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00:02:30,729\n中央政府預算的報告案當中我們除了指出預算編製的過程裡面的重點之外我們特別把大家所關心的進法補償、健保點數跟公糧收購特別用了相當的篇幅做了文字的說明那這個說明就代表行政院最終的立場也是我們唯一的原則那其他的\n\n7\n00:02:31,889 --> 00:02:32,950\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵\n\n8\n00:02:52,888 --> 00:03:13,695\n進法補償這一項,我容許我再次的強調,只要未來雙方在憲法70條的精神底下,在預算法90條,就是立法院在審查法案的時候,對於增加稅出,要跟行政院徵詢意見,更重要的是要彌補資金之來源。\n\n9\n00:03:16,883 --> 00:03:19,665\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵\n\n10\n00:03:41,843 --> 00:03:43,344\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n11\n00:04:02,150 --> 00:04:22,669\n前面的原則定好之後以後面這個方式來做解決那未來兩院之間就基於這樣的共識這樣的互相的尊重行政院尊重立法院的審議權立法院尊重行政院的預算權我們就能夠好好的從預算法案各方面來聯手創造更多福國利民的政策\n\n12\n00:04:23,449 --> 00:04:44,037\n為什麼本席願意花將近5分鐘的時間讓院長完整來陳述那就是我覺得在這個議事殿堂當中我身為最後一棒因為等一下也不確定到底朝野黨團經過協商之後在我10分鐘之後的質詢預算能不能真的復為但是至少我們不要再被\n\n13\n00:04:45,744 --> 00:05:03,420\n斷章取義行政院沒有不發禁法補償只是在編列的過程中必須兩院有一定的智慧讓它合法來進行這是國家不論是立法或行政當中非常重要的一個過程所以我這樣的詮釋對嗎院長\n\n14\n00:05:04,881 --> 00:05:18,095\n完全正確謝謝委員好那因為本席是來自於媒體非常的關注的當然就是媒體的一些報導我們知道其實台灣歷經了山陀鵝然後再來是康瑞接下來銀杏颱風也要來了\n\n15\n00:05:20,498 --> 00:05:47,095\n那本席特別看了這幾天的報導就會發現說其實各地的風災確實都造成了農損院長可以看一下從這個康瑞的農損高達2.3億這是雲林縣政府然後呢包括二期水稻也有將近7億的農損宜蘭呢也有這個農民親自跟我們的賴清德總統來做呼籲希望能夠進行補貼包括\n\n16\n00:05:49,116 --> 00:05:50,416\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵\n\n17\n00:06:08,809 --> 00:06:26,678\n所有的受損的農民也沒有再分顏色其實大家期望的就是希望中央能夠給予補助那麼今天已經來到了11月5號我想問的是說那麼今年在農損的補助上面我們的預算充足嗎因為眼看銀杏台風又要來了\n\n18\n00:06:28,690 --> 00:06:36,474\n農業部的災損金已經全部用完了我請部長報告我跟委員報告齁我們年度編列的那個天然災害災損金是27.1億但是因為\n\n19\n00:06:40,923 --> 00:07:03,382\n氣候變遷的關係其實從年初到包括這個三個颱風已經超過100項的災損的公報所以我們缺了大概56億那56億的部分大概也跟行政院報行政院獲得同意所以我們現在今年度的整個的天然災害的預算是83.14億可以足夠應付到年底\n\n20\n00:07:04,462 --> 00:07:19,071\n所以言下之意就是只能到年底如果現在114年的總預算趕快復為的話因為現在極端氣候也不知道這個天氣的變化天象變化會如何其實各縣市的農民們\n\n21\n00:07:19,932 --> 00:07:47,830\n都眼巴巴的希望政府能夠提供補助不論是總統或院長其實這幾天到民間都聽到了這樣的呼喚但是本席特別整理了一下就是我們知道總預算卡關但是其實地方可能都在嗷嗷待補我們來追溯一下歷史那就是過去其實總預算通常是在10月就會進行詢答那麼很少到現在11月的那麼也就是說剩下一個多月的時間到底總預算能不能過關呢\n\n22\n00:07:49,051 --> 00:07:57,502\n我們來看一下其實以地方來講剛剛我特別提到了我報紙所整理出來的從桃園、宜蘭、台東、雲林其實執政縣市的都是國民黨的黨籍那我剛剛也講了這個\n\n23\n00:08:05,091 --> 00:08:31,248\n封塞、封損、無情、不分藍綠以現在我們來看的話地方上22個縣市國民黨就超過了14個縣市還有兩席是民眾黨及無黨籍民進黨只有5席耶如果說現在總預算不過關的話很多都說民進黨當家不鬧事但是院長我們看到的是在地方上就是國民黨的\n\n24\n00:08:32,869 --> 00:08:49,606\n縣市首長居多如果接下來總預算再不過關的話其實我也希望趁現在大院最後的6分鐘我質詢完之後就會來針對總預算的附委然後我們來看立法院其實從席次來看\n\n25\n00:08:50,819 --> 00:09:14,168\n也是國民黨占多數雖然國民黨一直喜歡講說當家不鬧事當家不鬧事但是從地方上的執政首長再到立法院的席次多數的都是國民黨啊總預算現在也卡在他們的手上我不知道院長您知不知道今天剛剛星期二我們有程序委員會\n\n26\n00:09:15,208 --> 00:09:36,750\n但是程序委員會依舊沒有決定星期五的程序。星期五現在院會要處理什麼其實是不知道的。而本席呢在6分鐘之後質詢結束我們就要來討論總預算經過了我們這35位朝野立委的詢答之後有沒有機會復委。我想院長今天被問了好幾次。\n\n27\n00:09:37,931 --> 00:09:57,464\n現在聽到這裡,我們也看到其實地方上懇切的希望能夠預算復違。院長,您認為等一下預算復違的機率高嗎?