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00:00:44,777\n是部長好我們今天呢稍微排了這個低薪的議題關注青年跟基層我非常的認同那所以我在這個專訪看到專訪的記錄裡頭當你接上部長的時候你接受專訪你曾經說你看到薪水啊你嚇了一跳你嚇了一跳怎麼那麼少啊是不是少一個零是嗎\n\n3\n00:00:46,792 --> 00:01:02,478\n是的是的那所以呢你最能夠瞭解我們整個低薪的狀態到底要怎麼去做所以本席要跟你討論的是我們台灣現在目前面臨的貧富差距非常的大\n\n4\n00:01:03,058 --> 00:01:26,936\n尤其我們一定要支持我們的青年人以及在基層低薪的這個問題政府有責任一定要去好好的把它做規劃因為這個會影響到整個流財的一個穩定性跟勞動力的一個條件那整個社會的公平跟產業競爭力這些的面向都必須由政府來作為整體性的多項因應的這個方案\n\n5\n00:01:29,758 --> 00:01:40,083\n說比如說研擬修正就業服務法那將這個薪資的部分來揭露這個門檻由現行的4萬提升到5萬也有將研議將一定的薪資門檻那麼納入在上市櫃的這個公司申請許可核准審核最重要的標準是不是\n\n6\n00:01:53,530 --> 00:02:14,226\n就是說從源頭來做規劃那本席非常的肯定這樣的態度但是我要主張的是更應該要關注到我們基層員工的心情才不會像你拿到的薪水單嚇了一跳是不是少了一個零所以我在這邊要請教針對於公司法第2\n\n7\n00:02:18,049 --> 00:02:38,151\n235條之一的條文要來進行修正你們有沒有這個方向也就是希望能夠達到真正幫助在基層加薪的效果你們有沒有這樣言理我也要請國防會主委也一併上來回答針對於公司法第235條之一的條文有沒有言理請教\n\n8\n00:02:40,423 --> 00:03:00,955\n我想我們都會按照這個現行公司法的規定那在這個分派酬勞的時候這是現行但是不足以應對我們的基層所以會不會修公司法的第235條之一的條文真正落實來照顧基層\n\n9\n00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:03,640\n的心情,有沒有這個預計?\n\n10\n00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:41,155\n本期就開始提案,我們這一屆也會提案再進來但是這委員的版本是不夠的所以我首先要請,我謝謝郭部長你願意要將公司法的第235條之一我們要提出來做討論真正的怎麼樣落實在我們的基層的員工薪資那我也請那個國防會主委您的回答呢,您的立場\n\n11\n00:03:43,184 --> 00:04:03,900\n公司法是由經濟部的全責,那基本上我們會支持經濟部的決定。那我們實質來討論部長,你是不是會納入公司應將章程明定以當年度獲利狀況的定額或者比例來分配給員工的酬勞以及調整基層員工的薪資?\n\n12\n00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:17,934\n有會納入考論支持不得低於消費者物價指數年增率調整的幅度或者是不得低於同業利潤同業利潤的平均加薪比例會不會認同\n\n13\n00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,202\n這個我們來考慮一下因為它有點困難每一個行業不一樣啊所以本席特別提出啊你不得定消費者的物價指數年增率調整啊本席只是跟你討論是不是也將這個\n\n14\n00:04:39,636 --> 00:04:52,199\n納入討論的範圍,你是認同的?是是,我們納入討論了。好,那本期要請教,這個我非常感謝,也就是說,大家都知道,我非常的支持我們的中小企業,因為中小企業是佔了我們所有企業的98%,你的就業人數也將近有913萬2千人,中小企業的家屬是163萬,所以我們沒有理由不照顧他們,\n\n15\n00:05:04,102 --> 00:05:10,827\n照顧他們等於就是照顧到我們的基層員工所以剛剛所講的這三項也就是公書法的第235條之一我們行政部門認為必須要做整體性的去考量其中最重要的也就是員工酬勞以及他這個公司\n\n16\n00:05:24,798 --> 00:05:42,446\n所得利潤的一個比例那麼我們應該提出來做整體性的一個討論而且不得低於消費者物價指數年增率的一個調整或者是不得低於同業平均加薪的比例這一些都是得到\n\n17\n00:05:43,887 --> 