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00:00:24,904\n謝謝主席我今天會請教教育部、國界署、數發部、體育署、矯正署教育部、衛福部、數發部、財政署\n\n2\n00:00:40,110 --> 00:00:41,111\n衛福部、教育部、速發部\n\n3\n00:00:56,210 --> 00:01:09,656\n委員好謝謝部長我們也很感謝昭緯設定今天這樣一個題目把它排進議程讓我們對於提供學校良好的環境這個是我們學習的一個基礎這件事情我們要鍥而不捨的來做一個處理\n\n4\n00:01:13,477 --> 00:01:38,269\n這個部分其實是我對於永續性的這個發展很重視的所以在一開始就是這個電子煙進入校園今天在前面幾位委員就各個層面也都跟大家做一些請教跟建議那我這邊提到的是當然這個電子煙其實一般人也感受不到在校園裡面最直接像教安人員、學務主任、輔導主任都可以在很短的時間內知道尤其是在偏鄉也是\n\n5\n00:01:39,709 --> 00:01:55,902\n非都會的學校現在已經都蠻嚴重的但是我們從那個國建署110年青少年吸菸的行為調查顯示目前使用率已經上升到3.9%很高那高中值,國中是3.9%那高中值是8.8%\n\n6\n00:01:58,044 --> 00:02:22,297\n早上有很多人都提到那已經將近七八萬名甚至已經快到九萬的這個青少年使用電子煙所以這個問題很嚴重但是呢我們就算罰還的部分很高一萬元但是這個三部政策我想請教一下部長不嘗試、不購買、不推薦那在你們那個宣導跟施行防制後整個電子煙的使用率是不是有降低\n\n7\n00:02:24,401 --> 00:02:39,112\n我們從學校的一個通報裡邊它事實上有微乎的增加但是相當大概就是有微乎的增加所以你們還要再努力接下來在世衛組織WHO提出來的104個戒煙的理由當中指出當然我們都知道煙對其他人有影響但是電子煙對於孩子腦部的影響也非常的大對一般人應該有一個常態性的影響\n\n8\n00:02:53,143 --> 00:03:16,848\n所以,凝固煙的成癮風險非常高,大概有九成研究指出,電子煙不比吸食煙的族群肺部疾病來得少發生率好像有高出4.36倍電子煙是很重要的一個影響身體健康的原因所以在這個整個校園危害防制的實施計畫\n\n9\n00:03:18,348 --> 00:03:19,089\n世界衛生組織也好,國際實證對於青少年使用臨床藥物戒菸這件事還沒有實證\n\n10\n00:03:40,808 --> 00:03:49,530\n所以大部分的研究都是指出要透過戒菸輔導、心理諮商跟戒菸教育來協助他離開菸品所以我們除了跟我們的戒菸專線裡面來跟更多的合作用結構式的方式來協助如果尋求戒菸服務的小朋友們\n\n11\n00:04:04,594 --> 00:04:04,634\n主席\n\n12\n00:04:27,438 --> 00:04:41,829\n好的謝謝您這邊的回應所以這樣聽起來我們在實證還沒有確定之前也有一些沒有依循的困難對不對但是已經雖然沒有藥物的部分但是衛教或者心理輔導的部分我們是持續在做\n\n13\n00:04:42,861 --> 00:05:07,775\n好的謝謝您這邊的回應所以這其實也點出我待會要講的一個問題那接下來就是在這個國建署和您辦理的這個吸煙調查裡面您其實剛才有講到那個壓力的疏解就心理的這個部分是很大的一個原因這個部分其實也點出教育部我們在這個心理輔導老師的不足這個其實這個議題在我們委員會裡面也一直提到第一個是\n\n14\n00:05:08,696 --> 