或者是如果預算不復違,當我們看到的是地方不斷的請院長、請總統、請部長能夠給預算、給治水、幫幫忙,那到底要怎麼辦?院長。\n\n28\n00:10:06,139 --> 00:10:34,070\n我看到現場委員一片祥和、其樂融融那等一下應該是會好的發展明年的農業部所拿的這個災損金災害的補助基金明年度編了39.61億元39.61億元將近40億元我們希望它不要用但是天然災害不可能我們願意把它花在最需要的地方最快的速度\n\n29\n00:10:34,912 --> 00:10:57,084\n我再次感謝陳建仁前院長他能夠在去年就合訂了藍綠的電纜地下化而且綠島也在做表示我們的這個公共建設社會案任性是全面性的不分族群、不分地域、不分縣市、不分黨派我希望各位委員能夠支持我們明年還是在這樣的原則底下\n\n30\n00:10:57,924 --> 00:11:24,940\n通過總預算,我們緊緊地為人民做所有復國利民的法案跟政策,希望大家大願能夠支持。好,最後的4分半鐘,我也要幫卓院長跟我們這一次114年度的總預算來做一個說明。為什麼我剛剛一直在講,地方根本就是國民黨執政,因為國民黨的執政縣市超過半數,高達14席,民眾黨有2席,民進黨只有5席。\n\n31\n00:11:27,521 --> 00:11:52,528\n我們在113年度的時候我們的中央政府總預算是有補助地方的這個還不包含昨天在財政委員會上所上演的荒謬鬧劇張偉成、郁真突然間就毀棄了跟各黨團的協商跑去洗來燈然後回來之後就要暗度成章要用擴權法案的方式\n\n32\n00:11:53,288 --> 00:12:12,177\n一樣偷偷摸摸的要偷渡財劃法可是事實上一邊卡總預算一邊要偷渡財劃法其實只是要搞亂我們的財政國家財政我們來看到113年度中央政府編列了2302億元要補助給地方\n\n33\n00:12:15,916 --> 00:12:32,948\n一百一十四年度也有高達兩千五百零一億元要補助給地方所以其實這些都是中央展現對地方的支持對嗎那麼面對像現在其實\n\n34\n00:12:33,729 --> 00:12:34,169\n我們在明年度\n\n35\n00:13:02,401 --> 00:13:31,353\n包括統籌包括一般性的補助給地方的超過一兆總數達到一兆零一百五十一億元同時我們在明年度想要展開的全國六大區域的治理計畫那是跨縣市的而且是連續性的如果沒有一個長遠的計畫沒有一個中央的統籌各縣市實在是無法單獨作業的所以我希望從這兩個角度來看中央會持續加碼給地方所需要的各種照顧\n\n36\n00:13:32,293 --> 00:13:39,778\n本席也特別找了資料就是其實過去這8年來中央給地方的補助是逐年的在做增加而且這8年來有高達了2000多億所以面對\n\n37\n00:14:00,070 --> 00:14:26,459\n國民黨在明天的財政委員會可能要持續的推進才化法那麼院長這裡又怎麼來看因為一手黨中央總預算一手又要用空白授權的方式在水平分配22個縣市在分配標準沒有達到共識的情況底下如果推進院長您認為這對國家財政到底會造成什麼樣的影響\n\n38\n00:14:27,671 --> 00:14:41,873\n我的信念是如果這次向大院報告過中央政府總預算之後能夠順利的復違那表示我們提出的說明也被大家接受了未來大院在討論到財政收支劃分法的時候\n\n39\n00:14:42,765 --> 00:15:07,523\n行政院當然也會非常願意跟大院一起來討論如何強化財政力提升競爭力用這個方式讓所有財政狀況比較不好的縣市能夠在未來行政院統籌底下能夠提升他的財政力這是當前最重要的要務之一我們會朝這個方向來做向大院來據理說明清楚\n\n40\n00:15:08,783 --> 00:15:35,091\n我只希望身為立法委員我們也知道我們的職責在這個預算會期在12月31號就要截止本會期立委最重要的工作就是審預算沒有預算可審的立法院其實就是跟膠著性的空轉其實是沒有兩樣所以我也希望接下來能夠有好結果可以順利附委審查預算謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n970\t22928\t再一次拜託各位委員請輕聲細語楊求英委員楊求英委員質詢結束了小聲一點謝謝楊求英委員你質詢結束了麻煩小聲一點林楚茵請謝謝主席主席邀請我們卓榮泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n30796\t53082\t林委員好院長好 院長辛苦了這個院長我大概是質詢你已經不是第一次但這一次我最緊張因為很少有質詢的時候有這麼多立委同僚在現場所以身兼最後一棒我自己壓力很大但是我們都知道身為立法院立委的職權在這個會期其實就是審總預算但是目前總預算因為還沒有附委\n54683\t79484\t這兩天其實大家都是針對一個編列的形式性來做詢答其實無法進入真正的細節那當然剛剛前面的很多國民黨的委員特別提到的不論是進法補償或者是農糧收購或者是健保的點數其實這些政策的預算都重要沒有不重要的\n79884\t102683\t但是就是在這個編列的過程到底合不合法合不合規我想身為立法委員自己定定法律合法是非常重要的就像行政單位也是一樣的那麼質詢了兩天之後面對在野黨所提出來的疑問因為剛剛有一些委員也不太願意讓院長來多做說明院長我是最後一棒\n103183\t103583\t非常謝謝委員給我這個機會\n126636\t150729\t中央政府預算的報告案當中我們除了指出預算編製的過程裡面的重點之外我們特別把大家所關心的進法補償、健保點數跟公糧收購特別用了相當的篇幅做了文字的說明那這個說明就代表行政院最終的立場也是我們唯一的原則那其他的\n151889\t152950\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵\n172888\t193695\t進法補償這一項,我容許我再次的強調,只要未來雙方在憲法70條的精神底下,在預算法90條,就是立法院在審查法案的時候,對於增加稅出,要跟行政院徵詢意見,更重要的是要彌補資金之來源。