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00:02:21,395\n美國總統馬文君\n\n8\n00:02:45,370 --> 00:02:45,530\n特斯拉執行長\n\n9\n00:03:02,777 --> 00:03:17,123\n馬斯克可是馬斯克對台灣也不是很有善所以今天如果他們兩個湊在一起的時候我們先來回想他們在上一任因為中國電信公司可能成為間諜跟網路攻擊載體所以他對華為跟中興通訊實施了出口管制\n\n10\n00:03:25,126 --> 00:03:45,700\n可是後來因為要求大陸購買美國的農業跟能源的商品以後他就取消了中心通訊的這個管制他一向都是把這個利益放在首位那對我們也是川普在接受媒體訪問就在選舉過程當中他談到如果解放軍對台灣展開武統的時候美國他不是派出第七艦隊來到台灣海峽\n\n11\n00:03:56,487 --> 00:04:22,515\n來解除我們的封鎖然後也不是拿導彈瞄準中國的軍事要塞或重要的基建他是要宣布對中國加關稅所以其實從他很多的做法跟他的言談之間其實很明顯的利益還有他的生意其實都是放在第一位這個部分我們外交部還有沒有什麼比較積極的一個應對的做法\n\n12\n00:04:24,164 --> 00:04:53,544\n是跟委員報告美國是一個民主國家那川普總統得到很大的民意的支持我們要當一回事我們要認真地來去理解他政策背後的民意基礎那確實比如你剛剛提到的幾項比如說你剛剛提到的我們採購了兩百多億美金他還沒有交付武器嘛那現在美國又通過國防這個工業這個戰略的法案那是不是可以有案外包\n\n13\n00:04:54,224 --> 00:04:57,127\n這也是我們擔心的,如果他之前他沒有辦法交給我們是因為俄烏戰爭還有疫情的關係所以他的產業鏈沒有辦法及時供應,如果我們現在把他的外包的這個部分放在重點,未來\n\n14\n00:05:15,328 --> 00:05:20,633\n有可能他把他做不來的現在推到我們台灣來幫他做代工然後回去以後又再高價再賣回台灣這是我們非常擔心的所以這一點先在這裡提醒所以這個不是我們認為其實是可行的他應該要交給我們不管他用什麼樣的方式可是我們在明年的預算上面已經看到他不斷的在加價囉所以我們在這裡再一次提醒因為他還沒有就任可是他未來的做法是以\n\n15\n00:05:43,451 --> 00:05:43,591\n什麼方向?\n\n16\n00:06:11,345 --> 00:06:11,545\n經濟外交及融幫計劃\n\n17\n00:06:28,486 --> 00:06:38,614\n你講的我們過去就是一直這樣做可是我們採購了很多我們要的結果都沒有這是我們要提醒的所以我們就要把這個說清楚嘛也讓外界了解你之前說得不夠清楚嗎之前說得不夠清楚嗎我們現在要說的是他現在再度入主他的做法可能會更強烈因為他必須面對選民的交代他已經78歲了所以在這裡你過去如果講得不夠清楚那你未來我相信也不會很清楚因為他的態度會比你更強烈\n\n18\n00:06:57,307 --> 00:06:57,367\n美國總統馬文君\n\n19\n00:07:15,550 --> 00:07:27,415\n上來以後當然你要接續外交的這個工作不是那麼容易可是像之前南非要求我們撤出首都我們的代表處要撤出首都的部分現在還有立陶宛這樣子的一個狀況那我想要請教一下因為過去我們的2021年的時候外交部宣布要在波羅的海立陶宛的首都設立駐立陶宛台灣代表處雖然我們後來英文改成台灣\n\n20\n00:07:43,822 --> 00:08:04,547\n台灣跟台灣人其實是不一樣的可是我們也說服自己說這是一樣而且是一個重大的突破不管這會不會對我們有所矮化或者是我們自我安慰可是當時蔡前總統在臉書還特別指出這是重要的外交突破然後是別具意義的重要外交的一個成果當時\n\n21\n00:08:07,014 --> 00:08:35,589\n政府還由臺山投資管理顧問公司﹐大概有2億歐元的中東歐投資基金﹐去投資立陶宛三家新創公司﹐包括雷射公司、生技醫療公司﹐還有一個金融科技公司﹐那其中﹐像雷射公司由臺山﹐協助跟臺灣的企業建立合作的關係﹐而且透過委託公研院成立的﹐\n\n22\n00:08:37,130 --> 00:08:37,270\n：馬文君\n\n23\n00:08:55,026 --> 00:08:55,826\n政府投資立陶宛已經花費在中東歐投資基金有多少經費\n\n24\n00:09:15,343 --> 00:09:44,189\n剛剛委員提到不管是雷射、生技、金融這些頭籠只有它的程序那事實上金額也不大啦但是具有代表性意義比如說我們以雷射這個雷射世界上最好的雷射這個飛鳥雷射是立陶宛的國寶欸能夠跟我們合作把它發揚光大對我們的部長部長那個多好你可以用書面到時候再提供給委員會我現在要問的是政府投資立陶宛花費的中東歐投資基金有多少經費\n\n25\n00:09:45,498 --> 00:09:48,440\n像你剛講的那個數位金融那大概是千萬美金啦那以雷射這個我們跟公園院的合作我們是合資啦那這些都在我想總共大概在兩千萬美金啦這個數字我跟妳講投融資是經過嚴格的審查這是商業行為護理雙贏啦我們要看到我們的護理跟雙贏在哪裡請把立法院的部份的移工相關資料\n\n26\n00:10:14,637 --> 00:10:34,164\n提供相關的資料就是投資基金有多少經費然後你說的共榮雙贏的這個部分也把結果在一個禮拜之內提供給我們相關的資料好不好好那就這個部分抱歉跟主席借一點點時間我們在之前就是外交部以俄烏戰爭中\n\n27\n00:10:36,220 --> 00:10:39,623\n吳東地區醫院遭炮火摧毀,然後我們用公務預算,我們大概編了3000萬美金的這樣的經費,是要提供給烏克蘭居民在初級醫療照護設備的這個部分。我們那時候簽的備忘錄,我想請教一下,我們在裡面我們要的資料,比如說我們因為有要求要台灣\n\n28\n00:11:01,461 --> 00:11:01,501\n馬文君\n\n29\n00:11:22,847 --> 00:11:25,729\n我們同仁會請他準備資料我們希望要有數量還要有他的種類因為他是要提供這是救命的我們已經給錢給一段時間了如果當烏克蘭他們在暫時需要這些醫療的這些不管是什麼樣的用品裝備我們到現在都還沒有辦法提供相關的資料我不知道我們是給了什麼\n\n30\n00:11:51,724 --> 00:11:52,225\n有數量嗎?有,後面有數量\n\n31\n00:12:12,450 --> 00:12:35,166\n請教一下這是在台灣採購還是在歐洲買的?在歐洲這是我們雙方的合作案那我們是他在歐洲買所以你以上念的剛剛部長念的這些公司在歐洲都有他的場上都有他的據點然後都有現貨是嗎?你的意思是這樣嗎?講清楚喔\n\n32\n00:12:38,158 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跟委員報告美國是一個民主國家那川普總統得到很大的民意的支持我們要當一回事我們要認真地來去理解他政策背後的民意基礎那確實比如你剛剛提到的幾項比如說你剛剛提到的我們採購了兩百多億美金他還沒有交付武器嘛那現在美國又通過國防這個工業這個戰略的法案那是不是可以有案外包\n294224\t297127\t這也是我們擔心的,如果他之前他沒有辦法交給我們是因為俄烏戰爭還有疫情的關係所以他的產業鏈沒有辦法及時供應,如果我們現在把他的外包的這個部分放在重點,未來\n315328\t320633\t有可能他把他做不來的現在推到我們台灣來幫他做代工然後回去以後又再高價再賣回台灣這是我們非常擔心的所以這一點先在這裡提醒所以這個不是我們認為其實是可行的他應該要交給我們不管他用什麼樣的方式可是我們在明年的預算上面已經看到他不斷的在加價囉所以我們在這裡再一次提醒因為他還沒有就任可是他未來的做法是以\n343451\t343591\t什麼方向?\n371345\t371545\t經濟外交及融幫計劃\n388486\t398614\t你講的我們過去就是一直這樣做可是我們採購了很多我們要的結果都沒有這是我們要提醒的所以我們就要把這個說清楚嘛也讓外界了解你之前說得不夠清楚嗎之前說得不夠清楚嗎我們現在要說的是他現在再度入主他的做法可能會更強烈因為他必須面對選民的交代他已經78歲了所以在這裡你過去如果講得不夠清楚那你未來我相信也不會很清楚因為他的態度會比你更強烈\n417307\t417367\t美國總統馬文君\n435550\t447415\t上來以後當然你要接續外交的這個工作不是那麼容易可是像之前南非要求我們撤出首都我們的代表處要撤出首都的部分現在還有立陶宛這樣子的一個狀況那我想要請教一下因為過去我們的2021年的時候外交部宣布要在波羅的海立陶宛的首都設立駐立陶宛台灣代表處雖然我們後來英文改成台灣\n463822\t484547\t台灣跟台灣人其實是不一樣的可是我們也說服自己說這是一樣而且是一個重大的突破不管這會不會對我們有