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00:00:54,860\n第一個是在美國他是我們的重要的外交盟友那總統大選昨天完成了那川普再度進到白宮然後並且在參眾兩院全部都過半可以說是完全執政另外一個是我們的鄰國重要的地緣政治的鄰國也是我們經貿安全重要的隔壁鄰居日本\n\n3\n00:00:55,620 --> 00:01:11,753\n日本大選完了在11月11號連續4天要進行內閣總理大臣的推舉而且他們現在目前沒有一個政黨過半必須採取多黨聯盟或者少數政府另外一個是我們的正式邦交國這個是在\n\n4\n00:01:13,114 --> 00:01:13,254\n王定宇\n\n5\n00:01:29,447 --> 00:01:45,281\n這幾年在歐洲外交關係突破的你可以叫他攤頭堡你也可以叫他成為重要的朋友也是一個新型態的模式以台灣代表處開啟在歐洲進駐的一個方式那立陶宛大選其實立陶宛的執政黨很少連任的\n\n6\n00:01:45,922 --> 00:02:10,291\n立法院大選每一次都會輪這一次是反對黨成為國會最大黨即將接任總理的帕魯克斯有對跟台灣的關係做出一些講法大概這四個我們先從美國總統大選川普再度回到白宮國會過半完全執政對於我們外交部來講因應一個格局我們雖然不押寶\n\n7\n00:02:11,371 --> 00:02:36,028\n民主共和都是我們的好朋友但是我相信每一種可能性每一種scenario我們都要做好準備外交部有沒有預判川普可能的重要人事佈局特別是在國務卿、國安層級以及貿易談判代表這三個會影響到台灣的安全、國防以及我們的經貿的談判你們目前研判怎麼樣\n\n8\n00:02:37,054 --> 00:03:01,366\n是,我們自從兩黨總統候選人在初選期間提名的時候我們就已經有整理他們重要的這些人事佈局可能的名單那你預估,我們當然不能講誰是誰的位子因為川普自己都還沒定有哪些名字浮在我們的預判裡面\n\n9\n00:03:02,863 --> 00:03:03,644\n委員會主席\n\n10\n00:03:22,273 --> 00:03:24,895\n談判代表其實我提醒你要注意一下談判代表其實\n\n11\n00:03:49,850 --> 00:04:11,267\n不管做TIFA或者未來我們兩邊的BTA現在叫做那個21世紀貿易什麼倡議談判代表其實很重要那因為他現在是一個強勢政權國會過半總統普選票也贏代表票也贏所以川普的政策他其實就有去\n\n12\n00:04:12,668 --> 00:04:34,175\n執行的壓力包含關稅100%、200%這件事情我覺得對中國來講關稅可能是一件大事情就是經貿關稅、區域安全他在昨天長達40幾分鐘的等於勝選演說裡面其實對外關係講的不多他大概只提到一次說我們擁有比中國更多的東西\n\n13\n00:04:34,835 --> 00:04:54,825\n我不是來startWar我不會來開啟戰爭我要來Stop我要來終止戰爭大概提到這一塊所以就外交部目前看起來川普對台有沒有什麼政策是值得我們要注意的如常的沒有問題的我們都知道大概大方向都不變有沒有需要注意的部分\n\n14\n00:04:55,882 --> 00:05:14,349\n我想他當然是以就是剛講內政為主在經濟跟移民問題上那其實在地緣政治上他也有一些主張所以這方面會對我們的影響以及如何因應我們也是都有所準備\n\n15\n00:05:15,049 --> 00:05:18,253\n當時川普在第一任總統任內有關印太戰略架構在2018年提早解密還透過澳洲的媒體解密那個架構把第一島鏈\n\n16\n00:05:35,185 --> 00:06:02,357\n第二島鏈第一島鏈要嚇阻中國對第一島鏈的威脅第二島鏈要成為完全能夠採摘就美國跟盟友要能夠完全控制第二島鏈他那個印太戰略架構是他上一次要連任之前揭露出來的東西這個會不會延續對我們影響很重要第二個他在國際經貿他甚至於他上次TPP就要退出的\n\n17\n00:06:03,237 --> 