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00:02:54,779\n跟委員報告,其實當他當選之後,這就不只是選舉議員,我們要很認真的看待因為政見他也是對選民的承諾,他可能會落實為政策但是我認為用孤立主義去形容川普的路線是不太精確啦,他比較是屬於在保護主義啦那他其實也是需要藉由全球的力量來幫助美國偉大\n\n9\n00:02:56,479 --> 00:03:19,545\n台灣就是可以幫助美國偉大的所以我們這是一種夥伴關係我覺得這個是最深層最根本的以前是從地緣政治台灣是不是人家棋子現在不是台灣本身有主體性大家也知道第二台灣是一個民主國家跟他們的美國政府包括行政跟立法尤其是國會我們的這個價值觀是一致再來我們現在怎麼讓經濟利益一致\n\n10\n00:03:20,665 --> 00:03:30,357\n這個就是我們要跟著他的政策方向,我們要做一點調整。他的政策方向是全球性的。對台灣來講,這個事不只是威脅,它更是機會。台灣要沉著應變,我們要把這個挑戰轉化成我們\n\n11\n00:03:39,688 --> 00:03:41,929\n所以部長的言下之意就是接下來在經貿上面的交流包括您剛剛特別提到的榮邦計畫是非常重要的\n\n12\n00:04:00,034 --> 00:04:17,550\n但是除了臺美之間的關係之外因為本席也特別關注就是我們現在跟歐洲盟邦的部分我知道前面剛剛幾位委員都特別提到了有關於中東歐不論是投資或是融資的部分但是在這個質詢之前我想先舉一個例子\n\n13\n00:04:18,191 --> 00:04:36,502\n就是過去有一個非常有趣的這個故事的形容是說商人到非洲去看到非洲的朋友之前呢都沒有穿鞋子比較樂觀的商人就會說哇這個是充滿了機會啊因為大家都需要一雙鞋子但是呢悲觀主義者就會說不得了了他們都不穿鞋我們不用賣了\n\n14\n00:04:37,843 --> 00:05:02,123\n這個當然是一個過去台商在行走江湖的時候很喜歡講的故事但是我想要問的就是目前川普上台之後對於歐洲的變化跟關心包括我們怎麼來看那麼接下來在中東歐的部分我想舉起一個我整理出來的數據這個是跟經濟部國貿署所要到的在2016年我們跟歐洲還有中東歐這些國家的貿易數字\n\n15\n00:05:03,584 --> 00:05:03,644\n李慧琼\n\n16\n00:05:28,627 --> 00:05:41,922\n其實G7他們有一些包括美國跟歐洲英法德意等國家其實我們跟G7這些年來我想對他們對台海和平穩定的關心包括自由航行權\n\n17\n00:05:44,025 --> 00:06:00,782\n這個是因為現在整個全球化雖然有一點倒退到區域主義或者比較屬於雙邊主義但基本上台海的一個和平穩定是符合包括美國跟歐洲的國家的共同利益那我們現在在歐洲因為空間是非常大\n\n18\n00:06:02,019 --> 00:06:21,706\n所以你看到這個成長因為為什麼?因為俄烏戰爭發生之後其實即使俄烏戰爭未來就是說結束了其實俄羅斯的威脅還在那他們更能夠體會到中國對台灣的威脅所以這個是在印太戰略裡面的兩端現在已經結為一體這個做基礎然後我們跟他經貿有很多互補\n\n19\n00:06:22,546 --> 00:06:28,969\n所以這個就是我們現在的開拓的空間比如說這個中東歐的計畫我們現在進一步要擴展到波蘭因為波蘭未來在烏克蘭的重建裡面可能扮演很重要的角色那比如蔡英文前總統這次到法國我們的企業界去法國會覺得說那我們台積電投資在德國希望也投資在法國法國的高科技包括航太包括非常多的這個其實跟台灣也是可以合作的\n\n20\n00:06:49,719 --> 