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00:01:25,416\n然後跟你做探討那可是我實在是聽不下去了我覺得這個武黨級的高軍委員講這個進華補償實在是講得太離譜太離譜了所以在這裡我首先先請教院長就是進華補償從105年他開始發放就是用原民會的公務預算跟基金各辦的一個編列來支應是不是\n\n4\n00:01:27,481 --> 00:01:39,777\n委員講得正確不過容許我借委員的30秒鐘我要向韓院長表示剛剛我們在這裡聽到了一場不對稱的質詢不對稱的質詢高級委員用很多\n\n5\n00:01:40,950 --> 00:01:57,759\n不適時的內容來攻擊行政院讓行政院的官員沒有辦法答詢我剛剛實在想起來表示我的抗議但是我基於意識的和諧我只現在向韓院長表示我內心的感受我希望這種不對稱的質詢也不要成為慣例\n\n6\n00:01:58,900 --> 00:02:16,054\n那委員所說的沒有錯我們過去對於禁法補償我從來沒有說過行政院從來沒有表示過它是一個違憲的它是一部法律但法律修訂的過程要依照各種修法的相關程序來做只要依照程序做行政院絕對依法執行\n\n7\n00:02:16,482 --> 00:02:33,270\n好院長原民會的轉型正義一直就是我們民進黨不管從小英總統到賴清德總統一直都是我們民進黨在執政的一個最重要的政策這是不是我們向來最重要的一個就是轉型正義的一個目標\n\n8\n00:02:34,806 --> 00:02:50,480\n從2000年民進黨陳水扁總統執政以後我們對原住民族的關心從歷史上歷歷可見所有的存在的事實到現在還持續在發展跟壯大之中以後我們也會這樣做是謝謝那院長是不是進化補償\n\n9\n00:02:51,741 --> 00:03:20,531\n是不是陳儒就是其他藍白的委員講到了我們完全都沒有編列這樣的一個公務預算也不能用基金來撥補是不是這樣子有道理今天不管4萬2萬還是3萬3萬我們到底有沒有編我們到底會不會給他們他現在都帶風向說我們不會給那個原住民這一些那個我們的市民有這些經費到底有沒有\n\n10\n00:03:20,942 --> 00:03:35,547\n修法之前進法補償編列3萬元修法的過程行政院曾經表示過如果能夠提升到4萬元我們願意來接受這樣的結果但是編了6萬元卻沒有指出\n\n11\n00:03:35,947 --> 00:03:36,367\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n12\n00:03:55,774 --> 00:03:55,794\n賴惠員\n\n13\n00:04:25,814 --> 00:04:26,775\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n14\n00:04:45,484 --> 00:04:46,084\n請交通部長、國發會主委備詢。\n\n15\n00:05:07,915 --> 00:05:28,954\n跟院長探討我們整體來講就是說在總統的一個文告裡頭有特別提出來就是整體我們那個智慧科技大南方那個生態系的一個發展那在這裡我要跟院長做個探討就是在10月16號我有邀請到我們台南市政府\n\n16\n00:05:29,514 --> 00:05:30,234\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n17\n00:05:57,602 --> 00:05:59,323\n這是我們科技預算總數我們智慧科技大南方產業生產區的確有編了\n\n18\n00:06:23,913 --> 00:06:51,426\n對,就是那個我們的智慧科技那個南方產業的一個生態系裡頭我們有特別編了這樣的一筆一千多億的一個預算這是科技預算的總數對,科技預算的總數那所以就是說我們盤點了那天我們在會議上我們也去盤點了就是說如何把這一個科技S狼帶就是說你從就是我整個就是在嘉義縣然後一直延伸過來到\n\n19\n00:06:53,007 --> 00:07:18,687\n新營、南科、台南、高雄、屏東、喬科、屏東就是缺了我這一塊,院長缺了我這一塊那我們其實就是六甲公園院、南院在我的選區裡頭其實那個地方有很多很多優秀的人才因為在早期我們的晶片其實也是從公園院研發出來的\n\n20\n00:07:19,428 --> 00:07:20,109\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n21\n00:07:39,224 --> 00:08:07,182\n那我有五個水庫在那個地方所以各種生態各種條件其實我已經具備了最好的一個條件所以我要請院長全力的支持我尤其在我這麼好的一個人才公園院在我這個選區裡頭我希望它其實是足夠很好的條件可以達到就是一個AI機器人的研發產業中心在我那個地方然後附帶的我們知道就是說\n\n22\n00:08:08,163 --> 00:08:34,794\n整體來講就是這個整個產區的發展、研發跟生產那我還有一個柳科第三期這個是很快不超過15分鐘這個生產的一個基地就在那個地方所以我很希望就是院長可以有一個時間到我這個地方來就是實際的一個考察你會覺得沒有任何一個地方比我這個地方條件更好\n\n23\n00:08:36,483 --> 00:09:03,211\n報告委員我們在均衡台灣的整體規劃當中六大區域治理的計畫裡面大南方計畫這是一個完整的計畫那國發會已經在就內部的這個產業跟生活面做比較詳細的一個細部規劃那科技的部分國客會一直對我們沙崙為主的整個大S廊帶有相當完整的一個構想那明年開始我們就會初步的提出一些\n\n24\n00:09:04,051 --> 00:09:25,087\n有經費有期程的一些工作時間工作內容那一步一步會把它納進來那將來在國發會的整個區域治理計畫當中剛剛委員所提的這個部分如果原來在計畫裡面我們當然會照計畫走如果是周遭為了帶動周遭的整個連體連帶的一個發展我們會請國發會再來審慎的地方看那我有機會我們也到現場再去看\n\n25\n00:09:28,921 --> 00:09:48,552\n好,謝謝院長。