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00:01:35,522\n的同時間然後那個整個塑膠橡膠製品也負1.1%那我們如果看到整個那個整個傳統工業的部分的時候我們中國的傳產指標基本金屬工業基本金屬的部分相較於2021年基期的時候只剩下74.9%\n\n5\n00:01:37,503 --> 00:02:05,144\n那化學材料及肥料只有佔74.6那機械設備是86.9汽車及零件到89.4那我為什麼講這個部分就是說除了ICT高科技產業當中的時候一支獨秀其他傳產部分其實坦白說我覺得是衰退感覺有一點明顯那為什麼提到這個部分是因為以目前來說因為我們的整個高科技產業的部分的時候因為有資訊科技協定\n\n6\n00:02:05,945 --> 00:02:33,918\n所以它讓臺灣在相關的高科技產業當中的走遍全球大概都還算是可以的雖然川普說要科增大陸關稅60%可能會影響到臺灣相關的產業可是對高科技來說可能還是相當比較穩健的部分那傳產部分可能就會比較吃力那因為今天我們特別提到CPTPP這部分的時候它對於整個傳產的部分我們希望它能夠有一些比較更大的一個保障所以我們很希望知道說整個\n\n7\n00:02:34,998 --> 00:03:00,912\n這CPTPP目前整個的進度到底是怎麼一回事那我想說針對這個經濟部因為經濟部這件報告裡面很直接講說針對CPTPP的一個統籌的單位是經貿談判辦公室那我們經濟部對於CPTPP這個部分的時候目前有沒有做一個怎麼樣的努力然後有沒有什麼一個分析報告出來這個部分我能不能夠請我的那個國貿署署長跟你報告可以謝謝\n\n8\n00:03:04,986 --> 00:03:21,778\n謝謝委員首先我們有做國內法規的相關的檢視為了要符合CPTPP的高標準所以目前國內的法規都已經符合這個高標準的要求你們覺得現在台灣要加入CPTPP最大的阻力在什麼地方\n\n9\n00:03:23,170 --> 00:03:51,759\n因為奧克蘭原則有三大有三個要求第一個就是要我們要符合這個良好的貿易的這個承諾這個部分我們確實都有做到而且最大的困難點在哪裡我想我們要積極的去尋求所有成員對於我們的支持如果而且呢必須來儘速的來成立我們入會的工作OK來這個部分最大的困難點在什麼地方你們經濟部這邊有沒有評估\n\n10\n00:03:53,426 --> 00:04:18,598\n有些國家他有他自己的考量所以我們也特別針對這些國家去強化跟他們的互動甚至有做相關的邀訪我想問一下經貿談判辦公室因為我看經貿談判辦公室當中的一個書面資料當中直接表示因為奧克蘭三原則當中的時候針對我們的高標準還有一個表述貿易承諾的部分\n\n11\n00:04:19,338 --> 00:04:33,746\n你直接提到的字眼其實是就是所有的那個與會的國家大概都均無一役表示台灣做得很好那既然是這樣的情況之下的時候你覺得我們現在台灣要加入CPTPP最大的阻力在哪裡\n\n12\n00:04:35,148 --> 00:05:02,390\n好謝謝委員的推詢針對這個我們在透過各種方式去接觸的過程確實大家對於我們符合高標準以及有良好的貿易記錄沒有任何的異議沒有任何的異議嗎沒有任何的問題那當然那我們應該走得很順可是我們從2021年申請9月到現在已經進入第4個年頭了因為前半段他們都是在處理英國的入會問題直到今年他們才開始有時間去處理新的成員國\n\n13\n00:05:03,451 --> 00:05:23,765\n新的成員國他們就是在針對這用奧克蘭三原則來做審視我們結束的過程他們特別提到共識絕這個是希望臺灣要特別去努力的部分理解因為我在想說臺灣其實也不是第一次加入國際組織包括APEC、WTO都有加入可是當時的時候很多學者專家都覺得當時有一個很大的\n\n14\n00:05:25,526 --> 00:05:32,339\n必須要被考慮的點就在中國大陸的一個態度跟角色在CPTPP當中的時候我們是不是也面臨這樣的問題\n\n15\n00:05:34,395 --> 