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00:00:14,924\n法務部警政署訴發部委員好\n\n2\n00:00:30,503 --> 00:00:55,255\n今天我們的專案報告是電子煙入侵校園危害青少年我們防制相關作為的檢討涉及到很多的部會那剛剛前面的質詢很多都提到了電子煙目前青少年使用是相當的氾濫那根據我們的法規電子煙它是屬於類煙品這個屬於危害防制法目前我們是行政罰則但是其中我特別關注的\n\n3\n00:00:55,615 --> 00:01:00,957\n就是電子煙含毒品電子煙油參入毒品這個就是屬於毒品危害防制條例那主管機關也就是我們的法務部我想這是我們目前非常重要一個新興毒品器材的重點\n\n4\n00:01:13,303 --> 00:01:29,201\n那面對這種新興毒品我們汽茶呢一個你向上要溯源嘛向下你要斷根嘛對不對那我尤其是前陣子我看到齁在我們甚至有我們在協助汽茶的這個員警\n\n5\n00:01:30,382 --> 00:01:48,298\n因為有民眾使用了這一個我們剛剛講的喪屍煙彈也就是伊托米酯這個目前是列管為三級毒品那有毒後駕駛我們有員警在棄材當中不幸殉職也有民眾是因為其他人\n\n6\n00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:55,023\n獨厚駕駛而被撞死的所以我覺得這對我們社會危害性相當之高那我看我們警政署在這個月在10月的衛環委員會也有過專案報告想請問一下目前你們針對這個喪屍煙彈棄查的情形有沒有一個初步的結果\n\n7\n00:02:15,697 --> 00:02:32,103\n謝謝委員我想我們上次煙彈我們事實上在它還沒有列為三級毒品的時候我們就開始做一個查緝動作了是那我們從7月1號到10月14號我們查獲的上次煙毒案有1828件這是查獲的對是查獲的案件是那\n\n8\n00:02:37,830 --> 00:02:45,260\n有沒有人次的數字人次是2207人對這數字光是這105天之內就這麼的高我幫你換算一下平均一天等於是17件所以你不能只有專案期間10月14號之後我們目前還有沒有持續在統計\n\n9\n00:02:54,697 --> 00:03:18,187\n跟委員報告事實上我們現在是我們一個查緝的重點我們除了專門查緝現在在安基專我們也是列為一個重點的一個查緝工作好你們這個查緝的情形還是要持續來統計數字我們才會知道說他是攀升還是我們的查緝作為是有效在減緩的但我看到一個案件8月的時候也是我們警政署破獲的\n\n10\n00:03:19,387 --> 00:03:19,407\n吳沛憶議員\n\n11\n00:03:39,605 --> 00:03:39,925\n這個案子最主要我想\n\n12\n00:03:58,038 --> 00:03:59,339\n所以他有自己的網站嗎?當時有沒有去封網?\n\n13\n00:04:15,342 --> 00:04:32,969\n有去從這個偵查的程序上去做,然後在藍組...偵查當中就先封網了嗎?因為這個網後查出來這個是在大陸那要這個網易要斷解,目前我們在行這個司法程序來辦理那這個案子我們能夠查留三個...所以當時查器當中有沒有封網?封網要有一定的...來,書發部可不可以回答?\n\n14\n00:04:40,540 --> 00:04:46,288\n我剛講的8月這一案喔已經移送的這一案喔當時有沒有封網請用麥克風\n\n15\n00:04:51,042 --> 00:05:17,004\n到目前為止我們沒有接到這部分的封網不過基本上這部分它可能有涉及到幾個問題可以去協助處理的第一個就是各平台有社群守則這不是平台這個是網站對有的是網站我現在講的就是這一個單獨網站基本上這個還是要回到法律的程序他們現在已經進行法律程序去處理了以上報告\n\n16\n00:05:17,845 --> 00:05:27,914\n好這個呢如果是按照我們的兒照性剝削的也是一樣跟平台、速發部你們有一個流程嘛在查緝辦案當中因為他已經違法這是三級毒品啊署長辦案當中就應該要封網所以如果說我現在請教速發部如果法務部寫一個文給你們你們可不可以封網\n\n17\n00:05:38,523 --> 00:05:55,736\n報告委員是這樣子﹖目前所有﹖你們可以請網路資訊中心來處理嗎?