我想我在這裡要特別感謝我們的國會主委,還有我們的國科會主委,他們其實為了這個議題,他們也下了很多的研究的功夫。事實上,我想他們,我希望他們再跟你做完整的一個專案的報告。\n\n26\n00:09:49,392 --> 00:09:51,413\n謝謝,謝謝院長那接著跟院長再來討論交通的問題我想這個\n\n27\n00:10:15,376 --> 00:10:38,661\n因應國際的七四交通運輸研究所他透過了一個建議就是說透過發展公共運輸系統我們希望達到2050年的淨零排碳請問院長你認同這樣子的一個計畫嗎?2050年的淨零排碳是全世界的目標那我們逐步在往這個方向在前進我們也設定了2030、2032每年逐年應該達到的一個標準\n\n28\n00:10:42,964 --> 00:11:03,875\n是,那我們從那個就是交通部的那個應援所裡頭他所做的一個那個特別的一個規劃裡頭我們看到了就是說三大策略裡頭其實他把最重要的一個發展公共運輸系統加強運輸需求的管理他把列為就是最重要的一個指標性的\n\n29\n00:11:04,335 --> 00:11:04,676\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n30\n00:11:21,397 --> 00:11:23,558\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．賴惠員二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．賴惠員\n\n31\n00:11:51,167 --> 00:11:51,827\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n32\n00:12:18,472 --> 00:12:39,071\n這個部長看到我就在笑了,我就是要一直講,一直講,讓你看到我就哭起台37。對,看到你就想到台37,沒錯。我想這個台37的延伸對我們新營,對在未來就是我們產業發展,就是說對南科也有很大的一個發展,一個重要性。還有新營車站太老舊了。\n\n33\n00:12:39,992 --> 00:12:58,038\n新營車站的一個老舊,我就是在之前林佳龍部長的時候也謝謝部長的一個支持,他支持我新營車站的一個大更新。那這個計畫我們希望再逐步去進行。那接著就是要跟那個院長來討論這個台鐵他老舊的車廂的一個汰換。\n\n34\n00:13:02,609 --> 00:13:25,318\n我們常常接到就是我們的辦公室常常會接到就是我們新營的通車組那我們的通勤組他其實就是往南往南他就是到台南去上班往北的話就是到嘉義那你知道就是說在這幾個幾個這個通勤的部分的時候我們發現就是我們的幾關號太老舊\n\n35\n00:13:26,986 --> 00:13:43,748\n幾關號太老舊我想我自己也嘗試去做過那個冷氣好像真的是不冷後來我問了交通部他們告訴我說我說你們平常冷氣是開了幾度他們跟我講說那個大概是\n\n36\n00:13:44,908 --> 00:14:10,057\n二十六到二十七,那你想一想一個老舊的一個車廂,然後你的冷氣,這個溫度又是這麼差,然後是不是需要鈦換了?那我們整體來講,就是那個舉官號鈦舊換新,從自強區間那個區間塊的一個接替,我們希望提升它的品質啊。\n\n37\n00:14:10,657 --> 00:14:11,337\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n38\n00:14:28,988 --> 00:14:51,179\n所以在這裡我特別提出來就是說我的這個區間車還有我的這個舉光號還有我的志強號這些老舊的一個這個交通運具公共的一個運具是不是應該適當的把它泰新是報告委員在舉光號的部分確實已經滿老舊了我們從111年就開始在汰換一些\n\n39\n00:14:51,704 --> 00:14:52,084\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n40\n00:15:07,449 --> 00:15:07,989\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．賴惠員\n\n41\n00:15:24,994 --> 00:15:25,374\n謝謝賴惠妍委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10143\t10163\t賴委員\n39165\t58910\t議員長,是不是那個閆明慧主委走得太慢了,還我三秒鐘。沒問題,沒問題。好,賴委員請。議員長,我剛才其實我是要針對我的選區的AI,AI的一個機器人的一個未來的一個發展的展望。