00:05:59,368\n我們在接觸的過程當中並沒有任何一個國家特別跟我們提到這樣子的一個概念沒有任何一個國家提到中國大陸的因素是我們現在還進不來的原因是這個樣子嗎因為他們現在也不是成員國阿對就是因為他們不是成員國所以確實沒有國家跟我們提到這個原因而且他們特別還是集中在就是要符合三原則而希望我們特別在共識局這邊加以努力\n\n16\n00:05:59,848 --> 00:06:28,386\n可是當然就我們的了解當然有些國家跟中國的經貿往來上面確實是互動比較密切可是這些國家不會單純只有因為這個因素在評估這些新成員的入會因為我在想說從過去APEC跟WTO的經驗過程當中的時候大陸的態度確實是影響到我們是不是能夠順利進去的一個很重要的一個點就是副代表對這部分有沒有什麼反對的看法\n\n17\n00:06:30,101 --> 00:06:47,655\n我們必須要講說中國確實是現在第二大的世界經濟體所以它跟很多國家有緊密的互動往來但是畢竟現在的國際形勢的狀況是跟以前是不同的所以我們現在所接觸的往來跟這些CPTPP國家\n\n18\n00:06:48,095 --> 00:07:15,893\n告訴我們的反應就是希望我們可以透過各種的方式包括我們的實質的經貿交流展現臺灣可以對CPTPP國家的供應鏈上面的貢獻因為你們現在是整個我們在要加入CPTPP當中的一個統籌的一個單位那很多的單位其實都要參與在這當中對於陸委會這邊你有沒有什麼特別的期待就陸委會應該要怎麼去做能夠會有助於我們加入CPTPP\n\n19\n00:07:17,897 --> 00:07:42,202\n因為我們現在都是個別在申請的新成員國所以我們基本上新申請國不會去跟其他國家做進一步的溝通這個是大家基本上面的運作規則所以入委會我們當然基本上不會特別去請入委會來協助但是我們當然在過程的專業意見我們也會遵行入委會的意見\n\n20\n00:07:43,178 --> 00:07:57,827\n選舉委員沒有特別請陸委會在這個部分就兩岸溝通當中的時候能夠有更積極的一個做法基本上是沒有的目前我們沒有特別請陸委會來針對CPTPP的案件來表示意見\n\n21\n00:07:58,629 --> 00:08:28,149\nOK那我會這邊有沒有要特別做一個說明因為我看到我們所有的書面報告當中的時候對於這部分著墨也都很少那副主委這邊可以稍微講一下謝謝委員關注到這個議題那其實我們的立場很明確因為我們一直都是參與國際經貿組織已經有好幾次像剛剛委員講到APEC跟WTO在這個過程當中我們就是看每一個人的條件\n\n22\n00:08:28,649 --> 00:08:45,293\n符合條件的話就應該是可以參與那對於中國如果對這個部分有些政治框架的話我們是要表示要據理力爭的OK那個我這邊特別補充一下就是經貿談判辦公室這邊因為我們要加入CPTPP這個過程當中因為我們在WTO當中其實是雙軌性的一個方式在做處理比方說我們對大陸這邊的一個貿易的一個條件跟其他國家有一些差異\n\n23\n00:08:56,656 --> 00:09:10,414\n我們進到CPTPP可能必須要一致化去處理所以對於這樣的問題我們要怎麼去因應請邁達邦這邊之後再給我一個很詳細的資料然後對於我們過去這幾年我們做了哪些努力也請給我一個書面的資料謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n414\t27200\t鄭正前委員主席好我想先請一下經濟部郭智輝郭部長還有我們行政院經貿談判辦公室的副總談判代表顏惠欣顏副總談判代表然後還有我們陸委會的副主委陸委會副主委\n28922\t43210\t委員長部長好那個很感謝主席今天特別安排了就是CPTPP相關的一個主題的議題那我想說經濟部在9月份的時候公布了一個狀態就是說我們9月份的外銷訂單高達538億美元那年增率4.6%那基本上是熱的連續7個月都正成長\n51315\t73730\t那國發會在9月底也發布了經濟那個景氣燈號是紅燈表示臺灣目前的經濟熱度其實是很好的可是我們在這裡面也看到了幾個點就是說在整個資通訊產業當中ICT其實都很不錯可