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00:01:31,120\n今天青年低薪的時候為什麼會造成這樣的一個環境?你有沒有仔細稍微研究一下?這個有你告訴我,外營在哪裡?我們其實有去研究它是有幾個部分一個是企業有能力不願意加薪另外一種是\n\n5\n00:01:31,940 --> 00:01:47,305\n沒有能力齁,他有意願也沒用,然後呢沒意願也有,那我們...然後這裡面再分出來齁,他所待的產業跟公司賺不賺錢,公司沒賺錢是沒辦法...區域也是一個問題啦現在我分到很多產產產業怎麼講,那些老一輩啦,我說你不能賺錢怎麼賺錢,我說打平就好\n\n6\n00:01:56,048 --> 00:02:24,920\n那些老員工跟我幾十年了我只要把他阿倫道退休我要把工廠關掉所以大家思想你們常常在說企業台灣人很有感情的企業家也有賺錢給官工越來越好地所以我覺得一些觀念也是大改變其實青年的低薪就是我們政策的錯誤我們政策的錯誤在哪裡?選舉所導致的一個絕望\n\n7\n00:02:26,345 --> 00:02:38,753\n我們以前為了名聲,所以說什麼萬般皆下平,唯有獨自高,大家就拼命設立起來,大家都在海上比價,以前在海上救。\n\n8\n00:02:40,097 --> 00:02:43,499\n我國青年低薪成因檢討及因應對策．暨如何促進企業提升青年及基層員工資水準。\n\n9\n00:03:07,895 --> 00:03:09,677\n二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員\n\n10\n00:03:35,319 --> 00:04:03,108\n今天這個小確幸,帶來我們很多整個政策的一個錯誤。在第三點你起了解過來,我們的部長要知道,台灣人很會太介小,一比市場台灣太小,一來這邊比較的時候價格就一直殺來殺去,本來有優秀的東西,非常優質的東西,太來太介小。所以這裡面參加了一種非常多的因素。\n\n11\n00:04:04,188 --> 00:04:30,228\n所以我在這,您現在是執政者,您是政治家,應該你們要從頭徹底跟臺灣人所有講,包括總統,不要為了選票。其實這個世界很無情的,我相信您站出來,贏則亂,敗則苦。我們一定要改變這樣的觀念,你才有辦法把這低薪的制度弄好。\n\n12\n00:04:32,026 --> 00:04:58,682\n現在很多人說找人什麼是有希望的產業什麼是未來的產業什麼是傳統產業裡面要怎樣來現在水電工很強水電工要做都要幾十萬十幾萬現在連電安公如果你好了二三十萬現在都找不到人因為我們把以前職職教育信任的一批的人才全部不見了\n\n13\n00:05:00,083 --> 00:05:02,786\n因應對策．暨如何促進企業提升青年及基層員工薪資水準。\n\n14\n00:05:18,046 --> 00:05:21,608\n二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員\n\n15\n00:05:40,936 --> 00:05:54,123\n你本來信任這個基本要素,我們要請外來的移工,他去做兩班,薪水到館就起來。所以你沒討論今天是20億,大家都在說有的沒的,我真的很難看。\n\n16\n00:05:55,543 --> 00:06:23,612\n我不曉得執委,你怎麼想法?部長在笑,你一起就出來了,你知道嗎?你剛才是怎麼變的?我是談論,這個沒有根本改造的結果,你沒辦法變。你要未雨綢繆,你要有敢說,未來幾個企業裡面,我們可能什麼最缺了,你就從這樣子下去嘛。混人家人,雖然外來的移工把台灣人做成外來移工的領頭者帶著去,\n\n17\n00:06:24,412 --> 00:06:38,563\n到整個世界都能走遍這是我的看法這樣只有我一個在說你們跟我說一個比較像其實我的看法跟你一樣其實我們有整理了一個八大策略那其中一個跟您講的是很像的現在狀況是\n\n18\n00:06:40,304 --> 00:07:03,938\n其實你剛剛講漢傑工二、三十萬的確我們也看到外面現在資深技術勞工可以到18萬、19萬一個月還請不到人啊但是問題是就有一些人在他的能力上面並不匹配你說的啦就是高高在讀學歷太高父母不願意小孩子去碰這個你一定要跟他們說嘛我們不能覺得這個表面好我相信你們都是拿陪伴啊出來啦\n\n19\n00:07:05,999 --> 00:07:06,800\n邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員\n\n20\n00:07:32,682 --> 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--> 00:14.975\n陳昌明委員諮詢之後我們再休息三分鐘主席好首先有請國安會我們劉主委\n\n00:25.637 --> 00:48.857\n劉主委,今天主要是討論青年低薪的一個問題這是很頭痛、很複雜的問題尤其你是在經營以前顧問公司裡面當最大的都是人家請教你你從民間到政府機關你有沒有發覺這個問題很嚴重\n\n00:53.710 --> 01:05.067\n這個我有感受到我有感受到你以前是高高在上都是上市公司來請教你大概都沒有跟你談到基層員工管理各方面的問題\n\n01:07.012 --> 01:31.120\n今天青年低薪的時候為什麼會造成這樣的一個環境?