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00:02:26,171\n跟委員報告有關21世紀臺美貿易倡議第一階段的談判已經確定了年底前會宣布完成所有的程序至於第二階段也在談判中也相當有進展\n\n8\n00:02:27,792 --> 00:02:43,083\n當然因為原來12個項目裡面也還有第三階段所以我們會循序漸進先確保第一階段如期通過第二階段的談判現在也是順利在進行中所以這個21世紀貿易的倡議它是一個\n\n9\n00:02:49,787 --> 00:02:49,947\n：羅美玲\n\n10\n00:03:18,656 --> 00:03:39,892\n有關投資美國因為因應著未來可能就是晶片法案的執行那新的可能性的發展我也密切注意那我們也會增加對美國的投資跟採購我覺得都要因應他新總統有新的名義那台美關係要好一定是要做相應的我們來加強那至於說每個總統有他的領導風格我倒不認為說這裡面會涉及難以預測\n\n11\n00:03:47,617 --> 00:03:53,339\n大家都可以預測得到,因為他的Mega,他的讓美國再次偉大的主張很清楚,很具體的應該說這是一個可能的變局,但是有挑戰有機會,那到底我們結果會怎麼樣也取決於我們自己的作為,這個不是已經決定結果的\n\n12\n00:04:14,205 --> 00:04:21,235\n確實我想各方都開始很重視川普的一言一行這個是我們台灣當然不可能置外其聲可是不代表說我們一定要去用以美論這種方式去談他們民主選出的新總統\n\n13\n00:04:30,587 --> 00:04:55,929\n我想請教就是說我剛才有提到畢竟是兩個不同的一個政黨領導人也都不一樣不可能做法會跟我們像拜登時代是一模一樣他全面接受他的這個對台政策那我剛才提到就是說像我們在21世紀貿易的這個協議這個倡議的話本席有提到說為什麼會問這一題其實跟他過去的態度有關因為川普不是第一次當總統\n\n14\n00:04:57,210 --> 00:04:57,330\n﹚羅美玲議員﹚\n\n15\n00:05:19,071 --> 00:05:36,840\n在上一次他當總統的時候為什麼本席會問說那我們跟拜登政府在簽訂的這些倡議這些協定會不會因為新政府上來了然後有所改變那是因為對應回去他過去在當總統的時候對台灣的一些貿易談判的一些態度\n\n16\n00:05:38,075 --> 00:06:05,701\n是我想對於就是說所謂的簽訂自由貿易協定這個當然是一個大的挑戰不過臺美關係像避免雙重瞌睡這個是互利也很重要要投資美國的配套那據說臺美21世紀貿易創意這樣的一個機制已經進行第一階段FirstAgreement已經通過了現在只是把最後行政權益完成我們很有信心所以你很有信心說會有所發展但是未來的還沒有\n\n17\n00:06:07,501 --> 00:06:09,962\n今天早上有很多委員提到所謂的晶片法\n\n18\n00:06:25,606 --> 00:06:48,745\n因為川普在10月底接受這個Podcast的節目訪問的時候他有再次的質疑這個晶片法對於這個外國公司的一些補助甚至有學者在推論就是說川普當選之後可能會推翻拜登政府呢他依這個晶片法提供給台積電比如說在亞利桑那州鳳凰鎮他有設廠嘛他有提供66億美元的這個補助部長你認為這個事情會發生嗎\n\n19\n00:06:53,789 --> 00:07:12,876\n因為他會吸引他去投資嘛因為這對美國有利那我想未來是不是就是說在晶片法案未來會有新的法我們當然密切注意那另外一個就是免稅這兩個是他當時去吸引包括台積電事實上去美國投資的一個誘因那\n\n20\n00:07:14,497 --> 00:07:37,717\n因為最重要是說這個成果對美國來講他已經某種程度達到投資美國所以後續怎麼去處理我在談的就是說不要把它變成一個零和的那好他如果沒有去給予這個未來更這個未來進一步的補助那當然這個供應鏈就不是那麼容易在美國嘛\n\n21\n00:07:38,697 --> 00:08:04,159\n他是為他自己的利益補助的不是只是為了說台積電去補助所以這個是我覺得現在隨著就是選舉過後很多事情會沉澱下來那大家很務實的來面對找出共同的基礎我覺得台美關係我很有信心不只是理念相近我們是厲害與共\n\n22\n00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:19,638\n那在這種情形之下台灣要有信心不要再像最近有人操作以美論、以賴論、以軍論一大堆以啦台灣要有自信我們要做我們自己該做要展現決心跟能力來保護我們自己\n\n23\n00:08:20,239 --> 00:08:20,279\n韓國瑜委員\n\n24\n00:08:35,771 --> 00:08:37,673\n外交部應該因應不同的情境來做一個政策的一些因應這是我們給予一個外交部一個提醒\n\n25\n00:08:55,914 --> 00:09:14,208\n樂觀當然我們是樂觀當然我們也看到說像川普他過去對於這個安全夥伴關係也好或是盟友這種關係他其實不是那麼的在意跟拜登的這個態度是很差很多那我們可以看到就是說像我們其實有很多一些核心的一些供應鏈這個核心的一些關鍵的技術\n\n26\n00:09:18,672 --> 00:09:26,839\n其實我們很多也是透過這種多邊或雙邊的合作我們站上這個世界的這個舞台甚至拜登政府甚至也有給台灣這個機會那我們剛才一開始我有提到所謂的台灣會變成一個美中這個談判的籌碼或是台灣會不會被邊緣化這是我們所擔心的這個問題\n\n27\n00:09:37,447 --> 00:10:03,032\n因為當然也跟川普的對外關係有很大的這個關係因為他畢竟覺得說這盟友關係、夥伴關係不是那麼重要這他從上一屆的時候我們就有看到所以不同的政府、不同的一些政策、不同的態度那當然我們希望外交部能夠神聖以對樂觀當然是要樂觀可是我們如何去應變這整個政策的這個改變我想這是應該外交部要跟各部會去做通盤的來做討論跟合作的部分\n\n28\n00:10:05,552 --> 00:10:15,746\n尤其我們的這個軟實力我們的供應力如此強如何維持維持繼續維持我們的這競爭優勢我在想這一點是外交部跟各部會應該要來審慎來處理的部分\n\n29\n00:10:18,397 --> 00:10:41,296\n我同意委員,臺美關係歷經很多的階段在現在為止我想川普總統他形成的政府他的主張我們要很重視然後他現在的人事任命我們也密切關注那後續行政跟立法特別是總統跟國會的關係其實他共同形成了一些政策\n\n30\n00:10:41,716 --> 00:11:07,839\n所以美國是一個多元政治一個民主國家所以我們要了解它的一個運作的機制那我想外交部尤其是我們駐美代表處我們其實在選前我們的各種的對情勢的評估我們都有納入今天這種選舉結果所以我們也在第一時間都按照我們原來的規劃在推展中所以我要講的就是說選舉今天跟政黨輪替是民主國家的常態\n\n31\n00:11:09,461 --> 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Agreement已經通過了現在只是把最後行政權益完成我們很有信心所以你很有信心說會有所發展但是未來的還沒有\n367501\t369962\t今天早上有很多委員提到所謂的晶片法\n385606\t408745\t因為川普在10月底接受這個Podcast的節目訪問的時候他有再次的質疑這個晶片法對於這個外國公司的一些補助甚至有學者在推論就是說川普當選之後可能會推翻拜登政府呢他依這個晶片法提供給台積電比如說在亞利桑那州鳳凰鎮他有設廠嘛他有提供66億美元的這個補助部長你認為這個事情會發生嗎\n413789\t432876\t因為他會吸引他去投資嘛因為這對美國有利那我想未來是不是就是說在晶片法案未來會有新的法我們當然密切注意那另外一個就是免稅這兩個是他當時去吸引包括台積電事實上去美國投