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00:01:11,206\n不是因為新的政府美國然後造成了我們台灣的壓力今天我們要講的我們過去從拜登政府這幾年推動的全球民主信賴夥伴關係\n\n4\n00:01:13,922 --> 00:01:30,442\n我相信這一定會有不同改變的一個角度不同改變的角度因為我們當然希望我們的信賴這個夥伴關係能夠存在那當然以拜登上任之後可能會有所的改變\n\n5\n00:01:31,403 --> 00:01:47,703\n因為我們可以了解拜登在選舉之前都已經對世界對我們台灣都已經表達了他們將要採取什麼樣的策略跟政策你來回答一下\n\n6\n00:01:49,771 --> 00:01:51,152\n現在我講的是,川普現在未來對台灣實施什麼樣的手段?\n\n7\n00:02:11,260 --> 00:02:27,936\n就是包括像台灣關係法、六項保證還有有關於國會通過的這些法案這些都是會延續的這第一層第二層就是他的政策我剛剛提過其實在川普第一任總統的時候其實現在會來拜登\n\n8\n00:02:28,897 --> 00:02:31,240\n本席在觀察川普執政的特色如下\n\n9\n00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:58,827\n第一個,美國優先,以美國為酬薪的單邊主義,減少美國的安潛責任,交易主義以及關稅自擺病等這些特色都容易\n\n10\n00:02:59,367 --> 00:03:17,299\n以引起其他國家的不滿甚至造成其他國家的利益直接受損川普過去不是只對中國大陸採取不友善策略對北約、歐盟也是如此可見他的想法是想把世界欺風為美國跟非美國\n\n11\n00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:38,865\n只在乎美國是否能夠獲得利己的利益所以這就是我們現在要思考的問題台灣未來是不是他要重新的調整提高保護費用為什麼因為有兩項的問題你先回答我剛剛前面的問題\n\n12\n00:03:39,915 --> 00:03:59,651\n就是說對川普的路線有各種的名詞我不太用這些名詞是因為對美國優先其實任何總統執政都是美國優先只是說他的作風跟怎麼樣去形成一個在國際穩定的力量他做法不盡相同那對台灣來講台灣的重要性啊問題現在我針對對台灣未來採取什麼樣的手段第一個\n\n13\n00:04:06,498 --> 00:04:17,161\n他已經對外說要對台灣要收集保護費這保護費項目是什麼是提高經費的經購的這些預算還是要從整個總預算的1.2兆\n\n14\n00:04:23,643 --> 00:04:24,403\n現在是美國沒有在台灣駐軍所以這個所謂保護會這種講法是後來媒體把他可能簡略或可能有一點誤導\n\n15\n00:04:40,333 --> 00:04:54,597\n我們本來就在臺海的安全就是臺灣自己我們要盡一份責任那我們的盟邦他有基於臺灣關係法六項保證還有這些軍售我現在問的是未來我們現在我們要去面對我們要針對我們國內國人的關心第一個臺灣半頭體美國說強美國說強我們的這個\n\n16\n00:05:07,381 --> 00:05:28,312\n美國說搶我們的生意,搶我們台灣報導體搶美國的生意,要向台灣收保護費,這要對美國所有的進口的產品都要加徵百分之十的關稅,這就是問題所在,百分之十有多少?\n\n17\n00:05:29,841 --> 00:05:32,182\n所以現在國人要擔心的是什麼?川普當選之後\n\n18\n00:05:49,368 --> 00:06:08,811\n對全球甚至對台灣我們現在是台灣最關心的議題就是未來我們是不是要提高我們的這個軍購的這個預算還是要從他的整個總預算裡面要收其保護費用是所以這就是\n\n19\n00:06:09,031 --> 00:06:27,356\n我跟委員報告我們比如說我們跟對方溝通我會呈現說比如過去八年來我們的國防預算從每一年這個3300億已經增加到6400多億我們的增加率八成以上而且未來還會持續增加而且我們對美國的一個軍購他們我們的軍購就是他有200多億美金還沒有\n\n20\n00:06:33,058 --> 00:06:33,819\n因為時間因素,你再說一個書面的給我報告好不好?