你有沒有仔細稍微研究一下?這個有你告訴我,外營在哪裡?我們其實有去研究它是有幾個部分一個是企業有能力不願意加薪另外一種是\n\n01:31.940 --> 01:47.305\n沒有能力齁,他有意願也沒用,然後呢沒意願也有,那我們...然後這裡面再分出來齁,他所待的產業跟公司賺不賺錢,公司沒賺錢是沒辦法...區域也是一個問題啦現在我分到很多產產產業怎麼講,那些老一輩啦,我說你不能賺錢怎麼賺錢,我說打平就好\n\n01:56.048 --> 02:24.920\n那些老員工跟我幾十年了我只要把他阿倫道退休我要把工廠關掉所以大家思想你們常常在說企業台灣人很有感情的企業家也有賺錢給官工越來越好地所以我覺得一些觀念也是大改變其實青年的低薪就是我們政策的錯誤我們政策的錯誤在哪裡?選舉所導致的一個絕望\n\n02:26.345 --> 02:38.753\n我們以前為了名聲,所以說什麼萬般皆下平,唯有獨自高,大家就拼命設立起來,大家都在海上比價,以前在海上救。\n\n02:40.097 --> 02:43.499\n我國青年低薪成因檢討及因應對策．暨如何促進企業提升青年及基層員工資水準。\n\n03:07.895 --> 03:09.677\n二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員\n\n03:35.319 --> 04:03.108\n今天這個小確幸,帶來我們很多整個政策的一個錯誤。在第三點你起了解過來,我們的部長要知道,台灣人很會太介小,一比市場台灣太小,一來這邊比較的時候價格就一直殺來殺去,本來有優秀的東西,非常優質的東西,太來太介小。所以這裡面參加了一種非常多的因素。\n\n04:04.188 --> 04:30.228\n所以我在這,您現在是執政者,您是政治家,應該你們要從頭徹底跟臺灣人所有講,包括總統,不要為了選票。其實這個世界很無情的,我相信您站出來,贏則亂,敗則苦。我們一定要改變這樣的觀念,你才有辦法把這低薪的制度弄好。\n\n04:32.026 --> 04:58.682\n現在很多人說找人什麼是有希望的產業什麼是未來的產業什麼是傳統產業裡面要怎樣來現在水電工很強水電工要做都要幾十萬十幾萬現在連電安公如果你好了二三十萬現在都找不到人因為我們把以前職職教育信任的一批的人才全部不見了\n\n05:00.083 --> 05:02.786\n因應對策．暨如何促進企業提升青年及基層員工薪資水準。\n\n05:18.046 --> 05:21.608\n二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員\n\n05:40.936 --> 05:54.123\n你本來信任這個基本要素,我們要請外來的移工,他去做兩班,薪水到館就起來。所以你沒討論今天是20億,大家都在說有的沒的,我真的很難看。\n\n05:55.543 --> 06:23.612\n我不曉得執委,你怎麼想法?部長在笑,你一起就出來了,你知道嗎?你剛才是怎麼變的?我是談論,這個沒有根本改造的結果,你沒辦法變。你要未雨綢繆,你要有敢說,未來幾個企業裡面,我們可能什麼最缺了,你就從這樣子下去嘛。混人家人,雖然外來的移工把台灣人做成外來移工的領頭者帶著去,\n\n06:24.412 --> 06:38.563\n到整個世界都能走遍這是我的看法這樣只有我一個在說你們跟我說一個比較像其實我的看法跟你一樣其實我們有整理了一個八大策略那其中一個跟您講的是很像的現在狀況是\n\n06:40.304 --> 07:03.938\n其實你剛剛講漢傑工二、三十萬的確我們也看到外面現在資深技術勞工可以到18萬、19萬一個月還請不到人啊但是問題是就有一些人在他的能力上面並不匹配你說的啦就是高高在讀學歷太高父母不願意小孩子去碰這個你一定要跟他們說嘛我們不能覺得這個表面好我相信你們都是拿陪伴啊出來啦\n\n07:05.999 --> 07:06.800\n邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員\n\n07:32.682 --> 08:01.457\n我的看法是這樣,不然你怎麼說提高那些...現在大家都買不去我真的講,難怪他們新會議了你要創造希望,給他創造未來啊你是執行顧問,大家要跟你請教我真的講,要徹底的改造,真的愛台灣是這樣愛的不是用政治口號愛的你們起了腳來,我相信你們要講實話,真正的跟總統報告\n\n08:02.625 --> 08:19.784\n要做大事的人怎麼會這樣做呢?我們兩個看的一樣,我找個時間拿我的八項我們兩個跟你討論一下,我們一起把它再延伸一下你們兩個現在是最熱門人物提出的idea點子最多希望能很踏實\n\n08:20.885 --> 08:23.146\n一、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員\n\n08:40.470 --> 08:42.752\n我國青年低薪成因檢討及基層員工薪資水準\n\n08:52.551 --> 08:53.051\n二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員\n\n09:22.199 --> 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