基本上現在所有﹖你先凍結他的網域嗎?可不可以?基本上我沒辦法凍結他的網域﹖因為TW應該只能處理點TW份那至於您提的﹖對我講的就是點TW﹖這個不是點TW﹖假設是的話﹖假設是的話我們其實可以立刻\n\n18\n00:05:55,776 --> 00:05:57,657\n現在這個署長我告訴你剛剛我講了這個8月的案件他的網站到現在為止還在網路上\n\n19\n00:06:18,820 --> 00:06:24,465\n而且他強調說人家賣到有品牌了強調說他才是正版的千萬不能去買其他品牌的然後他強調什麼呢24小時之內我就給你送達所以啊這個一定要去封網你封網你們現在還需要研擬什麼樣的機制來跟我們討論你們剛剛講到了嘛署長新興這個我們講的這個新興毒品不只是三級我們有沒有在研擬來把它提升成二級\n\n20\n00:06:46,598 --> 00:07:15,128\n他已經太放爛了嘛上司煙彈這一個我們有在研擬從三級提到二級有沒有在研擬誰可以回答跟委員報告這個毒品的審議在法務部是8月份行政院公告你的麥克風請靠近一點8月份行政院公告伊托米子為三級毒品但是我們發現社會的這個泛濫性危害性蠻大的所以我們在10月21號就發公允給各機關再收集資料是\n\n21\n00:07:16,248 --> 00:07:39,980\n11月14號我們將會召開獨省審議委員會準備來這個審議這個伊東米子要不要把它列為二級獨品那除了伊東米子之外因為它有周邊的類似的獨品就是美東米子跟伊東帕子也會同時在11月14號就下禮拜會做一個全面性檢討要不要把它升級為\n\n22\n00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:56,107\n多病的管制從三級升到二級三級的最低程度是七年以上二級是十年以上你要評估不是隨便評估嘛一定是你們發現它有所影響主要指標社會安全危害性以及它的氾濫性\n\n23\n00:07:57,725 --> 00:08:01,287\n倘若這個問題確實是我們現在這麼嚴重的社會問題的話封網啊你這個網站民眾隨手可得隨時可以買更不用說我們的青少年剛剛討論那麼多你這個溯源沒有處理沒有辦法來根本的斷絕所以我希望法務部、警政署、速發部趕快我們來討論出一個流程一旦我們警政署我們的這個情勢警察局發現有這樣的網站的時候趕快去封網啊\n\n24\n00:08:26,961 --> 00:08:27,182\n請教育部部長\n\n25\n00:08:48,581 --> 00:08:51,983\n部長我想要跟您關心的是10月的時候有個報導指出我們臺北醫學大學有一名消性的教師他是性騷擾的慣伴並且也經過學校的性評的調查也確實屬實那這個教師目前是已經被解聘了不過我們去回顧他的流程因為這個老師呢不只是在學校任職他同時也是我們國科會研究計畫的主持人及共同主持人\n\n26\n00:09:15,276 --> 00:09:16,219\n這個案件是在去年12月的時候北一的性評會就已經調查確認有性評案件了\n\n27\n00:09:24,508 --> 00:09:50,450\n所以按照我們目前國科會的法規有性平違反性平法規的人就不得擔任國科會的計畫主持人可是呢這個老師去年學校已經調查出有性平案件結果他同樣繼續去年國科會的計畫還繼續的主持不只是去年主持到今年7月還在主持然後呢今年學校還讓他去申請新的國科會研究計畫\n\n28\n00:09:52,637 --> 00:09:56,067\n部長有沒有了解過這個案件?