\n59949\t85416\t然後跟你做探討那可是我實在是聽不下去了我覺得這個武黨級的高軍委員講這個進華補償實在是講得太離譜太離譜了所以在這裡我首先先請教院長就是進華補償從105年他開始發放就是用原民會的公務預算跟基金各辦的一個編列來支應是不是\n87481\t99777\t委員講得正確不過容許我借委員的30秒鐘我要向韓院長表示剛剛我們在這裡聽到了一場不對稱的質詢不對稱的質詢高級委員用很多\n100950\t117759\t不適時的內容來攻擊行政院讓行政院的官員沒有辦法答詢我剛剛實在想起來表示我的抗議但是我基於意識的和諧我只現在向韓院長表示我內心的感受我希望這種不對稱的質詢也不要成為慣例\n118900\t136054\t那委員所說的沒有錯我們過去對於禁法補償我從來沒有說過行政院從來沒有表示過它是一個違憲的它是一部法律但法律修訂的過程要依照各種修法的相關程序來做只要依照程序做行政院絕對依法執行\n136482\t153270\t好 院長 原民會的轉型正義一直就是我們民進黨不管從小英總統到賴清德總統一直都是我們民進黨在執政的一個最重要的政策這是不是我們向來最重要的一個就是轉型正義的一個目標\n154806\t170480\t從2000年民進黨陳水扁總統執政以後我們對原住民族的關心從歷史上歷歷可見所有的存在的事實到現在還持續在發展跟壯大之中以後我們也會這樣做是 謝謝那院長是不是進化補償\n171741\t200531\t是不是陳儒就是其他藍白的委員講到了我們完全都沒有編列這樣的一個公務預算也不能用基金來撥補是不是這樣子有道理今天不管4萬2萬還是3萬3萬我們到底有沒有編我們到底會不會給他們他現在都帶風向說我們不會給那個原住民這一些那個我們的市民有這些經費到底有沒有\n200942\t215547\t修法之前進法補償編列3萬元修法的過程行政院曾經表示過如果能夠提升到4萬元我們願意來接受這樣的結果但是編了6萬元卻沒有指出\n215947\t216367\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n235774\t235794\t賴惠員\n265814\t266775\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n285484\t286084\t請交通部長、國發會主委備詢。\n307915\t328954\t跟院長探討我們整體來講就是說在總統的一個文告裡頭有特別提出來就是整體我們那個智慧科技大南方那個生態系的一個發展那在這裡我要跟院長做個探討就是在10月16號我有邀請到我們台南市政府\n329514\t330234\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n357602\t359323\t這是我們科技預算總數我們智慧科技大南方產業生產區的確有編了\n383913\t411426\t對,就是那個我們的智慧科技那個南方產業的一個生態系裡頭我們有特別編了這樣的一筆一千多億的一個預算這是科技預算的總數對,科技預算的總數那所以就是說我們盤點了那天我們在會議上我們也去盤點了就是說如何把這一個科技S狼帶就是說你從就是我整個就是在嘉義縣然後一直延伸過來到\n413007\t438687\t新營、南科、台南、高雄、屏東、喬科、屏東就是缺了我這一塊,院長缺了我這一塊那我們其實就是六甲公園院、南院在我的選區裡頭其實那個地方有很多很多優秀的人才因為在早期我們的晶片其實也是從公園院研發出來的\n439428\t440109\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n459224\t487182\t那我有五個水庫在那個地方所以各種生態各種條件其實我已經具備了最好的一個條件所以我要請院長全力的支持我尤其在我這麼好的一個人才公園院在我這個選區裡頭我希望它其實是足夠很好的條件可以達到就是一個AI機器人的研發產業中心在我那個地方然後附帶的我們知道就是說\n488163\t514794\t整體來講就是這個整個產區的發展、研發跟生產那我還有一個柳科第三期這個是很快不超過15分鐘這個生產的一個基地就在那個地方所以我很希望就是院長可以有一個時間到我這個地方來就是實際的一個考察你會覺得沒有任何一個地方比我這個地方條件更好\n516483\t543211\t報告委員我們在均衡台灣的整體規劃當中六大區域治理的計畫裡面大南方計畫這是一個完整的計畫那國發會已經在就內部的這個產業跟生活面做比較詳細的一個細部規劃那科技的部分國客會一直對我們沙崙為主的整個大S廊帶有相當完整的一個構想那明年開始我們就會初步的提出一些\n544051\t565087\t有經費有期程的一些工作時間工作內容那一步一步會把它納進來那將來在國發會的整個區域治理計畫當中剛剛委員所提的這個部分如果原來在計畫裡面我們當然會照計畫走如果是周遭為了帶動周遭的整個連體連帶的一個發展我們會請國發會再來審慎的地方看那我有機會我們也到現場再去看\n568921\t588552\t好,謝謝院長。我想我在這裡要特別感謝我們的國會主委,還有我們的國科會主委,他們其實為了這個議題,他們也下了很多的研究的功夫。事實上,我想他們,我希望他們再跟你做完整的一個專案的報告。\n589392\t591413\t謝謝,謝謝院長那接著跟院長再來討論交通的問題我想這個\n615376\t638661\t因應國際的七四交通運輸研究所他透過了一個建議就是說透過發展公共運輸系統我們希望達到2050年的淨零排碳請問院長你認同這樣子的一個計畫嗎?2050年的淨零排碳是全世界的目標那我們逐步在往這個方向在前進我們也設定了2030、2032每年逐年應該達到的一個標準\n642964\t663875\t是,那我們從那個就是交通部的那個應援所裡頭他所做的一個那個特別的一個規劃裡頭我們看到了就是說三大策略裡頭其實他把最重要的一個發展公共運輸系統加強運輸需求的管理他把列為就是最重要的一個指標性的\n664335\t664676\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n681397\t683558\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．