資的一個誘因那\n434497\t457717\t因為最重要是說這個成果對美國來講他已經某種程度達到投資美國所以後續怎麼去處理我在談的就是說不要把它變成一個零和的那好他如果沒有去給予這個未來更這個未來進一步的補助那當然這個供應鏈就不是那麼容易在美國嘛\n458697\t484159\t他是為他自己的利益補助的不是只是為了說台積電去補助所以這個是我覺得現在隨著就是選舉過後很多事情會沉澱下來那大家很務實的來面對找出共同的基礎我覺得台美關係我很有信心不只是理念相近我們是厲害與共\n485080\t499638\t那在這種情形之下台灣要有信心不要再像最近有人操作以美論、以賴論、以軍論一大堆以啦台灣要有自信我們要做我們自己該做要展現決心跟能力來保護我們自己\n500239\t500279\t韓國瑜委員\n515771\t517673\t外交部應該因應不同的情境來做一個政策的一些因應這是我們給予一個外交部一個提醒\n535914\t554208\t樂觀當然我們是樂觀當然我們也看到說像川普他過去對於這個安全夥伴關係也好或是盟友這種關係他其實不是那麼的在意跟拜登的這個態度是很差很多那我們可以看到就是說像我們其實有很多一些核心的一些供應鏈這個核心的一些關鍵的技術\n558672\t566839\t其實我們很多也是透過這種多邊或雙邊的合作我們站上這個世界的這個舞台甚至拜登政府甚至也有給台灣這個機會那我們剛才一開始我有提到所謂的台灣會變成一個美中這個談判的籌碼或是台灣會不會被邊緣化這是我們所擔心的這個問題\n577447\t603032\t因為當然也跟川普的對外關係有很大的這個關係因為他畢竟覺得說這盟友關係、夥伴關係不是那麼重要這他從上一屆的時候我們就有看到所以不同的政府、不同的一些政策、不同的態度那當然我們希望外交部能夠神聖以對樂觀當然是要樂觀可是我們如何去應變這整個政策的這個改變我想這是應該外交部要跟各部會去做通盤的來做討論跟合作的部分\n605552\t615746\t尤其我們的這個軟實力我們的供應力如此強如何維持維持繼續維持我們的這競爭優勢我在想這一點是外交部跟各部會應該要來審慎來處理的部分\n618397\t641296\t我同意委員,臺美關係歷經很多的階段在現在為止我想川普總統他形成的政府他的主張我們要很重視然後他現在的人事任命我們也密切關注那後續行政跟立法特別是總統跟國會的關係其實他共同形成了一些政策\n641716\t667839\t所以美國是一個多元政治一個民主國家所以我們要了解它的一個運作的機制那我想外交部尤其是我們駐美代表處我們其實在選前我們的各種的對情勢的評估我們都有納入今天這種選舉結果所以我們也在第一時間都按照我們原來的規劃在推展中所以我要講的就是說選舉今天跟政黨輪替是民主國家的常態\n669461\t680416\t他有很長的名義會增加川普未來對外交更大的一個籌碼這個是事實那他也想不佔了屈人之兵所以他現在講一句話全世界都要聽啊\n681941\t708333\t我們對岸的中國也是很注意所以我是覺得我們不要好像是限縮在台灣好像是針對台灣全世界都在看我們要沉著的應處我想說這個是有一些挑戰但是也充滿機會因為這個在變局中台灣的角色怎麼樣能夠自助人助怎麼樣能夠確保我們自己國家的安全\n708973\t709133\t謝謝委員謝謝部長\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請林部長有請林部長\n特朗普即將要重訪白宮那部長早上你有提到就是說在臺美這個強健的夥伴關係基礎上面美國跨黨派對臺灣的支持跟對臺灣的安全承諾都會延續那我也很認同那剛剛部長各自提到說我們要勇敢自信美國偉大我們會跟著偉大那可是呢特朗普畢竟不是拜登\n所以拜登對台的政策,川普不可能全面跟隨。本期在上個月有看到華府智庫布魯金斯研究所之聲研究員普瑞澤跟何瑞恩有提到,川普當選對台灣的態度會像他對其他的外交議題一樣難以預測,預期他會以交易的心態來處理台灣的議題。\n委員會提供更多利益,例如增加軍購及投資等。