所矮化或者是我們自我安慰可是當時蔡前總統在臉書還特別指出這是重要的外交突破然後是別具意義的重要外交的一個成果當時\n487014\t515589\t政府還由臺山投資管理顧問公司﹐大概有2億歐元的中東歐投資基金﹐去投資立陶宛三家新創公司﹐包括雷射公司、生技醫療公司﹐還有一個金融科技公司﹐那其中﹐像雷射公司由臺山﹐協助跟臺灣的企業建立合作的關係﹐而且透過委託公研院成立的﹐\n517130\t517270\t：馬文君\n535026\t535826\t政府投資立陶宛已經花費在中東歐投資基金有多少經費\n555343\t584189\t剛剛委員提到不管是雷射、生技、金融這些頭籠只有它的程序那事實上金額也不大啦但是具有代表性意義比如說我們以雷射這個雷射世界上最好的雷射這個飛鳥雷射是立陶宛的國寶欸能夠跟我們合作把它發揚光大對我們的部長部長那個多好你可以用書面到時候再提供給委員會我現在要問的是政府投資立陶宛花費的中東歐投資基金有多少經費\n585498\t588440\t像你剛講的那個數位金融那大概是千萬美金啦那以雷射這個我們跟公園院的合作我們是合資啦那這些都在我想總共大概在兩千萬美金啦這個數字我跟妳講投融資是經過嚴格的審查這是商業行為護理雙贏啦我們要看到我們的護理跟雙贏在哪裡請把立法院的部份的移工相關資料\n614637\t634164\t提供相關的資料就是投資基金有多少經費然後你說的共榮雙贏的這個部分也把結果在一個禮拜之內提供給我們相關的資料好不好好那就這個部分抱歉跟主席借一點點時間我們在之前就是外交部以俄烏戰爭中\n636220\t639623\t吳東地區醫院遭炮火摧毀,然後我們用公務預算,我們大概編了3000萬美金的這樣的經費,是要提供給烏克蘭居民在初級醫療照護設備的這個部分。我們那時候簽的備忘錄,我想請教一下,我們在裡面我們要的資料,比如說我們因為有要求要台灣\n661461\t661501\t馬文君\n682847\t685729\t我們同仁會請他準備資料我們希望要有數量還要有他的種類因為他是要提供這是救命的我們已經給錢給一段時間了如果當烏克蘭他們在暫時需要這些醫療的這些不管是什麼樣的用品裝備我們到現在都還沒有辦法提供相關的資料我不知道我們是給了什麼\n711724\t712225\t有數量嗎?有,後面有數量\n732450\t755166\t請教一下這是在台灣採購還是在歐洲買的?在歐洲這是我們雙方的合作案那我們是他在歐洲買所以你以上念的剛剛部長念的這些公司在歐洲都有他的場上都有他的據點然後都有現貨是嗎?你的意思是這樣嗎?講清楚喔\n758158\t766733\t是不是從歐洲有現貨我現在不太清楚但是他確實是台商供應的然後由捷克的這個協會去採購的\n768447\t772430\t我在這裡先提醒一下,裡面有一家加碩生醫,這個部分也是我們臺商的新創公司,也是臺灣的新創公司,他做的艾普定免疫定量分析儀,他做的是發言指數用的,這個部分我們不曉得一個新創公司傑克為什麼會知道,因為他買的是要烏克蘭戰場上需要的,聽我講完,因為時間關係,不好意思。\n794902\t803704\t這個部分如果在台灣他根本沒有在歐洲有這樣子的一個現貨我不知道為什麼他要去買這個東西再加上發言指數是在特別比如說我們在醫療上面要測說你為什麼發言要找出問題點可是你在戰場上面不是被炸斷手腳不然就是有很嚴重的傷害一看那就是有發言還要做這樣的發言指數的測試嗎我們到底為什麼是買這些東西我現在只是先提供一個\n823328\t828790\t他可能還有其他的問題我們需要的是數量因為你既然花了我們國人的納稅錢而且這是救命錢你有沒有用到位我剛剛說的這個加速聲音他過去有什麼樣的記錄在我們買快篩的時候他曾經代表國家隊他花了我們4億多的錢跟韓國進口結果他是不合格的\n848439\t848499\t馬文君\n","txt":"麻煩請部長請您部長部長早安委員好剛剛有聽到部長特別提到因為其實現在美國的總統大選已經明朗化那川普也會再度入主白宮過去我們也曾經跟川普總統其實有過\n他在他上一任的時候其實大概都很多的不管政策面或者他在各方面的一些領導風格大概我們都有交手過那他現在再度入主白宮這一次他可以當選雖然大家覺得他非常的狂妄自大然後可能有一些做法也是跟一般人不太一樣可是他還是順利的當選而且不是微服\n馬文君\n馬文君\n馬文君\n兩岸可能還有其他其他的一個因素的情況之下才會有這樣的狀況所以我那請問部長就這個部分因為剛剛我是非常認同你提到的就我們過去在國防武器上面至少有200億美元以上的金額他的武器裝備是還沒有\n美國總統馬文君\n特斯拉執行長\