00:07:07,058\n所以我覺得歐洲的這個不只是地緣政治上未來跟我們是聯動的而且在經貿利益上還有很大的空間所以我在講說總和外交就是如果價值外交是愛情啦理念相近嘛那經濟外交就是麵包啊\n\n21\n00:07:07,999 --> 00:07:11,084\n那要吃得飽啊所以我們現在總和外交不能夠只是講說價值怎麼樣也要講這一個經濟上的利益的關係那跟川普啊我很聽懂他的語言啊因為我做過民選的\n\n22\n00:07:23,761 --> 00:07:27,425\n立法委員、市長所以我很能夠體會我有現在蠻欣賞他的講話要順這個趨勢來布局啦所以我覺得這個自助人助我們\n\n23\n00:07:39,135 --> 00:07:59,433\n臺灣的重要性我們不要小看那我們也不要把威脅極大化然後用到什麼什麼什麼什麼以美論、依賴論、依軍論讓他自信的啦勇敢自信世界同行走向新的偉大的美國那臺灣也能夠偉大我現在應該去找出這個交集啦\n\n24\n00:08:00,113 --> 00:08:16,047\n本席有特別找出來就是說目前以我們輸出入銀行因為我上一屆是在財政委員會那麼我們輸出入銀行有一個中東歐的融資基金那麼目前的這個融資基金當然它的方案就是立陶宛、匈牙利、斯洛伐克、捷克還有剛剛部長提到的波蘭這個我們馬上會有波蘭的大使要即將到任那麼我對他當然也賦予期望\n\n25\n00:08:25,154 --> 00:08:42,644\n那個劉大使即將要即將復任對那麼我的意思是其實政府也有給資源包括這個輸出銀行那麼奧地利、斯洛伐克那但是目前只有立陶宛、捷克跟斯洛伐克我也期許我們現在在過去已經有這樣的一個配套方案在這裡的時候也希望這個外交單位跟經濟單位能夠一起攜手那麼就像是部長您所說的\n\n26\n00:08:51,109 --> 00:09:03,627\n那麼另外當然國發會還有就是中東歐的投資基金所以其實我們是有兩大支柱來往前那麼目前到底除了波蘭之外另外的這些中東歐國家是不是也可以有更多的規劃\n\n27\n00:09:04,813 --> 00:09:34,110\n是其實在以波蘭跟所謂的捷克、斯洛伐克、立陶宛等波羅的海國家有將近6千萬那在未來我想俄烏戰爭總是會結束啦那我們未來其實這個地方對區國民是處女地那現在的一個經營之後開發結果我們跟捷克的關係很明顯其實最重要的是他們過去也受蘇聯的統治跟現在俄羅斯的威脅所以雖然說麵包很重要\n\n28\n00:09:35,250 --> 00:10:02,117\n愛情也是很重要的啦所以在這個方面總和外交的路線那整個中東歐不只是這個投資投融資工具我認為怎麼樣讓我們的科技跟他們合作的時候去共創合作在一些可以雙贏的產業項目上這個他們每個國家都有自己在當時前蘇聯時代特別的在他的這個最好的科技我們台灣的科技跟他互補合作\n\n29\n00:10:02,577 --> 00:10:04,960\n所以我覺得從這個角度來講我們空間很大呼應這個就是最後3秒鐘啦呼應這個部長所講的其實從數據上面就可以看得出來其實投資歐洲或中東歐整個這個表現上面是很好的\n\n30\n00:10:17,534 --> 00:10:17,594\n同意,謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n429\t3250\t主席有請林佳龍部長請林部長部長早安委員長因為這個美國總統昨天揭曉確定由川普再度回來白宮擔任美國的總統所以今天當然我們就會來關注的是有關於接下來台灣跟美國之間的關係\n25337\t29059\t但是事實上昨天在同樣外交委員會的時候我已經針對我們的國安局蔡明彥蔡局長有問過了那麼當時蔡局長很明確的說就是不論是民主黨或共和黨那麼過去其實民進黨的執政現在來到了第九年\n41624