所以我們是有在研議就是說有關志願役的勤務加級還有現在邊線比比較低的就是說主戰部隊的這個加級\n\n32\n00:11:19,312 --> 00:11:40,836\n那是不是要來增加?那當然這個要視這個財政的預度。那我們研議完,我們還要跟主計總署、人事總署我們還要來商量,然後再後在報行這邊來審議。那這個薪資有一定的跟...現在我們幾乎已經快是一個充分就業的一個社會,所以我們要跟社會來拚這個資源役的這個...\n\n33\n00:11:44,377 --> 00:11:44,757\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n34\n00:12:04,384 --> 00:12:28,395\n好,那接下來其實我要問的就是關於我們的教育的部分了好,也謝謝兩位好,然後我想呢關於我們的教育的部分在教育現場的部分其實光是導師職務的一個佳節上次在總預算其實我沒有辦法把它問完那光是導師的職務的部分那班導師其實大家都知道他承擔了很多很多的責任那包含學生的情緒的管理\n\n35\n00:12:28,735 --> 00:12:29,816\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．郭昱晴\n\n36\n00:12:45,024 --> 00:12:46,385\n第三個部分呢其實也是最辛苦的\n\n37\n00:13:12,614 --> 00:13:15,076\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．郭昱晴二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．郭昱晴\n\n38\n00:13:27,722 --> 00:13:49,207\n教育部長首先謝謝委員陳希上一次繼續給我們這樣一個提醒那我想教育部應該要有一個在制度面上的全盤的考量跟檢討尤其是我們知道其實在學校的部分其實在教務的加級其實不要講說教務的加級其實軍公教已經調新這近8年調整了11%但是問題是我們也承諾114年也預告會再調整3%\n\n39\n00:13:57,429 --> 00:13:57,889\n主席主席主席\n\n40\n00:14:26,772 --> 00:14:52,859\n感謝委員的關心但是因為這個中小學導師我們確實現在是3000那但是因為我們有學校裡邊中小學他的樣態跟大學比較不太一樣他的許多行政工作確實是由中小學老師來兼任那我們考慮到整體的這個老師在行政工作上的兼任到他的一個差距上怎麼樣整體來考量我想我們會\n\n41\n00:14:53,619 --> 00:14:54,180\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n42\n00:15:05,550 --> 00:15:29,520\n這一個人事總署我們研議一下然後包括這一個再跟院長做報告我只剩下十幾秒最後就是特教助理員的加級的部分特教助理員的部分尤其是他們的時薪在六都當中最重要的北部的這四都從新北、台北、桃園、台中他們的時薪是被減少的也就是說他們\n\n43\n00:15:45,049 --> 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by從早上9點一直到晚上的半夜12點\n那我的這個中指也受傷了,整個噢聲很大一顆。那我想這個才化法的部分其實不是不修,而是25年當中其實我們都沒有達到一定的共識。那這個共識包含我們的22個縣市的地方他們的聲音,在很多的指標當中其實沒有達到共識。你去急著修這個所謂的才化法,要向中央挖錢。那我想這個相對來講對我們來講是將來也是一個很大的一個挑戰。\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n不分所有的類別全部被打包式的退回卡關到目前沒有預算可審他其實還包含社福包含教文包含經濟發展甚至包含國防的預算也將近有4760億\n那我覺得這個國家的安全其實是非常非常的重要那接下來呢我想呢在這個在野黨不斷的在阻擋總預算的一個情況之下國防部的軍事投資跟作業的維持計畫也有可能遭受到嚴重的影響我剛剛講了4700多億的這樣子的一個預算那是不是有可能會開了國家安全的大門\n為了2026也好或者2027也好大家傳言當中的中共要干擾台灣犯台來為他們開這個大門會不會相對有嚴重的影響\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n主席\n總統也已經講過了,我們展現自我防衛的能力跟決心,在這個重要關鍵的時刻,特別是國際社會會看著你,就是說你到底有沒有自我防衛的能力跟決心。