是呢在傳產的部分的時候呢感覺是說就不是這麼一回事像包括那個化學品的部分負8.5%相較於去年\n76852\t95522\t的同時間然後那個整個塑膠橡膠製品也負1.1%那我們如果看到整個那個整個傳統工業的部分的時候我們中國的傳產指標基本金屬工業基本金屬的部分相較於2021年基期的時候只剩下74.9%\n97503\t125144\t那化學材料及肥料只有佔74.6那機械設備是86.9汽車及零件到89.4那我為什麼講這個部分就是說除了ICT高科技產業當中的時候一支獨秀其他傳產部分其實坦白說我覺得是衰退感覺有一點明顯那為什麼提到這個部分是因為以目前來說因為我們的整個高科技產業的部分的時候因為有資訊科技協定\n125945\t153918\t所以它讓臺灣在相關的高科技產業當中的走遍全球大概都還算是可以的雖然川普說要科增大陸關稅60%可能會影響到臺灣相關的產業可是對高科技來說可能還是相當比較穩健的部分那傳產部分可能就會比較吃力那因為今天我們特別提到CPTPP這部分的時候它對於整個傳產的部分我們希望它能夠有一些比較更大的一個保障所以我們很希望知道說整個\n154998\t180912\t這CPTPP目前整個的進度到底是怎麼一回事那我想說針對這個經濟部因為經濟部這件報告裡面很直接講說針對CPTPP的一個統籌的單位是經貿談判辦公室那我們經濟部對於CPTPP這個部分的時候目前有沒有做一個怎麼樣的努力然後有沒有什麼一個分析報告出來這個部分我能不能夠請我的那個國貿署署長跟你報告可以謝謝\n184986\t201778\t謝謝委員首先我們有做國內法規的相關的檢視為了要符合CPTPP的高標準所以目前國內的法規都已經符合這個高標準的要求你們覺得現在台灣要加入CPTPP最大的阻力在什麼地方\n203170\t231759\t因為奧克蘭原則有三大有三個要求第一個就是要我們要符合這個良好的貿易的這個承諾這個部分我們確實都有做到而且最大的困難點在哪裡我想我們要積極的去尋求所有成員對於我們的支持如果而且呢必須來儘速的來成立我們入會的工作OK來這個部分最大的困難點在什麼地方你們經濟部這邊有沒有評估\n233426\t258598\t有些國家他有他自己的考量所以我們也特別針對這些國家去強化跟他們的互動甚至有做相關的邀訪我想問一下經貿談判辦公室因為我看經貿談判辦公室當中的一個書面資料當中直接表示因為奧克蘭三原則當中的時候針對我們的高標準還有一個表述貿易承諾的部分\n259338\t273746\t你直接提到的字眼其實是就是所有的那個與會的國家大概都均無一役表示台灣做得很好那既然是這樣的情況之下的時候你覺得我們現在台灣要加入CPTPP最大的阻力在哪裡\n275148\t302390\t好 謝謝委員的推詢針對這個我們在透過各種方式去接觸的過程確實大家對於我們符合高標準以及有良好的貿易記錄沒有任何的異議沒有任何的異議嗎沒有任何的問題那當然那我們應該走得很順可是我們從2021年申請9月到現在已經進入第4個年頭了因為前半段他們都是在處理英國的入會問題直到今年他們才開始有時間去處理新的成員國\n303451\t323765\t新的成員國他們就是在針對這用奧克蘭三原則來做審視我們結束的過程他們特別提到共識絕這個是希望臺灣要特別去努力的部分理解因為我在想說臺灣其實也不是第一次加入國際組織包括APEC、WTO都有加入可是當時的時候很多學者專家都覺得當時有一個很大的\n325526\t332339\t必須要被考慮的點就在中國大陸的一個態度跟角色在CPTPP當中的時候我們是不是也面臨這樣的問題\n334395\t359368\t我們在接觸的過程當中並沒有任何一個國家特別跟我們提到這樣子的一個概念沒有任何一個國家提到中國大陸的因素是我們現在還進不來的原因是這個樣子嗎因為他們現在也不是成員國阿對就是因為他們不是成員國所以確實沒有國家跟我們提到這個原因而且他們特別還是集中在就是要符合三原則而希望我們特別在共識局這邊加以努力\n359848\t388386\t可是當然就我們的了解當然有些國家跟中國的經貿往來上面確實是互動比較密切可是這些國家不會單純只有因為這個因素在評估這些新成員的入會因