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00:02:54,386\n委員是這樣,您這是2022年到2024年所以2022年我們有調整基本工資2023年也調整基本工資可是我們物價還是高漲啊所以你調漲的幅度會不會就在物價上漲的幅度以青年來講,核心通膨在1.86那整個CPI非核心含非核心波動型的通膨大概在2.3那所以這次的調整是有考慮到這個數字的\n\n9\n00:02:56,411 --> 00:02:56,551\n主席\n\n10\n00:03:26,491 --> 00:03:44,279\n你只調基本工資嘛好不好這個問題你結果上你回去透明處理這個整個結構我們現在是有繼續的調整跟您很快報告三件事第一個勞動部修正就業服務法要提升薪資透明原來是4萬以下的現在要5萬以下的第二個金管會也會開始去\n\n11\n00:03:45,660 --> 00:04:07,415\n去設定這個薪資門檻就是也要求最低工資1.3倍你包括這個本席都有看到你的資料都知道現在我們擔心的是企業之間會透過聯合的行為用一樣的低薪的這個薪水去壓榨勞工這就是你要去讓他們企業整個透明的結構要呈現出來我也請經管會協助就是進行那個產業薪資比較表出來看誰高跟低那你多久先給我們\n\n12\n00:04:15,655 --> 00:04:22,847\n我還要再問一下經管會好,一個月好不好好,謝謝那諸位請回那現在請郭部長請經濟部郭部長\n\n13\n00:04:25,851 --> 00:04:39,221\n國務部長講到低薪這跟企業有關係我們要提高中小企業的加薪的誘因在這邊我們看到的我們中小企業的發展條例裡面特別是說一定的人數在24歲以下65歲以上的話你們就有做一個這個補助這個基本薪資那請教一下那24歲以下的人勒\n\n14\n00:04:48,908 --> 00:05:03,795\n他現在讀大學他讀高中那他畢業要去當兵當兵回來的話他剛好就在24到30之間是不是這個部分的話你可以說在這個加薪減稅的這個部分啊可以在24歲以上30歲以下年輕人讓他們這個企業能夠徵顧一些年輕的勞工的意願可以嗎報告委員這一個那個是說對這個以下的人或者是\n\n15\n00:05:15,340 --> 00:05:36,214\n六十五歲以上的這些比較年長的人用的企業給予一些減稅的輔導因為他們初出社會不管當兵回來或大學畢業找工作的時候是非常辛苦的如果說你這個沒有給他一個保障跟鼓勵企業去多請一些年輕人的話所以他們還是會在低薪階段這個部分部長可以調整嗎\n\n16\n00:05:37,294 --> 00:05:55,086\n我想我們是來協助企業調整,如果有調整的我們就會給他一些獎勵給他們鼓勵,現在少數化非常嚴重,那這個部分你願意要多久時間?一個月好不好?好的,謝謝,謝謝部長,謝謝部長,那接下來請勞動部的王市長\n\n17\n00:06:06,317 --> 00:06:13,339\n市長,我們勞動部有針對這個產業執行這個職癌的訓練在這訓練當中我們看到我們在這個2020年到2023年產業的產業新尖端這個尖冰的這個計畫裡面我們投入了非常多的資源在辦這個執訓那在這個執訓裡面在這一次執訓裡面總共有兩萬\n\n18\n00:06:30,885 --> 00:06:55,996\n三千五百五十五人在投入那我們看到他們出來之後的話將近有百分之二十五點五的年輕人並沒有投入相關的產業這個是不是你們課程的規劃沒有符合產業的需求謝謝委員的追尋這個部分來講因為現在我們還在評估中因為等於說產業新鮮冰基本上他們新入職場的部分然後那本身來講這課程裡面我們也在做隨時的滾動調整\n\n19\n00:06:57,665 --> 00:07:23,383\n所以你看這個兩萬三千多人裡面拿到薪水四萬以上的只有四千八百二十九人將近有拿到三萬以下的就有一萬零兩百三十五人所以他們執訓出來沒有拿到他一個水平的薪水還是在三萬以下的低薪這你們執訓有沒有針對產業的需求你們去產業去調查說他需要什麼人你培訓什麼人為什麼這個有落差沒辦法馬上就業呢\n\n20\n00:07:24,003 --> 00:07:46,830\n跟委員報告因為基本上來講因為訓後之後他要經過一段實習而且本身來講在企業內他本身也要了解企業等等的運作情形那基本上而且我們其實不只這個部分而已其實我們在就業之後我們還有產業人才的投資方案他隨時可以精進自己的技能我想其實職業的訓練的培訓是逐步建立的\n\n21\n00:07:47,390 --> 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--> 00:08.856\n立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第11屆第2會期經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員\n\n00:16.792 --> 00:22.314\n主委,我們今天是要討論低薪的問題那尤其在我們臺灣的薪資已經停滯了超過20年那勞動部在公布了一些我們2023年年輕人的薪資的整個報告裡面我們看到在職場上有四個大學生裡面有一個就是領基本工資的那尤其是整個低薪的這個困境我們政府一直都沒有妥善的改革的一個方針那尤其現在年輕人看不見\n\n00:46.281 --> 