00:06:12,411\n所以對於這種多邊的經貿組織他才採取什麼態度他的人事跟政策會影響到他對於區域安全是讓你自己負責還是會積極介入\n\n18\n00:06:17,134 --> 00:06:42,579\n讓你自己負責是你要什麼我給你這個都會影響這個我建議要多研究因為這個還在演變成說未來我也許跟林玉清召委我們還會等他們人事佈局更穩定一點我們甚至於要到華府一趟或者我們可能這個台美國會聯誼會因為我們很多這個台灣Caucus的成員都連任其實國會是很重要的不分民主共和有台的\n\n19\n00:06:44,260 --> 00:07:03,337\n臺灣連線的國會議員連任率很高目前還是國會最大的力量這個是我們要掌握住的我跟委員回應一下確實如你所言其實美台關係的架構主要是在川普他在第一任總統任內其實設定包括印太戰略包括對台軍售的常態化\n\n20\n00:07:04,217 --> 00:07:20,253\n包括呢EPPD就是這個所謂1加1等於3就是經濟繁榮夥伴對話架構以及呢高層的互訪層次很高到次卿的層次到臺灣衛生部長另外一期我覺得一個非常重要的是\n\n21\n00:07:21,454 --> 00:07:39,397\n就是說對台灣來講我想這些架構性的東西我們應該是會做基礎他有沒有用一些人事或政策去推翻自己上一任的架構我剛剛提醒是這件事情他如果推翻上一任的架構我們就要\n\n22\n00:07:41,263 --> 00:08:09,949\n用什麼字呢?Becautious我們要小心你懂意思嗎?因為這一任的川普跟下一任的川普我們不能假設是一樣的那我接下來要請教的就是你剛才提到歐布萊恩歐布萊恩他有去轉發並且加了一些文字去我們賴清德總統對川普的賀文在X上面那X的老闆X的老闆馬斯克也是川普他昨天也花了好長時間在俄羅馬斯克所以\n\n23\n00:08:11,049 --> 00:08:33,496\n這個文他有轉發那一般有人預計說歐布萊恩可能是國安顧問或者國務卿我們不要去預測因為預測搞不好害了他本來有會變沒有所以我的意思是說除了歐布萊恩以外我們目前外交部或我們的國安高層有沒有跟川普總統重要的幕僚直接的接觸有或沒有\n\n24\n00:08:35,179 --> 00:08:35,940\n接觸的成績是誰?\n\n25\n00:09:00,609 --> 00:09:22,527\n有提到賴清德總統當然在X上面這是一個非正式的恭賀我相信外交體系應該有把正式的賀文透過駐美代表處轉給對已經這個致函已經我提醒我們對美經營是所以對於拜登總統在過去四年對台灣的協助我們要百發感謝\n\n26\n00:09:24,161 --> 00:09:53,031\n我們對於川普總統的即將就任表示恭賀那上一次川普總統就任沒多久跟小英總統有直接通上電話有經過一些穿梭聯繫那目前我們外交部也好國安高層也好跟賴清德總統這一邊有沒有跟川普的幕僚直接通上話然後未來有沒有直接見到面或聯絡的安排或努力有還是沒有\n\n27\n00:09:53,971 --> 00:10:12,789\n我們有聯繫的管道,但是並沒有就像如說電話這方面有任何的討論我再把問題講一遍,你跟他重要的幕僚要有直接的溝通管道,這個很重要\n\n28\n00:10:13,630 --> 00:10:28,298\n然後這溝通管道我們有一些努力要達成的目標但是如果能夠促成兩位元首見面當好事但困難度很高嘛那雙方能不能不管是願意公開的通商化或者是\n\n29\n00:10:29,138 --> 00:10:29,258\n那未來會不會嘗試?