為我在想說從過去APEC跟WTO的經驗過程當中的時候大陸的態度確實是影響到我們是不是能夠順利進去的一個很重要的一個點就是副代表對這部分有沒有什麼反對的看法\n390101\t407655\t我們必須要講說中國確實是現在第二大的世界經濟體所以它跟很多國家有緊密的互動往來但是畢竟現在的國際形勢的狀況是跟以前是不同的所以我們現在所接觸的往來跟這些CPTPP國家\n408095\t435893\t告訴我們的反應就是希望我們可以透過各種的方式包括我們的實質的經貿交流展現臺灣可以對CPTPP國家的供應鏈上面的貢獻因為你們現在是整個我們在要加入CPTPP當中的一個統籌的一個單位那很多的單位其實都要參與在這當中對於陸委會這邊你有沒有什麼特別的期待就陸委會應該要怎麼去做能夠會有助於我們加入CPTPP\n437897\t462202\t因為我們現在都是個別在申請的新成員國所以我們基本上新申請國不會去跟其他國家做進一步的溝通這個是大家基本上面的運作規則所以入委會我們當然基本上不會特別去請入委會來協助但是我們當然在過程的專業意見我們也會遵行入委會的意見\n463178\t477827\t選舉委員沒有特別請陸委會在這個部分就兩岸溝通當中的時候能夠有更積極的一個做法基本上是沒有的目前我們沒有特別請陸委會來針對CPTPP的案件來表示意見\n478629\t508149\tOK 那我會這邊有沒有要特別做一個說明因為我看到我們所有的書面報告當中的時候對於這部分著墨也都很少那副主委這邊可以稍微講一下謝謝委員關注到這個議題那其實我們的立場很明確因為我們一直都是參與國際經貿組織已經有好幾次像剛剛委員講到APEC跟WTO在這個過程當中我們就是看每一個人的條件\n508649\t525293\t符合條件的話就應該是可以參與那對於中國如果對這個部分有些政治框架的話我們是要表示要據理力爭的OK 那個我這邊特別補充一下就是經貿談判辦公室這邊因為我們要加入CPTPP這個過程當中因為我們在WTO當中其實是雙軌性的一個方式在做處理比方說我們對大陸這邊的一個貿易的一個條件跟其他國家有一些差異\n536656\t550414\t我們進到CPTPP可能必須要一致化去處理所以對於這樣的問題我們要怎麼去因應請邁達邦這邊之後再給我一個很詳細的資料然後對於我們過去這幾年我們做了哪些努力也請給我一個書面的資料謝謝\n","txt":"鄭正前委員主席好我想先請一下經濟部郭智輝郭部長還有我們行政院經貿談判辦公室的副總談判代表顏惠欣顏副總談判代表然後還有我們陸委會的副主委陸委會副主委\n委員長部長好那個很感謝主席今天特別安排了就是CPTPP相關的一個主題的議題那我想說經濟部在9月份的時候公布了一個狀態就是說我們9月份的外銷訂單高達538億美元那年增率4.6%那基本上是熱的連續7個月都正成長\n那國發會在9月底也發布了經濟那個景氣燈號是紅燈表示臺灣目前的經濟熱度其實是很好的可是我們在這裡面也看到了幾個點就是說在整個資通訊產業當中ICT其實都很不錯可是呢在傳產的部分的時候呢感覺是說就不是這麼一回事像包括那個化學品的部分負8.5%相較於去年\n的同時間然後那個整個塑膠橡膠製品也負1.1%那我們如果看到整個那個整個傳統工業的部分的時候我們中國的傳產指標基本金屬工業基本金屬的部分相較於2021年基期的時候只剩下74.9%\n那化學材料及肥料只有佔74.6那機械設備是86.9汽車及零件到89.4那我為什麼講這個部分就是說除了ICT高科技產業當中的時候一支獨秀其他傳產部分其實坦白說我覺得是衰退感覺有一點明顯那為什麼提到這個部分是因為以目前來說因為我們的整個高科技產業的部分的時候因為有資訊科技協定\n所以它讓臺灣在相關的高科技產業當中的走遍全球大概都還算是可以的雖然川普說要科增大陸關稅60%可能會影響到臺灣相關的產業可是對高科技來說可能還是相當比較穩健的部分那傳產部分可能就會比較吃力那因為今天我們特別提到CPTPP這部分的時候它對於整個傳產的部分我們希望它能夠有一些比較更大的一個保障所以我們很希望知道說整個\n這CPTPP目前整個的進度到底是怎麼一回事那我想說針對這個經濟部因為經濟部這件報告裡面很直接講