\t59374\t那麼我們其實同樣的都有面對過共和黨的總統就是川普我們也面對過現任的拜登的民主黨的總統所以說不論是誰上台或是哪一個政黨來執政這個所謂的至終然後挺台或友台的政策其實是不會改變的\n60214\t72085\t不過我們看到其實這是中央社所整理的川普對於臺灣的政策他曾經說過如果中國進入臺灣那當然他是用進入這個字眼他會對中國課徵15%到20%的關稅對中的政策他則是認為反正中國的商品要進來我就要拉高關稅至少60%\n83476\t105036\t那麼在關稅政策當中呢他是認為其實所有的商品進入到美國都要有20%的統一稅率對中國當然就會拉到60%到100%那麼大家外界都認為說川普就是所謂的孤立主義喔所以這整體來看起來確實符合昨天蔡局長所說的不過\n106499\t128966\t就外交專業來看的話這個面向可以感覺上是川普的手段似乎會更凌厲那麼他有提到的部分其實我們關注的當然除了中國之外他特別提到的是在有關於進口關稅到美國的部分那麼這個部分外交部跟經濟的相關單位有沒有做一些了解是不是真的會如他所言\n129386\t150701\t因為當然昨天我聽到吳志忠政次他在接受訪問的時候也說了選舉的時候難免有一些選舉語言那麼對於外交部來說現在這個川普確定上任之後有沒有好好的去研析川普的這些言論到底是選舉語言還是未來可能他的外交政策的執行方向\n151448\t174779\t跟委員報告,其實當他當選之後,這就不只是選舉議員,我們要很認真的看待因為政見他也是對選民的承諾,他可能會落實為政策但是我認為用孤立主義去形容川普的路線是不太精確啦,他比較是屬於在保護主義啦那他其實也是需要藉由全球的力量來幫助美國偉大\n176479\t199545\t台灣就是可以幫助美國偉大的所以我們這是一種夥伴關係我覺得這個是最深層最根本的以前是從地緣政治台灣是不是人家棋子現在不是台灣本身有主體性大家也知道第二台灣是一個民主國家跟他們的美國政府包括行政跟立法尤其是國會我們的這個價值觀是一致再來我們現在怎麼讓經濟利益一致\n200665\t210357\t這個就是我們要跟著他的政策方向,我們要做一點調整。他的政策方向是全球性的。對台灣來講,這個事不只是威脅,它更是機會。台灣要沉著應變,我們要把這個挑戰轉化成我們\n219688\t221929\t所以部長的言下之意就是接下來在經貿上面的交流包括您剛剛特別提到的榮邦計畫是非常重要的\n240034\t257550\t但是除了臺美之間的關係之外因為本席也特別關注就是我們現在跟歐洲盟邦的部分我知道前面剛剛幾位委員都特別提到了有關於中東歐不論是投資或是融資的部分但是在這個質詢之前我想先舉一個例子\n258191\t276502\t就是過去有一個非常有趣的這個故事的形容是說商人到非洲去看到非洲的朋友之前呢都沒有穿鞋子比較樂觀的商人就會說哇這個是充滿了機會啊因為大家都需要一雙鞋子但是呢悲觀主義者就會說不得了了他們都不穿鞋我們不用賣了\n277843\t302123\t這個當然是一個過去台商在行走江湖的時候很喜歡講的故事但是我想要問的就是目前川普上台之後對於歐洲的變化跟關心包括我們怎麼來看那麼接下來在中東歐的部分我想舉起一個我整理出來的數據這個是跟經濟部國貿署所要到的在2016年我們跟歐洲還有中東歐這些國家的貿易數字\n303584\t303644\t李慧琼\n328627\t341922\t其實G7他們有一些包括美國跟歐洲英法德意等國家其實我們跟G7這些年來我想對他們對台海和平穩定的關心包括自由航行權\n344025\t360782\t這個是因為現在整個全球化雖然有一點倒退到區域主義或者比較屬於雙邊主義但基本上台海的一個和平穩定是符合包括美國跟歐洲的國家的共同利益那我們現在在歐洲因為空間是非常大\n362019\t381706\t所以你看到這個成長因為為什麼?