00:48.342\n主任委員、行政部部長、國家發展委員及基層員工薪資水準\n\n01:14.036 --> 01:14.256\n二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員\n\n01:30.743 --> 01:30.783\n議員主席\n\n01:51.433 --> 02:12.709\n這個基本工資的調整是有考慮到這個CPI的狀況這是有的但是委員提到的是薪資的提升是的確要去做的所以您看到的就是說為什麼這樣講你調整這個基本的那個工資但是我們看到2022年到這2024年的9月漲幅高達百分之\n\n02:13.189 --> 02:28.065\n十點六的這個CPI的這個成長率的年增率就在我們十七項民生物資裡面就佔了十點六趴所以你漲的薪資就是整個被這個物價高漲這個給吃掉了\n\n02:29.687 --> 02:54.386\n委員是這樣,您這是2022年到2024年所以2022年我們有調整基本工資2023年也調整基本工資可是我們物價還是高漲啊所以你調漲的幅度會不會就在物價上漲的幅度以青年來講,核心通膨在1.86那整個CPI非核心含非核心波動型的通膨大概在2.3那所以這次的調整是有考慮到這個數字的\n\n02:56.411 --> 02:56.551\n主席\n\n03:26.491 --> 03:44.279\n你只調基本工資嘛好不好這個問題你結果上你回去透明處理這個整個結構我們現在是有繼續的調整跟您很快報告三件事第一個勞動部修正就業服務法要提升薪資透明原來是4萬以下的現在要5萬以下的第二個金管會也會開始去\n\n03:45.660 --> 04:07.415\n去設定這個薪資門檻就是也要求最低工資1.3倍你包括這個本席都有看到你的資料都知道現在我們擔心的是企業之間會透過聯合的行為用一樣的低薪的這個薪水去壓榨勞工這就是你要去讓他們企業整個透明的結構要呈現出來我也請經管會協助就是進行那個產業薪資比較表出來看誰高跟低那你多久先給我們\n\n04:15.655 --> 04:22.847\n我還要再問一下經管會好,一個月好不好好,謝謝那諸位請回那現在請郭部長請經濟部郭部長\n\n04:25.851 --> 04:39.221\n國務部長講到低薪這跟企業有關係我們要提高中小企業的加薪的誘因在這邊我們看到的我們中小企業的發展條例裡面特別是說一定的人數在24歲以下65歲以上的話你們就有做一個這個補助這個基本薪資那請教一下那24歲以下的人勒\n\n04:48.908 --> 05:03.795\n他現在讀大學他讀高中那他畢業要去當兵當兵回來的話他剛好就在24到30之間是不是這個部分的話你可以說在這個加薪減稅的這個部分啊可以在24歲以上30歲以下年輕人讓他們這個企業能夠徵顧一些年輕的勞工的意願可以嗎報告委員這一個那個是說對這個以下的人或者是\n\n05:15.340 --> 05:36.214\n六十五歲以上的這些比較年長的人用的企業給予一些減稅的輔導因為他們初出社會不管當兵回來或大學畢業找工作的時候是非常辛苦的如果說你這個沒有給他一個保障跟鼓勵企業去多請一些年輕人的話所以他們還是會在低薪階段這個部分部長可以調整嗎\n\n05:37.294 --> 05:55.086\n我想我們是來協助企業調整,如果有調整的我們就會給他一些獎勵給他們鼓勵,現在少數化非常嚴重,那這個部分你願意要多久時間?一個月好不好?好的,謝謝,謝謝部長,謝謝部長,那接下來請勞動部的王市長\n\n06:06.317 --> 06:13.339\n市長,我們勞動部有針對這個產業執行這個職癌的訓練在這訓練當中我們看到我們在這個2020年到2023年產業的產業新尖端這個尖冰的這個計畫裡面我們投入了非常多的資源在辦這個執訓那在這個執訓裡面在這一次執訓裡面總共有兩萬\n\n06:30.885 --> 06:55.996\n三千五百五十五人在投入那我們看到他們出來之後的話將近有百分之二十五點五的年輕人並沒有投入相關的產業這個是不是你們課程的規劃沒有符合產業的需求謝謝委員的追尋這個部分來講因為現在我們還在評估中因為等於說產業新鮮冰基本上他們新入職場的部分然後那本身來講這課程裡面我們也在做隨時的滾動調整\n\n06:57.665 --> 07:23.383\n所以你看這個兩萬三千多人裡面拿到薪水四萬以上的只有四千八百二十九人將近有拿到三萬以下的就有一萬零兩百三十五人所以他們執訓出來沒有拿到他一個水平的薪水還是在三萬以下的低薪這你們執訓有沒有針對產業的需求你們去產業去調查說他需要什麼人你培訓什麼人為什麼這個有落差沒辦法馬上就業呢\n\n07:24.003 --> 07:46.830\n跟委員報告因為基本上來講因為訓後之後他要經過一段實習而且本身來講在企業內他本身也要了解企業等等的運作情形那基本上而且我們其實不只這個部分而已其實我們在就業之後我們還有產業人才的投資方案他隨時可以精進自己的技能我想其實職業的訓練的培訓是逐步建立的\n\n07:47.390 --> 08:00.272\n本身來講他進入這場一個基本門檻之後那逐步建立他基本從基本門檻建立他基本的技能之後再逐步的按照他所需要市長你要了解因為我們會培訓這些人員的話就是我們要訓練人才產業需要的人才但是產業上這個人力的缺口我們要去給他補足讓產業跟我們的這個整個年輕人他們的創業\n\n08:13.775 --> 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