n馬斯克可是馬斯克對台灣也不是很有善所以今天如果他們兩個湊在一起的時候我們先來回想他們在上一任因為中國電信公司可能成為間諜跟網路攻擊載體所以他對華為跟中興通訊實施了出口管制\n可是後來因為要求大陸購買美國的農業跟能源的商品以後他就取消了中心通訊的這個管制他一向都是把這個利益放在首位那對我們也是川普在接受媒體訪問就在選舉過程當中他談到如果解放軍對台灣展開武統的時候美國他不是派出第七艦隊來到台灣海峽\n來解除我們的封鎖然後也不是拿導彈瞄準中國的軍事要塞或重要的基建他是要宣布對中國加關稅所以其實從他很多的做法跟他的言談之間其實很明顯的利益還有他的生意其實都是放在第一位這個部分我們外交部還有沒有什麼比較積極的一個應對的做法\n是 跟委員報告美國是一個民主國家那川普總統得到很大的民意的支持我們要當一回事我們要認真地來去理解他政策背後的民意基礎那確實比如你剛剛提到的幾項比如說你剛剛提到的我們採購了兩百多億美金他還沒有交付武器嘛那現在美國又通過國防這個工業這個戰略的法案那是不是可以有案外包\n這也是我們擔心的,如果他之前他沒有辦法交給我們是因為俄烏戰爭還有疫情的關係所以他的產業鏈沒有辦法及時供應,如果我們現在把他的外包的這個部分放在重點,未來\n有可能他把他做不來的現在推到我們台灣來幫他做代工然後回去以後又再高價再賣回台灣這是我們非常擔心的所以這一點先在這裡提醒所以這個不是我們認為其實是可行的他應該要交給我們不管他用什麼樣的方式可是我們在明年的預算上面已經看到他不斷的在加價囉所以我們在這裡再一次提醒因為他還沒有就任可是他未來的做法是以\n什麼方向?\n經濟外交及融幫計劃\n你講的我們過去就是一直這樣做可是我們採購了很多我們要的結果都沒有這是我們要提醒的所以我們就要把這個說清楚嘛也讓外界了解你之前說得不夠清楚嗎之前說得不夠清楚嗎我們現在要說的是他現在再度入主他的做法可能會更強烈因為他必須面對選民的交代他已經78歲了所以在這裡你過去如果講得不夠清楚那你未來我相信也不會很清楚因為他的態度會比你更強烈\n美國總統馬文君\n上來以後當然你要接續外交的這個工作不是那麼容易可是像之前南非要求我們撤出首都我們的代表處要撤出首都的部分現在還有立陶宛這樣子的一個狀況那我想要請教一下因為過去我們的2021年的時候外交部宣布要在波羅的海立陶宛的首都設立駐立陶宛台灣代表處雖然我們後來英文改成台灣\n台灣跟台灣人其實是不一樣的可是我們也說服自己說這是一樣而且是一個重大的突破不管這會不會對我們有所矮化或者是我們自我安慰可是當時蔡前總統在臉書還特別指出這是重要的外交突破然後是別具意義的重要外交的一個成果當時\n政府還由臺山投資管理顧問公司﹐大概有2億歐元的中東歐投資基金﹐去投資立陶宛三家新創公司﹐包括雷射公司、生技醫療公司﹐還有一個金融科技公司﹐那其中﹐像雷射公司由臺山﹐協助跟臺灣的企業建立合作的關係﹐而且透過委託公研院成立的﹐\n：馬文君\n政府投資立陶宛已經花費在中東歐投資基金有多少經費\n剛剛委員提到不管是雷射、生技、金融這些頭籠只有它的程序那事實上金額也不大啦但是具有代表性意義比如說我們以雷射這個雷射世界上最好的雷射這個飛鳥雷射是立陶宛的國寶欸能夠跟我們合作把它發揚光大對我們的部長部長那個多好你可以用書面到時候再提供給委員會我現在要問的是政府投資立陶宛花費的中東歐投資基金有多少經費\n像你剛講的那個數位金融那大概是千萬美金啦那以雷射這個我們跟公園院的合作我們是合資啦那這些都在我想總共大概在兩千萬美金啦這個數字我跟妳講投融資是經過嚴格的審查這是商業行為護理雙贏啦我們要看到我們的護理跟雙贏在哪裡請把立法院的部份的移工相關資料\n提供相關的資料就是投資基金有多少經費然後你說的共榮雙贏的這個部分也把結果在一個禮拜之內提供給我們相關的資料好不好好那就這個部分抱歉跟主席借一點點時間我們在之前就是外交部以俄烏戰爭中\n吳東地區醫院遭炮火摧毀,然後我們用公務預算,我們大概編了3000萬美金的這樣的經費,是要提供給烏克蘭居民在初級醫療照護設備的這個部分。我們那時候簽的備忘錄,我想請教一下,我們在裡面我們要的資料,比如說我們因為有要求要台灣\n馬文君\n我們同仁會請他準備資料我們希望要有數量還要有他的種類因為他是要提供這是救命的我們已經給錢給一段時間了如果當烏克蘭他們在暫時需要這些醫療的這些不管是什麼樣的用品裝備我們到現在都還沒有辦法提供相關的資料我不知道我們是給了什麼\n有數量嗎?有,後面有數量\n請教一下這是在台灣採購還是在歐洲買的?在歐洲這是我們雙方的合作案那我們是他在歐洲買所以你以上念的剛剛部長念的這些公司在歐洲都有他的場上都有他的據點然後都有現貨是嗎?