\n川普對台灣採取深化經濟關係加強安全合作還有提升台灣的國際地位的做法是有很大的不同那再來我要請教部長就是說像去年2023年6月美台雙方呢敲定了美台21世紀貿易倡議的第一份協議那第二份的這個協議呢我們還在談判\n會不會因為新政府的上台而產生變故?\n跟委員報告有關21世紀臺美貿易倡議第一階段的談判已經確定了年底前會宣布完成所有的程序至於第二階段也在談判中也相當有進展\n當然因為原來12個項目裡面也還有第三階段所以我們會循序漸進先確保第一階段如期通過第二階段的談判現在也是順利在進行中所以這個21世紀貿易的倡議它是一個\n：羅美玲\n有關投資美國因為因應著未來可能就是晶片法案的執行那新的可能性的發展我也密切注意那我們也會增加對美國的投資跟採購我覺得都要因應他新總統有新的名義那台美關係要好一定是要做相應的我們來加強那至於說每個總統有他的領導風格我倒不認為說這裡面會涉及難以預測\n大家都可以預測得到,因為他的Mega,他的讓美國再次偉大的主張很清楚,很具體的應該說這是一個可能的變局,但是有挑戰有機會,那到底我們結果會怎麼樣也取決於我們自己的作為,這個不是已經決定結果的\n確實我想各方都開始很重視川普的一言一行這個是我們台灣當然不可能置外其聲可是不代表說我們一定要去用以美論這種方式去談他們民主選出的新總統\n我想請教就是說我剛才有提到畢竟是兩個不同的一個政黨領導人也都不一樣不可能做法會跟我們像拜登時代是一模一樣他全面接受他的這個對台政策那我剛才提到就是說像我們在21世紀貿易的這個協議這個倡議的話本席有提到說為什麼會問這一題其實跟他過去的態度有關因為川普不是第一次當總統\n﹚羅美玲議員﹚\n在上一次他當總統的時候為什麼本席會問說那我們跟拜登政府在簽訂的這些倡議這些協定會不會因為新政府上來了然後有所改變那是因為對應回去他過去在當總統的時候對台灣的一些貿易談判的一些態度\n是我想對於就是說所謂的簽訂自由貿易協定這個當然是一個大的挑戰不過臺美關係像避免雙重瞌睡這個是互利也很重要要投資美國的配套那據說臺美21世紀貿易創意這樣的一個機制已經進行第一階段First Agreement已經通過了現在只是把最後行政權益完成我們很有信心所以你很有信心說會有所發展但是未來的還沒有\n今天早上有很多委員提到所謂的晶片法\n因為川普在10月底接受這個Podcast的節目訪問的時候他有再次的質疑這個晶片法對於這個外國公司的一些補助甚至有學者在推論就是說川普當選之後可能會推翻拜登政府呢他依這個晶片法提供給台積電比如說在亞利桑那州鳳凰鎮他有設廠嘛他有提供66億美元的這個補助部長你認為這個事情會發生嗎\n因為他會吸引他去投資嘛因為這對美國有利那我想未來是不是就是說在晶片法案未來會有新的法我們當然密切注意那另外一個就是免稅這兩個是他當時去吸引包括台積電事實上去美國投資的一個誘因那\n因為最重要是說這個成果對美國來講他已經某種程度達到投資美國所以後續怎麼去處理我在談的就是說不要把它變成一個零和的那好他如果沒有去給予這個未來更這個未來進一步的補助那當然這個供應鏈就不是那麼容易在美國嘛\n他是為他自己的利益補助的不是只是為了說台積電去補助所以這個是我覺得現在隨著就是選舉過後很多事情會沉澱下來那大家很務實的來面對找出共同的基礎我覺得台美關係我很有信心不只是理念相近我們是厲害與共\n那在這種情形之下台灣要有信心不要再像最近有人操作以美論、以賴論、以軍論一大堆以啦台灣要有自信我們要做我們自己該做要展現決心跟能力來保護我們自己\n韓國瑜委員\n外交部應該因應不同的情境來做一個政策的一些因應這是我們給予一個外交部一個提醒\n樂觀當然我們是樂觀當然我們也看到說像川普他過去對於這個安全夥伴關係也好或是盟友這種關係他其實不是那麼的在意跟拜登的這個態度是很差很多那我們可以看到就是說像我們其實有很多一些核心的一些供應鏈這個核心的一些關鍵的技術\n其實我們很多也是透過這種多邊或雙邊的合作我們站上這個世界的這個舞台甚至拜登政府甚至也有給台灣這個機會那我們剛才一開始我有提到所謂的台灣會變成一個美中這個談判的籌碼或是台灣會不會被邊緣化這是我們所擔心的這個問題\