說針對CPTPP的一個統籌的單位是經貿談判辦公室那我們經濟部對於CPTPP這個部分的時候目前有沒有做一個怎麼樣的努力然後有沒有什麼一個分析報告出來這個部分我能不能夠請我的那個國貿署署長跟你報告可以謝謝\n謝謝委員首先我們有做國內法規的相關的檢視為了要符合CPTPP的高標準所以目前國內的法規都已經符合這個高標準的要求你們覺得現在台灣要加入CPTPP最大的阻力在什麼地方\n因為奧克蘭原則有三大有三個要求第一個就是要我們要符合這個良好的貿易的這個承諾這個部分我們確實都有做到而且最大的困難點在哪裡我想我們要積極的去尋求所有成員對於我們的支持如果而且呢必須來儘速的來成立我們入會的工作OK來這個部分最大的困難點在什麼地方你們經濟部這邊有沒有評估\n有些國家他有他自己的考量所以我們也特別針對這些國家去強化跟他們的互動甚至有做相關的邀訪我想問一下經貿談判辦公室因為我看經貿談判辦公室當中的一個書面資料當中直接表示因為奧克蘭三原則當中的時候針對我們的高標準還有一個表述貿易承諾的部分\n你直接提到的字眼其實是就是所有的那個與會的國家大概都均無一役表示台灣做得很好那既然是這樣的情況之下的時候你覺得我們現在台灣要加入CPTPP最大的阻力在哪裡\n好 謝謝委員的推詢針對這個我們在透過各種方式去接觸的過程確實大家對於我們符合高標準以及有良好的貿易記錄沒有任何的異議沒有任何的異議嗎沒有任何的問題那當然那我們應該走得很順可是我們從2021年申請9月到現在已經進入第4個年頭了因為前半段他們都是在處理英國的入會問題直到今年他們才開始有時間去處理新的成員國\n新的成員國他們就是在針對這用奧克蘭三原則來做審視我們結束的過程他們特別提到共識絕這個是希望臺灣要特別去努力的部分理解因為我在想說臺灣其實也不是第一次加入國際組織包括APEC、WTO都有加入可是當時的時候很多學者專家都覺得當時有一個很大的\n必須要被考慮的點就在中國大陸的一個態度跟角色在CPTPP當中的時候我們是不是也面臨這樣的問題\n我們在接觸的過程當中並沒有任何一個國家特別跟我們提到這樣子的一個概念沒有任何一個國家提到中國大陸的因素是我們現在還進不來的原因是這個樣子嗎因為他們現在也不是成員國阿對就是因為他們不是成員國所以確實沒有國家跟我們提到這個原因而且他們特別還是集中在就是要符合三原則而希望我們特別在共識局這邊加以努力\n可是當然就我們的了解當然有些國家跟中國的經貿往來上面確實是互動比較密切可是這些國家不會單純只有因為這個因素在評估這些新成員的入會因為我在想說從過去APEC跟WTO的經驗過程當中的時候大陸的態度確實是影響到我們是不是能夠順利進去的一個很重要的一個點就是副代表對這部分有沒有什麼反對的看法\n我們必須要講說中國確實是現在第二大的世界經濟體所以它跟很多國家有緊密的互動往來但是畢竟現在的國際形勢的狀況是跟以前是不同的所以我們現在所接觸的往來跟這些CPTPP國家\n告訴我們的反應就是希望我們可以透過各種的方式包括我們的實質的經貿交流展現臺灣可以對CPTPP國家的供應鏈上面的貢獻因為你們現在是整個我們在要加入CPTPP當中的一個統籌的一個單位那很多的單位其實都要參與在這當中對於陸委會這邊你有沒有什麼特別的期待就陸委會應該要怎麼去做能夠會有助於我們加入CPTPP\n因為我們現在都是個別在申請的新成員國所以我們基本上新申請國不會去跟其他國家做進一步的溝通這個是大家基本上面的運作規則所以入委會我們當然基本上不會特別去請入委會來協助但是我們當然在過程的專業意見我們也會遵行入委會的意見\n選舉委員沒有特別請陸委會在這個部分就兩岸溝通當中的時候能夠有更積極的一個做法基本上是沒有的目前我們沒有特別請陸委會來針對CPTPP的案件來表示意見\nOK 那我會這邊有沒有要特別做一個說明因為我看到我們所有的書面報告當中的時候對於這部分著墨也都很少那副主委這邊可以稍微講一下謝謝委員關注到這個議題那其實我們的立場很明確因為我們一直都是參與國際經貿組織已經有好幾次像剛剛委員講到APEC跟WTO在這個過程當中我們就是看每一個人的條件\n符合條件的話就應該是可以參與那對於中國如果對這個部分有些政治框架的話我們是要表示要據理力爭的OK 