00:05:36,398\n新府教師的不足還有輔導相關專業的人數的不足其次是就是這個專業要對應的人太多的比例太高了一要比一千二如果我們這個調查室這邊資訊顯示是比較公允的話那真的是負擔太大那不管是醫療院所或者是學校我覺得對於這樣子的負擔可能都必須要再做一個處理所以這件事情的很重要一個根本就是大家\n\n15\n00:05:37,099 --> 00:06:00,661\n很多的比例是為了紓解壓力紓解壓力的情況下這個其實教育部門要去檢討一下整體的政策為什麼大家的好心都讓整個社會包括老師包括學生壓力都很大其次的解決就是需要有人來幫助結果心服老師或者是輔導相關的專業也不夠所以在這邊我提出幾個數據你們思考一下\n\n16\n00:06:02,343 --> 00:06:11,167\n42%的學生沒有心腹還有這個議題的這個相關宣導活動就你今天講的這個電子煙的議題然後再來35.7%曾經在輔導課上談過相關的議題那27.7%的學生有聽過專人的演講再來不到20%只有19.1%的學生有導師在班上宣傳所以這個數據也提供你們一個參考\n\n17\n00:06:26,476 --> 00:06:26,536\n林倩綺議員\n\n18\n00:06:56,896 --> 00:06:59,558\n教育部或衛福部有要針對這個部分做一些回應嗎?我想確實這一個看起來我們這一個老師因為社會在進步科技快速的在精進我們老師其實許多的教學包括我們臺灣的教育普及\n\n19\n00:07:18,473 --> 00:07:19,714\n對老師的教學品質,確實他會有一個更高的一些、更多的期待。\n\n20\n00:07:40,103 --> 00:08:02,291\n所以本席這邊點出來了壓力是這整件事情的來源然後其次是紓解壓力的人或處理壓力的人也不夠這個是教育部還有體建署也是相關的單位沒有關係這個部分請你們好好的研議好不好要不然我們會一天到晚一直在處理這些問題所以系統性的問題請你們注意好嗎\n\n21\n00:08:06,152 --> 00:08:08,534\n網路時代我們國人平均使用網路的時間是7.14小時那高於全球的6.37小時那這個跟今天有關的是\n\n22\n00:08:29,252 --> 00:08:36,796\n五成二接受調查的孩童跟青少年比較喜歡透過螢幕來閱讀三成二喜歡用傳統的紙本來閱讀這就代表目前我們是沒有辦法逃離這樣一個狀況所以跟今天有關的就是在你們怎麼去處理這個嚴格把關的議題除了網路監測平台以外那是不是還有更積極的配套措施\n\n23\n00:08:56,684 --> 00:09:13,862\n報告委員有關於教育部的自動安全部分應該會在部裡頭再處理所以我想我們一定會跟教育部一起同理合作把學生的自動安全的部分能夠處理到希望能夠更進步以上那還是希望你們抓出重點來處理解決系統性的問題\n\n24\n00:09:15,143 --> 00:09:40,498\n那接下來是校園暴力我很快的講一下2023年其實整年度高中值的暴力事件已經26442件那高於2022年的1萬件那平均每天有71件暴力那事實上目前在政策預防層面其實好像很少這個系統性的政策與指引那分析處理好像也不太完整所以我在提醒面對暴力事件去年的12月25號的校園暴力那應該\n\n25\n00:09:43,941 --> 00:09:57,533\n其實這個問題的終結就是你們不應該全數讓老師去對應這整個暴力事件的這個它成為這裡面最重要的一個第一現場所以很多因素是不利於老師的那我不知道你們這個部分\n\n26\n00:09:59,574 --> 00:10:25,368\n我沒太多時間讓你們回答但是我講一個啦就是說偏差行為的少年離開了少年關護所或矯正學校請問誰要來承接那處罰的少年離開關護所一到三月那很多處罰的少年認為關進去也沒關係啊那請問對於那個遵守規則的學生怎麼去處理呢他們怎麼去因應呢這就好像有人有問題嘛反正他有問題沒有問題\n\n27\n00:10:26,949 --> 00:10:46,999\n所以我是不是可以製造問題?