你的意思是這樣嗎?講清楚喔\n是不是從歐洲有現貨我現在不太清楚但是他確實是台商供應的然後由捷克的這個協會去採購的\n我在這裡先提醒一下,裡面有一家加碩生醫,這個部分也是我們臺商的新創公司,也是臺灣的新創公司,他做的艾普定免疫定量分析儀,他做的是發言指數用的,這個部分我們不曉得一個新創公司傑克為什麼會知道,因為他買的是要烏克蘭戰場上需要的,聽我講完,因為時間關係,不好意思。\n這個部分如果在台灣他根本沒有在歐洲有這樣子的一個現貨我不知道為什麼他要去買這個東西再加上發言指數是在特別比如說我們在醫療上面要測說你為什麼發言要找出問題點可是你在戰場上面不是被炸斷手腳不然就是有很嚴重的傷害一看那就是有發言還要做這樣的發言指數的測試嗎我們到底為什麼是買這些東西我現在只是先提供一個\n他可能還有其他的問題我們需要的是數量因為你既然花了我們國人的納稅錢而且這是救命錢你有沒有用到位我剛剛說的這個加速聲音他過去有什麼樣的記錄在我們買快篩的時候他曾經代表國家隊他花了我們4億多的錢跟韓國進口結果他是不合格的\n馬文君\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:02.890\n麻煩請部長請您部長部長早安委員好剛剛有聽到部長特別提到因為其實現在美國的總統大選已經明朗化那川普也會再度入主白宮過去我們也曾經跟川普總統其實有過\n\n00:28.894 --> 00:54.620\n他在他上一任的時候其實大概都很多的不管政策面或者他在各方面的一些領導風格大概我們都有交手過那他現在再度入主白宮這一次他可以當選雖然大家覺得他非常的狂妄自大然後可能有一些做法也是跟一般人不太一樣可是他還是順利的當選而且不是微服\n\n00:57.421 --> 00:57.461\n馬文君\n\n01:17.038 --> 01:17.098\n馬文君\n\n01:28.874 --> 01:29.354\n馬文君\n\n02:00.075 --> 02:19.694\n兩岸可能還有其他其他的一個因素的情況之下才會有這樣的狀況所以我那請問部長就這個部分因為剛剛我是非常認同你提到的就我們過去在國防武器上面至少有200億美元以上的金額他的武器裝備是還沒有\n\n02:21.275 --> 02:21.395\n美國總統馬文君\n\n02:45.370 --> 02:45.530\n特斯拉執行長\n\n03:02.777 --> 03:17.123\n馬斯克可是馬斯克對台灣也不是很有善所以今天如果他們兩個湊在一起的時候我們先來回想他們在上一任因為中國電信公司可能成為間諜跟網路攻擊載體所以他對華為跟中興通訊實施了出口管制\n\n03:25.126 --> 03:45.700\n可是後來因為要求大陸購買美國的農業跟能源的商品以後他就取消了中心通訊的這個管制他一向都是把這個利益放在首位那對我們也是川普在接受媒體訪問就在選舉過程當中他談到如果解放軍對台灣展開武統的時候美國他不是派出第七艦隊來到台灣海峽\n\n03:56.487 --> 04:22.515\n來解除我們的封鎖然後也不是拿導彈瞄準中國的軍事要塞或重要的基建他是要宣布對中國加關稅所以其實從他很多的做法跟他的言談之間其實很明顯的利益還有他的生意其實都是放在第一位這個部分我們外交部還有沒有什麼比較積極的一個應對的做法\n\n04:24.164 --> 04:53.544\n是跟委員報告美國是一個民主國家那川普總統得到很大的民意的支持我們要當一回事我們要認真地來去理解他政策背後的民意基礎那確實比如你剛剛提到的幾項比如說你剛剛提到的我們採購了兩百多億美金他還沒有交付武器嘛那現在美國又通過國防這個工業這個戰略的法案那是不是可以有案外包\n\n04:54.224 --> 04:57.127\n這也是我們擔心的,如果他之前他沒有辦法交給我們是因為俄烏戰爭還有疫情的關係所以他的產業鏈沒有辦法及時供應,如果我們現在把他的外包的這個部分放在重點,未來\n\n05:15.328 --> 05:20.633\n有可能他把他做不來的現在推到我們台灣來幫他做代工然後回去以後又再高價再賣回台灣這是我們非常擔心的所以這一點先在這裡提醒所以這個不是我們認為其實是可行的他應該要交給我們不管他用什麼樣的方式可是我們在明年的預算上面已經看到他不斷的在加價囉所以我們在這裡再一次提醒因為他還沒有就任可是他未來的做法是以\n\n05:43.451 --> 05:43.591\n什麼方向?