賴惠員二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．賴惠員\n711167\t711827\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n738472\t759071\t這個部長看到我就在笑了,我就是要一直講,一直講,讓你看到我就哭起台37。對,看到你就想到台37,沒錯。我想這個台37的延伸對我們新營,對在未來就是我們產業發展,就是說對南科也有很大的一個發展,一個重要性。還有新營車站太老舊了。\n759992\t778038\t新營車站的一個老舊,我就是在之前林佳龍部長的時候也謝謝部長的一個支持,他支持我新營車站的一個大更新。那這個計畫我們希望再逐步去進行。那接著就是要跟那個院長來討論這個台鐵他老舊的車廂的一個汰換。\n782609\t805318\t我們常常接到就是我們的辦公室常常會接到就是我們新營的通車組那我們的通勤組他其實就是往南往南他就是到台南去上班往北的話就是到嘉義那你知道就是說在這幾個幾個這個通勤的部分的時候我們發現就是我們的幾關號太老舊\n806986\t823748\t幾關號太老舊我想我自己也嘗試去做過那個冷氣好像真的是不冷後來我問了交通部他們告訴我說我說你們平常冷氣是開了幾度他們跟我講說那個大概是\n824908\t850057\t二十六到二十七,那你想一想一個老舊的一個車廂,然後你的冷氣,這個溫度又是這麼差,然後是不是需要鈦換了?那我們整體來講,就是那個舉官號鈦舊換新,從自強區間那個區間塊的一個接替,我們希望提升它的品質啊。\n850657\t851337\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n868988\t891179\t所以在這裡我特別提出來就是說我的這個區間車還有我的這個舉光號還有我的志強號這些老舊的一個這個交通運具公共的一個運具是不是應該適當的把它泰新是報告委員在舉光號的部分確實已經滿老舊了我們從111年就開始在汰換一些\n891704\t892084\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n907449\t907989\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．賴惠員\n924994\t925374\t謝謝賴惠妍委員\n","txt":"賴委員\n議員長,是不是那個閆明慧主委走得太慢了,還我三秒鐘。沒問題,沒問題。好,賴委員請。議員長,我剛才其實我是要針對我的選區的AI,AI的一個機器人的一個未來的一個發展的展望。\n然後跟你做探討那可是我實在是聽不下去了我覺得這個武黨級的高軍委員講這個進華補償實在是講得太離譜太離譜了所以在這裡我首先先請教院長就是進華補償從105年他開始發放就是用原民會的公務預算跟基金各辦的一個編列來支應是不是\n委員講得正確不過容許我借委員的30秒鐘我要向韓院長表示剛剛我們在這裡聽到了一場不對稱的質詢不對稱的質詢高級委員用很多\n不適時的內容來攻擊行政院讓行政院的官員沒有辦法答詢我剛剛實在想起來表示我的抗議但是我基於意識的和諧我只現在向韓院長表示我內心的感受我希望這種不對稱的質詢也不要成為慣例\n那委員所說的沒有錯我們過去對於禁法補償我從來沒有說過行政院從來沒有表示過它是一個違憲的它是一部法律但法律修訂的過程要依照各種修法的相關程序來做只要依照程序做行政院絕對依法執行\n好 院長 原民會的轉型正義一直就是我們民進黨不管從小英總統到賴清德總統一直都是我們民進黨在執政的一個最重要的政策這是不是我們向來最重要的一個就是轉型正義的一個目標\n從2000年民進黨陳水扁總統執政以後我們對原住民族的關心從歷史上歷歷可見所有的存在的事實到現在還持續在發展跟壯大之中以後我們也會這樣做是 謝謝那院長是不是進化補償\n是不是陳儒就是其他藍白的委員講到了我們完全都沒有編列這樣的一個公務預算也不能用基金來撥補是不是這樣子有道理今天不管4萬2萬還是3萬3萬我們到底有沒有編我們到底會不會給他們他現在都帶風向說我們不會給那個原住民這一些那個我們的市民有這些經費到底有沒有\n修法之前進法補償編列3萬元修法的過程行政院曾經表示過如果能夠提升到4萬元我們願意來接受這樣的結果但是編了6萬元卻沒有指出\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n賴惠員\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n請交通部長、國發會主委備詢。