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00:02:01,338\n那也會造成我國就業機會的一個剝奪在這樣的一個情況之下尤其我們記得在前年那台積電要赴美的時候就有用專機載了我國人這些的工程人才過去所以在這樣的背景之下請教部長如果這些都屬實我們怎麼應對\n\n6\n00:02:03,237 --> 00:02:31,714\n報告委員我想這個川普先前宣稱將這個台積電偷走美國半導體的工作機會是我想這個是他可能還是有一些誤解那對他是誤解我認為他是誤解是那事實上也有很多的專家學者都在談論這個議題是就是說臺美雙方在經濟特別是這個半導體供應鏈上面其實是互補的\n\n7\n00:02:32,674 --> 00:02:56,776\n那麼沒有台積電美國的大型科技無法取得具有價格競爭力的先進半導體晶片所以他想要說2奈米提早進行這個是一個趨勢是一個趨勢但是會提早什麼時候進行是這個必須要美國的客戶他們的需求因為什麼\n\n8\n00:02:57,591 --> 00:03:14,572\n因為臺灣做製造的然後送到美國就10%的稅金所以這個只是增加他們的成本但是在美國製造它也只有降10%\n\n9\n00:03:15,934 --> 00:03:34,729\n所以對這個高科技的東西動輒像這個幾個大型的這個公司他們的獲利不是說幾十%是幾倍的所以他們是沒差,他們是要穩的在台灣製造是比較穩,良率比較高本來就是有這樣的條件\n\n10\n00:03:36,750 --> 00:03:54,420\n是那如果照剛剛部長您所說的也就是我們還是樂觀以對但是部長因為換了總統他的作為不是我們可以預估當然我們有我們自己觀察的一個管道跟我們的方向但是我還是要建議我們務必要怎麼樣讓我國的就業率\n\n11\n00:03:58,803 --> 00:04:15,678\n可以得到保障同時也讓協助我們的廠商可以讓臺灣產業界能夠來穩定我想這個是我們現在所必須要去謹慎的去觀察之而且必須要有超前部署的應對方式\n\n12\n00:04:17,377 --> 00:04:44,576\n謝謝委員的這個指教我在上任以後我有提出這個境外關內的這個做法也就是說碰到像川普總統這樣的一個作為的話那麼我們在供應鏈上面就會移動到這個美國去那幫助他們我們這個商務組會幫助他們來談更優惠的這個條件因為是落實他的這個讓美國更偉大的這樣的一個策略\n\n13\n00:04:44,616 --> 00:05:04,245\n希望達到雙贏的這個政策嗎?對,我們是朝這個方向在努力朝什麼方向?朝雙贏的方向雙贏的方向嗎?好,我們繼續努力那接下來本校要請教,他曾經說了,川普先生也說了說你台灣要保護可以啊,你叫保護會啊那你應該要找更多的保護會啊甚至他提出必須要我們GDP的10%\n\n14\n00:05:06,326 --> 00:05:18,290\n那如果依照我們2025年的這個預算來看呢我們的國防預算是6470億那等於是增加比2024年增加的7.7%那等於是佔我們GDP的2.45%那如果陳路達所說的要增加到10%那等於是要多少?是要2.6兆!請教部長可能嗎?我方可能會如此嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:31,285 --> 00:05:53,910\n我想這個是國防部跟外交部他們可以一起努力的部分部長你這麼回答我給你應許也讚許就是說你朝著你的本位也就是他們未來會怎麼樣但是重點在這裡會不會衝擊到我們對經濟的一個發展的影響這個是我們必須要努力\n\n16\n00:05:54,750 --> 00:06:11,770\n去站在我們經濟的角度好好的去保護我們的這個產業對不對是朝這個方向嘛那接下來本席要請教也就是說川普先生呢他主要他就是低稅率低利率以及高關稅的這個情況\n\n17\n00:06:13,812 --> 00:06:41,825\n他也說囉他說呢這個大家都把便宜的東西呢傾銷到他們那邊去所以在這種情況之下他的一個決策也就是增高關稅增高關稅呢所以我們是以出國為傾向喔那對於出國為導向的國家那勢必會有所影響如果美元貶台幣升那在這樣的情況之下我首先要請教請教主委請教部長\n\n18\n00:06:42,825 --> 