\n\n21\n00:06:58,601 --> 00:07:03,924\n我們把給美國的縮帖要給委員這個我請同仁有關大家關心的一個是經費另外一個就是所謂軍費這兩個我們的縮帖要提供給委員我們現在是以台立外交身邊就是我們的立陶宛10月底立陶宛在國會大選後由社民黨成為國會的最大黨並組成聯合政府日前準總統這個帕魯克斯表示\n\n22\n00:07:28,877 --> 00:07:53,251\n將尋求與中國大陸全面恢復正常外交關係．並稱立陶宛以諾台灣開設以台灣為名稱的代表處．為對外記者說是外交錯誤。．這個台立關係生變的第一個警訊是社民黨在今年的5月份．\n\n23\n00:07:54,591 --> 00:08:18,789\n總統大選的時候而連任的納塞達總統也曾經表示過要把以台灣名義設立的代表處改為台北那以穩定與中國大陸的關係所以當時的前任的吳釗燮部長當時也說信誓旦旦的說名稱不會改變短短半年即使又申辯了發生這樣的狀況部長\n\n24\n00:08:21,391 --> 00:08:30,173\n在你心上任你有什麼樣應對這樣的一個問題將會生變如何應應首先我國駐立陶宛代表出的名稱是臺灣跟立陶宛雙方政府當時達致的共識跟決定我們當然會努力去維護它我想任何變更也需要經過雙方面的一個程序至於說他們的這個\n\n25\n00:08:50,896 --> 00:09:05,242\n大選完之後新政府的組成未來的在這個政策上我們並不反對立法院跟中國關係正常化這個設大使館可是這不矛盾嘛立法院跟台灣發展正常的外交關係\n\n26\n00:09:06,562 --> 00:09:12,428\n現在已經提示了外交錯誤已經他們是對國際媒體表達了外交錯誤並希望我們以台灣改立為台北這個就是一個警訊了\n\n27\n00:09:26,303 --> 00:09:42,421\n我覺得委員你可能要稍微他後半段他也有提到說其實立陶宛是一個主權他這個國家啦其實也不是說在外力下壓迫他就一定就會改變那我們當然要去努力怎麼樣去實質的增進台力關係\n\n28\n00:09:43,542 --> 00:09:45,023\n外交錯誤是我們的台灣設立在立陶宛就是一個外交錯誤這是一個警訊\n\n29\n00:10:08,503 --> 00:10:14,274\n他們沒有共識我們再怎麼要求他們也沒有他們也不接受我們的共識的話那怎麼辦現在問題就在這裡\n\n30\n00:10:16,431 --> 00:10:45,251\n我們就是溝通來說明其實立、台、中三邊的關係不是零和的那立陶宛也開創了一個新的模式我想如果中國願意回來跟立陶宛發展正常的關係不要再制裁他們經貿或者是說自己這個撤出大使館這個我們基本上我們都不反對所以立、中跟立、台關係是兩件事情是可以同步來發展創造多贏\n\n31\n00:10:46,394 --> 00:11:07,580\n我們會去溝通,但是委員提到,沒有錯,這個要值得我們要注意,因為這些都代表著說我們外交上未來的挑戰。我跟部長講,我們建立在一個,跟立法院建立的關係,主要的關係,就是一個新冠疫情和俄烏戰爭兩個事件上,其實利益極點並不穩固。\n\n32\n00:11:09,381 --> 00:11:29,707\n尤其在新冠疫情結束後．立即點消失的前提下．台立關係動搖的可能性大增．所以這就是一個主因．那我們也特別請外交部加強．來跟立陶宛再做雙邊的關係．再做一個好好的來．\n\n33\n00:11:32,148 --> 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疫情和俄烏戰爭兩個事件上,其實利益極點並不穩固。\n尤其在新冠疫情結束後．立即點消失的前提下．台立關係動搖的可能性大增．所以這就是一個主因．那我們也特別請外交部加強．來跟立陶宛再做雙邊的關係．再做一個好好的來．\n好,謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.595 --> 00:25.511\n有請我們外交部長。請您部長。好,部長。首先我們先恭喜我們川普能夠當選。