\n196883\t199665\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵\n221843\t223344\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n242150\t262669\t前面的原則定好之後以後面這個方式來做解決那未來兩院之間就基於這樣的共識這樣的互相的尊重行政院尊重立法院的審議權立法院尊重行政院的預算權我們就能夠好好的從預算法案各方面來聯手創造更多福國利民的政策\n263449\t284037\t為什麼本席願意花將近5分鐘的時間讓院長完整來陳述那就是我覺得在這個議事殿堂當中我身為最後一棒因為等一下也不確定到底朝野黨團經過協商之後在我10分鐘之後的質詢預算能不能真的復為但是至少我們不要再被\n285744\t303420\t斷章取義行政院沒有不發禁法補償只是在編列的過程中必須兩院有一定的智慧讓它合法來進行這是國家不論是立法或行政當中非常重要的一個過程所以我這樣的詮釋對嗎院長\n304881\t318095\t完全正確謝謝委員好那因為本席是來自於媒體非常的關注的當然就是媒體的一些報導我們知道其實台灣歷經了山陀鵝然後再來是康瑞接下來銀杏颱風也要來了\n320498\t347095\t那本席特別看了這幾天的報導就會發現說其實各地的風災確實都造成了農損院長可以看一下從這個康瑞的農損高達2.3億這是雲林縣政府然後呢包括二期水稻也有將近7億的農損宜蘭呢也有這個農民親自跟我們的賴清德總統來做呼籲希望能夠進行補貼包括\n349116\t350416\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵\n368809\t386678\t所有的受損的農民也沒有再分顏色其實大家期望的就是希望中央能夠給予補助那麼今天已經來到了11月5號我想問的是說那麼今年在農損的補助上面我們的預算充足嗎因為眼看銀杏台風又要來了\n388690\t396474\t農業部的災損金已經全部用完了我請部長報告我跟委員報告齁我們年度編列的那個天然災害災損金是27.1億但是因為\n400923\t423382\t氣候變遷的關係其實從年初到包括這個三個颱風已經超過100項的災損的公報所以我們缺了大概56億那56億的部分大概也跟行政院報行政院獲得同意所以我們現在今年度的整個的天然災害的預算是83.14億可以足夠應付到年底\n424462\t439071\t所以言下之意就是只能到年底如果現在114年的總預算趕快復為的話因為現在極端氣候也不知道這個天氣的變化天象變化會如何其實各縣市的農民們\n439932\t467830\t都眼巴巴的希望政府能夠提供補助不論是總統或院長其實這幾天到民間都聽到了這樣的呼喚但是本席特別整理了一下就是我們知道總預算卡關但是其實地方可能都在嗷嗷待補我們來追溯一下歷史那就是過去其實總預算通常是在10月就會進行詢答那麼很少到現在11月的那麼也就是說剩下一個多月的時間到底總預算能不能過關呢\n469051\t477502\t我們來看一下其實以地方來講剛剛我特別提到了我報紙所整理出來的從桃園、宜蘭、台東、雲林其實執政縣市的都是國民黨的黨籍那我剛剛也講了這個\n485091\t511248\t封塞、封損、無情、不分藍綠以現在我們來看的話地方上22個縣市國民黨就超過了14個縣市還有兩席是民眾黨及無黨籍民進黨只有5席耶如果說現在總預算不過關的話很多都說民進黨當家不鬧事但是院長我們看到的是在地方上就是國民黨的\n512869\t529606\t縣市首長居多如果接下來總預算再不過關的話其實我也希望趁現在大院最後的6分鐘我質詢完之後就會來針對總預算的附委然後我們來看立法院其實從席次來看\n530819\t554168\t也是國民黨占多數雖然國民黨一直喜歡講說當家不鬧事當家不鬧事但是從地方上的執政首長再到立法院的席次多數的都是國民黨啊總預算現在也卡在他們的手上我不知道院長您知不知道今天剛剛星期二我們有程序委員會\n555208\t576750\t但是程序委員會依舊沒有決定星期五的程序。星期五現在院會要處理什麼其實是不知道的。而本席呢在6分鐘之後質詢結束我們就要來討論總預算經過了我們這35位朝野立委的詢答之後有沒有機會復委。我想院長今天被問了好幾次。\n577931\t597464\t現在聽到這裡,我們也看到其實地方上懇切的希望能夠預算復違。院長,您認為等一下預算復違的機率高嗎?或者是如果預算不復違,當我們看到的是地方不斷的請院長、請總統、請部長能夠給預算、給治水、幫幫忙,那到底要怎麼辦?院長。\n606139\t634070\t我看到現場委員一片祥和、其樂融融那等一下應該是會好的發展明年的農業部所拿的這個災損金災害的補助基金明年度編了39.61億元39.61億元將近40億元我們希望它不要用但是天然災害不可能我們願意把它花在最需要的地方最快的速度\n634912\t657084\t我再次感謝陳建仁前院長他能夠在去年就合訂了藍綠的電纜地下化而且綠島也在做表示我們的這個公共建設社會案任性是全面性的不分族群、不分地域、不分縣市、不分黨派我希望各位委員能夠支持我們明年還是在這樣的原則底下\n657924\t684940\t通過總預算,我們緊緊地為人民做所有復國利民的法案跟政策,希望大家大願能夠支持。好,最後的4分半鐘,我也要幫卓院長跟我們這一次114年度的總預算來做一個說明。為什麼我剛剛一直在講,地方根本就是國民黨執政,因為國民黨的執政縣市超過半數,高達14席,民眾黨有2席,民進黨只有5席。\n687521\t712528\t我們在113年度的時候我們的中央政府總預算是有補助地方的這個還不包含昨天在財政委員會上所上演的荒謬鬧劇張偉成、郁真突然間就毀棄了跟各黨團的協商跑去洗來燈然後回來之後就要暗度成章要用擴權法案的方式\n713288\t732177\t一樣偷偷摸摸的要偷渡財劃法可是事實上一邊卡總預算一邊要偷渡財劃法其實只是要搞亂我們的財政國家財政我們來看到113年度中央政府編列了2302億元要補助給地方\n735916\t752948\t一百一十四年度也有高達兩千五百零一億元要補助給地方所以其實這些都是中央展現對地方的支持對嗎那麼面對像現在其實\n753729\t754169\t我們在明年度\n782401\t811353\t包括統籌包括一般性的補助給地方的超過一兆總數達到一兆零一百五十一億元同時我們在明年度想要展開的全國六大區域的治理計畫那是跨縣市的而且是連續性的如果沒有一個長遠的計畫沒有一個中央的統籌各縣市實在是無法單獨作業的所