會變成這種心態啊?部長跟委員報告有一些這個暴力這個違反法令規範的我們事實上是各縣市都現在有建立了一個過渡性的一個教育機構也就是說有一些相關的一些課程在做介入的\n\n28\n00:10:47,159 --> 00:10:48,381\n教育部的防制方向和政策方向要做很大的檢討和翻轉\n\n29\n00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:06,943\n體育署本賢想請教在電子煙的防治你們有什麼作為我不知道你會不會覺得很遠但是應該很多像研究都顯示出透過運動可以保持身體健康也能夠讓心理健康\n\n30\n00:11:20,199 --> 00:11:48,468\n那當然這有一些生理性的直接影響是有被調查出來的所以本席剛才講到紓解壓力其實體育署這個部分可以再跟積極的作為在電子煙這個部分也好校園暴力也好那你們怎麼樣有積極的具體的作為讓全民運動也某種程度的來負擔跟解除這樣子的一個問題體育署嗯報告委員您剛剛已經把答案講出來了其實這個就是我們現在在努力規劃的方向\n\n31\n00:11:48,988 --> 00:12:12,785\n是是是,但是不要只跟本席說那個運動部要成立了齁然後那個就能夠解決一些問題成立了之後呢你們的責任越大如果這些問題在過程當中都沒有好好討論跟實際的作為去檢視相關的問題那個問題還是會層出不窮而且可能還更大好最後就本席做一個進度請問那個金融國家羽球中心齁人家奧運得完了之後呢接下來你們的後續\n\n32\n00:12:14,394 --> 00:12:15,355\n謝謝署長,我們也樂見全民運動也能幫我們今天討論的議題來解決部分的問題。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12379\t24904\t謝謝主席我今天會請教教育部、國界署、數發部、體育署、矯正署教育部、衛福部、數發部、財政署\n40110\t41111\t衛福部、教育部、速發部\n56210\t69656\t委員好謝謝部長我們也很感謝昭緯設定今天這樣一個題目把它排進議程讓我們對於提供學校良好的環境這個是我們學習的一個基礎這件事情我們要鍥而不捨的來做一個處理\n73477\t98269\t這個部分其實是我對於永續性的這個發展很重視的所以在一開始就是這個電子煙進入校園今天在前面幾位委員就各個層面也都跟大家做一些請教跟建議那我這邊提到的是當然這個電子煙其實一般人也感受不到在校園裡面最直接像教安人員、學務主任、輔導主任都可以在很短的時間內知道尤其是在偏鄉也是\n99709\t115902\t非都會的學校現在已經都蠻嚴重的但是我們從那個國建署110年青少年吸菸的行為調查顯示目前使用率已經上升到3.9%很高那高中值,國中是3.9%那高中值是8.8%\n118044\t142297\t早上有很多人都提到那已經將近七八萬名甚至已經快到九萬的這個青少年使用電子煙所以這個問題很嚴重但是呢我們就算罰還的部分很高一萬元但是這個三部政策我想請教一下部長不嘗試、不購買、不推薦那在你們那個宣導跟施行防制後整個電子煙的使用率是不是有降低\n144401\t159112\t我們從學校的一個通報裡邊它事實上有微乎的增加但是相當大概就是有微乎的增加所以你們還要再努力接下來在世衛組織WHO提出來的104個戒煙的理由當中指出當然我們