\n\n06:11.345 --> 06:11.545\n經濟外交及融幫計劃\n\n06:28.486 --> 06:38.614\n你講的我們過去就是一直這樣做可是我們採購了很多我們要的結果都沒有這是我們要提醒的所以我們就要把這個說清楚嘛也讓外界了解你之前說得不夠清楚嗎之前說得不夠清楚嗎我們現在要說的是他現在再度入主他的做法可能會更強烈因為他必須面對選民的交代他已經78歲了所以在這裡你過去如果講得不夠清楚那你未來我相信也不會很清楚因為他的態度會比你更強烈\n\n06:57.307 --> 06:57.367\n美國總統馬文君\n\n07:15.550 --> 07:27.415\n上來以後當然你要接續外交的這個工作不是那麼容易可是像之前南非要求我們撤出首都我們的代表處要撤出首都的部分現在還有立陶宛這樣子的一個狀況那我想要請教一下因為過去我們的2021年的時候外交部宣布要在波羅的海立陶宛的首都設立駐立陶宛台灣代表處雖然我們後來英文改成台灣\n\n07:43.822 --> 08:04.547\n台灣跟台灣人其實是不一樣的可是我們也說服自己說這是一樣而且是一個重大的突破不管這會不會對我們有所矮化或者是我們自我安慰可是當時蔡前總統在臉書還特別指出這是重要的外交突破然後是別具意義的重要外交的一個成果當時\n\n08:07.014 --> 08:35.589\n政府還由臺山投資管理顧問公司﹐大概有2億歐元的中東歐投資基金﹐去投資立陶宛三家新創公司﹐包括雷射公司、生技醫療公司﹐還有一個金融科技公司﹐那其中﹐像雷射公司由臺山﹐協助跟臺灣的企業建立合作的關係﹐而且透過委託公研院成立的﹐\n\n08:37.130 --> 08:37.270\n：馬文君\n\n08:55.026 --> 08:55.826\n政府投資立陶宛已經花費在中東歐投資基金有多少經費\n\n09:15.343 --> 09:44.189\n剛剛委員提到不管是雷射、生技、金融這些頭籠只有它的程序那事實上金額也不大啦但是具有代表性意義比如說我們以雷射這個雷射世界上最好的雷射這個飛鳥雷射是立陶宛的國寶欸能夠跟我們合作把它發揚光大對我們的部長部長那個多好你可以用書面到時候再提供給委員會我現在要問的是政府投資立陶宛花費的中東歐投資基金有多少經費\n\n09:45.498 --> 09:48.440\n像你剛講的那個數位金融那大概是千萬美金啦那以雷射這個我們跟公園院的合作我們是合資啦那這些都在我想總共大概在兩千萬美金啦這個數字我跟妳講投融資是經過嚴格的審查這是商業行為護理雙贏啦我們要看到我們的護理跟雙贏在哪裡請把立法院的部份的移工相關資料\n\n10:14.637 --> 10:34.164\n提供相關的資料就是投資基金有多少經費然後你說的共榮雙贏的這個部分也把結果在一個禮拜之內提供給我們相關的資料好不好好那就這個部分抱歉跟主席借一點點時間我們在之前就是外交部以俄烏戰爭中\n\n10:36.220 --> 10:39.623\n吳東地區醫院遭炮火摧毀,然後我們用公務預算,我們大概編了3000萬美金的這樣的經費,是要提供給烏克蘭居民在初級醫療照護設備的這個部分。我們那時候簽的備忘錄,我想請教一下,我們在裡面我們要的資料,比如說我們因為有要求要台灣\n\n11:01.461 --> 11:01.501\n馬文君\n\n11:22.847 --> 11:25.729\n我們同仁會請他準備資料我們希望要有數量還要有他的種類因為他是要提供這是救命的我們已經給錢給一段時間了如果當烏克蘭他們在暫時需要這些醫療的這些不管是什麼樣的用品裝備我們到現在都還沒有辦法提供相關的資料我不知道我們是給了什麼\n\n11:51.724 --> 11:52.225\n有數量嗎?有,後面有數量\n\n12:12.450 --> 12:35.166\n請教一下這是在台灣採購還是在歐洲買的?在歐洲這是我們雙方的合作案那我們是他在歐洲買所以你以上念的剛剛部長念的這些公司在歐洲都有他的場上都有他的據點然後都有現貨是嗎?你的意思是這樣嗎?講清楚喔\n\n12:38.158 --> 12:46.733\n是不是從歐洲有現貨我現在不太清楚但是他確實是台商供應的然後由捷克的這個協會去採購的\n\n12:48.447 --> 12:52.430\n我在這裡先提醒一下,裡面有一家加碩生醫,這個部分也是我們臺商的新創公司,也是臺灣的新創公司,他做的艾普定免疫定量分析儀,他做的是發言指數用的,這個部分我們不曉得一個新創公司傑克為什麼會知道,因為他買的是要烏克蘭戰場上需要的,聽我講完,因為時間關係,不好意思。