00:06:47,573\n我們要怎麼樣去保護我們的產業你所當其衝的\n\n19\n00:06:49,216 --> 00:07:10,672\n會有哪些產業請教我們大概現在蘇美的這個部分蘇美國的部分因為他是科技國家所以大概科技商品會比較多那我們盡量把這個我剛才有跟委員報告我這個境外關內的這個措施協助我們台灣的這個產業移到這個境外去生產這樣\n\n20\n00:07:16,823 --> 00:07:35,671\n移到美國去生產但是這個也會衝擊到我國國內的就業率應該是不會啦因為我們那些產業基本上都在不在國內生產都已經在海外其他的國家上你把境外我國境外的產業移到美國去生產異地去生產就解除了它的高關稅是\n\n21\n00:07:36,952 --> 00:07:51,061\n你是不是如此但是方向是這樣方向是這樣但是部長我要告訴你臺灣的中小企業占了98%如果你競爭優勢強的當然如你所說的你的政策它可以安穩過關\n\n22\n00:07:52,262 --> 00:08:09,627\n但是如果它的競爭力弱它也走不了的那這些產業佔我國國內非常重大的一個比例那怎麼辦呢?這個部分我們大概會透過數位化跟低碳化的兩個措施來協助\n\n23\n00:08:10,627 --> 00:08:24,978\n這一些比較艱苦的傳統產業讓它能夠升級讓它具有低成本然後可以有高值化的這個這樣的努力我想這樣來協助他們讓他可以堅強自己的這個腳步啊這個方向是對\n\n24\n00:08:28,180 --> 00:08:52,599\n但是委員跟你討論的就是說這個腳步你一定要加強你的預算也要增加因為我們已經可以預測到我們如果比較競爭力弱而且它是整個它要轉換成本低的它有困難的我們必須要去協助它這是政府非常重要的一個角色扮演務必要達成成功請委員支持這個預算\n\n25\n00:08:55,043 --> 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--> 00:14.667\n請楊瓊英委員謝謝主席本席邀請我們郭部長請經濟部郭部長\n\n00:22.639 --> 00:50.916\n委員長部長好昨天大家非常關注全球2024年美國大選結果是川普當選第47屆那大家都很清楚川普的經濟政策他的核心是要創造就業那所以我們也看到在今年的這個7月份的時候呢他接受了彭博商業週刊的訪問當中他也提出了首次提出主張\n\n00:51.857 --> 01:14.935\n他說臺灣已經從美國搶走了幾乎100%晶片的產業那我們可以預見也就是川普政府他會要求臺積電更多的生產線拉回美國讓美國有更多的就業機會那我們也看到了我們的臺晶院預測中心的順利的主任\n\n01:15.655 --> 01:33.940\n他也預測他說2奈米會提前赴美那在這樣的一個情況之下想請教部長如果是這種情況的時候他不只是影響到臺積電工程師跟相關供應的產業的這個廠商的人才會被美國這個奪走\n\n01:38.641 --> 02:01.338\n那也會造成我國就業機會的一個剝奪在這樣的一個情況之下尤其我們記得在前年那台積電要赴美的時候就有用專機載了我國人這些的工程人才過去所以在這樣的背景之下請教部長如果這些都屬實我們怎麼應對\n\n02:03.237 --> 02:31.714\n報告委員我想這個川普先前宣稱將這個台積電偷走美國半導體的工作機會是我想這個是他可能還是有一些誤解那對他是誤解我認為他是誤解是那事實上也有很多的專家學者都在談論這個議題是就是說臺美雙方在經濟特別是這個半導體供應鏈上面其實是互補的\n\n02:32.674 --> 02:56.776\n那麼沒有台積電美國的大型科技無法取得具有價格競爭力的先進半導體晶片所以他想要說2奈米提早進行這個是一個趨勢是一個趨勢但是會提早什麼時候進行是這個必須要美國的客戶他們的需求因為什麼\n\n02:57.591 --> 03:14.572\n因為臺灣做製造的然後送到美國就10%的稅金所以這個只是增加他們的成本但是在美國製造它也只有降10%\n\n03:15.934 --> 03:34.729\n所以對這個高科技的東西動輒像這個幾個大型的這個公司他們的獲利不是說幾十%是幾倍的所以他們是沒差,他們是要穩的在台灣製造是比較穩,良率比較高本來就是有這樣的條件\n\n03:36.750 --> 03:54.420\n是那如果照剛剛部長您所說的也就是我們還是樂觀以對但是部長因為換了總統他的作為不是我們可以預估當然我們有我們自己觀察的一個管道跟我們的方向但是我還是要建議我們務必要怎麼樣讓我國的就業率\n\n03:58.803 --> 04:15.678\n可以得到保障同時也讓協助我們的廠商可以讓臺灣產業界能夠來穩定我想這個是我們現在所必須要去謹慎的去觀察之而且必須要有超前部署的應對方式\n\n04:17.377 --> 04:44.576\n謝謝委員的這個指教我在上任以後我有提出這個境外關內的這個做法也就是說碰到像川普總統這樣的一個作為的話那麼我們在供應鏈上面就會移動到這個美國去那幫助他們我們這個商務組會幫助他們來談更優惠的這個條件因為是落實他的這個讓美國更偉大的這樣的一個策略\n\n04:44.616 --> 05:04.245\n希望達到雙贏的這個政策嗎?對,我們是朝這個方向在努力朝什麼方向?朝雙贏的方向雙贏的方向嗎?好,我們繼續努力那接下來本校要請教,他曾經說了,川普先生也說了說你台灣要保護可以啊,你叫保護會啊那你應該要找更多的保護會啊甚至他提出必須要我們GDP的10%\n\n05:06.326 --> 05:18.290\n那如果依照我們2025年的這個預算來看呢我們的國防預算是6470億那等於是增加比2024年增加的7.7%那等於是佔我們GDP的2.45%那如果陳路達所說的要增加到10%那等於是要多少?是要2.6兆!請教部長可能嗎?我方可能會如此嗎?\n\n05:31.285 --> 05:53.910\n我想這個是國防部跟外交部他們可以一起努力的部分部長你這麼回答我給你應許也讚許就是說你朝著你的本位也就是他們未來會怎麼樣但是重點在這裡會不會衝擊到我們對經濟的一個發展的影響這個是我們必須要努力\n\n05:54.750 --> 06:11.770\n去站在我們經濟的角度好好的去保護我們的這個產業對不對是朝這個方向嘛那接下來本席要請教也就是說川普先生呢他主要他就是低稅率低利率以及高關稅的這個情況\n\n06:13.812 --> 06:41.825\n他也說囉他說呢這個大家都把便宜的東西呢傾銷到他們那邊去所以在這種情況之下他的一個決策也就是增高關稅增高關稅呢所以我們是以出國為傾向喔那對於出國為導向的國家那勢必會有所影響如果美元貶台幣升那在這樣的情況之下我首先要請教請教主委請教部長\n\n06:42.825 --> 06:47.573\n我們要怎麼樣去保護我們的產業你所當其衝的\n\n06:49.216 --> 07:10.672\n會有哪些產業請教我們大概現在蘇美的這個部分蘇美國的部分因為他是科技國家所以大概科技商品會比較多那我們盡量把這個我剛才有跟委員報告我這個境外關內的這個措施協助我們台灣的這個產業移到這個境外去生產這樣\n\n07:16.823 --> 07:35.671\n移到美國去生產但是這個也會衝擊到我國國內的就業率應該是不會啦因為我們那些產業基本上都在不在國內生產都已經在海外其他的國家上你把境外我國境外的產業移到美國去生產異地去生產就解除了它的高關稅是\n\n07:36.952 --> 07:51.061\n你是不是如此但是方向是這樣方向是這樣但是部長我要告訴你臺灣的中小企業占了98%如果你競爭優勢強的當然如你所說的你的政策它可以安穩過關\n\n07:52.262 --> 08:09.627\n但是如果它的競爭力弱它也走不了的那這些產業佔我國國內非常重大的一個比例那怎麼辦呢?這個部分我們大概會透過數位化跟低碳化的兩個措施來協助\n\n08:10.627 --> 08:24.978\n這一些比較艱苦的傳統產業讓它能夠升級讓它具有低成本然後可以有高值化的這個這樣的努力我想這樣來協助他們讓他可以堅強自己的這個腳步啊這個方向是對\n\n08:28.180 --> 08:52.599\n但是委員跟你討論的就是說這個腳步你一定要加強你的預算也要增加因為我們已經可以預測到我們如果比較競爭力弱而且它是整個它要轉換成本低的它有困難的我們必須要去協助它這是政府非常重要的一個角色扮演務必要達成成功請委員支持這個預算\n\n08:55.043 --> 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