都知道煙對其他人有影響但是電子煙對於孩子腦部的影響也非常的大對一般人應該有一個常態性的影響\n173143\t196848\t所以,凝固煙的成癮風險非常高,大概有九成研究指出,電子煙不比吸食煙的族群肺部疾病來得少發生率好像有高出4.36倍電子煙是很重要的一個影響身體健康的原因所以在這個整個校園危害防制的實施計畫\n198348\t199089\t世界衛生組織也好,國際實證對於青少年使用臨床藥物戒菸這件事還沒有實證\n220808\t229530\t所以大部分的研究都是指出要透過戒菸輔導、心理諮商跟戒菸教育來協助他離開菸品所以我們除了跟我們的戒菸專線裡面來跟更多的合作用結構式的方式來協助如果尋求戒菸服務的小朋友們\n244594\t244634\t主席\n267438\t281829\t好的謝謝您這邊的回應所以這樣聽起來我們在實證還沒有確定之前也有一些沒有依循的困難對不對但是已經雖然沒有藥物的部分但是衛教或者心理輔導的部分我們是持續在做\n282861\t307775\t好的謝謝您這邊的回應所以這其實也點出我待會要講的一個問題那接下來就是在這個國建署和您辦理的這個吸煙調查裡面您其實剛才有講到那個壓力的疏解就心理的這個部分是很大的一個原因這個部分其實也點出教育部我們在這個心理輔導老師的不足這個其實這個議題在我們委員會裡面也一直提到第一個是\n308696\t336398\t新府教師的不足還有輔導相關專業的人數的不足其次是就是這個專業要對應的人太多的比例太高了一要比一千二如果我們這個調查室這邊資訊顯示是比較公允的話那真的是負擔太大那不管是醫療院所或者是學校我覺得對於這樣子的負擔可能都必須要再做一個處理所以這件事情的很重要一個根本就是大家\n337099\t360661\t很多的比例是為了紓解壓力紓解壓力的情況下這個其實教育部門要去檢討一下整體的政策為什麼大家的好心都讓整個社會包括老師包括學生壓力都很大其次的解決就是需要有人來幫助結果心服老師或者是輔導相關的專業也不夠所以在這邊我提出幾個數據你們思考一下\n362343\t371167\t42%的學生沒有心腹還有這個議題的這個相關宣導活動就你今天講的這個電子煙的議題然後再來35.7%曾經在輔導課上談過相關的議題那27.7%的學生有聽過專人的演講再來不到20%只有19.1%的學生有導師在班上宣傳所以這個數據也提供你們一個參考\n386476\t386536\t林倩綺議員\n416896\t419558\t教育部或衛福部有要針對這個部分做一些回應嗎?我想確實這一個看起來我們這一個老師因為社會在進步科技快速的在精進我們老師其實許多的教學包括我們臺灣的教育普及\n438473\t439714\t對老師的教學品質,確實他會有一個更高的一些、更多的期待。\n460103\t482291\t所以本席這邊點出來了壓力是這整件事情的來源然後其次是紓解壓力的人或處理壓力的人也不夠這個是教育部還有體建署也是相關的單位沒有關係 這個部分請你們好好的研議好不好要不然我們會一天到晚一直在處理這些問題所以系統性的問題請你們注意好嗎\n486152\t488534\t網路時代我們國人平均使用網路的時間是7.14小時那高於全球的6.37小時那這個跟今天有關的是\n509252\t516796\t五成二接受調查的孩童跟青少年比較喜歡透過螢幕來閱讀三成二喜歡用傳統的紙本來閱讀這就代表目前我們是沒有辦法逃離這樣一個狀況所以跟今天有關的就是在你們怎麼去處理這個嚴格把關的議題除了網路監測平台以外那是不是還有更積極的配套措施\n536684\t553862\t報告委員有關於教育部的自動安全部分應該會在部裡頭再處理所以我想我們一定會跟教育部一起同理合作把學生的自動安全的部分能夠處