因為俄烏戰爭發生之後其實即使俄烏戰爭未來就是說結束了其實俄羅斯的威脅還在那他們更能夠體會到中國對台灣的威脅所以這個是在印太戰略裡面的兩端現在已經結為一體這個做基礎然後我們跟他經貿有很多互補\n382546\t388969\t所以這個就是我們現在的開拓的空間比如說這個中東歐的計畫我們現在進一步要擴展到波蘭因為波蘭未來在烏克蘭的重建裡面可能扮演很重要的角色那比如蔡英文前總統這次到法國我們的企業界去法國會覺得說那我們台積電投資在德國希望也投資在法國法國的高科技包括航太包括非常多的這個其實跟台灣也是可以合作的\n409719\t427058\t所以我覺得歐洲的這個不只是地緣政治上未來跟我們是聯動的而且在經貿利益上還有很大的空間所以我在講說總和外交就是如果價值外交是愛情啦理念相近嘛那經濟外交就是麵包啊\n427999\t431084\t那要吃得飽啊所以我們現在總和外交不能夠只是講說價值怎麼樣也要講這一個經濟上的利益的關係那跟川普啊我很聽懂他的語言啊因為我做過民選的\n443761\t447425\t立法委員、市長所以我很能夠體會我有現在蠻欣賞他的講話要順這個趨勢來布局啦所以我覺得這個自助人助我們\n459135\t479433\t臺灣的重要性我們不要小看那我們也不要把威脅極大化然後用到什麼什麼什麼什麼以美論、依賴論、依軍論讓他自信的啦勇敢自信世界同行走向新的偉大的美國那臺灣也能夠偉大我現在應該去找出這個交集啦\n480113\t496047\t本席有特別找出來就是說目前以我們輸出入銀行因為我上一屆是在財政委員會那麼我們輸出入銀行有一個中東歐的融資基金那麼目前的這個融資基金當然它的方案就是立陶宛、匈牙利、斯洛伐克、捷克還有剛剛部長提到的波蘭這個我們馬上會有波蘭的大使要即將到任那麼我對他當然也賦予期望\n505154\t522644\t那個劉大使即將要即將復任對 那麼我的意思是其實政府也有給資源包括這個輸出銀行那麼奧地利、斯洛伐克那但是目前只有立陶宛、捷克跟斯洛伐克我也期許我們現在在過去已經有這樣的一個配套方案在這裡的時候也希望這個外交單位跟經濟單位能夠一起攜手那麼就像是部長您所說的\n531109\t543627\t那麼另外當然國發會還有就是中東歐的投資基金所以其實我們是有兩大支柱來往前那麼目前到底除了波蘭之外另外的這些中東歐國家是不是也可以有更多的規劃\n544813\t574110\t是 其實在以波蘭跟所謂的捷克、斯洛伐克、立陶宛等波羅的海國家有將近6千萬那在未來我想俄烏戰爭總是會結束啦那我們未來其實這個地方對區國民是處女地那現在的一個經營之後開發結果我們跟捷克的關係很明顯其實最重要的是他們過去也受蘇聯的統治跟現在俄羅斯的威脅所以雖然說麵包很重要\n575250\t602117\t愛情也是很重要的啦所以在這個方面總和外交的路線那整個中東歐不只是這個投資投融資工具我認為怎麼樣讓我們的科技跟他們合作的時候去共創合作在一些可以雙贏的產業項目上這個他們每個國家都有自己在當時前蘇聯時代特別的在他的這個最好的科技我們台灣的科技跟他互補合作\n602577\t604960\t所以我覺得從這個角度來講我們空間很大呼應這個就是最後3秒鐘啦呼應這個部長所講的其實從數據上面就可以看得出來其實投資歐洲或中東歐整個這個表現上面是很好的\n617534\t617594\t同意,謝謝\n","txt":"主席有請林佳龍部長請林部長部長早安委員長因為這個美國總統昨天揭曉確定由川普再度回來白宮擔任美國的總統所以今天當然我們就會來關注的是有關於接下來台灣跟美國之間的關係\n但是事實上昨天在同樣外交委員會的時候我已經針對我們的國安局蔡明彥蔡局長有問過了那麼當時蔡局長很明確的說就是不論是民主黨或共和黨那麼過去其實民進黨的執政現在來到了第九年\n那麼我們其實