\n跟院長探討我們整體來講就是說在總統的一個文告裡頭有特別提出來就是整體我們那個智慧科技大南方那個生態系的一個發展那在這裡我要跟院長做個探討就是在10月16號我有邀請到我們台南市政府\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n這是我們科技預算總數我們智慧科技大南方產業生產區的確有編了\n對,就是那個我們的智慧科技那個南方產業的一個生態系裡頭我們有特別編了這樣的一筆一千多億的一個預算這是科技預算的總數對,科技預算的總數那所以就是說我們盤點了那天我們在會議上我們也去盤點了就是說如何把這一個科技S狼帶就是說你從就是我整個就是在嘉義縣然後一直延伸過來到\n新營、南科、台南、高雄、屏東、喬科、屏東就是缺了我這一塊,院長缺了我這一塊那我們其實就是六甲公園院、南院在我的選區裡頭其實那個地方有很多很多優秀的人才因為在早期我們的晶片其實也是從公園院研發出來的\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n那我有五個水庫在那個地方所以各種生態各種條件其實我已經具備了最好的一個條件所以我要請院長全力的支持我尤其在我這麼好的一個人才公園院在我這個選區裡頭我希望它其實是足夠很好的條件可以達到就是一個AI機器人的研發產業中心在我那個地方然後附帶的我們知道就是說\n整體來講就是這個整個產區的發展、研發跟生產那我還有一個柳科第三期這個是很快不超過15分鐘這個生產的一個基地就在那個地方所以我很希望就是院長可以有一個時間到我這個地方來就是實際的一個考察你會覺得沒有任何一個地方比我這個地方條件更好\n報告委員我們在均衡台灣的整體規劃當中六大區域治理的計畫裡面大南方計畫這是一個完整的計畫那國發會已經在就內部的這個產業跟生活面做比較詳細的一個細部規劃那科技的部分國客會一直對我們沙崙為主的整個大S廊帶有相當完整的一個構想那明年開始我們就會初步的提出一些\n有經費有期程的一些工作時間工作內容那一步一步會把它納進來那將來在國發會的整個區域治理計畫當中剛剛委員所提的這個部分如果原來在計畫裡面我們當然會照計畫走如果是周遭為了帶動周遭的整個連體連帶的一個發展我們會請國發會再來審慎的地方看那我有機會我們也到現場再去看\n好,謝謝院長。我想我在這裡要特別感謝我們的國會主委,還有我們的國科會主委,他們其實為了這個議題,他們也下了很多的研究的功夫。事實上,我想他們,我希望他們再跟你做完整的一個專案的報告。\n謝謝,謝謝院長那接著跟院長再來討論交通的問題我想這個\n因應國際的七四交通運輸研究所他透過了一個建議就是說透過發展公共運輸系統我們希望達到2050年的淨零排碳請問院長你認同這樣子的一個計畫嗎?2050年的淨零排碳是全世界的目標那我們逐步在往這個方向在前進我們也設定了2030、2032每年逐年應該達到的一個標準\n是,那我們從那個就是交通部的那個應援所裡頭他所做的一個那個特別的一個規劃裡頭我們看到了就是說三大策略裡頭其實他把最重要的一個發展公共運輸系統加強運輸需求的管理他把列為就是最重要的一個指標性的\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．賴惠員二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．賴惠員\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n這個部長看到我就在笑了,我就是要一直講,一直講,讓你看到我就哭起台37。對,看到你就想到台37,沒錯。我想這個台37的延伸對我們新營,對在未來就是我們產業發展,就是說對南科也有很大的一個發展,一個重要性。還有新營車站太老舊了。\n新營車站的一個老舊,我就是在之前林佳龍部長的時候也謝謝部長的一個支持,他支持我新營車站的一個大更新。那這個計畫我們希望再逐步去進行。那接著就是要跟那個院長來討論這個台鐵他老舊的車廂的一個汰換。\n我們常常接到就是我們的辦公室常常會接到就是我們新營的通車組那我們的通勤組他其實就是往南往南他就是到台南去上班往北的話就是到嘉義那你知道就是說在這幾個幾個這個通勤的部分的時候我們發現就是我們的幾關號太老舊\n幾關號太老舊我想我自己也嘗試去做過那個冷氣好像真的是不冷後來我問了交通部他們告訴我說我說你們平常冷氣是開了幾度他們跟我講說那個大概是\n二十六到二十七,那你想一想一個老舊的一個車廂,然後你的冷氣,這個溫度又是這麼差,然後是不是需要鈦換了?那我們整體來講,就是那個舉官號鈦舊換新,從自強區間那個區間塊的一個接替,我們希望提升它的品質啊。\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n所以在這裡我特別提出來就是說我的這個區間車還有我的這個舉光號還有我的志強號這些老舊的一個這個交通運具公共的一個運具是不是應該適當的把它泰新是報告委員在舉光號的部分確實已經滿老舊了我們從111年就開始在汰換一些\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．賴惠員\n謝謝賴惠妍委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.143 --> 00:10.163\n賴委員\n\n00:39.165 --> 00:58.910\n議員長,是不是那個閆明慧主委走得太慢了,還我三秒鐘。沒問題,沒問題。好,賴委員請。議員長,我剛才其實我是要針對我的選區的AI,AI的一個機器人的一個未來的一個發展的展望。\n\n00:59.949 --> 01:25.416\n然後跟你做探討那可是我實在是聽不下去了我覺得這個武黨級的高軍委員講這個進華補償實在是講得太離譜太離譜了所以在這裡我首先先請教院長就是進華補償從105年他開始發放就是用原民會的公務預算跟基金各辦的一個編列來支應是不是\n\n01:27.481 --> 01:39.777\n委員講得正確不過容許我借委員的30秒鐘我要向韓院長表示剛剛我們在這裡聽到了一場不對稱的質詢不對稱的質詢高級委員用很多\n\n01:40.950 --> 01:57.759\n不適時的內容來攻擊行政院讓行政院的官員沒有辦法答詢我剛剛實在想起來表示我的抗議但是我基於意識的和諧我只現在向韓院長表示我內心的感受我希望這種不對稱的質詢也不要成為慣例\n\n01:58.900 --> 