\n\n13:14.902 --> 13:23.704\n這個部分如果在台灣他根本沒有在歐洲有這樣子的一個現貨我不知道為什麼他要去買這個東西再加上發言指數是在特別比如說我們在醫療上面要測說你為什麼發言要找出問題點可是你在戰場上面不是被炸斷手腳不然就是有很嚴重的傷害一看那就是有發言還要做這樣的發言指數的測試嗎我們到底為什麼是買這些東西我現在只是先提供一個\n\n13:43.328 --> 13:48.790\n他可能還有其他的問題我們需要的是數量因為你既然花了我們國人的納稅錢而且這是救命錢你有沒有用到位我剛剛說的這個加速聲音他過去有什麼樣的記錄在我們買快篩的時候他曾經代表國家隊他花了我們4億多的錢跟韓國進口結果他是不合格的\n\n14:08.439 --> 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,["林部長佳龍：所以我們就要把這個說清楚，也讓外界瞭解……"],["馬委員文君：你之前說得不夠清楚嗎……"],["林部長佳龍：不是我們單方面的問題。"],["馬委員文君：之前說得不夠清楚嗎？我們現在要說的是他現在再度入主，他的作法可能會更強烈，因為他必須面對選民的交代，他已經78歲了，所以過去你如果講得不夠清楚，未來我相信也不會很清楚，因為他的態度會比你更強烈，不是你跟他一樣……"],["林部長佳龍：是。"],["馬委員文君：而是他占住了全球的所有主導地位，所以我們能不能抗衡、能不能不卑不亢，就像剛剛部長講的，我們要不卑不亢，這是在這裡，他還沒就職之前，我們先提的，未來還有機會。","另外還要談到的就是部長上來以後，當然你要接續外交這個工作不是那麼容易，可是像之前南非要求我們的代表處要撤出首都的部分，現在還有立陶宛這樣子的狀況，我想要請教一下，過去在2021年的時候外交部宣布要在波羅的海立陶宛的首都設立駐立陶宛臺灣代表處，雖然後來英文改成「Taiwanese」，「Taiwan」與「Taiwanese」其實是不一樣的，可是我們也說服自己，說這是一樣的，而且是一個重大的突破，不管這個會不會對我們有所矮化，或者是我們自我安慰，當時蔡前總統在臉書還特別指出這是重要的外交突破，是一個別具意義的重要外交成果。當時政府還由台杉投資管理顧問公司用大概2億歐元的中東歐投資基金去投資立陶宛三家新創公司，包括雷射公司、生技醫療公司，還有金融科技公司，其中雷射公司由台杉協助跟臺灣的企業建立合作關係，而且透過委託工研院成立的超快雷射研發創新中心，有6個合作案，政府還鼓勵臺灣的半導體供應鏈業者採用立陶宛的雷射技術，還有金融科技公司，我們這個投資案是中東歐投資基金歷來投資金額最高的……"],["林部長佳龍：是。"],["馬委員文君：那都是在政府的協助之下，未來它有可能成為歐洲大型晶圓製造公司，這是當時政府所說的話。我想要請教一下，政府投資立陶宛已經花費中東歐投資基金有多少經費？"],["林部長佳龍：剛剛委員提到，不管是雷射、生技、金融，這些投融資有它的程序，事實上，金額也不大，但是具有代表性意義……"],["馬委員文君：沒關係，有多少？到目前為止政府投資立陶宛……"],["林部長佳龍：比如我們以雷射為例，世界上最好的雷射……"],["馬委員文君：經費就好……"],["林部長佳龍：飛秒雷射是立陶宛的國寶，我們能夠合作，把它發揚光大，對我們的不管是工業……"],["馬委員文君：沒關係，部長，那個多好，到時候你可以用書面再提供給委員會，我現在要問的是政府投資立陶宛花費的中東歐投資基金有多少經費？"],["林部長佳龍：以你剛剛講的那個數位金融，大概是千萬美金，以雷射，我們跟工研院的合作是合資，這些總共大概在2,000萬美金這個數字……"],["馬委員文君：2,000萬美金……"],["林部長佳龍：我剛剛講，投融資是經過嚴格的審查，這是商業行為……"],["馬委員文君：部長，沒關係，過程……"],["林部長佳龍：這個互利雙贏啊！"],["馬委員文君：我們要看到我們的互利和雙贏在哪裡，請把這個部分……"],["林部長佳龍：我們如果能夠把立陶宛的飛秒雷射發揚光大對我們很好……"],["馬委員文君：提供相關的資料，就是花費投資基金有多少經費，還有你說的共榮雙贏這個部分，也在一個禮拜之內把結果提供給我們相關的資料，好不好？"],["林部長佳龍：好。"],["馬委員文君：好。抱歉！跟主席借一點點時間。","之前外交部以俄烏戰爭中烏東地區醫院遭炮火摧毀，我們大概用公務預算編了3,000萬美金這樣的經費，是要提供給烏克蘭居民在初級醫療照護設備這個部分，關於我們那時候簽的備忘錄，對於我們要到的資料我想請教一下，因為裡面有要求要臺灣的設備，其中三分之一的經費，大概就1,000萬美金，將近有3億臺幣，這個部分是要跟臺灣的廠商採購，我記得上一次回答是這是在歐洲直接採購，是不是？