\n\n30\n00:10:50,798 --> 00:10:52,659\n我最後一分鐘提醒外交部,外交是整體的國力,經濟是外交,國防是外交\n\n31\n00:11:08,810 --> 00:11:24,026\n這個是部長你提過的所以當川普選擇內閣就任他看到亞洲看到印太他不喜歡說亞太他喜歡說印太對他看到印太的時候看到中國問題的時候他一定要思考台灣的角色這跟安全跟國防有關\n\n32\n00:11:24,787 --> 00:11:45,780\n他看到國內就業機會的時候避免雙重割稅這個我們跟美國遊說很久美國民主共和兩黨都承諾選後要來處理這個避免雙重割稅可以讓我們的企業從墨西哥北部的邊境往北移到美國境內創造就業機會而這個對話過程如果讓民間去努力外交部跟我們政府角色就不見了\n\n33\n00:11:46,821 --> 00:12:01,729\n政府要有角色去統合我們經濟的力量不管是集體電路公司或者是傳統製造公司當美國要MEGA要把工作帶回美國的時候他要跟盟友來溝通這個時候\n\n34\n00:12:03,370 --> 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War我不會來開啟戰爭我要來Stop我要來終止戰爭大概提到這一塊所以就外交部目前看起來川普對台有沒有什麼政策是值得我們要注意的如常的沒有問題的我們都知道大概大方向都不變有沒有需要注意的部分\n295882\t314349\t我想他當然是以就是剛講內政為主在經濟跟移民問題上那其實在地緣政治上他也有一些主張所以這方面會對我們的影響以及如何因應我們也是都有所準備\n315049\t318253\t當時川普在第一任總統任內有關印太戰略架構在2018年提早解密還透過澳洲的媒體解密那個架構把第一島鏈\n335185\t362357\t第二島鏈第一島鏈要嚇阻中國對第一島鏈的威脅第二島鏈要成為完全能夠採摘就美國跟盟友要能夠完全控制第二島鏈他那個印太戰略架構是他上一次要連任之前揭露出來的東西這個會不會延續對我們影響很重要第二個他在國際經貿他甚至於他上次TPP就要退出的\n363237\t372411\t所以對於這種多邊的經貿組織他才採取什麼態度他的人事跟政策會影響到他對於區域安全是讓你自己負責還是會積極介入\n377134\t402579\t讓你自己負責是你要什麼我給你這個都會影響這個我建議要多研究因為這個還在演變成說未來我也許跟林玉清召委我們還會等他們人事佈局更穩定一點我們甚至於要到華府一趟或者我們可能這個台美國會聯誼會因為我們很多這個台灣Caucus的成員都連任其實國會是很重要的不分民主共和有台的\n404260\t423337\t臺灣連線的國會議員連任率很高目前還是國會最大的力量這個是我們要掌握住的我跟委員回應一下確實如你所言其實美台關係的架構主要是在川普他在第一任總統任內其實設定包括印太戰略包括對台軍售的常態化\n424217\t440253\t包括呢EPPD就是這個所謂1加1等於3就是經濟繁榮夥伴對話架構以及呢高層的互訪層次很高到次卿的層次到臺灣衛生部長另外一期我覺得一個非常重要的是\n441454\t459397\t就是說對台灣來講我想這些架構性的東西我們應該是會做基礎他有沒有用一些人事或政策去推翻自己上一任的架構我剛剛提醒是這件事情他如果推翻上一任的架構我們就要\n461263\t489949\t用什麼字呢?Be cautious我們要小心你懂意思嗎?因為這一任的川普跟下一任的川普我們不能假設是一樣的那我接下來要請教的就是你剛才提到歐布萊恩歐布萊恩他有去轉發並且加了一些文字去我們賴清德總統對川普的賀文在X上面那X的老闆X的老闆馬斯克也是川普他昨天也花了好長時間在俄羅馬斯克所以\n491049\t513496\t這個文他有轉發那一般有人預計說歐布萊恩可能是國安顧問或者國務卿我們不要去預測因為預測搞不好害了他本來有會變沒有所以我的意思是說除了歐布萊恩以外我們目前外交部或我們的國安高層有沒有跟川普總統重要的幕僚直接的接觸有或沒有\n515179\t515940\t接觸的成績是誰?\n540609\t562527\t有提到賴清德總統當然在X上面這是一個非正式的恭賀我相信外交體系應該有把正式的賀文透過駐美代表處轉給對已經這個致函已經我提醒我們對美經營是所以對於拜登總統在過去四年對台灣的協助我們要百發感謝\n564161\t593031\t我們對於川普總統的即將就任表示恭賀那上一次川普總統就任沒多久跟小英總統有直接通上電話有經過一些穿梭聯繫那目前我們外交部也好國安高層也好跟賴清德總統這一邊有沒有跟川普的幕僚直接通上話然後未來有沒有直接見到面或聯絡的安排或努力有還是沒有\n593971\t612789\t我們有聯繫的管道,但是並沒有就像如說電話這方面有任何的討論我再把問題講一遍,你跟他重要的幕僚要有直接的溝通管道,這個很重要\n613630\t628298\t然後這溝通管道我們有一些努力要達成的目標但是如果能夠促成兩位元首見面當好事但困難度很高嘛那雙方能不能不管是願意公開的通商化或者是\n629138\t629258\t那未來會不會嘗試?