02:16.054\n那委員所說的沒有錯我們過去對於禁法補償我從來沒有說過行政院從來沒有表示過它是一個違憲的它是一部法律但法律修訂的過程要依照各種修法的相關程序來做只要依照程序做行政院絕對依法執行\n\n02:16.482 --> 02:33.270\n好院長原民會的轉型正義一直就是我們民進黨不管從小英總統到賴清德總統一直都是我們民進黨在執政的一個最重要的政策這是不是我們向來最重要的一個就是轉型正義的一個目標\n\n02:34.806 --> 02:50.480\n從2000年民進黨陳水扁總統執政以後我們對原住民族的關心從歷史上歷歷可見所有的存在的事實到現在還持續在發展跟壯大之中以後我們也會這樣做是謝謝那院長是不是進化補償\n\n02:51.741 --> 03:20.531\n是不是陳儒就是其他藍白的委員講到了我們完全都沒有編列這樣的一個公務預算也不能用基金來撥補是不是這樣子有道理今天不管4萬2萬還是3萬3萬我們到底有沒有編我們到底會不會給他們他現在都帶風向說我們不會給那個原住民這一些那個我們的市民有這些經費到底有沒有\n\n03:20.942 --> 03:35.547\n修法之前進法補償編列3萬元修法的過程行政院曾經表示過如果能夠提升到4萬元我們願意來接受這樣的結果但是編了6萬元卻沒有指出\n\n03:35.947 --> 03:36.367\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n03:55.774 --> 03:55.794\n賴惠員\n\n04:25.814 --> 04:26.775\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n04:45.484 --> 04:46.084\n請交通部長、國發會主委備詢。\n\n05:07.915 --> 05:28.954\n跟院長探討我們整體來講就是說在總統的一個文告裡頭有特別提出來就是整體我們那個智慧科技大南方那個生態系的一個發展那在這裡我要跟院長做個探討就是在10月16號我有邀請到我們台南市政府\n\n05:29.514 --> 05:30.234\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n05:57.602 --> 05:59.323\n這是我們科技預算總數我們智慧科技大南方產業生產區的確有編了\n\n06:23.913 --> 06:51.426\n對,就是那個我們的智慧科技那個南方產業的一個生態系裡頭我們有特別編了這樣的一筆一千多億的一個預算這是科技預算的總數對,科技預算的總數那所以就是說我們盤點了那天我們在會議上我們也去盤點了就是說如何把這一個科技S狼帶就是說你從就是我整個就是在嘉義縣然後一直延伸過來到\n\n06:53.007 --> 07:18.687\n新營、南科、台南、高雄、屏東、喬科、屏東就是缺了我這一塊,院長缺了我這一塊那我們其實就是六甲公園院、南院在我的選區裡頭其實那個地方有很多很多優秀的人才因為在早期我們的晶片其實也是從公園院研發出來的\n\n07:19.428 --> 07:20.109\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n07:39.224 --> 08:07.182\n那我有五個水庫在那個地方所以各種生態各種條件其實我已經具備了最好的一個條件所以我要請院長全力的支持我尤其在我這麼好的一個人才公園院在我這個選區裡頭我希望它其實是足夠很好的條件可以達到就是一個AI機器人的研發產業中心在我那個地方然後附帶的我們知道就是說\n\n08:08.163 --> 08:34.794\n整體來講就是這個整個產區的發展、研發跟生產那我還有一個柳科第三期這個是很快不超過15分鐘這個生產的一個基地就在那個地方所以我很希望就是院長可以有一個時間到我這個地方來就是實際的一個考察你會覺得沒有任何一個地方比我這個地方條件更好\n\n08:36.483 --> 09:03.211\n報告委員我們在均衡台灣的整體規劃當中六大區域治理的計畫裡面大南方計畫這是一個完整的計畫那國發會已經在就內部的這個產業跟生活面做比較詳細的一個細部規劃那科技的部分國客會一直對我們沙崙為主的整個大S廊帶有相當完整的一個構想那明年開始我們就會初步的提出一些\n\n09:04.051 --> 09:25.087\n有經費有期程的一些工作時間工作內容那一步一步會把它納進來那將來在國發會的整個區域治理計畫當中剛剛委員所提的這個部分如果原來在計畫裡面我們當然會照計畫走如果是周遭為了帶動周遭的整個連體連帶的一個發展我們會請國發會再來審慎的地方看那我有機會我們也到現場再去看\n\n09:28.921 --> 09:48.552\n好,謝謝院長。我想我在這裡要特別感謝我們的國會主委,還有我們的國科會主委,他們其實為了這個議題,他們也下了很多的研究的功夫。事實上,我想他們,我希望他們再跟你做完整的一個專案的報告。\n\n09:49.392 --> 09:51.413\n謝謝,謝謝院長那接著跟院長再來討論交通的問題我想這個\n\n10:15.376 --> 10:38.661\n因應國際的七四交通運輸研究所他透過了一個建議就是說透過發展公共運輸系統我們希望達到2050年的淨零排碳請問院長你認同這樣子的一個計畫嗎?2050年的淨零排碳是全世界的目標那我們逐步在往這個方向在前進我們也設定了2030、2032每年逐年應該達到的一個標準\n\n10:42.964 --> 11:03.875\n是,那我們從那個就是交通部的那個應援所裡頭他所做的一個那個特別的一個規劃裡頭我們看到了就是說三大策略裡頭其實他把最重要的一個發展公共運輸系統加強運輸需求的管理他把列為就是最重要的一個指標性的\n\n11:04.335 --> 11:04.676\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n11:21.397 --> 11:23.558\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．