我看到了報導\n\n29\n00:09:58,464 --> 00:10:03,025\n這個不能只有看到報導我認為這個問題相當的嚴重因為我們確實已經調查有性平案件了那你解聘需要一定的程序我們也要給老師他既有的這個權益是要的你這個程序一定是需要時間可是他應該在調查屬實的當下就應該要立即通報國科會去解除他國科會研究計畫主持人的身份是不是這個樣子\n\n30\n00:10:26,269 --> 00:10:30,011\n是嘛有點頭但是當時學校卻沒有做學校沒有通報國科會還讓老師又去申請新的計畫計畫主持人有計畫研究助理有相關的團隊因為這個性平安禁他不是一案而已他是多個人來檢舉喔所以你們讓他在這麼長的時間裡面有這麼多有更多的機會可以來接觸對所以我請教育部\n\n31\n00:10:51,144 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你們可不可以封網\n338523\t355736\t報告委員是這樣子﹖目前所有﹖你們可以請網路資訊中心來處理嗎?基本上現在所有﹖你先凍結他的網域嗎?可不可以?基本上我沒辦法凍結他的網域﹖因為TW應該只能處理點TW份那至於您提的﹖對我講的就是點TW﹖這個不是點TW﹖假設是的話﹖假設是的話我們其實可以立刻\n355776\t357657\t現在這個署長我告訴你剛剛我講了這個8月的案件他的網站到現在為止還在網路上\n378820\t384465\t而且他強調說人家賣到有品牌了強調說他才是正版的千萬不能去買其他品牌的然後他強調什麼呢24小時之內我就給你送達所以啊這個一定要去封網你封網你們現在還需要研擬什麼樣的機制來跟我們討論你們剛剛講到了嘛署長新興這個我們講的這個新興毒品不只是三級我們有沒有在研擬來把它提升成二級\n406598\t435128\t他已經太放爛了嘛上司煙彈這一個我們有在研擬從三級提到二級有沒有在研擬誰可以回答跟委員報告這個毒品的審議在法務部是8月份行政院公告你的麥克風請靠近一點8月份行政院公告伊托米子為三級毒品但是我們發現社會的這個泛濫性危害性蠻大的所以我們在10月21號就發公允給各機關再收集資料是\n436248\t459980\t11月14號我們將會召開獨省審議委員會準備來這個審議這個伊東米子要不要把它列為二級獨品那除了伊東米子之外因為它有周邊的類似的獨品就是美東米子跟伊東帕子也會同時在11月14號就下禮拜會做一個全面性檢討要不要把它升級為\n460880\t476107\t多病的管制從三級升到二級三級的最低程度是七年以上二級是十年以上你要評估不是隨便評估嘛一定是你們發現它有所影響主要指標社會安全危害性以及它的氾濫性\n477725\t481287\t倘若這個問題確實是我們現在這麼嚴重的社會問題的話封網啊你這個網站民眾隨手可得隨時可以買更不用說我們的青少年剛剛討論那麼多你這個溯源沒有處理沒有辦法來根本的斷絕所以我希望法務部、警政署、速發部趕快我們來討論出一個流程一旦我們警政署我們的這個情勢警察局發現有這樣的網站的時候趕快去封網啊\n506961\t507182\t請教育部部長\n528581\t531983\t部長我想要跟您關心的是10月的時候有個報導指出我們臺北醫學大學有一名消性的教師他是性騷擾的慣伴並且也經過學校的性評的調查也確實屬實那這個教師目前是已經被解聘了不過我們去回顧他的流程因為這個老師呢不只是在學校任職他同時也是我們國科會研究計畫的主持人及共同主持人\n555276\t556219\t這個案件是在去年12月的時候北一的性評會就已經調查確認有性評案件了\n564508\t590450\t所以按照我們目前國科會的法規有性平違反性平法規的人就不得擔任國科會的計畫主持人可是呢這個老師去年學校已經調查出有性平案件結果他同樣繼續去年國科會的計畫還繼續的主持不只是去年主持到今年7月還在主持然後呢今年學校還讓他去申請新的國科會研究計畫\n592637\t596067\t部長有沒有了解過這個案件?