以我希望從這兩個角度來看中央會持續加碼給地方所需要的各種照顧\n812293\t819778\t本席也特別找了資料就是其實過去這8年來中央給地方的補助是逐年的在做增加而且這8年來有高達了2000多億所以面對\n840070\t866459\t國民黨在明天的財政委員會可能要持續的推進才化法那麼院長這裡又怎麼來看因為一手黨中央總預算一手又要用空白授權的方式在水平分配22個縣市在分配標準沒有達到共識的情況底下如果推進院長您認為這對國家財政到底會造成什麼樣的影響\n867671\t881873\t我的信念是如果這次向大院報告過中央政府總預算之後能夠順利的復違那表示我們提出的說明也被大家接受了未來大院在討論到財政收支劃分法的時候\n882765\t907523\t行政院當然也會非常願意跟大院一起來討論如何強化財政力提升競爭力用這個方式讓所有財政狀況比較不好的縣市能夠在未來行政院統籌底下能夠提升他的財政力這是當前最重要的要務之一我們會朝這個方向來做向大院來據理說明清楚\n908783\t935091\t我只希望身為立法委員我們也知道我們的職責在這個預算會期在12月31號就要截止本會期立委最重要的工作就是審預算沒有預算可審的立法院其實就是跟膠著性的空轉其實是沒有兩樣所以我也希望接下來能夠有好結果可以順利附委審查預算謝謝\n","txt":"再一次拜託各位委員請輕聲細語楊求英委員楊求英委員質詢結束了小聲一點謝謝楊求英委員你質詢結束了麻煩小聲一點林楚茵請謝謝主席主席邀請我們卓榮泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n林委員好院長好 院長辛苦了這個院長我大概是質詢你已經不是第一次但這一次我最緊張因為很少有質詢的時候有這麼多立委同僚在現場所以身兼最後一棒我自己壓力很大但是我們都知道身為立法院立委的職權在這個會期其實就是審總預算但是目前總預算因為還沒有附委\n這兩天其實大家都是針對一個編列的形式性來做詢答其實無法進入真正的細節那當然剛剛前面的很多國民黨的委員特別提到的不論是進法補償或者是農糧收購或者是健保的點數其實這些政策的預算都重要沒有不重要的\n但是就是在這個編列的過程到底合不合法合不合規我想身為立法委員自己定定法律合法是非常重要的就像行政單位也是一樣的那麼質詢了兩天之後面對在野黨所提出來的疑問因為剛剛有一些委員也不太願意讓院長來多做說明院長我是最後一棒\n非常謝謝委員給我這個機會\n中央政府預算的報告案當中我們除了指出預算編製的過程裡面的重點之外我們特別把大家所關心的進法補償、健保點數跟公糧收購特別用了相當的篇幅做了文字的說明那這個說明就代表行政院最終的立場也是我們唯一的原則那其他的\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵\n進法補償這一項,我容許我再次的強調,只要未來雙方在憲法70條的精神底下,在預算法90條,就是立法院在審查法案的時候,對於增加稅出,要跟行政院徵詢意見,更重要的是要彌補資金之來源。\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n前面的原則定好之後以後面這個方式來做解決那未來兩院之間就基於這樣的共識這樣的互相的尊重行政院尊重立法院的審議權立法院尊重行政院的預算權我們就能夠好好的從預算法案各方面來聯手創造更多福國利民的政策\n為什麼本席願意花將近5分鐘的時間讓院長完整來陳述那就是我覺得在這個議事殿堂當中我身為最後一棒因為等一下也不確定到底朝野黨團經過協商之後在我10分鐘之後的質詢預算能不能真的復為但是至少我們不要再被\n斷章取義行政院沒有不發禁法補償只是在編列的過程中必須兩院有一定的智慧讓它合法來進行這是國家不論是立法或行政當中非常重要的一個過程所以我這樣的詮釋對嗎院長\n完全正確謝謝委員好那因為本席是來自於媒體非常的關注的當然就是媒體的一些報導我們知道其實台灣歷經了山陀鵝然後再來是康瑞接下來銀杏颱風也要來了\n那本席特別看了這幾天的報導就會發現說其實各地的風災確實都造成了農損院長可以看一下從這個康瑞的農損高達2.3億這是雲林縣政府然後呢包括二期水稻也有將近7億的農損宜蘭呢也有這個農民親自跟我們的賴清德總統來做呼籲希望能夠進行補貼包括\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵\n所有的受損的農民也沒有再分顏色其實大家期望的就是希望中央能夠給予補助那麼今天已經來到了11月5號我想問的是說那麼今年在農損的補助上面我們的預算充足嗎因為眼看銀杏台風又要來了\n農業部的災損金已經全部用完了我請部長報告我跟委員報告齁我們年度編列的那個天然災害災損金是27.1億但是因為\n氣候變遷的關係其實從年初到包括這個三個颱風已經超過100項的災損的公報所以我們缺了大概56億那56億的部分大概也跟行政院報行政院獲得同意所以我們現在今年度的整個的天然災害的預算是83.14億可以足夠應付到年底\n所以言下之意就是只能到年底如果現在114年的總預算趕快復為的話因為現在極端氣候也不知道這個天氣的變化天象變化會如何其實各縣市的農民們\n都眼巴巴的希望政府能夠提供補助不論是總統或院長其實這幾天到民間都聽到了這樣的呼喚但是本席特別整理了一下就是我們知道總預算卡關但是其實地方可能都在嗷嗷待補我們來追溯一下歷史那就是過去其實總預算通常是在10月就會進行詢答那麼很少到現在11月的那麼也就是說剩下一個多月的時間到底總預算能不能過關呢\n我們來看一下其實以地方來講剛剛我特別提到了我報紙所整理出來的從桃園、宜蘭、台東、雲林其實執政縣市的都是國民黨的黨籍那我剛剛也講了這個\n封塞、封損、無情、不分藍綠以現在我們來看的話地方上22個縣市國民黨就超過了14個縣市還有兩席是民眾黨及無黨籍民進黨只有5席耶如果說現在總預算不過關的話很多都說民進黨當家不鬧事但是院長我們看到的是在地方上就是國民黨的\n縣市首長居多如果接下來總預算再不過關的話其實我也希望趁現在大院最後的6分鐘我質詢完之後就會來針對總預算的附委然後我們來看立法院其實從席次來看\n也是國民黨占多數雖然國民黨一直喜歡講說當家不鬧事當家不鬧事但是從地方上的執政首長再到立法院的席次多數的都是國民黨啊總預算現在也卡在他們的手上我不知道院長您知不知道今天剛剛星期二我們有程序委員會\n但是程序委員會依舊沒有決定星期五的程序。