我們穩健地增加國防預算,運用在相關領域,不對稱戰力、後備戰力提升、作戰韌性。\n我們現在每天要應對這個中國每天的軍事東俄跟會社地帶的起擾我們這些相關的這些作業維持會也好這個軍事投資也好還有人員的維持這個都是很重要的所以如果沒有過的話我想世界各國都會質疑你這個有沒有這樣的能力跟決心那這樣的話比如說我也提到就是說美國事實上用了很多像這個PDA就是總統的特別提供權\n還有FMF就是無償的軍援像這樣子都是因為基於這個臺灣關係法跟六項保證來支持我們那如果我們自己沒有辦法通過這個國防預算來展現自我防衛的能力跟決心的話那他就會開始質疑你說\n所以其實我們真的不禁要想到這個削弱整個所有我們的總預算的審查的一個進度其實相對來講也削弱我們的國防防禦的一個能力那這個到底他們幕後的背後的動機到底是什麼其實我們真的嚴重的懷疑好為什麼我會特別提到這個部分呢因為其實我們都知道現在國防光是要流財其實也相當的不容易\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間\n那最主要的原因是不是可能直接就跟薪資待遇是有關的吼那104人力銀行的數據呢顯示2024年的平均月薪已經達到了4.7萬吼那但是呢其實我們的國軍中士以下的一個階級薪資是普遍低於這樣的一個水準吼那我想呢這個部分是不是也可以請國防部這邊回應我們一下到底這個薪資偏低我們要怎麼樣來補救我們要怎麼樣來提供解方\n主席\n招募人才是要加強然後要留營率也要加強然後這個我們要讓這個志願役的官士兵的薪資待遇能夠跟這個社會的這個一般的薪資要能夠相比這也很重要所以我們是有在研議就是說有關志願役的勤務加級還有現在邊線比比較低的就是說主戰部隊的這個加級\n那是不是要來增加?那當然這個要視這個財政的預度。那我們研議完,我們還要跟主計總署、人事總署我們還要來商量,然後再後在報行這邊來審議。那這個薪資有一定的跟...現在我們幾乎已經快是一個充分就業的一個社會,所以我們要跟社會來拚這個資源役的這個...\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n好,那接下來其實我要問的就是關於我們的教育的部分了好,也謝謝兩位好,然後我想呢關於我們的教育的部分在教育現場的部分其實光是導師職務的一個佳節上次在總預算其實我沒有辦法把它問完那光是導師的職務的部分那班導師其實大家都知道他承擔了很多很多的責任那包含學生的情緒的管理\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．郭昱晴\n第三個部分呢其實也是最辛苦的\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．郭昱晴二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．郭昱晴\n教育部長首先謝謝委員陳希上一次繼續給我們這樣一個提醒那我想教育部應該要有一個在制度面上的全盤的考量跟檢討尤其是我們知道其實在學校的部分其實在教務的加級其實不要講說教務的加級其實軍公教已經調新這近8年調整了11%但是問題是我們也承諾114年也預告會再調整3%\n主席主席主席\n感謝委員的關心但是因為這個中小學導師我們確實現在是3000那但是因為我們有學校裡邊中小學他的樣態跟大學比較不太一樣他的許多行政工作確實是由中小學老師來兼任那我們考慮到整體的這個老師在行政工作上的兼任到他的一個差距上怎麼樣整體來考量我想我們會\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n這一個人事總署我們研議一下然後包括這一個再跟院長做報告我只剩下十幾秒最後就是特教助理員的加級的部分特教助理員的部分尤其是他們的時薪在六都當中最重要的北部的這四都從新北、台北、桃園、台中他們的時薪是被減少的也就是說他們\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.213 --> 00:16.196\n主席好。有請卓院長。麻煩再請卓院長備詢。郭昱昴好。院長辛苦了。那我不會問你眼中有沒有只有我。我想這個會期是預算會期,但是很遺憾我們一直到現在是沒有預算可以審。