到底是在歐洲採購，還是在臺灣？"],["林部長佳龍：我有請我們同仁準備資料，那當然是向我們的廠商……"],["馬委員文君：我們一直沒有拿到，我們一直沒有拿到……"],["林部長佳龍：我有請他要趕快跟委員報告。"],["馬委員文君：我們希望要有數量，還要有它的種類……"],["林部長佳龍：有。"],["馬委員文君：因為這是救命的，我們已經給錢給一段時間了……"],["林部長佳龍：對。"],["馬委員文君：如果烏克蘭在戰時需要這些醫療，不管是什麼樣的用品、裝備，我們到現在都還沒有辦法提供相關的資料，我不知道我們是給了什麼，或者到底錢是怎麼花的，這個部分……"],["林部長佳龍：我跟委員報告，這裡面有5家主要的廠商，以及它的數量、產品……"],["馬委員文君：這是在臺灣買的，還是在歐洲買的？"],["林部長佳龍：包括像明基三豐、嘉碩生醫、醫揚科技、宇心生醫、鼎眾股份有限公司……"],["馬委員文君：部長，這個部分我有看到，有數量嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：有，後面有數量。"],["馬委員文君：好，請教一下，這是在臺灣採購還是在歐洲買的？"],["林部長佳龍：在歐洲。"],["黃司長鈞耀：它是在歐洲，這是我們雙方的合作案，我們是……"],["馬委員文君：它在歐洲買，所以你以上唸的……"],["黃司長鈞耀：對，它在歐洲……"],["馬委員文君：剛剛部長唸的這些公司在歐洲都有據點，且都有現貨，是嗎？你的意思是這樣嗎？講清楚喔！"],["黃司長鈞耀：是不是歐洲有現貨，我現在不太清楚，但是它確實是臺商供應的，由捷克的這個協會去採購的。"],["馬委員文君：我在這裡先提醒一下，裡面有一家嘉碩生醫，也是臺灣的新創公司，它做的艾普定免疫定量分析儀是測發炎指數用的，我們不曉得一個新創公司捷克為什麼會知道，因為它買的是要烏克蘭戰場上需要的……","聽我講完，因為時間上關係，不好意思！這個部分如果在歐洲根本沒有現貨，我不知道為什麼它要去買這個東西，再加上測發炎指數是比如我們在醫療上面要測你為什麼發炎，要找出問題點，可是在戰場上面不是被炸斷手腳，不然，就是有很嚴重的傷害，一看，就是有發炎，還要做這樣發炎指數的測試嗎？我們到底為什麼是買這些東西？我現在只是先提供一個，它可能還有其他的問題。","我們需要的是數量，因為你既然花了我們國人的納稅錢，而且這是救命錢，我們要知道，你有沒有用到位，我剛剛說的這個嘉碩生醫，它過去有什麼樣的紀錄？在我們買快篩的時候，它曾經代表國家隊，它花了我們四億多的錢跟韓國進口，結果它是不合格的，就是嘉碩生醫，現在它也在這裡出現，我們希望外交部應該要給一個明確的答案，還有儘快提供它的數量，謝謝。"],["黃司長鈞耀：謝謝。"],["林部長佳龍：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝馬文君委員，請外交部儘快提供資料給馬文君委員辦公室。","接下來請林楚茵委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":364,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-11","speakers":["林憶君","王定宇","陳冠廷","黃仁","馬文君","林楚茵","徐巧芯","羅美玲","沈伯洋","洪申翰","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷","賴士葆","李坤城","牛煦庭","羅智強","葉元之","陳永康"],"page_start":301,"meetingDate":["2024-11-07"],"gazette_id":"1139501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139501_00009"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長、大陸委員會報告「美國總統大選後，對於美中台三邊關係及未來國際局勢發展\n之影響」，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139501_00018"}}}