理到希望能夠更進步以上那還是希望你們抓出重點來處理解決系統性的問題\n555143\t580498\t那接下來是校園暴力我很快的講一下2023年其實整年度高中值的暴力事件已經26442件那高於2022年的1萬件那平均每天有71件暴力那事實上目前在政策預防層面其實好像很少這個系統性的政策與指引那分析處理好像也不太完整所以我在提醒面對暴力事件去年的12月25號的校園暴力那應該\n583941\t597533\t其實這個問題的終結就是你們不應該全數讓老師去對應這整個暴力事件的這個它成為這裡面最重要的一個第一現場所以很多因素是不利於老師的那我不知道你們這個部分\n599574\t625368\t我沒太多時間讓你們回答但是我講一個啦就是說偏差行為的少年離開了少年關護所或矯正學校請問誰要來承接那處罰的少年離開關護所一到三月那很多處罰的少年認為關進去也沒關係啊那請問對於那個遵守規則的學生怎麼去處理呢他們怎麼去因應呢這就好像 有人有問題嘛反正他有問題沒有問題\n626949\t646999\t所以我是不是可以製造問題?會變成這種心態啊?部長跟委員報告有一些這個暴力這個違反法令規範的我們事實上是各縣市都現在有建立了一個過渡性的一個教育機構也就是說有一些相關的一些課程在做介入的\n647159\t648381\t教育部的防制方向和政策方向要做很大的檢討和翻轉\n663399\t666943\t體育署本賢想請教在電子煙的防治你們有什麼作為我不知道你會不會覺得很遠但是應該很多像研究都顯示出透過運動可以保持身體健康也能夠讓心理健康\n680199\t708468\t那當然這有一些生理性的直接影響是有被調查出來的所以本席剛才講到紓解壓力其實體育署這個部分可以再跟積極的作為在電子煙這個部分也好校園暴力也好那你們怎麼樣有積極的具體的作為讓全民運動也某種程度的來負擔跟解除這樣子的一個問題體育署 嗯報告委員您剛剛已經把答案講出來了其實這個就是我們現在在努力規劃的方向\n708988\t732785\t是是是,但是不要只跟本席說那個運動部要成立了齁然後那個就能夠解決一些問題成立了之後呢你們的責任越大如果這些問題在過程當中都沒有好好討論跟實際的作為去檢視相關的問題那個問題還是會層出不窮而且可能還更大好最後就本席做一個進度請問那個金融國家羽球中心齁人家奧運得完了之後呢接下來你們的後續\n734394\t735355\t謝謝署長,我們也樂見全民運動也能幫我們今天討論的議題來解決部分的問題。\n","txt":"謝謝主席我今天會請教教育部、國界署、數發部、體育署、矯正署教育部、衛福部、數發部、財政署\n衛福部、教育部、速發部\n委員好謝謝部長我們也很感謝昭緯設定今天這樣一個題目把它排進議程讓我們對於提供學校良好的環境這個是我們學習的一個基礎這件事情我們要鍥而不捨的來做一個處理\n這個部分其實是我對於永續性的這個發展很重視的所以在一開始就是這個電子煙進入校園今天在前面幾位委員就各個層面也都跟大家做一些請教跟建議那我這邊提到的是當然這個電子煙其實一般人也感受不到在校園裡面最直接像教安人員、學務主任、輔導主任都可以在很短的時間內知道尤其是在偏鄉也是\n非都會的學校現在已經都蠻嚴重的但是我們從那個國建署110年青少年吸菸的行為調查顯示目前使用率已經上升到3.9%很高那高中值,國中是3.9%那高中值是8.8%\n早上有很多人都提到那已經將近七八萬名甚至已經快到九萬的這個青少年使用電子煙所以這個問題很嚴重但是呢我們就算罰還的部分很高一萬元但是這個三部政策我想請教一下部長不嘗試、不購買、不推薦那在你們那個宣導跟施行防制後整個電子煙的使用率是不是有降低\n我們從學校的一個通報裡邊它事實上有微乎的增加但是相當大概就是有微乎的增加所以你們還