整包全部打包一起\n\n00:41.311 --> 01:09.187\n在程序委員會就不知道被退了幾次了那離114年中央總預算的這個年度我們只剩下最後是兩個月不到的一個時間那我想根據這個憲法第70條立法院對於行政對於行政院所提的這個預算不得為增加支出之提議主要是為了要防止預算無限的膨脹那立法委員最重要的職責其實應該是勘緊荷包\n\n01:10.879 --> 01:11.279\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間\n\n01:18.086 --> 01:40.589\n那另外再根據這個預算法第91條那立法委員所提的法律案大幅增加稅出或者是稅入的時候應該要先徵詢行政院的意見然後去指明這個彌補資金的一個來源必要的時候其實也應該要同時有提案修正其他的法律對嗎?是的\n\n01:42.485 --> 02:04.930\n我想這個都是我們應該要遵守的一個最重要的法源的依據當然這個10月初的時候其實我也特別前往我自己的任陽的責任區包含在桃園不管是鐵路地下化也好或者是在這個國道3號連接大溪路段的那個開通的儀式也好\n\n02:05.690 --> 02:27.469\n那我自己深刻的感覺到就是在地方的活動尤其是在地方政府的部分那也有很多除了我以外當然還有我們的國民黨的立委同事們他們也都會在場那很有趣的一個現象是他們都會說我們需要中央跟地方合力來\n\n02:29.168 --> 02:29.528\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n02:56.857 --> 03:16.991\n就如委員的觀察我想從中央到地方的民意代表也都很期待中央地方各項的合作也因為這樣的觀察我們也看到這樣的需要所以我始終保持著很高度的樂觀跟信心我認為終究還是會走到一個大家最期待的那個地步那就是\n\n03:18.379 --> 03:21.662\n兩院合作兩院互相尊重中央地方互相合作\n\n03:31.018 --> 03:31.739\n主席主席主席\n\n03:51.417 --> 03:52.338\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n04:10.162 --> 04:28.276\n災害其實目前都還在計算當中還在計算這個災損的部分那我一直不斷的在強調其實這個災損它的建設尤其是修復的一個整個所有的過程它會是跨年度的那如果114年的總預算我們一直沒有辦法負為審查請問災損的預算能編列嗎?\n\n04:34.873 --> 04:56.407\n今年度當然我們的災害準備金是全部都用完了就比如農業部來看災害準備金用的已經超越超過非常非常多了那我們還有其他的方式來找尋這個財源那目前我們也找到適當的方式但未來就看災害來了多少我那天到蘭嶼我特別才知道我們兩年前小選颱風來的時候編了10億讓蘭嶼所有的電纜地下化\n\n05:00.950 --> 05:15.300\n明年年中間的中他會做好所以他未來就比較不怕颱風像類似這種跨好幾個年度而且是對這偏遠地區的這個經費的建設跟補助我想中央是從來不會怠慢的\n\n05:16.498 --> 05:29.706\n昨天其實這個財劃法我們在財政委員會雖然我是教文委員會的外委的這個部分但是我是從早上這個8點半其實就已經在這邊standby從早上9點一直到晚上的半夜12點\n\n05:31.125 --> 05:59.750\n那我的這個中指也受傷了,整個噢聲很大一顆。那我想這個才化法的部分其實不是不修,而是25年當中其實我們都沒有達到一定的共識。那這個共識包含我們的22個縣市的地方他們的聲音,在很多的指標當中其實沒有達到共識。你去急著修這個所謂的才化法,要向中央挖錢。那我想這個相對來講對我們來講是將來也是一個很大的一個挑戰。\n\n06:00.570 --> 06:00.770\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n06:19.599 --> 06:19.979\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n06:37.278 --> 06:52.387\n不分所有的類別全部被打包式的退回卡關到目前沒有預算可審他其實還包含社福包含教文包含經濟發展甚至包含國防的預算也將近有4760億\n\n06:55.089 --> 07:20.551\n那我覺得這個國家的安全其實是非常非常的重要那接下來呢我想呢在這個在野黨不斷的在阻擋總預算的一個情況之下國防部的軍事投資跟作業的維持計畫也有可能遭受到嚴重的影響我剛剛講了4700多億的這樣子的一個預算那是不是有可能會開了國家安全的大門\n\n07:22.285 --> 07:36.685\n為了2026也好或者2027也好大家傳言當中的中共要干擾台灣犯台來為他們開這個大門會不會相對有嚴重的影響\n\n07:37.245 --> 07:37.505\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n07:54.511 --> 07:54.711\n主席\n\n08:18.079 --> 08:37.810\n總統也已經講過了,我們展現自我防衛的能力跟決心,在這個重要關鍵的時刻,特別是國際社會會看著你,就是說你到底有沒有自我防衛的能力跟決心。