\n650798\t652659\t我最後一分鐘提醒外交部,外交是整體的國力,經濟是外交,國防是外交\n668810\t684026\t這個是部長你提過的所以當川普選擇內閣就任他看到亞洲看到印太他不喜歡說亞太他喜歡說印太對他看到印太的時候看到中國問題的時候他一定要思考台灣的角色這跟安全跟國防有關\n684787\t705780\t他看到國內就業機會的時候避免雙重割稅這個我們跟美國遊說很久美國民主共和兩黨都承諾選後要來處理這個避免雙重割稅可以讓我們的企業從墨西哥北部的邊境往北移到美國境內創造就業機會而這個對話過程如果讓民間去努力外交部跟我們政府角色就不見了\n706821\t721729\t政府要有角色去統合我們經濟的力量不管是集體電路公司或者是傳統製造公司當美國要MEGA要把工作帶回美國的時候他要跟盟友來溝通這個時候\n723370\t723390\t好,謝謝。\n","txt":"謝謝召委,麻煩林佳雯部長請林部長今天有相當多的事情要請教外交部首先在11月份左右我們有四個重要的朋友的選舉那這四個選舉其實蠻有代表性的剛好代表我們外交很重要的四個樣態\n第一個是在美國他是我們的重要的外交盟友那總統大選昨天完成了那川普再度進到白宮然後並且在參眾兩院全部都過半可以說是完全執政另外一個是我們的鄰國重要的地緣政治的鄰國也是我們經貿安全重要的隔壁鄰居日本\n日本大選完了在11月11號連續4天要進行內閣總理大臣的推舉而且他們現在目前沒有一個政黨過半必須採取多黨聯盟或者少數政府另外一個是我們的正式邦交國這個是在\n王定宇\n這幾年在歐洲外交關係突破的你可以叫他攤頭堡你也可以叫他成為重要的朋友也是一個新型態的模式以台灣代表處開啟在歐洲進駐的一個方式那立陶宛大選其實立陶宛的執政黨很少連任的\n立法院大選每一次都會輪這一次是反對黨成為國會最大黨即將接任總理的帕魯克斯有對跟台灣的關係做出一些講法大概這四個我們先從美國總統大選川普再度回到白宮國會過半完全執政對於我們外交部來講因應一個格局我們雖然不押寶\n民主共和都是我們的好朋友但是我相信每一種可能性每一種scenario我們都要做好準備外交部有沒有預判川普可能的重要人事佈局特別是在國務卿、國安層級以及貿易談判代表這三個會影響到台灣的安全、國防以及我們的經貿的談判你們目前研判怎麼樣\n是,我們自從兩黨總統候選人在初選期間提名的時候我們就已經有整理他們重要的這些人事佈局可能的名單那你預估,我們當然不能講誰是誰的位子因為川普自己都還沒定有哪些名字浮在我們的預判裡面\n委員會主席\n談判代表其實我提醒你要注意一下談判代表其實\n不管做TIFA或者未來我們兩邊的BTA現在叫做那個21世紀貿易什麼倡議談判代表其實很重要那因為他現在是一個強勢政權國會過半總統普選票也贏代表票也贏所以川普的政策他其實就有去\n執行的壓力包含關稅100%、200%這件事情我覺得對中國來講關稅可能是一件大事情就是經貿關稅、區域安全他在昨天長達40幾分鐘的等於勝選演說裡面其實對外關係講的不多他大概只提到一次說我們擁有比中國更多的東西\n我不是來start War我不會來開啟戰爭我要來Stop我要來終止戰爭大概提到這一塊所以就外交部目前看起來川普對台有沒有什麼政策是值得我們要注意的如常的沒有問題的我們都知道大概大方向都不變有沒有需要注意的部分\n我想他當然是以就是剛講內政為主在經濟跟移民問題上那其實在地緣政治上他也有一些主張所以這方面會對我們的影響以及如何因應我們也是都有所準備\n當時川普在第一任總統任內有關印太戰略架構在2018年提早解密還透過澳洲的媒體解密那個架構把第一島鏈\n第二島鏈第一島鏈要嚇阻中國對第一島鏈的威脅第二島鏈要成為完全能夠採摘就美國跟盟友要能夠完全控制第二島鏈他