星期五現在院會要處理什麼其實是不知道的。而本席呢在6分鐘之後質詢結束我們就要來討論總預算經過了我們這35位朝野立委的詢答之後有沒有機會復委。我想院長今天被問了好幾次。\n現在聽到這裡,我們也看到其實地方上懇切的希望能夠預算復違。院長,您認為等一下預算復違的機率高嗎?或者是如果預算不復違,當我們看到的是地方不斷的請院長、請總統、請部長能夠給預算、給治水、幫幫忙,那到底要怎麼辦?院長。\n我看到現場委員一片祥和、其樂融融那等一下應該是會好的發展明年的農業部所拿的這個災損金災害的補助基金明年度編了39.61億元39.61億元將近40億元我們希望它不要用但是天然災害不可能我們願意把它花在最需要的地方最快的速度\n我再次感謝陳建仁前院長他能夠在去年就合訂了藍綠的電纜地下化而且綠島也在做表示我們的這個公共建設社會案任性是全面性的不分族群、不分地域、不分縣市、不分黨派我希望各位委員能夠支持我們明年還是在這樣的原則底下\n通過總預算,我們緊緊地為人民做所有復國利民的法案跟政策,希望大家大願能夠支持。好,最後的4分半鐘,我也要幫卓院長跟我們這一次114年度的總預算來做一個說明。為什麼我剛剛一直在講,地方根本就是國民黨執政,因為國民黨的執政縣市超過半數,高達14席,民眾黨有2席,民進黨只有5席。\n我們在113年度的時候我們的中央政府總預算是有補助地方的這個還不包含昨天在財政委員會上所上演的荒謬鬧劇張偉成、郁真突然間就毀棄了跟各黨團的協商跑去洗來燈然後回來之後就要暗度成章要用擴權法案的方式\n一樣偷偷摸摸的要偷渡財劃法可是事實上一邊卡總預算一邊要偷渡財劃法其實只是要搞亂我們的財政國家財政我們來看到113年度中央政府編列了2302億元要補助給地方\n一百一十四年度也有高達兩千五百零一億元要補助給地方所以其實這些都是中央展現對地方的支持對嗎那麼面對像現在其實\n我們在明年度\n包括統籌包括一般性的補助給地方的超過一兆總數達到一兆零一百五十一億元同時我們在明年度想要展開的全國六大區域的治理計畫那是跨縣市的而且是連續性的如果沒有一個長遠的計畫沒有一個中央的統籌各縣市實在是無法單獨作業的所以我希望從這兩個角度來看中央會持續加碼給地方所需要的各種照顧\n本席也特別找了資料就是其實過去這8年來中央給地方的補助是逐年的在做增加而且這8年來有高達了2000多億所以面對\n國民黨在明天的財政委員會可能要持續的推進才化法那麼院長這裡又怎麼來看因為一手黨中央總預算一手又要用空白授權的方式在水平分配22個縣市在分配標準沒有達到共識的情況底下如果推進院長您認為這對國家財政到底會造成什麼樣的影響\n我的信念是如果這次向大院報告過中央政府總預算之後能夠順利的復違那表示我們提出的說明也被大家接受了未來大院在討論到財政收支劃分法的時候\n行政院當然也會非常願意跟大院一起來討論如何強化財政力提升競爭力用這個方式讓所有財政狀況比較不好的縣市能夠在未來行政院統籌底下能夠提升他的財政力這是當前最重要的要務之一我們會朝這個方向來做向大院來據理說明清楚\n我只希望身為立法委員我們也知道我們的職責在這個預算會期在12月31號就要截止本會期立委最重要的工作就是審預算沒有預算可審的立法院其實就是跟膠著性的空轉其實是沒有兩樣所以我也希望接下來能夠有好結果可以順利附委審查預算謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.970 --> 00:22.928\n再一次拜託各位委員請輕聲細語楊求英委員楊求英委員質詢結束了小聲一點謝謝楊求英委員你質詢結束了麻煩小聲一點林楚茵請謝謝主席主席邀請我們卓榮泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n\n00:30.796 --> 00:53.082\n林委員好院長好院長辛苦了這個院長我大概是質詢你已經不是第一次但這一次我最緊張因為很少有質詢的時候有這麼多立委同僚在現場所以身兼最後一棒我自己壓力很大但是我們都知道身為立法院立委的職權在這個會期其實就是審總預算但是目前總預算因為還沒有附委\n\n00:54.683 --> 01:19.484\n這兩天其實大家都是針對一個編列的形式性來做詢答其實無法進入真正的細節那當然剛剛前面的很多國民黨的委員特別提到的不論是進法補償或者是農糧收購或者是健保的點數其實這些政策的預算都重要沒有不重要的\n\n01:19.884 --> 01:42.683\n但是就是在這個編列的過程到底合不合法合不合規我想身為立法委員自己定定法律合法是非常重要的就像行政單位也是一樣的那麼質詢了兩天之後面對在野黨所提出來的疑問因為剛剛有一些委員也不太願意讓院長來多做說明院長我是最後一棒\n\n01:43.183 --> 01:43.583\n非常謝謝委員給我這個機會\n\n02:06.636 --> 02:30.729\n中央政府預算的報告案當中我們除了指出預算編製的過程裡面的重點之外我們特別把大家所關心的進法補償、健保點數跟公糧收購特別用了相當的篇幅做了文字的說明那這個說明就代表行政院最終的立場也是我們唯一的原則那其他的\n\n02:31.889 --> 02:32.950\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵\n\n02:52.888 --> 03:13.695\n進法補償這一項,我容許我再次的強調,只要未來雙方在憲法70條的精神底下,在預算法90條,就是立法院在審查法案的時候,對於增加稅出,要跟行政院徵詢意見,更重要的是要彌補資金之來源。