我們穩健地增加國防預算,運用在相關領域,不對稱戰力、後備戰力提升、作戰韌性。\n\n08:41.576 --> 09:09.916\n我們現在每天要應對這個中國每天的軍事東俄跟會社地帶的起擾我們這些相關的這些作業維持會也好這個軍事投資也好還有人員的維持這個都是很重要的所以如果沒有過的話我想世界各國都會質疑你這個有沒有這樣的能力跟決心那這樣的話比如說我也提到就是說美國事實上用了很多像這個PDA就是總統的特別提供權\n\n09:10.660 --> 09:26.127\n還有FMF就是無償的軍援像這樣子都是因為基於這個臺灣關係法跟六項保證來支持我們那如果我們自己沒有辦法通過這個國防預算來展現自我防衛的能力跟決心的話那他就會開始質疑你說\n\n09:30.454 --> 09:53.545\n所以其實我們真的不禁要想到這個削弱整個所有我們的總預算的審查的一個進度其實相對來講也削弱我們的國防防禦的一個能力那這個到底他們幕後的背後的動機到底是什麼其實我們真的嚴重的懷疑好為什麼我會特別提到這個部分呢因為其實我們都知道現在國防光是要流財其實也相當的不容易\n\n09:53.985 --> 09:54.145\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間\n\n10:11.141 --> 10:38.240\n那最主要的原因是不是可能直接就跟薪資待遇是有關的吼那104人力銀行的數據呢顯示2024年的平均月薪已經達到了4.7萬吼那但是呢其實我們的國軍中士以下的一個階級薪資是普遍低於這樣的一個水準吼那我想呢這個部分是不是也可以請國防部這邊回應我們一下到底這個薪資偏低我們要怎麼樣來補救我們要怎麼樣來提供解方\n\n10:38.680 --> 10:38.800\n主席\n\n10:50.805 --> 11:18.296\n招募人才是要加強然後要留營率也要加強然後這個我們要讓這個志願役的官士兵的薪資待遇能夠跟這個社會的這個一般的薪資要能夠相比這也很重要所以我們是有在研議就是說有關志願役的勤務加級還有現在邊線比比較低的就是說主戰部隊的這個加級\n\n11:19.312 --> 11:40.836\n那是不是要來增加?那當然這個要視這個財政的預度。那我們研議完,我們還要跟主計總署、人事總署我們還要來商量,然後再後在報行這邊來審議。那這個薪資有一定的跟...現在我們幾乎已經快是一個充分就業的一個社會,所以我們要跟社會來拚這個資源役的這個...\n\n11:44.377 --> 11:44.757\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n12:04.384 --> 12:28.395\n好,那接下來其實我要問的就是關於我們的教育的部分了好,也謝謝兩位好,然後我想呢關於我們的教育的部分在教育現場的部分其實光是導師職務的一個佳節上次在總預算其實我沒有辦法把它問完那光是導師的職務的部分那班導師其實大家都知道他承擔了很多很多的責任那包含學生的情緒的管理\n\n12:28.735 --> 12:29.816\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．郭昱晴\n\n12:45.024 --> 12:46.385\n第三個部分呢其實也是最辛苦的\n\n13:12.614 --> 13:15.076\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．郭昱晴二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．郭昱晴\n\n13:27.722 --> 13:49.207\n教育部長首先謝謝委員陳希上一次繼續給我們這樣一個提醒那我想教育部應該要有一個在制度面上的全盤的考量跟檢討尤其是我們知道其實在學校的部分其實在教務的加級其實不要講說教務的加級其實軍公教已經調新這近8年調整了11%但是問題是我們也承諾114年也預告會再調整3%\n\n13:57.429 --> 13:57.889\n主席主席主席\n\n14:26.772 --> 14:52.859\n感謝委員的關心但是因為這個中小學導師我們確實現在是3000那但是因為我們有學校裡邊中小學他的樣態跟大學比較不太一樣他的許多行政工作確實是由中小學老師來兼任那我們考慮到整體的這個老師在行政工作上的兼任到他的一個差距上怎麼樣整體來考量我想我們會\n\n14:53.619 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by，從早上9點一直到半夜12點，我的中指也受傷了，整個瘀青很大一塊。