是不是帶來全球裡面的安定。\n\n00:28.410 --> 00:53.208\n一代後面的演變是如何但是我們不得不相信你們也要重新的調整跟思考未來對台灣的利益跟美國的利益有怎麼樣的一個互惠跟互動跟未來怎麼樣的合作台灣有它的獨立性\n\n00:54.261 --> 01:11.206\n不是因為新的政府美國然後造成了我們台灣的壓力今天我們要講的我們過去從拜登政府這幾年推動的全球民主信賴夥伴關係\n\n01:13.922 --> 01:30.442\n我相信這一定會有不同改變的一個角度不同改變的角度因為我們當然希望我們的信賴這個夥伴關係能夠存在那當然以拜登上任之後可能會有所的改變\n\n01:31.403 --> 01:47.703\n因為我們可以了解拜登在選舉之前都已經對世界對我們台灣都已經表達了他們將要採取什麼樣的策略跟政策你來回答一下\n\n01:49.771 --> 01:51.152\n現在我講的是,川普現在未來對台灣實施什麼樣的手段?\n\n02:11.260 --> 02:27.936\n就是包括像台灣關係法、六項保證還有有關於國會通過的這些法案這些都是會延續的這第一層第二層就是他的政策我剛剛提過其實在川普第一任總統的時候其實現在會來拜登\n\n02:28.897 --> 02:31.240\n本席在觀察川普執政的特色如下\n\n02:42.639 --> 02:58.827\n第一個,美國優先,以美國為酬薪的單邊主義,減少美國的安潛責任,交易主義以及關稅自擺病等這些特色都容易\n\n02:59.367 --> 03:17.299\n以引起其他國家的不滿甚至造成其他國家的利益直接受損川普過去不是只對中國大陸採取不友善策略對北約、歐盟也是如此可見他的想法是想把世界欺風為美國跟非美國\n\n03:18.500 --> 03:38.865\n只在乎美國是否能夠獲得利己的利益所以這就是我們現在要思考的問題台灣未來是不是他要重新的調整提高保護費用為什麼因為有兩項的問題你先回答我剛剛前面的問題\n\n03:39.915 --> 03:59.651\n就是說對川普的路線有各種的名詞我不太用這些名詞是因為對美國優先其實任何總統執政都是美國優先只是說他的作風跟怎麼樣去形成一個在國際穩定的力量他做法不盡相同那對台灣來講台灣的重要性啊問題現在我針對對台灣未來採取什麼樣的手段第一個\n\n04:06.498 --> 04:17.161\n他已經對外說要對台灣要收集保護費這保護費項目是什麼是提高經費的經購的這些預算還是要從整個總預算的1.2兆\n\n04:23.643 --> 04:24.403\n現在是美國沒有在台灣駐軍所以這個所謂保護會這種講法是後來媒體把他可能簡略或可能有一點誤導\n\n04:40.333 --> 04:54.597\n我們本來就在臺海的安全就是臺灣自己我們要盡一份責任那我們的盟邦他有基於臺灣關係法六項保證還有這些軍售我現在問的是未來我們現在我們要去面對我們要針對我們國內國人的關心第一個臺灣半頭體美國說強美國說強我們的這個\n\n05:07.381 --> 05:28.312\n美國說搶我們的生意,搶我們台灣報導體搶美國的生意,要向台灣收保護費,這要對美國所有的進口的產品都要加徵百分之十的關稅,這就是問題所在,百分之十有多少?\n\n05:29.841 --> 05:32.182\n所以現在國人要擔心的是什麼?川普當選之後\n\n05:49.368 --> 06:08.811\n對全球甚至對台灣我們現在是台灣最關心的議題就是未來我們是不是要提高我們的這個軍購的這個預算還是要從他的整個總預算裡面要收其保護費用是所以這就是\n\n06:09.031 --> 06:27.356\n我跟委員報告我們比如說我們跟對方溝通我會呈現說比如過去八年來我們的國防預算從每一年這個3300億已經增加到6400多億我們的增加率八成以上而且未來還會持續增加而且我們對美國的一個軍購他們我們的軍購就是他有200多億美金還沒有\n\n06:33.058 --> 06:33.819\n因為時間因素,你再說一個書面的給我報告好不好?