\n\n03:16.883 --> 03:19.665\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵\n\n03:41.843 --> 03:43.344\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n04:02.150 --> 04:22.669\n前面的原則定好之後以後面這個方式來做解決那未來兩院之間就基於這樣的共識這樣的互相的尊重行政院尊重立法院的審議權立法院尊重行政院的預算權我們就能夠好好的從預算法案各方面來聯手創造更多福國利民的政策\n\n04:23.449 --> 04:44.037\n為什麼本席願意花將近5分鐘的時間讓院長完整來陳述那就是我覺得在這個議事殿堂當中我身為最後一棒因為等一下也不確定到底朝野黨團經過協商之後在我10分鐘之後的質詢預算能不能真的復為但是至少我們不要再被\n\n04:45.744 --> 05:03.420\n斷章取義行政院沒有不發禁法補償只是在編列的過程中必須兩院有一定的智慧讓它合法來進行這是國家不論是立法或行政當中非常重要的一個過程所以我這樣的詮釋對嗎院長\n\n05:04.881 --> 05:18.095\n完全正確謝謝委員好那因為本席是來自於媒體非常的關注的當然就是媒體的一些報導我們知道其實台灣歷經了山陀鵝然後再來是康瑞接下來銀杏颱風也要來了\n\n05:20.498 --> 05:47.095\n那本席特別看了這幾天的報導就會發現說其實各地的風災確實都造成了農損院長可以看一下從這個康瑞的農損高達2.3億這是雲林縣政府然後呢包括二期水稻也有將近7億的農損宜蘭呢也有這個農民親自跟我們的賴清德總統來做呼籲希望能夠進行補貼包括\n\n05:49.116 --> 05:50.416\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．林楚茵\n\n06:08.809 --> 06:26.678\n所有的受損的農民也沒有再分顏色其實大家期望的就是希望中央能夠給予補助那麼今天已經來到了11月5號我想問的是說那麼今年在農損的補助上面我們的預算充足嗎因為眼看銀杏台風又要來了\n\n06:28.690 --> 06:36.474\n農業部的災損金已經全部用完了我請部長報告我跟委員報告齁我們年度編列的那個天然災害災損金是27.1億但是因為\n\n06:40.923 --> 07:03.382\n氣候變遷的關係其實從年初到包括這個三個颱風已經超過100項的災損的公報所以我們缺了大概56億那56億的部分大概也跟行政院報行政院獲得同意所以我們現在今年度的整個的天然災害的預算是83.14億可以足夠應付到年底\n\n07:04.462 --> 07:19.071\n所以言下之意就是只能到年底如果現在114年的總預算趕快復為的話因為現在極端氣候也不知道這個天氣的變化天象變化會如何其實各縣市的農民們\n\n07:19.932 --> 07:47.830\n都眼巴巴的希望政府能夠提供補助不論是總統或院長其實這幾天到民間都聽到了這樣的呼喚但是本席特別整理了一下就是我們知道總預算卡關但是其實地方可能都在嗷嗷待補我們來追溯一下歷史那就是過去其實總預算通常是在10月就會進行詢答那麼很少到現在11月的那麼也就是說剩下一個多月的時間到底總預算能不能過關呢\n\n07:49.051 --> 07:57.502\n我們來看一下其實以地方來講剛剛我特別提到了我報紙所整理出來的從桃園、宜蘭、台東、雲林其實執政縣市的都是國民黨的黨籍那我剛剛也講了這個\n\n08:05.091 --> 08:31.248\n封塞、封損、無情、不分藍綠以現在我們來看的話地方上22個縣市國民黨就超過了14個縣市還有兩席是民眾黨及無黨籍民進黨只有5席耶如果說現在總預算不過關的話很多都說民進黨當家不鬧事但是院長我們看到的是在地方上就是國民黨的\n\n08:32.869 --> 08:49.606\n縣市首長居多如果接下來總預算再不過關的話其實我也希望趁現在大院最後的6分鐘我質詢完之後就會來針對總預算的附委然後我們來看立法院其實從席次來看\n\n08:50.819 --> 09:14.168\n也是國民黨占多數雖然國民黨一直喜歡講說當家不鬧事當家不鬧事但是從地方上的執政首長再到立法院的席次多數的都是國民黨啊總預算現在也卡在他們的手上我不知道院長您知不知道今天剛剛星期二我們有程序委員會\n\n09:15.208 --> 09:36.750\n但是程序委員會依舊沒有決定星期五的程序。星期五現在院會要處理什麼其實是不知道的。而本席呢在6分鐘之後質詢結束我們就要來討論總預算經過了我們這35位朝野立委的詢答之後有沒有機會復委。我想院長今天被問了好幾次。\n\n09:37.931 --> 09:57.464\n現在聽到這裡,我們也看到其實地方上懇切的希望能夠預算復違。院長,您認為等一下預算復違的機率高嗎?或者是如果預算不復違,當我們看到的是地方不斷的請院長、請總統、請部長能夠給預算、給治水、幫幫忙,那到底要怎麼辦?院長。\n\n10:06.139 --> 10:34.070\n我看到現場委員一片祥和、其樂融融那等一下應該是會好的發展明年的農業部所拿的這個災損金災害的補助基金明年度編了39.61億元39.61億元將近40億元我們希望它不要用但是天然災害不可能我們願意把它花在最需要的地方最快的速度\n\n10:34.912 --> 10:57.084\n我再次感謝陳建仁前院長他能夠在去年就合訂了藍綠的電纜地下化而且綠島也在做表示我們的這個公共建設社會案任性是全面性的不分族群、不分地域、不分縣市、不分黨派我希望各位委員能夠支持我們明年還是在這樣的原則底下\n\n10:57.924 --> 11:24.940\n通過總預算,我們緊緊地為人民做所有復國利民的法案跟政策,希望大家大願能夠支持。好,最後的4分半鐘,我也要幫卓院長跟我們這一次114年度的總預算來做一個說明。為什麼我剛剛一直在講,地方根本就是國民黨執政,因為國民黨的執政縣市超過半數,高達14席,民眾黨有2席,民進黨只有5席。\n\n11:27.521 --> 11:52.528\n我們在113年度的時候我們的中央政府總預算是有補助地方的這個還不包含昨天在財政委員會上所上演的荒謬鬧劇張偉成、郁真突然間就毀棄了跟各黨團的協商跑去洗來燈然後回來之後就要暗度成章要用擴權法案的方式\n\n11:53.288 --> 12:12.177\n一樣偷偷摸摸的要偷渡財劃法可是事實上一邊卡總預算一邊要偷渡財劃法其實只是要搞亂我們的財政國家財政我們來看到113年度中央政府編列了2302億元要補助給地方\n\n12:15.916 --> 12:32.948\n一百一十四年度也有高達兩千五百零一億元要補助給地方所以其實這些都是中央展現對地方的支持對嗎那麼面對像現在其實\n\n12:33.729 --> 12:34.169\n我們在明年度\n\n13:02.401 --> 13:31.353\n包括統籌包括一般性的補助給地方的超過一兆總數達到一兆零一百五十一億元同時我們在明年度想要展開的全國六大區域的治理計畫那是跨縣市的而且是連續性的如果沒有一個長遠的計畫沒有一個中央的統籌各縣市實在是無法單獨作業的所以我希望從這兩個角度來看中央會持續加碼給地方所需要的各種照顧\n\n13:32.293 --> 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這麼多立委同僚在現場，所以身兼最後一棒，我自己壓力很大。