我想財劃法的部分其實不是不修，而是25年當中，我們都沒有達到一定的共識，這個共識包含我們22個縣市地方他們的聲音，在很多指標當中並沒有達到共識，但卻急著修財劃法，要向中央挖錢，我想相對來講，對我們來講，將來也是一個很大的挑戰。這個戰場，包含昨天坐在財政委員會會議室當中，從早坐到晚很辛苦的我們部會首長，在這個部分，我們再一次向藍白喊話，好嗎？我們希望趕快把總預算付委審查，財劃法要好好的溝通，取得地方的共識才行！","我為什麼前言要講這麼多？我相信包含很多災害準備金也好，明年度的總預算也好，其實不分所有類別，全部被打包式地退回、卡關到目前沒有預算可審，它其實還包含社福、包含教文、包含經濟發展，甚至包含國防的預算也將近有4,760億，我覺得國家安全其實是非常重要的。接下來我想在在野黨不斷阻擋總預算的情況之下，國防部的軍事投資跟作業的維持計畫也有可能遭受到嚴重的影響，我剛剛講了，有四千七百多億，這樣的預算是不是有可能開了國家安全的大門？為了2026也好，或者2027也好，大家傳言當中的中共要干擾臺灣，為他們犯臺而開了這個大門，會不會相對有嚴重地影響？","我們現在就來看一下包含軍事的投資1,458億，這個新增的案件，包含潛艦國造後續的整個進程，以及新型的步槍等等，其實這個都是非常重要的國防支出，我們必須把錢花在國防的刀口上以保衛臺灣的安全，這樣其實都是為了提升我們所謂不對稱的戰力跟後備部隊的戰備能力，但是總預算現在沒過，這個部分會不會被削弱？"],["顧部長立雄：我早上也已經講過了，我們要展現自我防衛的能力跟決心，在這個重要關鍵的時刻，特別是國際社會會看著你，看你到底有沒有自我防衛的能力跟決心。我們穩健地增加國防預算，應用在相關的不對稱戰力、後備戰力的提升、作戰韌性，乃至於我們現在每天要應對來自中國每天的軍事恫嚇跟灰色地帶的侵擾。我們這些相關的作業維持費也好，軍事投資也好……"],["郭委員昱晴：還有人員的維持。"],["顧部長立雄：是，還有人員的維持，這個都是很重要的，所以如果沒有過的話，我想世界各國都會質疑你有沒有這樣的能力跟決心。這樣的話，譬如說我也提到，美國事實上用了很多項PDA（總統特別提用權）還有FMF的無償軍援，像這樣子都是基於臺灣關係法跟六項保證來支持我們，如果我們自己沒有辦法通過這個國防預算，以展現自我防衛的能力跟決心的話，它就會開始質疑你，你自己都不幫你自己了，我為什麼還要這樣無償地援助你？"],["郭委員昱晴：所以我們不禁要想到，削弱整個總預算審查的進度，其實相對來講也削弱了我們國防防禦的能力，他們背後的動機到底是什麼，我們真的嚴重地懷疑。","為什麼我會特別提到這個部分呢？因為我們都知道，現在國防光是要留才其實也相當不容易，在留才不易的狀況之下，是不是有可能是因為他們的薪資誘因比較低的緣故？我們大家都知道，其實加薪的部分是屬於所謂的新興計畫之一，國防部目前可以看到士兵的人數普遍低於所謂的需求，最主要的原因是不是可能直接跟薪資待遇有關？104人力銀行的數據也顯示2024年的平均月薪已經達到4.7萬，但是我們國軍中士以下的階級，其薪資是普遍低於這樣的水準，我想這個部分是不是也可以請國防部這邊回應我們一下，到底這個薪資偏低我們要怎麼樣補救、要怎麼樣提供解方，再把我們能夠防禦臺灣的軍力，在人力的部分把它備齊？我們要怎麼樣提高這樣的誘因？"],["顧部長立雄：我們招募人才是要加強，留營率也要加強，然後我們要讓志願役官士兵的薪資待遇要能跟社會一般的薪資相比，這也很重要，所以我們是有在研議，就是說有關志願役的勤務加給，還有現在編現比比較低的，就是主戰部隊的加給是不是要增加。當然這個要視財政的裕度，我們研議完還要跟主計總處、人事總處商量，然後再報行政院審議。"],["郭委員昱晴：好，如果有進一步……"],["顧部長立雄：現在我們幾乎已經快是一個充分就業的社會，所以我們志願役的人力補足要跟社會來拚是滿……"],["郭委員昱晴：好，這個人力的補足如果將來有一些比較具體的文字或者是計畫的部分，再麻煩提供給我們辦公室來作為參考……"],["顧部長立雄：是。"],["郭委員昱晴：這個部分其實我們也是要替他們爭取，但回歸到一句話，114年中央總預算沒有付委審查，講的什麼東西都是空的。","接著下來我要問的就是關於我們教育的部分。也謝謝兩位。