要再努力接下來在世衛組織WHO提出來的104個戒煙的理由當中指出當然我們都知道煙對其他人有影響但是電子煙對於孩子腦部的影響也非常的大對一般人應該有一個常態性的影響\n所以,凝固煙的成癮風險非常高,大概有九成研究指出,電子煙不比吸食煙的族群肺部疾病來得少發生率好像有高出4.36倍電子煙是很重要的一個影響身體健康的原因所以在這個整個校園危害防制的實施計畫\n世界衛生組織也好,國際實證對於青少年使用臨床藥物戒菸這件事還沒有實證\n所以大部分的研究都是指出要透過戒菸輔導、心理諮商跟戒菸教育來協助他離開菸品所以我們除了跟我們的戒菸專線裡面來跟更多的合作用結構式的方式來協助如果尋求戒菸服務的小朋友們\n主席\n好的謝謝您這邊的回應所以這樣聽起來我們在實證還沒有確定之前也有一些沒有依循的困難對不對但是已經雖然沒有藥物的部分但是衛教或者心理輔導的部分我們是持續在做\n好的謝謝您這邊的回應所以這其實也點出我待會要講的一個問題那接下來就是在這個國建署和您辦理的這個吸煙調查裡面您其實剛才有講到那個壓力的疏解就心理的這個部分是很大的一個原因這個部分其實也點出教育部我們在這個心理輔導老師的不足這個其實這個議題在我們委員會裡面也一直提到第一個是\n新府教師的不足還有輔導相關專業的人數的不足其次是就是這個專業要對應的人太多的比例太高了一要比一千二如果我們這個調查室這邊資訊顯示是比較公允的話那真的是負擔太大那不管是醫療院所或者是學校我覺得對於這樣子的負擔可能都必須要再做一個處理所以這件事情的很重要一個根本就是大家\n很多的比例是為了紓解壓力紓解壓力的情況下這個其實教育部門要去檢討一下整體的政策為什麼大家的好心都讓整個社會包括老師包括學生壓力都很大其次的解決就是需要有人來幫助結果心服老師或者是輔導相關的專業也不夠所以在這邊我提出幾個數據你們思考一下\n42%的學生沒有心腹還有這個議題的這個相關宣導活動就你今天講的這個電子煙的議題然後再來35.7%曾經在輔導課上談過相關的議題那27.7%的學生有聽過專人的演講再來不到20%只有19.1%的學生有導師在班上宣傳所以這個數據也提供你們一個參考\n林倩綺議員\n教育部或衛福部有要針對這個部分做一些回應嗎?我想確實這一個看起來我們這一個老師因為社會在進步科技快速的在精進我們老師其實許多的教學包括我們臺灣的教育普及\n對老師的教學品質,確實他會有一個更高的一些、更多的期待。\n所以本席這邊點出來了壓力是這整件事情的來源然後其次是紓解壓力的人或處理壓力的人也不夠這個是教育部還有體建署也是相關的單位沒有關係 這個部分請你們好好的研議好不好要不然我們會一天到晚一直在處理這些問題所以系統性的問題請你們注意好嗎\n網路時代我們國人平均使用網路的時間是7.14小時那高於全球的6.37小時那這個跟今天有關的是\n五成二接受調查的孩童跟青少年比較喜歡透過螢幕來閱讀三成二喜歡用傳統的紙本來閱讀這就代表目前我們是沒有辦法逃離這樣一個狀況所以跟今天有關的就是在你們怎麼去處理這個嚴格把關的議題除了網路監測平台以外那是不是還有更積極的配套措施\n報告委員有關於教育部的自動安全部分應該會在部裡頭再處理所以我想我們一定會跟教育部一起同理合作把學生的自動安全的部分能夠處理到希望能夠更進步以上那還是希望你們抓出重點來處理解決系統性的問題\n那接下來是校園暴力我很快的講一下2023年其實整年度高中值的暴力事件已經26442件那高於2022年的1萬件那平均每天有71件暴力那事實上目前在政策預防層面其實好像很少這個系統性的政策與指引那分析處理好像也不太完整所以我在提醒面對暴力事件去年的12月25號的校園暴力那應該\n其實這個問題的終結就是你們不應該全數讓老師去對應這整個暴力事件的這個它成為這裡面最重要的一個第一現場所以很多因素是不利於老師的那我不知道你們這個部分\n我沒太多時間讓你們回答但是我講一個啦就是說偏差行為的少年離開了少年關護所或矯正學校請問誰要來承接那處罰的少年離開關護所一到三月那很多處罰的少年認為關進去也沒關係啊那請問對於那個遵守規則的學生怎麼去處理呢他們怎麼去因應呢這就好像 有人有問題嘛反正他有問題沒有問題\n所以我是不是可以製造問題?