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00:06:24,721\n就是我們GDP當中分配給就是受僱者的一個比例我們用117年的數字跟107年的數字我們發現它是逐年的一個下降那麼針對這個部分的時候我想問一下部長你這邊有沒有具體的方式可以來逆轉這樣子的一個趨勢\n\n19\n00:06:25,962 --> 00:06:42,903\n報告委員有我們從兩個一個就是對企業從稅的部分來提高他有這個能力來加薪那這裡面重點就是說我們其實對這些比較小微的公司如果你加薪\n\n20\n00:06:43,604 --> 00:06:58,396\n如果你接受我們的輔導而賺錢你必須要加薪OK好那我想問一下因為我們中小企業發展條例36-2條的時候上半年的時候我們有修法執法什麼時候出來你沒有執法你沒有辦法真正去落實啊\n\n21\n00:07:00,422 --> 00:07:26,848\n報告委員,執法已經修好了,會在11月底開始11月底會正式實施,對不對?11月底11月底嘛,對不對?OK好,因為我在想說當我們修了中小企業發展條例36之2條之後我們需要讓它落實下來那我想問一下以目前符合我們中小企業發展條例36之2當中的時候我們中小企業163萬家當中有多少家可以適用?多少?\n\n22\n00:07:30,631 --> 00:07:55,463\n我講這個執法上面也會有名列部長我簡單跟你講一下因為我們目前有163萬家中小企業大概有30萬家是用查賬申報的方式有133萬家是用書審申報的方式只有用查賬申報的方式可以適用就表示我們有163萬家中小企業當中還有133萬家是沒辦法去適用這個部分的所以我本席希望經濟部這邊的時候針對\n\n23\n00:07:58,644 --> 00:08:23,669\n之後如果企業加薪應該要得到更多的一個鼓勵包括說政府的各項補助應該要把企業加薪當作參考的一個項目然後針對有研發創新抵稅的部分還有工業期進駐等等的部分都要把就是加薪當作經濟部在評估當中的一個要件可不可以是可以可以齁\n\n24\n00:08:25,970 --> 00:08:37,917\n謝謝部長那我想說針對這個低薪的部分我再問一個狀態中小企業白皮書你簽了這個續沒有?因為每年年底都有中小企業白皮書\n\n25\n00:08:39,264 --> 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00:59.597\n所以你就只能扮演一個過場的一個角色,就讓該層的往上層,然後所以你也不太想去管這個事情,部長?報告委員,因為我進公門,進來這個政府服務啊,時間比較短,所以我真的沒有辦法在短時間裡面\n\n01:01.138 --> 01:15.726\n理解這個所有的運作那這個國營人士的這個移動這個就是一定的制度在運作理解所以國營司的司長是他的主管單位部長我在想說其實因為我認為你從\n\n01:16.727 --> 01:16.907\n只有60%嗎?\n\n01:41.274 --> 01:45.796\n二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員\n\n02:08.223 --> 02:10.505\n我是不是請國營師來回答這個問題?好的,我會根據這個委員的指示來進行\n\n02:38.303 --> 03:02.576\nOK那我想說因為我們今天在講這部分那其實坦白說我對於你的那個直率發言我都把它認為是一個很企業界的一個方式那事實上比方說坦白說很多委員覺得你的發言當中的時候呢也許在部長這個角色當中可能還不夠的一個謹慎那我對你有期待所以我希望你\n\n03:03.436 --> 03:15.448\n在承諾事情當中的時候不一定要這麼樣的直率包括說你當時承諾大家比方說如果補助台電的錢下來之後如果在\n\n03:17.553 --> 03:34.966\n長電價你就要辭職下台坦白說大家也都在看你到底能夠撐多久那我想說這個部分我們之後有時間我們再往下走那因為你剛剛也特別提到在回答張家俊委員的時候你還提到說你也提到直接講說雲豹為了炒股講了不適合的話\n\n03:36.067 --> 03:36.728\n因為他這個是6月的發言\n\n04:06.471 --> 04:23.742\n所以所以現在不知道有沒有還有沒有這個這個可以勾結的這個所以你還會再繼續往下去要求金管會去做類似的動作嗎因為你剛剛回答的很具體嘛我沒有認為你是草率的發言我認為你是很直率很企業界的發言是\n\n04:27.044 --> 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