我看到了報導\n598464\t603025\t這個不能只有看到報導我認為這個問題相當的嚴重因為我們確實已經調查有性平案件了那你解聘需要一定的程序我們也要給老師他既有的這個權益是要的你這個程序一定是需要時間可是他應該在調查屬實的當下就應該要立即通報國科會去解除他國科會研究計畫主持人的身份是不是這個樣子\n626269\t630011\t是嘛 有點頭但是當時學校卻沒有做學校沒有通報國科會還讓老師又去申請新的計畫計畫主持人有計畫研究助理有相關的團隊因為這個性平安禁他不是一案而已他是多個人來檢舉喔所以你們讓他在這麼長的時間裡面有這麼多有更多的機會可以來接觸對 所以我請教育部\n651144\t669307\t來去了解整個時間序列按照我對法官的了解應當是在去年的12月北一的性平案件調查組織出來的時候就立刻要解除他國科會主持人的身份而且不可能讓他再去申請新的案件請教育部來進行了解並且把這個過程讓我知道好不好我們來了解然後這個我們要責成這個學校一定要務必要檢討改進\n677589\t685158\t是 這個國科會是負責計畫的審查但是教育部是我們學校裡面性平安全的守護者要請你們嚴格來把關好 謝謝\n","txt":"法務部警政署訴發部委員好\n今天我們的專案報告是電子煙入侵校園危害青少年我們防制相關作為的檢討涉及到很多的部會那剛剛前面的質詢很多都提到了電子煙目前青少年使用是相當的氾濫那根據我們的法規電子煙它是屬於類煙品這個屬於危害防制法目前我們是行政罰則但是其中我特別關注的\n就是電子煙含毒品電子煙油參入毒品這個就是屬於毒品危害防制條例那主管機關也就是我們的法務部我想這是我們目前非常重要一個新興毒品器材的重點\n那面對這種新興毒品我們汽茶呢一個你向上要溯源嘛向下你要斷根嘛對不對那我尤其是前陣子我看到齁在我們甚至有我們在協助汽茶的這個員警\n因為有民眾使用了這一個我們剛剛講的喪屍煙彈也就是伊托米酯這個目前是列管為三級毒品那有毒後駕駛我們有員警在棄材當中不幸殉職也有民眾是因為其他人\n獨厚駕駛而被撞死的所以我覺得這對我們社會危害性相當之高那我看我們警政署在這個月在10月的衛環委員會也有過專案報告想請問一下目前你們針對這個喪屍煙彈棄查的情形有沒有一個初步的結果\n謝謝委員我想我們上次煙彈我們事實上在它還沒有列為三級毒品的時候我們就開始做一個查緝動作了是那我們從7月1號到10月14號我們查獲的上次煙毒案有1828件這是查獲的對 是查獲的案件 是那\n有沒有人次的數字人次是2207人對 這數字光是這105天之內就這麼的高我幫你換算一下平均一天等於是17件所以你不能只有專案期間10月14號之後我們目前還有沒有持續在統計\n跟委員報告事實上我們現在是我們一個查緝的重點我們除了專門查緝現在在安基專我們也是列為一個重點的一個查緝工作好你們這個查緝的情形還是要持續來統計數字我們才會知道說他是攀升還是我們的查緝作為是有效在減緩的但我看到一個案件8月的時候也是我們警政署破獲的\n吳沛憶議員\n這個案子最主要我想\n所以他有自己的網站嗎?當時有沒有去封網?\n有去從這個偵查的程序上去做,然後在藍組...偵查當中就先封網了嗎?因為這個網後查出來這個是在大陸那要這個網易要斷解,目前我們在行這個司法程序來辦理那這個案子我們能夠查留三個...所以當時查器當中有沒有封網?封網要有一定的...來,書發部可不可以回答?\n我剛講的8月這一案喔已經移送的這一案喔當時有沒有封網請用麥克風\n到目前為止我們沒有接到這部分的封網不過基本上這部分它可能有涉及到幾個問題可以去協助處理的第一個就是各平台有社群守則這不是平台這個是網站對 有的是網站我現在講的就是這一個單獨網站基本上這個還是要回到法律的程序他們現在已經進行法律程序去處理了以上報告\n好 這個呢 如果是按照我們的兒照性剝削的也是一樣 跟平台、速發部你們有一個流程嘛在查緝辦案當中 因為他已經違法這是三級毒品啊 署長 辦案當中就應該要封網所以如果說我現在請教速發部 如果法務部寫一個文給你們 你們可不可以封網\n報告委員是這樣子﹖目前所有﹖你們可以請網路資訊中心來處理嗎?