那個我這邊特別補充一下就是經貿談判辦公室這邊因為我們要加入CPTPP這個過程當中因為我們在WTO當中其實是雙軌性的一個方式在做處理比方說我們對大陸這邊的一個貿易的一個條件跟其他國家有一些差異\n我們進到CPTPP可能必須要一致化去處理所以對於這樣的問題我們要怎麼去因應請邁達邦這邊之後再給我一個很詳細的資料然後對於我們過去這幾年我們做了哪些努力也請給我一個書面的資料謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.414 --> 00:27.200\n鄭正前委員主席好我想先請一下經濟部郭智輝郭部長還有我們行政院經貿談判辦公室的副總談判代表顏惠欣顏副總談判代表然後還有我們陸委會的副主委陸委會副主委\n\n00:28.922 --> 00:43.210\n委員長部長好那個很感謝主席今天特別安排了就是CPTPP相關的一個主題的議題那我想說經濟部在9月份的時候公布了一個狀態就是說我們9月份的外銷訂單高達538億美元那年增率4.6%那基本上是熱的連續7個月都正成長\n\n00:51.315 --> 01:13.730\n那國發會在9月底也發布了經濟那個景氣燈號是紅燈表示臺灣目前的經濟熱度其實是很好的可是我們在這裡面也看到了幾個點就是說在整個資通訊產業當中ICT其實都很不錯可是呢在傳產的部分的時候呢感覺是說就不是這麼一回事像包括那個化學品的部分負8.5%相較於去年\n\n01:16.852 --> 01:35.522\n的同時間然後那個整個塑膠橡膠製品也負1.1%那我們如果看到整個那個整個傳統工業的部分的時候我們中國的傳產指標基本金屬工業基本金屬的部分相較於2021年基期的時候只剩下74.9%\n\n01:37.503 --> 02:05.144\n那化學材料及肥料只有佔74.6那機械設備是86.9汽車及零件到89.4那我為什麼講這個部分就是說除了ICT高科技產業當中的時候一支獨秀其他傳產部分其實坦白說我覺得是衰退感覺有一點明顯那為什麼提到這個部分是因為以目前來說因為我們的整個高科技產業的部分的時候因為有資訊科技協定\n\n02:05.945 --> 02:33.918\n所以它讓臺灣在相關的高科技產業當中的走遍全球大概都還算是可以的雖然川普說要科增大陸關稅60%可能會影響到臺灣相關的產業可是對高科技來說可能還是相當比較穩健的部分那傳產部分可能就會比較吃力那因為今天我們特別提到CPTPP這部分的時候它對於整個傳產的部分我們希望它能夠有一些比較更大的一個保障所以我們很希望知道說整個\n\n02:34.998 --> 03:00.912\n這CPTPP目前整個的進度到底是怎麼一回事那我想說針對這個經濟部因為經濟部這件報告裡面很直接講說針對CPTPP的一個統籌的單位是經貿談判辦公室那我們經濟部對於CPTPP這個部分的時候目前有沒有做一個怎麼樣的努力然後有沒有什麼一個分析報告出來這個部分我能不能夠請我的那個國貿署署長跟你報告可以謝謝\n\n03:04.986 --> 03:21.778\n謝謝委員首先我們有做國內法規的相關的檢視為了要符合CPTPP的高標準所以目前國內的法規都已經符合這個高標準的要求你們覺得現在台灣要加入CPTPP最大的阻力在什麼地方\n\n03:23.170 --> 03:51.759\n因為奧克蘭原則有三大有三個要求第一個就是要我們要符合這個良好的貿易的這個承諾這個部分我們確實都有做到而且最大的困難點在哪裡我想我們要積極的去尋求所有成員對於我們的支持如果而且呢必須來儘速的來成立我們入會的工作OK來這個部分最大的困難點在什麼地方你們經濟部這邊有沒有評估\n\n03:53.426 --> 04:18.598\n有些國家他有他自己的考量所以我們也特別針對這些國家去強化跟他們的互動甚至有做相關的邀訪我想問一下經貿談判辦公室因為我看經貿談判辦公室當中的一個書面資料當中直接表示因為奧克蘭三原則當中的時候針對我們的高標準還有一個表述貿易承諾的部分\n\n04:19.338 --> 