同樣的都有面對過共和黨的總統就是川普我們也面對過現任的拜登的民主黨的總統所以說不論是誰上台或是哪一個政黨來執政這個所謂的至終然後挺台或友台的政策其實是不會改變的\n不過我們看到其實這是中央社所整理的川普對於臺灣的政策他曾經說過如果中國進入臺灣那當然他是用進入這個字眼他會對中國課徵15%到20%的關稅對中的政策他則是認為反正中國的商品要進來我就要拉高關稅至少60%\n那麼在關稅政策當中呢他是認為其實所有的商品進入到美國都要有20%的統一稅率對中國當然就會拉到60%到100%那麼大家外界都認為說川普就是所謂的孤立主義喔所以這整體來看起來確實符合昨天蔡局長所說的不過\n就外交專業來看的話這個面向可以感覺上是川普的手段似乎會更凌厲那麼他有提到的部分其實我們關注的當然除了中國之外他特別提到的是在有關於進口關稅到美國的部分那麼這個部分外交部跟經濟的相關單位有沒有做一些了解是不是真的會如他所言\n因為當然昨天我聽到吳志忠政次他在接受訪問的時候也說了選舉的時候難免有一些選舉語言那麼對於外交部來說現在這個川普確定上任之後有沒有好好的去研析川普的這些言論到底是選舉語言還是未來可能他的外交政策的執行方向\n跟委員報告,其實當他當選之後,這就不只是選舉議員,我們要很認真的看待因為政見他也是對選民的承諾,他可能會落實為政策但是我認為用孤立主義去形容川普的路線是不太精確啦,他比較是屬於在保護主義啦那他其實也是需要藉由全球的力量來幫助美國偉大\n台灣就是可以幫助美國偉大的所以我們這是一種夥伴關係我覺得這個是最深層最根本的以前是從地緣政治台灣是不是人家棋子現在不是台灣本身有主體性大家也知道第二台灣是一個民主國家跟他們的美國政府包括行政跟立法尤其是國會我們的這個價值觀是一致再來我們現在怎麼讓經濟利益一致\n這個就是我們要跟著他的政策方向,我們要做一點調整。他的政策方向是全球性的。對台灣來講,這個事不只是威脅,它更是機會。台灣要沉著應變,我們要把這個挑戰轉化成我們\n所以部長的言下之意就是接下來在經貿上面的交流包括您剛剛特別提到的榮邦計畫是非常重要的\n但是除了臺美之間的關係之外因為本席也特別關注就是我們現在跟歐洲盟邦的部分我知道前面剛剛幾位委員都特別提到了有關於中東歐不論是投資或是融資的部分但是在這個質詢之前我想先舉一個例子\n就是過去有一個非常有趣的這個故事的形容是說商人到非洲去看到非洲的朋友之前呢都沒有穿鞋子比較樂觀的商人就會說哇這個是充滿了機會啊因為大家都需要一雙鞋子但是呢悲觀主義者就會說不得了了他們都不穿鞋我們不用賣了\n這個當然是一個過去台商在行走江湖的時候很喜歡講的故事但是我想要問的就是目前川普上台之後對於歐洲的變化跟關心包括我們怎麼來看那麼接下來在中東歐的部分我想舉起一個我整理出來的數據這個是跟經濟部國貿署所要到的在2016年我們跟歐洲還有中東歐這些國家的貿易數字\n李慧琼\n其實G7他們有一些包括美國跟歐洲英法德意等國家其實我們跟G7這些年來我想對他們對台海和平穩定的關心包括自由航行權\n這個是因為現在整個全球化雖然有一點倒退到區域主義或者比較屬於雙邊主義但基本上台海的一個和平穩定是符合包括美國跟歐洲的國家的共同利益那我們現在在歐洲因為空間是非常大\n所以你看到這個成長因為為什麼?因為俄烏戰爭發生之後其實即使俄烏戰爭未來就是說結束了其實俄羅斯的威脅還在那他們更能夠體會到中國對台灣的威脅所以這個是在印太戰略裡面的兩端現在已經結為一體這個做基礎然後我們跟他經貿有很多互補\n所以這個就是我們現在的開拓的空間比如說這個中東歐的計畫我們現在進一步要擴展到波蘭因為波蘭未來在烏克蘭的重建裡面可能扮演很重要的角色那比如蔡英文前總統這次到法國我們的企業界去法國會覺得說那我們台積電投資在德國希望也投資在法國法國的高科技包括航太包括非常多的這個其實跟台灣也是可以合作的\n所