但是我們都知道，身為立法院立委的職權，在這個會期其實就是審總預算，但是目前總預算因為還沒有付委，這兩天其實大家都是針對一個編列的形式性來做詢答，其實無法進入真正的細節，剛剛前面很多國民黨委員特別提到的，不論是禁伐補償、農糧收購或者是健保點數，其實這些政策的預算都重要，沒有不重要的，但就是編列的過程到底合不合法、合不合規？我想身為立法委員，自己訂定法律，合法是非常重要的，就像行政單位也是一樣的。","那麼質詢了兩天之後，面對在野黨所提出來的疑問，因為剛剛有一些委員也不太願意讓院長多做說明，院長，我是最後一棒，前面有無法、時間上或者是沒有讓您回答的，您認為在預算編列上面到底還有什麼您在詢答中未盡回應的部分，要不要藉這個時間您再來回應一下，就是到底如何來看？"],["卓院長榮泰：非常謝謝委員給我這個機會，事實上，在上一次的中央政府預算報告案當中，我們除了指出預算編制過程裡面的重點之外，我們把大家關心的禁伐補償、健保點數跟公糧收購特別用了相當篇幅做文字說明，這個說明就代表行政院最終的立場，也是我們唯一的原則。其中健保點數跟公糧補助面對的是在審查法案過程當中對行政院的主決議，我們未來會努力提升點數以及用農業部所提出的各項措施來照顧農民的權益。","至於禁伐補償這一項，容許我再次強調，只要雙方未來在憲法第七十條的精神底下，依預算法第九十一條，立法院在審查法案的時候，對於增加歲出要跟行政院徵詢意見，更重要的是，要指名彌補資金之來源，必要時候再去修改相關的法律，只要履行這樣的程序，出來的預算或法案行政院必定遵守。這一次我們認為內容上、過程上有所疏忽，但是我們願意用現在提出的方式，只要大家確立剛剛憲法與法律的原則、精神跟規定，我們現在又願意用基金的方式、二備金的方式，或者是未來追加預算的方式。但究竟用什麼樣的方式，大院裡面的委員都還有不同的意見，所以我看到這麼多委員在現場，我相信、我也期待等一下會有一個協商的過程，我們就把這個方式定下來，行政院在前面的原則定好之後，就願意依後面這種方式來做解決。未來兩院之間就基於這樣的共識、這樣的互相尊重，行政院尊重立法院的審議權、立法院尊重行政院的預算權，我們就能夠好好的從預算、法案各方面來聯手創造更多福國利民的政策！"],["林委員楚茵：為什麼本席願意花將近5分鐘的時間讓院長完整來陳述？我覺得在這個議事殿堂當中，我身為最後一棒，因為等一下也不確定到底朝野黨團經過協商之後，在我10分鐘的質詢之後預算能不能真的付委，但是至少我們不要再被斷章取義，行政院沒有不發禁伐補償，只是在編列的過程中必須兩院有一定的智慧讓它合法來進行，這是國家不論在立法或行政當中非常重要的一個過程，我這樣的詮釋對嗎，院長？"],["卓院長榮泰：完全正確，謝謝委員。"],["林委員楚茵：因為本席來自於媒體，非常關注的當然就是媒體的一些報導，我們知道其實臺灣歷經了山陀兒，然後再來是康芮，接下來銀杏颱風也要來了，本席特別看了這幾天的報導就發現，其實各地的風災確實都造成了農損，院長可以看一下，康芮的農損高達2.3億，這是雲林縣政府；然後包括二期水稻也有將近7億的農損；宜蘭也有農民親自跟賴清德總統呼籲、希望能夠進行補貼；包括桃園、臺東等等。我知道從總統到院長、再到農業部，甚至於交通部，其實這幾天都在進行勘災，這些縣市我不知道院長有沒有發現一個共通點，就是颱風侵襲，不分藍綠，所有遭受損失的農民也沒有在分顏色，其實大家期望的就是希望中央能夠給予補助，今天已經來到了11月5號，我想問的是，今年在農損的補助上面，我們的預算充足嗎？因為眼看銀杏颱風又要來了。"],["卓院長榮泰：農業部的災損金已經全部用完了，我請部長報告。"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，我們年度編列的天然災害災損金是27.1億，但是因為氣候變遷的關係，其實從年初到包括上個颱風，已經超過100項災損的通報，所以我們缺了大概56億，56億的部分大概也報行政院，也獲得行政院同意，所以我們現在今年度整個天然災害的預算是83.14億，足夠應付到年底。"],["林委員楚茵：好，所以言下之意就是只能到年底。"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["林委員楚茵：如果現在114年的總預算不趕快付委的話，因為現在極端氣候，也不知道這個天氣的變化、天象變化會如何，其實各縣市的農民們都眼巴巴的希望政府能夠提供補助，不論是總統或院長這幾天到民間都聽到了這樣的呼喚，但是本席特別整理了一下，我們知道總預算卡關，但是其實地方可能都在嗷嗷待哺，我們來追溯一下歷史，過去總預算通常是在10月就會進行詢答，很少到現在11月的，也就是說剩下一個多月的時間，到底總預算能不能過關呢？我們來看一下，以地方來講，剛剛特別提到了我從報紙所整理出來的，從桃園、宜蘭、臺東、雲林，其實執政縣市的都是國民黨的黨籍，我剛剛也講了風災、風損無情，不分藍綠，現在我們來看的話，地方上22個縣市，國民黨就超過了14個縣市，還有2席是民眾黨以及無黨籍，民進黨只有5席耶！如果說現在總預算不過關的話，很多都說民進黨當家不鬧事，但是院長，我們看到的是，在地方上就是國民黨的縣市首長居多，如果接下來總預算再不過關的話，我也希望趁現在大院最後的6分鐘，我質詢完之後就會針對總預算來付委。","然後我們來看立法院，其實從席次來看，也是國民黨占多數，雖然國民黨一直喜歡講說當家不鬧事、當家不鬧事，但是從地方上的執政首長再到立法院的席次，多數都是國民黨，總預算現在也卡在他們的手上，我不知道院長知不知道今天星期二，我們剛剛有程序委員會，但是程序委員會依舊沒有決定星期五的程序，星期五院會要處理什麼，其實是不知道的，而本席6分鐘之後質詢結束，我們就要來討論總預算，經過了我們這35位朝野立委的詢答之後，有沒有機會付委。","我想院長今天被問了好幾次，現在聽到這裡，我們也看到地方上懇切的希望預算能夠付委，院長，您認為等一下預算付委的機率高嗎？