04:33.746\n你直接提到的字眼其實是就是所有的那個與會的國家大概都均無一役表示台灣做得很好那既然是這樣的情況之下的時候你覺得我們現在台灣要加入CPTPP最大的阻力在哪裡\n\n04:35.148 --> 05:02.390\n好謝謝委員的推詢針對這個我們在透過各種方式去接觸的過程確實大家對於我們符合高標準以及有良好的貿易記錄沒有任何的異議沒有任何的異議嗎沒有任何的問題那當然那我們應該走得很順可是我們從2021年申請9月到現在已經進入第4個年頭了因為前半段他們都是在處理英國的入會問題直到今年他們才開始有時間去處理新的成員國\n\n05:03.451 --> 05:23.765\n新的成員國他們就是在針對這用奧克蘭三原則來做審視我們結束的過程他們特別提到共識絕這個是希望臺灣要特別去努力的部分理解因為我在想說臺灣其實也不是第一次加入國際組織包括APEC、WTO都有加入可是當時的時候很多學者專家都覺得當時有一個很大的\n\n05:25.526 --> 05:32.339\n必須要被考慮的點就在中國大陸的一個態度跟角色在CPTPP當中的時候我們是不是也面臨這樣的問題\n\n05:34.395 --> 05:59.368\n我們在接觸的過程當中並沒有任何一個國家特別跟我們提到這樣子的一個概念沒有任何一個國家提到中國大陸的因素是我們現在還進不來的原因是這個樣子嗎因為他們現在也不是成員國阿對就是因為他們不是成員國所以確實沒有國家跟我們提到這個原因而且他們特別還是集中在就是要符合三原則而希望我們特別在共識局這邊加以努力\n\n05:59.848 --> 06:28.386\n可是當然就我們的了解當然有些國家跟中國的經貿往來上面確實是互動比較密切可是這些國家不會單純只有因為這個因素在評估這些新成員的入會因為我在想說從過去APEC跟WTO的經驗過程當中的時候大陸的態度確實是影響到我們是不是能夠順利進去的一個很重要的一個點就是副代表對這部分有沒有什麼反對的看法\n\n06:30.101 --> 06:47.655\n我們必須要講說中國確實是現在第二大的世界經濟體所以它跟很多國家有緊密的互動往來但是畢竟現在的國際形勢的狀況是跟以前是不同的所以我們現在所接觸的往來跟這些CPTPP國家\n\n06:48.095 --> 07:15.893\n告訴我們的反應就是希望我們可以透過各種的方式包括我們的實質的經貿交流展現臺灣可以對CPTPP國家的供應鏈上面的貢獻因為你們現在是整個我們在要加入CPTPP當中的一個統籌的一個單位那很多的單位其實都要參與在這當中對於陸委會這邊你有沒有什麼特別的期待就陸委會應該要怎麼去做能夠會有助於我們加入CPTPP\n\n07:17.897 --> 07:42.202\n因為我們現在都是個別在申請的新成員國所以我們基本上新申請國不會去跟其他國家做進一步的溝通這個是大家基本上面的運作規則所以入委會我們當然基本上不會特別去請入委會來協助但是我們當然在過程的專業意見我們也會遵行入委會的意見\n\n07:43.178 --> 07:57.827\n選舉委員沒有特別請陸委會在這個部分就兩岸溝通當中的時候能夠有更積極的一個做法基本上是沒有的目前我們沒有特別請陸委會來針對CPTPP的案件來表示意見\n\n07:58.629 --> 08:28.149\nOK那我會這邊有沒有要特別做一個說明因為我看到我們所有的書面報告當中的時候對於這部分著墨也都很少那副主委這邊可以稍微講一下謝謝委員關注到這個議題那其實我們的立場很明確因為我們一直都是參與國際經貿組織已經有好幾次像剛剛委員講到APEC跟WTO在這個過程當中我們就是看每一個人的條件\n\n08:28.649 --> 08:45.293\n符合條件的話就應該是可以參與那對於中國如果對這個部分有些政治框架的話我們是要表示要據理力爭的OK那個我這邊特別補充一下就是經貿談判辦公室這邊因為我們要加入CPTPP這個過程當中因為我們在WTO當中其實是雙軌性的一個方式在做處理比方說我們對大陸這邊的一個貿易的一個條件跟其他國家有一些差異\n\n08:56.656 --> 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