關於我們教育的部分，在教育現場，光是導師的職務加給，上次在總質詢其實我沒有辦法把它問完，光是導師職務的部分，大家都知道，班導師承擔了很多很多的責任，包含學生的情緒管理，或者是學生秩序上的管理，甚至在下課之後，他還要面臨跟家長上面的溝通、輔導，以及跟家長的聯繫，有些導師除了在教學以外，還要負擔很多所謂的行政工作，我想這是第一線導師，我們能夠想像的，他的工作壓力到底有多大。","另外，我要提的是國中小的導師，從101年開始，2,000元調漲到3,000元，但是已經有12年沒有調了；在高中導師的部分，106年從2,000元調整到3,000元，7年的時間沒有調整；第三個部分，其實也是最辛苦的，就是特殊教育的教師擔任導師，更是從民國80年到現在，超過30年，從1,800元都沒有調整。這個部分，請問教育部長？"],["卓院長榮泰：首先謝謝委員，承續上一次繼續給我們這樣一個提醒，我想教育部應該要在制度面上有一個全盤的考量及檢討……"],["郭委員昱晴：尤其我們知道，在學校的部分，在教務的加給，不要講教務的加給，其實軍公教已經調薪，近8年已經調整了11%，問題是我們也預告114年會再調整3%，但是又回歸到總預算沒過，這3%也是空談，問題是導師的部分，還有特教導師的部分，教育部長是不是可以幫大家一起爭取一下？"],["卓院長榮泰：請部長答復。"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員關心，確實，在中小學裡面，由於所面臨的教學挑戰，我們老師要承擔的責任越來越大，也感謝委員的關心，我們中小學導師確實現在是3,000元，但是因為中小學學校裡面的樣態跟大學比較不太一樣，它的許多行政工作確實是由中小學老師來兼任，我們考慮到整體的老師在行政工作上兼任的差距怎麼樣整體來考量，我們會跟人事總處有一個……"],["郭委員昱晴：另外就是特教導師的部分。"],["鄭部長英耀：是，還有包含特教……"],["郭委員昱晴：30幾年，這個我們比較急，三十幾年沒調整，這個對他們來講不公平。"],["鄭部長英耀：是，這個我們來跟人事總處研議一下，再跟院長做報告。"],["郭委員昱晴：我只剩下十幾秒。","最後就是特教助理員的加給部分，尤其是他們的時薪，在六都當中，最重要的北部這四都，從新北、臺北、桃園到臺中，他們的時薪是被減少的，也就是他們被減時數，被減時數之後，其實直接影響的就是他們的生計，還有學生被輔導的服務品質，我想這個部分可能用書面來提供給我們，就我們怎麼樣來幫這些特教助理員的部分，可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：好，我會請教育部給我一個檢討報告，我們再跟委員來做請教。"],["郭委員昱晴：好。"],["鄭部長英耀：我們幼保員時薪的這個部分，我們會來看怎麼樣有一個時薪的保障……"],["郭委員昱晴：好，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝郭昱晴委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長、部會首長的備詢。","接下來請登記第32號高金素梅委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":226,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-7","speakers":["韓國瑜","張智倫","麥玉珍","鍾佳濱","羅智強","王定宇","牛煦庭","劉建國","羅廷瑋","賴瑞隆","賴士葆","邱志偉","徐欣瑩","郭國文","邱鎮軍","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","謝衣鳯","郭昱晴","高金素梅","賴惠員","楊瓊瓔","林楚茵","王美惠"],"page_start":125,"meetingDate":["2024-11-05"],"gazette_id":"1138801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138801_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第7次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「114年\n度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─\n詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1138801_00004"}}}