或者是如果預算不付委，當我們看到的是地方不斷的請院長、請總統、請部長能夠給預算、給治水、幫幫忙，那到底要怎麼辦？院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：我看到現場委員一片祥和、其樂融融，等一下應該是會往好的發展，明年農業部所轄的災損金、災害的補助基金，明年度編了39.61億元，將近40億元，我們希望它不要用，但是不可能沒有天然災害，我們願意把它花在最需要的地方、以最快的速度。","我再次感謝陳建仁前院長，他能夠在去年就核定了蘭嶼的電纜地下化，而且綠島也在做，表示我們這個公共建設社會韌性是全面性的，不分族群、不分地域、不分縣市、不分黨派，我希望各位委員能夠支持，我們還是要在這樣的原則底下通過明年度的總預算，我們緊緊的為人民做所有福國利民的法案和政策，希望大院能夠支持。"],["林委員楚茵：最後的4分半鐘，我也要幫卓院長跟這一次114年度的總預算來做一個說明，為什麼我剛剛一直在講地方根本就是國民黨執政？因為國民黨的執政縣市超過半數，高達14席，民眾黨有2席，民進黨只有5席。在113年度的時候，中央政府總預算是有補助地方的，這個還不包含昨天在財政委員會上所上演的荒謬鬧劇，召委陳玉珍突然間就毀棄了跟各黨團的協商，跑去喜來登，然後回來之後就要暗渡陳倉，要用擴權法案的方式，一樣偷偷摸摸的要偷渡財劃法。可是事實上，一邊卡總預算、一邊要偷渡財劃法，其實只是要搞亂我們的國家財政。","我們看到，113年度中央政府編列了2,302億元要補助給地方，114年度也有高達2,501億元要補助給地方，其實這些都是中央展現對地方的支持，對嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。"],["林委員楚茵：那麼面對像現在其實地方上多數都是國民黨執政的時候，這樣的預算卡關，對地方好嗎？因為我昨天在財政委員會，我一直聽到的是國民黨的委員都說，地方政府是用乞丐的方式，苦苦的在跟行政院哀求，然後行政院是用施以恩惠的方式來給予地方補助，真是如此嗎？院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們在明年度包括統籌、包括一般性的補助，給地方的超過1兆，總數達到1兆151億元；同時，我們在明年度想要展開的全國六大區域治理計畫，那是跨縣市的，而且是連續性的，如果沒有一個長遠的計畫、沒有中央的統籌，各縣市實在是無法單獨作業的。所以我希望從這兩個角度來看，中央會持續加碼給地方所需要的各種照顧、各種福利、各種必要的法定支出，也會加重地方各種的重大公共建設，這個無庸置疑，就讓我們有充裕的時間、有合理的預算，加上大院的強烈監督，我們一同來完成這樣的工作。"],["林委員楚茵：本席也特別找了資料，其實過去這八年來，中央給地方的補助是逐年在增加，而且這八年來高達了兩千多億，所以面對國民黨在明天的財政委員會可能要持續地推進財劃法，那麼院長這裡又怎麼看？因為一手擋中央總預算，一手又要用空白授權的方式，水平分配22個縣市在分配標準沒有達到共識的情況底下，如果推進，院長，您認為這對國家財政到底會造成什麼樣的影響？"],["卓院長榮泰：我的信念是，如果這一次向大院報告過中央政府總預算之後，能夠順利的付委，那表示我們提出的說明也被大家接受了，未來大院在討論到財政收支劃分法的時候，行政院當然也會非常願意跟大院一起來討論如何強化財政力、提升競爭力，用這個方式讓所有財政狀況比較不好的縣市，能夠在未來行政院統籌之下提升它的財政力，這是當前最重要的要務之一，我們會朝這個方向來做，向大院來據理說明清楚。"],["林委員楚茵：好，我身為立法委員，我們也知道我們的職責，這個預算會期在12月31號就要截止，本會期立委最重要的工作就是審預算，沒有預算可審的立法院，其實就跟膠著性的空轉沒有兩樣，所以我也希望接下來能夠有好結果，可以順利付委，審查預算。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝林楚茵委員質詢，也謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢。","報告院會，「114年度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」之質詢均已詢答完畢，非常感謝卓院長以及相關部會首長列席答詢。","報告院會，現在已將近6點鐘會議時間，我們先處理延長會議之提議。","現有國民黨黨團提議，針對本日會議（11月5日）提出延長開會時間至「114年度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」相關事宜處理完畢始散會。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":226,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-7","speakers":["韓國瑜","張智倫","麥玉珍","鍾佳濱","羅智強","王定宇","牛煦庭","劉建國","羅廷瑋","賴瑞隆","賴士葆","邱志偉","徐欣瑩","郭國文","邱鎮軍","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","謝衣鳯","郭昱晴","高金素梅","賴惠員","楊瓊瓔","林楚茵","王美惠"],"page_start":125,"meetingDate":["2024-11-05"],"gazette_id":"1138801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138801_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第7次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「114年\n度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─\n詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1138801_00004"}}}