基本上現在所有﹖你先凍結他的網域嗎?可不可以?基本上我沒辦法凍結他的網域﹖因為TW應該只能處理點TW份那至於您提的﹖對我講的就是點TW﹖這個不是點TW﹖假設是的話﹖假設是的話我們其實可以立刻\n現在這個署長我告訴你剛剛我講了這個8月的案件他的網站到現在為止還在網路上\n而且他強調說人家賣到有品牌了強調說他才是正版的千萬不能去買其他品牌的然後他強調什麼呢24小時之內我就給你送達所以啊這個一定要去封網你封網你們現在還需要研擬什麼樣的機制來跟我們討論你們剛剛講到了嘛署長新興這個我們講的這個新興毒品不只是三級我們有沒有在研擬來把它提升成二級\n他已經太放爛了嘛上司煙彈這一個我們有在研擬從三級提到二級有沒有在研擬誰可以回答跟委員報告這個毒品的審議在法務部是8月份行政院公告你的麥克風請靠近一點8月份行政院公告伊托米子為三級毒品但是我們發現社會的這個泛濫性危害性蠻大的所以我們在10月21號就發公允給各機關再收集資料是\n11月14號我們將會召開獨省審議委員會準備來這個審議這個伊東米子要不要把它列為二級獨品那除了伊東米子之外因為它有周邊的類似的獨品就是美東米子跟伊東帕子也會同時在11月14號就下禮拜會做一個全面性檢討要不要把它升級為\n多病的管制從三級升到二級三級的最低程度是七年以上二級是十年以上你要評估不是隨便評估嘛一定是你們發現它有所影響主要指標社會安全危害性以及它的氾濫性\n倘若這個問題確實是我們現在這麼嚴重的社會問題的話封網啊你這個網站民眾隨手可得隨時可以買更不用說我們的青少年剛剛討論那麼多你這個溯源沒有處理沒有辦法來根本的斷絕所以我希望法務部、警政署、速發部趕快我們來討論出一個流程一旦我們警政署我們的這個情勢警察局發現有這樣的網站的時候趕快去封網啊\n請教育部部長\n部長我想要跟您關心的是10月的時候有個報導指出我們臺北醫學大學有一名消性的教師他是性騷擾的慣伴並且也經過學校的性評的調查也確實屬實那這個教師目前是已經被解聘了不過我們去回顧他的流程因為這個老師呢不只是在學校任職他同時也是我們國科會研究計畫的主持人及共同主持人\n這個案件是在去年12月的時候北一的性評會就已經調查確認有性評案件了\n所以按照我們目前國科會的法規有性平違反性平法規的人就不得擔任國科會的計畫主持人可是呢這個老師去年學校已經調查出有性平案件結果他同樣繼續去年國科會的計畫還繼續的主持不只是去年主持到今年7月還在主持然後呢今年學校還讓他去申請新的國科會研究計畫\n部長有沒有了解過這個案件?我看到了報導\n這個不能只有看到報導我認為這個問題相當的嚴重因為我們確實已經調查有性平案件了那你解聘需要一定的程序我們也要給老師他既有的這個權益是要的你這個程序一定是需要時間可是他應該在調查屬實的當下就應該要立即通報國科會去解除他國科會研究計畫主持人的身份是不是這個樣子\n是嘛 有點頭但是當時學校卻沒有做學校沒有通報國科會還讓老師又去申請新的計畫計畫主持人有計畫研究助理有相關的團隊因為這個性平安禁他不是一案而已他是多個人來檢舉喔所以你們讓他在這麼長的時間裡面有這麼多有更多的機會可以來接觸對 所以我請教育部\n來去了解整個時間序列按照我對法官的了解應當是在去年的12月北一的性平案件調查組織出來的時候就立刻要解除他國科會主持人的身份而且不可能讓他再去申請新的案件請教育部來進行了解並且把這個過程讓我知道好不好我們來了解然後這個我們要責成這個學校一定要務必要檢討改進\n是 這個國科會是負責計畫的審查但是教育部是我們學校裡面性平安全的守護者要請你們嚴格來把關好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.998 --> 00:14.924\n法務部警政署訴發部委員好\n\n00:30.503 --> 00:55.255\n今天我們的專案報告是電子煙入侵校園危害青少年我們防制相關作為的檢討涉及到很多的部會那剛剛前面的質詢很多都提到了電子煙目前青少年使用是相當的氾濫那根據我們的法規電子煙它是屬於類煙品這個屬於危害防制法目前我們是行政罰則但是其中我特別關注的\n\n00:55.615 --> 01:00.957\n就是電子煙含毒品電子煙油參入毒品這個就是屬於毒品危害防制條例那主管機關也就是我們的法務部我想這是我們目前非常重要一個新興毒品器材的重點\n\n01:13.303 --> 01:29.201\n那面對這種新興毒品我們汽茶呢一個你向上要溯源嘛向下你要斷根嘛對不對那我尤其是前陣子我看到齁在我們甚至有我們在協助汽茶的這個員警\n\n01:30.382 --> 01:48.298\n因為有民眾使用了這一個我們剛剛講的喪屍煙彈也就是伊托米酯這個目前是列管為三級毒品那有毒後駕駛我們有員警在棄材當中不幸殉職也有民眾是因為其他人\n\n01:49.680 --> 01:55.023\n獨厚駕駛而被撞死的所以我覺得這對我們社會危害性相當之高那我看我們警政署在這個月在10月的衛環委員會也有過專案報告想請問一下目前你們針對這個喪屍煙彈棄查的情形有沒有一個初步的結果\n\n02:15.697 --> 02:32.103\n謝謝委員我想我們上次煙彈我們事實上在它還沒有列為三級毒品的時候我們就開始做一個查緝動作了是那我們從7月1號到10月14號我們查獲的上次煙毒案有1828件這是查獲的對是查獲的案件是那\n\n02:37.830 --> 02:45.260\n有沒有人次的數字人次是2207人對這數字光是這105天之內就這麼的高我幫你換算一下平均一天等於是17件所以你不能只有專案期間10月14號之後我們目前還有沒有持續在統計\n\n02:54.697 --> 03:18.187\n跟委員報告事實上我們現在是我們一個查緝的重點我們除了專門查緝現在在安基專我們也是列為一個重點的一個查緝工作好你們這個查緝的情形還是要持續來統計數字我們才會知道說他是攀升還是我們的查緝作為是有效在減緩的但我看到一個案件8月的時候也是我們警政署破獲的\n\n03:19.387 --> 03:19.407\n吳沛憶議員\n\n03:39.605 --> 03:39.925\n這個案子最主要我想\n\n03:58.038 --> 03:59.339\n所以他有自己的網站嗎?當時有沒有去封網?\n\n04:15.342 --> 04:32.969\n有去從這個偵查的程序上去做,然後在藍組...偵查當中就先封網了嗎?因為這個網後查出來這個是在大陸那要這個網易要斷解,目前我們在行這個司法程序來辦理那這個案子我們能夠查留三個...所以當時查器當中有沒有封網?封網要有一定的...來,書發部可不可以回答?\n\n04:40.540 --> 04:46.288\n我剛講的8月這一案喔已經移送的這一案喔當時有沒有封網請用麥克風\n\n04:51.042 --> 05:17.004\n到目前為止我們沒有接到這部分的封網不過基本上這部分它可能有涉及到幾個問題可以去協助處理的第一個就是各平台有社群守則這不是平台這個是網站對有的是網站我現在講的就是這一個單獨網站基本上這個還是要回到法律的程序他們現在已經進行法律程序去處理了以上報告\n\n05:17.845 --> 05:27.914\n好這個呢如果是按照我們的兒照性剝削的也是一樣跟平台、速發部你們有一個流程嘛在查緝辦案當中因為他已經違法這是三級毒品啊署長辦案當中就應該要封網所以如果說我現在請教速發部如果法務部寫一個文給你們你們可不可以封網\n\n05:38.523 --> 05:55.736\n報告委員是這樣子﹖目前所有﹖你們可以請網路資訊中心來處理嗎?基本上現在所有﹖你先凍結他的網域嗎?可不可以?