那個印太戰略架構是他上一次要連任之前揭露出來的東西這個會不會延續對我們影響很重要第二個他在國際經貿他甚至於他上次TPP就要退出的\n所以對於這種多邊的經貿組織他才採取什麼態度他的人事跟政策會影響到他對於區域安全是讓你自己負責還是會積極介入\n讓你自己負責是你要什麼我給你這個都會影響這個我建議要多研究因為這個還在演變成說未來我也許跟林玉清召委我們還會等他們人事佈局更穩定一點我們甚至於要到華府一趟或者我們可能這個台美國會聯誼會因為我們很多這個台灣Caucus的成員都連任其實國會是很重要的不分民主共和有台的\n臺灣連線的國會議員連任率很高目前還是國會最大的力量這個是我們要掌握住的我跟委員回應一下確實如你所言其實美台關係的架構主要是在川普他在第一任總統任內其實設定包括印太戰略包括對台軍售的常態化\n包括呢EPPD就是這個所謂1加1等於3就是經濟繁榮夥伴對話架構以及呢高層的互訪層次很高到次卿的層次到臺灣衛生部長另外一期我覺得一個非常重要的是\n就是說對台灣來講我想這些架構性的東西我們應該是會做基礎他有沒有用一些人事或政策去推翻自己上一任的架構我剛剛提醒是這件事情他如果推翻上一任的架構我們就要\n用什麼字呢?Be cautious我們要小心你懂意思嗎?因為這一任的川普跟下一任的川普我們不能假設是一樣的那我接下來要請教的就是你剛才提到歐布萊恩歐布萊恩他有去轉發並且加了一些文字去我們賴清德總統對川普的賀文在X上面那X的老闆X的老闆馬斯克也是川普他昨天也花了好長時間在俄羅馬斯克所以\n這個文他有轉發那一般有人預計說歐布萊恩可能是國安顧問或者國務卿我們不要去預測因為預測搞不好害了他本來有會變沒有所以我的意思是說除了歐布萊恩以外我們目前外交部或我們的國安高層有沒有跟川普總統重要的幕僚直接的接觸有或沒有\n接觸的成績是誰?\n有提到賴清德總統當然在X上面這是一個非正式的恭賀我相信外交體系應該有把正式的賀文透過駐美代表處轉給對已經這個致函已經我提醒我們對美經營是所以對於拜登總統在過去四年對台灣的協助我們要百發感謝\n我們對於川普總統的即將就任表示恭賀那上一次川普總統就任沒多久跟小英總統有直接通上電話有經過一些穿梭聯繫那目前我們外交部也好國安高層也好跟賴清德總統這一邊有沒有跟川普的幕僚直接通上話然後未來有沒有直接見到面或聯絡的安排或努力有還是沒有\n我們有聯繫的管道,但是並沒有就像如說電話這方面有任何的討論我再把問題講一遍,你跟他重要的幕僚要有直接的溝通管道,這個很重要\n然後這溝通管道我們有一些努力要達成的目標但是如果能夠促成兩位元首見面當好事但困難度很高嘛那雙方能不能不管是願意公開的通商化或者是\n那未來會不會嘗試?\n我最後一分鐘提醒外交部,外交是整體的國力,經濟是外交,國防是外交\n這個是部長你提過的所以當川普選擇內閣就任他看到亞洲看到印太他不喜歡說亞太他喜歡說印太對他看到印太的時候看到中國問題的時候他一定要思考台灣的角色這跟安全跟國防有關\n他看到國內就業機會的時候避免雙重割稅這個我們跟美國遊說很久美國民主共和兩黨都承諾選後要來處理這個避免雙重割稅可以讓我們的企業從墨西哥北部的邊境往北移到美國境內創造就業機會而這個對話過程如果讓民間去努力外交部跟我們政府角色就不見了\n政府要有角色去統合我們經濟的力量不管是集體電路公司或者是傳統製造公司當美國要MEGA要把工作帶回美國的時候他要跟盟友來溝通這個時候\n好,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.126 --> 00:28.672\n謝謝召委,麻煩林佳雯部長請林部長今天有相當多的事情要請教外交部首先在11月份左右我們有四個重要的朋友的選舉那這四個選舉其實蠻有代表性的剛好代表我們外交很重要的四個樣態\n\n00:29.952 --> 00:54.860\n第一個是在美國他是我們的重要的外交盟友那總統大選昨天完成了那川普再度進到白宮然後並且在參眾兩院全部都過半可以說是完全執政另外一個是我們的鄰國重要的地緣政治的鄰國也是我們經貿安全重要的隔壁鄰居日本\n\n00:55.620 --> 