\n\n06:58.601 --> 07:03.924\n我們把給美國的縮帖要給委員這個我請同仁有關大家關心的一個是經費另外一個就是所謂軍費這兩個我們的縮帖要提供給委員我們現在是以台立外交身邊就是我們的立陶宛10月底立陶宛在國會大選後由社民黨成為國會的最大黨並組成聯合政府日前準總統這個帕魯克斯表示\n\n07:28.877 --> 07:53.251\n將尋求與中國大陸全面恢復正常外交關係．並稱立陶宛以諾台灣開設以台灣為名稱的代表處．為對外記者說是外交錯誤。．這個台立關係生變的第一個警訊是社民黨在今年的5月份．\n\n07:54.591 --> 08:18.789\n總統大選的時候而連任的納塞達總統也曾經表示過要把以台灣名義設立的代表處改為台北那以穩定與中國大陸的關係所以當時的前任的吳釗燮部長當時也說信誓旦旦的說名稱不會改變短短半年即使又申辯了發生這樣的狀況部長\n\n08:21.391 --> 08:30.173\n在你心上任你有什麼樣應對這樣的一個問題將會生變如何應應首先我國駐立陶宛代表出的名稱是臺灣跟立陶宛雙方政府當時達致的共識跟決定我們當然會努力去維護它我想任何變更也需要經過雙方面的一個程序至於說他們的這個\n\n08:50.896 --> 09:05.242\n大選完之後新政府的組成未來的在這個政策上我們並不反對立法院跟中國關係正常化這個設大使館可是這不矛盾嘛立法院跟台灣發展正常的外交關係\n\n09:06.562 --> 09:12.428\n現在已經提示了外交錯誤已經他們是對國際媒體表達了外交錯誤並希望我們以台灣改立為台北這個就是一個警訊了\n\n09:26.303 --> 09:42.421\n我覺得委員你可能要稍微他後半段他也有提到說其實立陶宛是一個主權他這個國家啦其實也不是說在外力下壓迫他就一定就會改變那我們當然要去努力怎麼樣去實質的增進台力關係\n\n09:43.542 --> 09:45.023\n外交錯誤是我們的台灣設立在立陶宛就是一個外交錯誤這是一個警訊\n\n10:08.503 --> 10:14.274\n他們沒有共識我們再怎麼要求他們也沒有他們也不接受我們的共識的話那怎麼辦現在問題就在這裡\n\n10:16.431 --> 10:45.251\n我們就是溝通來說明其實立、台、中三邊的關係不是零和的那立陶宛也開創了一個新的模式我想如果中國願意回來跟立陶宛發展正常的關係不要再制裁他們經貿或者是說自己這個撤出大使館這個我們基本上我們都不反對所以立、中跟立、台關係是兩件事情是可以同步來發展創造多贏\n\n10:46.394 --> 11:07.580\n我們會去溝通,但是委員提到,沒有錯,這個要值得我們要注意,因為這些都代表著說我們外交上未來的挑戰。我跟部長講,我們建立在一個,跟立法院建立的關係,主要的關係,就是一個新冠疫情和俄烏戰爭兩個事件上,其實利益極點並不穩固。\n\n11:09.381 --> 11:29.707\n尤其在新冠疫情結束後．立即點消失的前提下．台立關係動搖的可能性大增．所以這就是一個主因．那我們也特別請外交部加強．來跟立陶宛再做雙邊的關係．再做一個好好的來．\n\n11:32.148 --> 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：委員，他用關稅作為美國優先的一個手段，這不是只針對臺灣，他對中國甚至要增加課徵六成的關稅嘛……"],["黃委員仁：我們不講別的，我們講臺灣就好了，現在國人擔心的是什麼，川普當選之後，對全球甚至對臺灣，現在臺灣最關心的議題就是未來我們是不是要提高軍購預算，還是要從整個總預算裡面來收取保護費用，這就是兩個……"],["林部長佳龍：是，我跟委員報告，我們跟對方溝通時，我會呈現的是，比如過去八年來，我們的國防預算從每一年3,300億已經增加到六千四百多億，我們的增加率八成以上，而且未來還會持續增加，我們對美國的……"],["黃委員仁：如果他不接受呢……"],["林部長佳龍：我們的軍購，它還有二百多億美金的軍售武器還沒有遞交，所以我們都透過一定的溝通，我們要不卑不亢，本來我們就要持續，因為隨著我們GDP及預算的增加，我們的比例跟總額也會增加。"],["黃委員仁：部長，因為時間因素，你再提供一個書面的報告給我，好不好？"],["林部長佳龍：好，這個我們有說帖，我們把給美國的說帖也給委員，我請同仁準備，大家關心的一個是晶片，另外一個就是軍費，這兩個說帖我們會提供給委員。"],["黃委員仁：好。