00:05:56,535\n經濟部和國防會認同必須拿出來做檢討對不對那所以本席請教部長你們檢討多久時間你們可以有方案出來這個我們回去可能主要還是要跟經管會討論對對對沒關係你們大概有多久時間可以給我一個方案可以控制的範圍下來做\n\n18\n00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:12,627\n我想這個因為跨部門我想要三個月吧好那麼我們就promise三個月的時間那麼你們將你們的方案提出那麼我們也會提出這個委員版的這個235條之一大家好好實務的來照顧我們真正的這個員工的低薪的問題那接下來本期要跟你討論的也就是中小企業我經常跟您說的這個數字告訴你98%\n\n19\n00:06:30,060 --> 00:06:43,837\n及企業佔比率,所以我們這些中小企業您更應該要支持他們綠電的獲得,是嗎?您點頭,所以因為之前您說過要給回答,我也很支持,請說明。\n\n20\n00:06:45,659 --> 00:06:46,240\n二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員\n\n21\n00:07:07,162 --> 00:07:07,462\n因為中小企業的銷售額總額超過了28兆\n\n22\n00:07:25,538 --> 00:07:30,859\n他的占比超過了五成出口總額3.6兆所以在這種年增率每一年超過7%你看那台灣人我怕病所以政府更有責任也有義務要好好的照顧他們對不對因為他們是台灣經濟最重要的基礎的一個重要基石所以未來我們很重要的就是挑戰\n\n23\n00:07:48,624 --> 00:08:08,296\n這一個中小企業政府如何去輔導他們如何去輔導他們這個是非常重要那剛剛我們在前兩次呢本席也跟你討論也跟國防會主委討論過也就是112年去年第四季台電推動的相關適合中小企業他們有一個專案小額的綠電商品那麼他們的申請只有126家得標他的得標量只有643萬這個這個這個這個\n\n24\n00:08:19,622 --> 00:08:43,207\n那這樣的條件我們知道量不夠加速也不夠所以本期要請教你要怎麼樣去輔導我們整個中小企業可以獲得綠電那麼或許是結合我們整個中小企業的團體組織來合辦活動來發揮它的作效啊要不然你一年度只有126家得標那這個這個太少了啦太少了我們會改變形態改變形態那請教部長\n\n25\n00:08:46,728 --> 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那麼我們就promise三個月的時間那麼你們將你們的方案提出那麼我們也會提出這個委員版的這個235條之一大家好好實務的來照顧我們真正的這個員工的低薪的問題那接下來本期要跟你討論的也就是中小企業我經常跟您說的這個數字告訴你98%\n及企業佔比率,所以我們這些中小企業您更應該要支持他們綠電的獲得,是嗎?您點頭,所以因為之前您說過要給回答,我也很支持,請說明。\n二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員\n因為中小企業的銷售額總額超過了28兆\n他的占比超過了五成出口總額3.6兆所以在這種年增率每一年超過7%你看那台灣人我怕病所以政府更有責任也有義務要好好的照顧他們對不對因為他們是台灣經濟最重要的基礎的一個重要基石所以未來我們很重要的就是挑戰\n這一個中小企業政府如何去輔導他們如何去輔導他們這個是非常重要那剛剛我們在前兩次呢本席也跟你討論也跟國防會主委討論過也就是112年去年第四季台電推動的相關適合中小企業他們有一個專案小額的綠電商品那麼他們的申請只有126家得標他的得標量只有643萬這個這個這個這個\n那這樣的條件我們知道量不夠加速也不夠所以本期要請教你要怎麼樣去輔導我們整個中小企業可以獲得綠電那麼或許是結合我們整個中小企業的團體組織來合辦活動來發揮它的作效啊要不然你一年度只有126家得標那這個這個太少了啦太少了我們會改變形態改變形態那請教部長\n滿足他們那改變形態你的方案要怎麼做方案我們都有討論啊都有討論什麼時候可以給本席我們要告訴我們的中小企業啊你這個數字拿出來112年拿出來不會看的啊難看啊我年底進行給你年底以前現在11月嘛那就在12月底以前拿出怎麼樣對我們中小企業協助綠電的方式來跟我們來好好的來討論對不對最後一分鐘好不好最後請教喔\n臺電增資的問題如果依照以前累計的三千億現在要一千億的追加然後再一千億明年的工務預算等於五千億五千億如果除以兩千三百萬人您所號稱的動漲我們一屆\n謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.770 --> 00:10.841\n請楊瓊英委員謝謝主席,楊瓊英發言,邀請郭部長經濟部郭部長委員好\n\n00:16.952 --> 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