以我覺得歐洲的這個不只是地緣政治上未來跟我們是聯動的而且在經貿利益上還有很大的空間所以我在講說總和外交就是如果價值外交是愛情啦理念相近嘛那經濟外交就是麵包啊\n那要吃得飽啊所以我們現在總和外交不能夠只是講說價值怎麼樣也要講這一個經濟上的利益的關係那跟川普啊我很聽懂他的語言啊因為我做過民選的\n立法委員、市長所以我很能夠體會我有現在蠻欣賞他的講話要順這個趨勢來布局啦所以我覺得這個自助人助我們\n臺灣的重要性我們不要小看那我們也不要把威脅極大化然後用到什麼什麼什麼什麼以美論、依賴論、依軍論讓他自信的啦勇敢自信世界同行走向新的偉大的美國那臺灣也能夠偉大我現在應該去找出這個交集啦\n本席有特別找出來就是說目前以我們輸出入銀行因為我上一屆是在財政委員會那麼我們輸出入銀行有一個中東歐的融資基金那麼目前的這個融資基金當然它的方案就是立陶宛、匈牙利、斯洛伐克、捷克還有剛剛部長提到的波蘭這個我們馬上會有波蘭的大使要即將到任那麼我對他當然也賦予期望\n那個劉大使即將要即將復任對 那麼我的意思是其實政府也有給資源包括這個輸出銀行那麼奧地利、斯洛伐克那但是目前只有立陶宛、捷克跟斯洛伐克我也期許我們現在在過去已經有這樣的一個配套方案在這裡的時候也希望這個外交單位跟經濟單位能夠一起攜手那麼就像是部長您所說的\n那麼另外當然國發會還有就是中東歐的投資基金所以其實我們是有兩大支柱來往前那麼目前到底除了波蘭之外另外的這些中東歐國家是不是也可以有更多的規劃\n是 其實在以波蘭跟所謂的捷克、斯洛伐克、立陶宛等波羅的海國家有將近6千萬那在未來我想俄烏戰爭總是會結束啦那我們未來其實這個地方對區國民是處女地那現在的一個經營之後開發結果我們跟捷克的關係很明顯其實最重要的是他們過去也受蘇聯的統治跟現在俄羅斯的威脅所以雖然說麵包很重要\n愛情也是很重要的啦所以在這個方面總和外交的路線那整個中東歐不只是這個投資投融資工具我認為怎麼樣讓我們的科技跟他們合作的時候去共創合作在一些可以雙贏的產業項目上這個他們每個國家都有自己在當時前蘇聯時代特別的在他的這個最好的科技我們台灣的科技跟他互補合作\n所以我覺得從這個角度來講我們空間很大呼應這個就是最後3秒鐘啦呼應這個部長所講的其實從數據上面就可以看得出來其實投資歐洲或中東歐整個這個表現上面是很好的\n同意,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.429 --> 00:03.250\n主席有請林佳龍部長請林部長部長早安委員長因為這個美國總統昨天揭曉確定由川普再度回來白宮擔任美國的總統所以今天當然我們就會來關注的是有關於接下來台灣跟美國之間的關係\n\n00:25.337 --> 00:29.059\n但是事實上昨天在同樣外交委員會的時候我已經針對我們的國安局蔡明彥蔡局長有問過了那麼當時蔡局長很明確的說就是不論是民主黨或共和黨那麼過去其實民進黨的執政現在來到了第九年\n\n00:41.624 --> 00:59.374\n那麼我們其實同樣的都有面對過共和黨的總統就是川普我們也面對過現任的拜登的民主黨的總統所以說不論是誰上台或是哪一個政黨來執政這個所謂的至終然後挺台或友台的政策其實是不會改變的\n\n01:00.214 --> 01:12.085\n不過我們看到其實這是中央社所整理的川普對於臺灣的政策他曾經說過如果中國進入臺灣那當然他是用進入這個字眼他會對中國課徵15%到20%的關稅對中的政策他則是認為反正中國的商品要進來我就要拉高關稅至少60%\n\n01:23.476 --> 01:45.036\n那麼在關稅政策當中呢他是認為其實所有的商品進入到美國都要有20%的統一稅率對中國當然就會拉到60%到100%那麼大家外界都認為說川普就是所謂的孤立主義喔所以這整體來看起來確實符合昨天蔡局長所說的不過\n\n01:46.499 --> 02:08.966\n就外交專業來看的話這個面向可以感覺上是川普的手段似乎會更凌厲那麼他有提到的部分其實我們關注的當然除了中國之外他特別提到的是在有關於進口關稅到美國的部分那麼這個部分外交部跟經濟的相關單位有沒有做一些了解是不是真的會如他所言\n\n02:09.386 --> 02:30.701\n因為當然昨天我聽到吳志忠政次他在接受訪問的時候也說了選舉的時候難免有一些選舉語言那麼對於外交部來說現在這個川普確定上任之後有沒有好好的去研析川普的這些言論到底是選舉語言還是未來可能他的外交政策的執行方向\n\n02:31.448 --> 02:54.779\n跟委員報告,其實當他當選之後,這就不只是選舉議員,我們要很認真的看待因為政見他也是對選民的承諾,他可能會落實為政策但是我認為用孤立主義去形容川普的路線是不太精確啦,他比較是屬於在保護主義啦那他其實也是需要藉由全球的力量來幫助美國偉大\n\n02:56.479 --> 03:19.545\n台灣就是可以幫助美國偉大的所以我們這是一種夥伴關係我覺得這個是最深層最根本的以前是從地緣政治台灣是不是人家棋子現在不是台灣本身有主體性大家也知道第二台灣是一個民主國家跟他們的美國政府包括行政跟立法尤其是國會我們的這個價值觀是一致再來我們現在怎麼讓經濟利益一致\n\n03:20.665 --> 03:30.357\n這個就是我們要跟著他的政策方向,我們要做一點調整。他的政策方向是全球性的。對台灣來講,這個事不只是威脅,它更是機會。台灣要沉著應變,我們要把這個挑戰轉化成我們\n\n03:39.688 --> 03:41.929\n所以部長的言下之意就是接下來在經貿上面的交流包括您剛剛特別提到的榮邦計畫是非常重要的\n\n04:00.034 --> 04:17.550\n但是除了臺美之間的關係之外因為本席也特別關注就是我們現在跟歐洲盟邦的部分我知道前面剛剛幾位委員都特別提到了有關於中東歐不論是投資或是融資的部分但是在這個質詢之前我想先舉一個例子\n\n04:18.191 --> 04:36.502\n就是過去有一個非常有趣的這個故事的形容是說商人到非洲去看到非洲的朋友之前呢都沒有穿鞋子比較樂觀的商人就會說哇這個是充滿了機會啊因為大家都需要一雙鞋子但是呢悲觀主義者就會說不得了了他們都不穿鞋我們不用賣了\n\n04:37.843 --> 05:02.123\n這個當然是一個過去台商在行走江湖的時候很喜歡講的故事但是我想要問的就是目前川普上台之後對於歐洲的變化跟關心包括我們怎麼來看那麼接下來在中東歐的部分我想舉起一個我整理出來的數據這個是跟經濟部國貿署所要到的在2016年我們跟歐洲還有中東歐這些國家的貿易數字\n\n05:03.584 --> 05:03.644\n李慧琼\n\n05:28.627 --> 05:41.922\n其實G7他們有一些包括美國跟歐洲英法德意等國家其實我們跟G7這些年來我想對他們對台海和平穩定的關心包括自由航行權\n\n05:44.025 --> 06:00.782\n這個是因為現在整個全球化雖然有一點倒退到區域主義或者比較屬於雙邊主義但基本上台海的一個和平穩定是符合包括美國跟歐洲的國家的共同利益那我們現在在歐洲因為空間是非常大\n\n06:02.019 --> 06:21.706\n所以你看到這個成長因為為什麼?因為俄烏戰爭發生之後其實即使俄烏戰爭未來就是說結束了其實俄羅斯的威脅還在那他們更能夠體會到中國對台灣的威脅所以這個是在印太戰略裡面的兩端現在已經結為一體這個做基礎然後我們跟他經貿有很多互補\n\n06:22.546 --> 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