另外，現在我們臺立外交生變，就是10月底立陶宛國會大選後由社民黨成為國會最大黨，並組成聯合政府，日前準總理帕魯克斯表示，將尋求與中國大陸全面恢復正常外交關係，並稱立陶宛允諾臺灣開設以「臺灣」為名稱的代表處為外交錯誤，他對外向記者表示是外交錯誤。臺立關係生變的第一個警訊是社民黨在今年5月份總統大選的時候，連任的瑙塞達總統也曾經表示過，要把以「臺灣」名義設立的代表處改為「臺北」，以穩定與中國大陸的關係，當時前外交部吳釗燮部長也信誓旦旦的說名稱不會改變，短短半年又生變了，又發生這樣的狀況，部長，你新上任，你會怎麼樣來應對這樣的問題？對於將會生變這個部分如何因應？"],["林部長佳龍：首先，我國駐立陶宛代表處的名稱是臺灣跟立陶宛雙方政府當時達致的共識跟決定，我們當然會努力去維護，我想任何變更也需要經過雙方面的程序。至於他們大選完後新政府組成，未來對於這個政策，我們並不反對立陶宛跟中國關係正常化、設大使館，這不矛盾嘛，立陶宛跟臺灣發展正常的外交關係，這個不一定要去受制於中國嘛……"],["黃委員仁：現在已經提示了說這是外交錯誤，他們對國際媒體表達那是外交錯誤，並希望我們將「臺灣」改為「臺北」，這個就是一個警訊了。另外就是……"],["林部長佳龍：我覺得委員可能要稍微，他在後半段也有提到其實立陶宛是一個主權國家，也不是在外力的壓迫下就一定會改變，我們當然要去努力，怎麼樣去實質的增進臺立關係，除了理念相近之外，我們跟他們的經貿及各方面合作也很重要……"],["黃委員仁：立陶宛是主權國家，他已經跟我們臺灣是本來邦交的國家裡面，好，它現在已經要跟大陸進行雙邊關係或是直接關係，它已經對外講了是外交錯誤，說以「臺灣」為名在立陶宛設代表處是一個外交錯誤，這就是一個警訊，現在他們沒有共識，我們再怎麼要求他們也不接受我們的共識的話怎麼辦？現在問題就在這裡。"],["林部長佳龍：我們就是會去溝通、說明，其實立臺中三邊的關係不是零和的，立陶宛也開創了一個新的模式，我想如果中國願意回來跟立陶宛發展正常的關係，不要再制裁他們的經貿，或者是自己撤出大使館，我們基本上都不反對，所以立中跟立臺關係是兩件事情，是可以同步來發展，創造多贏，我們會去溝通，但是委員提的沒有錯，這個值得我們去注意，因為這些都代表我們外交上未來的挑戰。"],["黃委員仁：我跟部長講，我們跟立陶宛建立關係，主要就是在新冠疫情和俄烏戰爭兩個事件上，其實立基點並不穩固，尤其在新冠疫情結束後，立基點消失的前提下，臺立關係動搖的可能性大增，這就是一個主因。我們也特別請外交部加強跟立陶宛的雙邊關係，好好的把我們的理念告訴他們，我們希望能夠穩住穩定我們的邦交國，好不好？"],["林部長佳龍：我們朝委員剛剛提示的方向來努力，確實如你所說，怎麼去穩固雙邊的關係，讓它更紮實，不會因為中國是不是跟立陶宛恢復設置大使館而受到影響。"],["黃委員仁：好，謝謝部長。"],["主席：謝謝黃仁委員，部長請回。","接下來請馬文君委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":364,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-11","speakers":["林憶君","王定宇","陳冠廷","黃仁","馬文君","林楚茵","徐巧芯","羅美玲","沈伯洋","洪申翰","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷","賴士葆","李坤城","牛煦庭","羅智強","葉元之","陳永康"],"page_start":301,"meetingDate":["2024-11-07"],"gazette_id":"1139501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139501_00009"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長、大陸委員會報告「美國總統大選後，對於美中台三邊關係及未來國際局勢發展\n之影響」，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139501_00018"}}}