賴惠員二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．賴惠員\n\n11:51.167 --> 11:51.827\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n12:18.472 --> 12:39.071\n這個部長看到我就在笑了,我就是要一直講,一直講,讓你看到我就哭起台37。對,看到你就想到台37,沒錯。我想這個台37的延伸對我們新營,對在未來就是我們產業發展,就是說對南科也有很大的一個發展,一個重要性。還有新營車站太老舊了。\n\n12:39.992 --> 12:58.038\n新營車站的一個老舊,我就是在之前林佳龍部長的時候也謝謝部長的一個支持,他支持我新營車站的一個大更新。那這個計畫我們希望再逐步去進行。那接著就是要跟那個院長來討論這個台鐵他老舊的車廂的一個汰換。\n\n13:02.609 --> 13:25.318\n我們常常接到就是我們的辦公室常常會接到就是我們新營的通車組那我們的通勤組他其實就是往南往南他就是到台南去上班往北的話就是到嘉義那你知道就是說在這幾個幾個這個通勤的部分的時候我們發現就是我們的幾關號太老舊\n\n13:26.986 --> 13:43.748\n幾關號太老舊我想我自己也嘗試去做過那個冷氣好像真的是不冷後來我問了交通部他們告訴我說我說你們平常冷氣是開了幾度他們跟我講說那個大概是\n\n13:44.908 --> 14:10.057\n二十六到二十七,那你想一想一個老舊的一個車廂,然後你的冷氣,這個溫度又是這麼差,然後是不是需要鈦換了?那我們整體來講,就是那個舉官號鈦舊換新,從自強區間那個區間塊的一個接替,我們希望提升它的品質啊。\n\n14:10.657 --> 14:11.337\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n14:28.988 --> 14:51.179\n所以在這裡我特別提出來就是說我的這個區間車還有我的這個舉光號還有我的志強號這些老舊的一個這個交通運具公共的一個運具是不是應該適當的把它泰新是報告委員在舉光號的部分確實已經滿老舊了我們從111年就開始在汰換一些\n\n14:51.704 --> 14:52.084\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n15:07.449 --> 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，是這樣的，會排擠到。"],["賴委員惠員：當然是啊！所以我就不知道高金是在說什麼，都沒有聽懂！好，你請回，謝謝。","接著我邀請國發會主委，還有交通部部長。"],["主席：麻煩請交通部長、國發會主委備詢。"],["賴委員惠員：接著要跟院長探討的是，總統的文告裡有特別提出完整智慧科技大南方生態系的一個整體發展，在這裡，我要跟院長做個探討，10月16號我有邀請臺南市政府、國科會及國發會共同研議大新營發展的規劃，我知道國科會在預算部分，特別匡列了「一般科技」預算1,467億，要做智慧科技大南方的生產計畫，請問，是不是有這樣的計畫呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：請國科會主委說明。"],["吳主任委員誠文：是的，賴委員。"],["賴委員惠員：對，主委，我們盤點了以後，發現就是……"],["吳主任委員誠文：這是我們科技預算的總數，而智慧科技大南方產業生態系部分的確是有編列了。"],["賴委員惠員：對，就是那個智慧科技大南方生態系計畫，我們特別編了一筆一千多億的預算，對不對？"],["吳主任委員誠文：這是科技預算的總數啦！"],["賴委員惠員：對，科技預算的總數，所以那天我們在會議上也盤點了這個S科技廊帶，就是整個從嘉義縣一直延伸過來到新營、到南科……"],["吳主任委員誠文：臺南、高雄到屏東。"],["賴委員惠員：對，到橋科，再到屏東，就是缺了我們這一塊，院長，缺了我們這一塊，其實工研院南院在六甲，就在我的選區裡，那個地方有很多很多優秀的人才，因為早期我們的晶片其實也是從工研院研發出來的。有了人才，又有最好的交通，那裡的交通涵蓋國三的3個交流道，包括六甲交流道、新營交流道及柳營交流道，交通是便利的，另外還有5個水庫在那個地方，所以各種生態、各種條件，都顯示我們已經具備了最好的條件，所以我要請院長全力支持我，尤其擁有這麼好人才的工研院也在我的選區裡，所以它是有足夠的條件達到成為AI機器人研發產業中心，附帶的是，就整體產區發展、研發跟生產來講，我們那邊還有一個柳科第三期，不超過15分鐘車程，生產的基地就在那個地方，所以我很希望院長可以安排時間到這個地方來進行實際的考察，你會覺得沒有任何一個地方比這個地方條件更好。"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，我們在均衡臺灣的整體規劃當中，六大區域治理計畫裡面的大南方計畫，這是一個完整的計畫，國發會已經就內部的產業跟生活面做比較詳盡的細部規劃。至於科技的部分，國科會一直對以沙崙為主的整個大S廊帶有相當完整的構想。從明年開始，我們就會初步提出一些有經費、有期程的工作時間和工作內容，一步一步會把它納進來。