n因為當然也跟川普的對外關係有很大的這個關係因為他畢竟覺得說這盟友關係、夥伴關係不是那麼重要這他從上一屆的時候我們就有看到所以不同的政府、不同的一些政策、不同的態度那當然我們希望外交部能夠神聖以對樂觀當然是要樂觀可是我們如何去應變這整個政策的這個改變我想這是應該外交部要跟各部會去做通盤的來做討論跟合作的部分\n尤其我們的這個軟實力我們的供應力如此強如何維持維持繼續維持我們的這競爭優勢我在想這一點是外交部跟各部會應該要來審慎來處理的部分\n我同意委員,臺美關係歷經很多的階段在現在為止我想川普總統他形成的政府他的主張我們要很重視然後他現在的人事任命我們也密切關注那後續行政跟立法特別是總統跟國會的關係其實他共同形成了一些政策\n所以美國是一個多元政治一個民主國家所以我們要了解它的一個運作的機制那我想外交部尤其是我們駐美代表處我們其實在選前我們的各種的對情勢的評估我們都有納入今天這種選舉結果所以我們也在第一時間都按照我們原來的規劃在推展中所以我要講的就是說選舉今天跟政黨輪替是民主國家的常態\n他有很長的名義會增加川普未來對外交更大的一個籌碼這個是事實那他也想不佔了屈人之兵所以他現在講一句話全世界都要聽啊\n我們對岸的中國也是很注意所以我是覺得我們不要好像是限縮在台灣好像是針對台灣全世界都在看我們要沉著的應處我想說這個是有一些挑戰但是也充滿機會因為這個在變局中台灣的角色怎麼樣能夠自助人助怎麼樣能夠確保我們自己國家的安全\n謝謝委員謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.470 --> 00:02.875\n謝謝主席有請林部長有請林部長\n\n00:11.540 --> 00:37.472\n特朗普即將要重訪白宮那部長早上你有提到就是說在臺美這個強健的夥伴關係基礎上面美國跨黨派對臺灣的支持跟對臺灣的安全承諾都會延續那我也很認同那剛剛部長各自提到說我們要勇敢自信美國偉大我們會跟著偉大那可是呢特朗普畢竟不是拜登\n\n00:38.112 --> 01:04.173\n所以拜登對台的政策,川普不可能全面跟隨。本期在上個月有看到華府智庫布魯金斯研究所之聲研究員普瑞澤跟何瑞恩有提到,川普當選對台灣的態度會像他對其他的外交議題一樣難以預測,預期他會以交易的心態來處理台灣的議題。\n\n01:05.774 --> 01:06.794\n委員會提供更多利益,例如增加軍購及投資等。\n\n01:25.319 --> 01:29.280\n川普對台灣採取深化經濟關係加強安全合作還有提升台灣的國際地位的做法是有很大的不同那再來我要請教部長就是說像去年2023年6月美台雙方呢敲定了美台21世紀貿易倡議的第一份協議那第二份的這個協議呢我們還在談判\n\n01:50.886 --> 01:51.727\n會不會因為新政府的上台而產生變故?\n\n02:10.458 --> 02:26.171\n跟委員報告有關21世紀臺美貿易倡議第一階段的談判已經確定了年底前會宣布完成所有的程序至於第二階段也在談判中也相當有進展\n\n02:27.792 --> 02:43.083\n當然因為原來12個項目裡面也還有第三階段所以我們會循序漸進先確保第一階段如期通過第二階段的談判現在也是順利在進行中所以這個21世紀貿易的倡議它是一個\n\n02:49.787 --> 02:49.947\n：羅美玲\n\n03:18.656 --> 03:39.892\n有關投資美國因為因應著未來可能就是晶片法案的執行那新的可能性的發展我也密切注意那我們也會增加對美國的投資跟採購我覺得都要因應他新總統有新的名義那台美關係要好一定是要做相應的我們來加強那至於說每個總統有他的領導風格我倒不認為說這裡面會涉及難以預測\n\n03:47.617 --> 03:53.339\n大家都可以預測得到,因為他的Mega,他的讓美國再次偉大的主張很清楚,很具體的應該說這是一個可能的變局,但是有挑戰有機會,那到底我們結果會怎麼樣也取決於我們自己的作為,這個不是已經決定結果的\n\n04:14.205 --> 04:21.235\n確實我想各方都開始很重視川普的一言一行這個是我們台灣當然不可能置外其聲可是不代表說我們一定要去用以美論這種方式去談他們民主選出的新總統\n\n04:30.587 --> 04:55.929\n我想請教就是說我剛才有提到畢竟是兩個不同的一個政黨領導人也都不一樣不可能做法會跟我們像拜登時代是一模一樣他全面接受他的這個對台政策那我剛才提到就是說像我們在21世紀貿易的這個協議這個倡議的話本席有提到說為什麼會問這一題其實跟他過去的態度有關因為川普不是第一次當總統\n\n04:57.210 --> 04:57.330\n﹚羅美玲議員﹚\n\n05:19.071 --> 05:36.840\n在上一次他當總統的時候為什麼本席會問說那我們跟拜登政府在簽訂的這些倡議這些協定會不會因為新政府上來了然後有所改變那是因為對應回去他過去在當總統的時候對台灣的一些貿易談判的一些態度\n\n05:38.075 --> 06:05.701\n是我想對於就是說所謂的簽訂自由貿易協定這個當然是一個大的挑戰不過臺美關係像避免雙重瞌睡這個是互利也很重要要投資美國的配套那據說臺美21世紀貿易創意這樣的一個機制已經進行第一階段FirstAgreement已經通過了現在只是把最後行政權益完成我們很有信心所以你很有信心說會有所發展但是未來的還沒有\n\n06:07.501 --> 06:09.962\n今天早上有很多委員提到所謂的晶片法\n\n06:25.606 --> 06:48.745\n因為川普在10月底接受這個Podcast的節目訪問的時候他有再次的質疑這個晶片法對於這個外國公司的一些補助甚至有學者在推論就是說川普當選之後可能會推翻拜登政府呢他依這個晶片法提供給台積電比如說在亞利桑那州鳳凰鎮他有設廠嘛他有提供66億美元的這個補助部長你認為這個事情會發生嗎\n\n06:53.789 --> 07:12.876\n因為他會吸引他去投資嘛因為這對美國有利那我想未來是不是就是說在晶片法案未來會有新的法我們當然密切注意那另外一個就是免稅這兩個是他當時去吸引包括台積電事實上去美國投資的一個誘因那\n\n07:14.497 --> 07:37.717\n因為最重要是說這個成果對美國來講他已經某種程度達到投資美國所以後續怎麼去處理我在談的就是說不要把它變成一個零和的那好他如果沒有去給予這個未來更這個未來進一步的補助那當然這個供應鏈就不是那麼容易在美國嘛\n\n07:38.697 --> 08:04.159\n他是為他自己的利益補助的不是只是為了說台積電去補助所以這個是我覺得現在隨著就是選舉過後很多事情會沉澱下來那大家很務實的來面對找出共同的基礎我覺得台美關係我很有信心不只是理念相近我們是厲害與共\n\n08:05.080 --> 08:19.638\n那在這種情形之下台灣要有信心不要再像最近有人操作以美論、以賴論、以軍論一大堆以啦台灣要有自信我們要做我們自己該做要展現決心跟能力來保護我們自己\n\n08:20.239 --> 08:20.279\n韓國瑜委員\n\n08:35.771 --> 08:37.673\n外交部應該因應不同的情境來做一個政策的一些因應這是我們給予一個外交部一個提醒\n\n08:55.914 --> 09:14.208\n樂觀當然我們是樂觀當然我們也看到說像川普他過去對於這個安全夥伴關係也好或是盟友這種關係他其實不是那麼的在意跟拜登的這個態度是很差很多那我們可以看到就是說像我們其實有很多一些核心的一些供應鏈這個核心的一些關鍵的技術\n\n09:18.672 --> 09:26.839\n其實我們很多也是透過這種多邊或雙邊的合作我們站上這個世界的這個舞台甚至拜登政府甚至也有給台灣這個機會那我們剛才一開始我有提到所謂的台灣會變成一個美中這個談判的籌碼或是台灣會不會被邊緣化這是我們所擔心的這個問題\n\n09:37.447 --> 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