基本上我沒辦法凍結他的網域﹖因為TW應該只能處理點TW份那至於您提的﹖對我講的就是點TW﹖這個不是點TW﹖假設是的話﹖假設是的話我們其實可以立刻\n\n05:55.776 --> 05:57.657\n現在這個署長我告訴你剛剛我講了這個8月的案件他的網站到現在為止還在網路上\n\n06:18.820 --> 06:24.465\n而且他強調說人家賣到有品牌了強調說他才是正版的千萬不能去買其他品牌的然後他強調什麼呢24小時之內我就給你送達所以啊這個一定要去封網你封網你們現在還需要研擬什麼樣的機制來跟我們討論你們剛剛講到了嘛署長新興這個我們講的這個新興毒品不只是三級我們有沒有在研擬來把它提升成二級\n\n06:46.598 --> 07:15.128\n他已經太放爛了嘛上司煙彈這一個我們有在研擬從三級提到二級有沒有在研擬誰可以回答跟委員報告這個毒品的審議在法務部是8月份行政院公告你的麥克風請靠近一點8月份行政院公告伊托米子為三級毒品但是我們發現社會的這個泛濫性危害性蠻大的所以我們在10月21號就發公允給各機關再收集資料是\n\n07:16.248 --> 07:39.980\n11月14號我們將會召開獨省審議委員會準備來這個審議這個伊東米子要不要把它列為二級獨品那除了伊東米子之外因為它有周邊的類似的獨品就是美東米子跟伊東帕子也會同時在11月14號就下禮拜會做一個全面性檢討要不要把它升級為\n\n07:40.880 --> 07:56.107\n多病的管制從三級升到二級三級的最低程度是七年以上二級是十年以上你要評估不是隨便評估嘛一定是你們發現它有所影響主要指標社會安全危害性以及它的氾濫性\n\n07:57.725 --> 08:01.287\n倘若這個問題確實是我們現在這麼嚴重的社會問題的話封網啊你這個網站民眾隨手可得隨時可以買更不用說我們的青少年剛剛討論那麼多你這個溯源沒有處理沒有辦法來根本的斷絕所以我希望法務部、警政署、速發部趕快我們來討論出一個流程一旦我們警政署我們的這個情勢警察局發現有這樣的網站的時候趕快去封網啊\n\n08:26.961 --> 08:27.182\n請教育部部長\n\n08:48.581 --> 08:51.983\n部長我想要跟您關心的是10月的時候有個報導指出我們臺北醫學大學有一名消性的教師他是性騷擾的慣伴並且也經過學校的性評的調查也確實屬實那這個教師目前是已經被解聘了不過我們去回顧他的流程因為這個老師呢不只是在學校任職他同時也是我們國科會研究計畫的主持人及共同主持人\n\n09:15.276 --> 09:16.219\n這個案件是在去年12月的時候北一的性評會就已經調查確認有性評案件了\n\n09:24.508 --> 09:50.450\n所以按照我們目前國科會的法規有性平違反性平法規的人就不得擔任國科會的計畫主持人可是呢這個老師去年學校已經調查出有性平案件結果他同樣繼續去年國科會的計畫還繼續的主持不只是去年主持到今年7月還在主持然後呢今年學校還讓他去申請新的國科會研究計畫\n\n09:52.637 --> 09:56.067\n部長有沒有了解過這個案件?我看到了報導\n\n09:58.464 --> 10:03.025\n這個不能只有看到報導我認為這個問題相當的嚴重因為我們確實已經調查有性平案件了那你解聘需要一定的程序我們也要給老師他既有的這個權益是要的你這個程序一定是需要時間可是他應該在調查屬實的當下就應該要立即通報國科會去解除他國科會研究計畫主持人的身份是不是這個樣子\n\n10:26.269 --> 10:30.011\n是嘛有點頭但是當時學校卻沒有做學校沒有通報國科會還讓老師又去申請新的計畫計畫主持人有計畫研究助理有相關的團隊因為這個性平安禁他不是一案而已他是多個人來檢舉喔所以你們讓他在這麼長的時間裡面有這麼多有更多的機會可以來接觸對所以我請教育部\n\n10:51.144 --> 11:09.307\n來去了解整個時間序列按照我對法官的了解應當是在去年的12月北一的性平案件調查組織出來的時候就立刻要解除他國科會主持人的身份而且不可能讓他再去申請新的案件請教育部來進行了解並且把這個過程讓我知道好不好我們來了解然後這個我們要責成這個學校一定要務必要檢討改進\n\n11:17.589 --> 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