將來在國發會的整個區域治理計畫當中，剛剛委員所提的這個部分，如果原來在計畫裡面，我們當然會照計畫走，如果是為了帶動周遭整個連帶的發展，我們會請國發會再來審慎的到地方去看看，我有機會也會再到現場去看。"],["賴委員惠員：好，謝謝院長。我在這裡要特別感謝國發會主委以及國科會主委，其實他們為了這個議題也下了很多的研究功夫，我希望他們能夠再跟你做完整的專案報告。其實我們的條件非常周全，在整個經濟、科技產業的能量裡頭，雖然北臺南是最慢發展的，可是它絕對有最好的條件，謝謝院長。","接著想再跟院長討論交通的問題，因應國際的趨勢，交通運輸研究所提出一個建議，就是透過發展公共運輸系統，我們希望達到2050年的淨零排碳。請問院長，你認同這樣子的計畫嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：2050年的淨零排碳是全世界的目標，我們逐步在往這個方向前進，我們也設定了2030、2032每年逐年應該達到的標準。"],["賴委員惠員：是，我們從交通部運研所所做的一個特別規劃當中看到了三大策略，其實它把發展公共運輸系統、加強運輸需求的管理列為最重要的指標性計畫來推動，我在這裡再特別跟院長及部長做一個探討，我們每兩年就會做一次大眾運輸報告，根據「111年民眾日常使用運具狀況調查摘要分析」這一份報告書，這很慘啊！我們臺南是敬陪末座，在全臺灣倒數第七，六都墊底，為什麼？所有統計出來就是我們的公共運輸條件是最差的，臺北市還達到37.2%，新北市是28.7%，臺南卻只有4.8%，臺南整體公共交通的發展其實面臨到一個很大的困境，為什麼？本席在這裡提出三點議題要請求院長及交通部長來協助，針對台37線延伸到新營……我發現部長看到我就在笑了，我就是要一直講、一直講，讓你看到我就想起台37。"],["陳部長世凱：對，看到你就想到台37線沒錯。"],["賴委員惠員：台37的延伸對新營、對未來我們的產業發展、對南科的發展都很具重要性，還有新營車站太老舊了，關於新營車站老舊的問題，在之前林佳龍部長的時候，也謝謝部長的支持，他支持新營車站的大更新，這個計畫我們希望再逐步去進行。","接著要跟院長討論臺鐵老舊車廂的汰換，本席辦公室常常接到新營通車族的陳情，這些通勤族往南是到臺南去上班，往北的話就是到嘉義。針對這幾個通勤的部分，我們發現我們的莒光號太老舊，我自己也嘗試去坐過，冷氣好像真的不冷，後來我問交通部他們平常冷氣是開幾度，他們跟我講，大概是26到27度。你想一想，一個老舊的車廂，然後冷氣的溫度又是這麼差，是不是需要汰換了？整體來講，我們希望莒光號能夠汰舊換新，以自強、區間快接替，來提升它的品質。尤其我們知道臺鐵整體購置跟汰換車輛的計畫在104年到113年有一筆很大的經費，明年還編列了30億，這30億裡頭，你們希望把這個計畫延伸到2027年。所以在這裡我特別提出來，區間車、莒光號、還有自強號這些老舊的交通公共運具是不是應該適當地汰舊換新？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，莒光號的部分確實已經滿老舊了，我們從111年就開始在汰換一些比較舊的部分，目前還有175輛自動門的莒光號，我們預計在116年之前逐步來汰換，儘量都換成EMU3000，也就是新的自強號，還有EMU900，也就是新的通勤電車。您一直在爭取新營站要多停一些新的通勤電車跟新的自強號，這個部分我們也納入評估，已經在溝通當中、在討論當中了，希望未來整個新營站有更多新式的列車可以來停靠。"],["賴委員惠員：部長，我想再請教你一下，台37線延伸到新營的可行性評估到底什麼時候可以做？"],["陳部長世凱：我們目前跟嘉義縣政府、還有臺南市政府兩邊正在溝通當中，等我們想出一個比較好的方案的時候，我們就會進行可行性評估，到時候再跟委員報告。"],["賴委員惠員：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝賴惠員，謝謝。"],["賴委員惠員：謝謝院長。"],["主席：那個3秒鐘還給你了，賴委員，特別報告一下。謝謝卓院長、部會首長的備詢。","接下來請登記第34號楊瓊瓔委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":226,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-7","speakers":["韓國瑜","張智倫","麥玉珍","鍾佳濱","羅智強","王定宇","牛煦庭","劉建國","羅廷瑋","賴瑞隆","賴士葆","邱志偉","徐欣瑩","郭國文","邱鎮軍","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","謝衣鳯","郭昱晴","高金素梅","賴惠員","楊瓊瓔","林楚茵","王美惠"],"page_start":125,"meetingDate":["2024-11-05"],"gazette_id":"1138801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138801_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第7次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「114年\n度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─\n詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1138801_00004"}}}