01:11.753\n日本大選完了在11月11號連續4天要進行內閣總理大臣的推舉而且他們現在目前沒有一個政黨過半必須採取多黨聯盟或者少數政府另外一個是我們的正式邦交國這個是在\n\n01:13.114 --> 01:13.254\n王定宇\n\n01:29.447 --> 01:45.281\n這幾年在歐洲外交關係突破的你可以叫他攤頭堡你也可以叫他成為重要的朋友也是一個新型態的模式以台灣代表處開啟在歐洲進駐的一個方式那立陶宛大選其實立陶宛的執政黨很少連任的\n\n01:45.922 --> 02:10.291\n立法院大選每一次都會輪這一次是反對黨成為國會最大黨即將接任總理的帕魯克斯有對跟台灣的關係做出一些講法大概這四個我們先從美國總統大選川普再度回到白宮國會過半完全執政對於我們外交部來講因應一個格局我們雖然不押寶\n\n02:11.371 --> 02:36.028\n民主共和都是我們的好朋友但是我相信每一種可能性每一種scenario我們都要做好準備外交部有沒有預判川普可能的重要人事佈局特別是在國務卿、國安層級以及貿易談判代表這三個會影響到台灣的安全、國防以及我們的經貿的談判你們目前研判怎麼樣\n\n02:37.054 --> 03:01.366\n是,我們自從兩黨總統候選人在初選期間提名的時候我們就已經有整理他們重要的這些人事佈局可能的名單那你預估,我們當然不能講誰是誰的位子因為川普自己都還沒定有哪些名字浮在我們的預判裡面\n\n03:02.863 --> 03:03.644\n委員會主席\n\n03:22.273 --> 03:24.895\n談判代表其實我提醒你要注意一下談判代表其實\n\n03:49.850 --> 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07:03.337\n臺灣連線的國會議員連任率很高目前還是國會最大的力量這個是我們要掌握住的我跟委員回應一下確實如你所言其實美台關係的架構主要是在川普他在第一任總統任內其實設定包括印太戰略包括對台軍售的常態化\n\n07:04.217 --> 07:20.253\n包括呢EPPD就是這個所謂1加1等於3就是經濟繁榮夥伴對話架構以及呢高層的互訪層次很高到次卿的層次到臺灣衛生部長另外一期我覺得一個非常重要的是\n\n07:21.454 --> 07:39.397\n就是說對台灣來講我想這些架構性的東西我們應該是會做基礎他有沒有用一些人事或政策去推翻自己上一任的架構我剛剛提醒是這件事情他如果推翻上一任的架構我們就要\n\n07:41.263 --> 08:09.949\n用什麼字呢?Becautious我們要小心你懂意思嗎?因為這一任的川普跟下一任的川普我們不能假設是一樣的那我接下來要請教的就是你剛才提到歐布萊恩歐布萊恩他有去轉發並且加了一些文字去我們賴清德總統對川普的賀文在X上面那X的老闆X的老闆馬斯克也是川普他昨天也花了好長時間在俄羅馬斯克所以\n\n08:11.049 --> 08:33.496\n這個文他有轉發那一般有人預計說歐布萊恩可能是國安顧問或者國務卿我們不要去預測因為預測搞不好害了他本來有會變沒有所以我的意思是說除了歐布萊恩以外我們目前外交部或我們的國安高層有沒有跟川普總統重要的幕僚直接的接觸有或沒有\n\n08:35.179 --> 08:35.940\n接觸的成績是誰?\n\n09:00.609 --> 09:22.527\n有提到賴清德總統當然在X上面這是一個非正式的恭賀我相信外交體系應該有把正式的賀文透過駐美代表處轉給對已經這個致函已經我提醒我們對美經營是所以對於拜登總統在過去四年對台灣的協助我們要百發感謝\n\n09:24.161 --> 09:53.031\n我們對於川普總統的即將就任表示恭賀那上一次川普總統就任沒多久跟小英總統有直接通上電話有經過一些穿梭聯繫那目前我們外交部也好國安高層也好跟賴清德總統這一邊有沒有跟川普的幕僚直接通上話然後未來有沒有直接見到面或聯絡的安排或努力有還是沒有\n\n09:53.971 --> 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