會變成這種心態啊?部長跟委員報告有一些這個暴力這個違反法令規範的我們事實上是各縣市都現在有建立了一個過渡性的一個教育機構也就是說有一些相關的一些課程在做介入的\n教育部的防制方向和政策方向要做很大的檢討和翻轉\n體育署本賢想請教在電子煙的防治你們有什麼作為我不知道你會不會覺得很遠但是應該很多像研究都顯示出透過運動可以保持身體健康也能夠讓心理健康\n那當然這有一些生理性的直接影響是有被調查出來的所以本席剛才講到紓解壓力其實體育署這個部分可以再跟積極的作為在電子煙這個部分也好校園暴力也好那你們怎麼樣有積極的具體的作為讓全民運動也某種程度的來負擔跟解除這樣子的一個問題體育署 嗯報告委員您剛剛已經把答案講出來了其實這個就是我們現在在努力規劃的方向\n是是是,但是不要只跟本席說那個運動部要成立了齁然後那個就能夠解決一些問題成立了之後呢你們的責任越大如果這些問題在過程當中都沒有好好討論跟實際的作為去檢視相關的問題那個問題還是會層出不窮而且可能還更大好最後就本席做一個進度請問那個金融國家羽球中心齁人家奧運得完了之後呢接下來你們的後續\n謝謝署長,我們也樂見全民運動也能幫我們今天討論的議題來解決部分的問題。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.379 --> 00:24.904\n謝謝主席我今天會請教教育部、國界署、數發部、體育署、矯正署教育部、衛福部、數發部、財政署\n\n00:40.110 --> 00:41.111\n衛福部、教育部、速發部\n\n00:56.210 --> 01:09.656\n委員好謝謝部長我們也很感謝昭緯設定今天這樣一個題目把它排進議程讓我們對於提供學校良好的環境這個是我們學習的一個基礎這件事情我們要鍥而不捨的來做一個處理\n\n01:13.477 --> 01:38.269\n這個部分其實是我對於永續性的這個發展很重視的所以在一開始就是這個電子煙進入校園今天在前面幾位委員就各個層面也都跟大家做一些請教跟建議那我這邊提到的是當然這個電子煙其實一般人也感受不到在校園裡面最直接像教安人員、學務主任、輔導主任都可以在很短的時間內知道尤其是在偏鄉也是\n\n01:39.709 --> 01:55.902\n非都會的學校現在已經都蠻嚴重的但是我們從那個國建署110年青少年吸菸的行為調查顯示目前使用率已經上升到3.9%很高那高中值,國中是3.9%那高中值是8.8%\n\n01:58.044 --> 02:22.297\n早上有很多人都提到那已經將近七八萬名甚至已經快到九萬的這個青少年使用電子煙所以這個問題很嚴重但是呢我們就算罰還的部分很高一萬元但是這個三部政策我想請教一下部長不嘗試、不購買、不推薦那在你們那個宣導跟施行防制後整個電子煙的使用率是不是有降低\n\n02:24.401 --> 02:39.112\n我們從學校的一個通報裡邊它事實上有微乎的增加但是相當大概就是有微乎的增加所以你們還要再努力接下來在世衛組織WHO提出來的104個戒煙的理由當中指出當然我們都知道煙對其他人有影響但是電子煙對於孩子腦部的影響也非常的大對一般人應該有一個常態性的影響\n\n02:53.143 --> 03:16.848\n所以,凝固煙的成癮風險非常高,大概有九成研究指出,電子煙不比吸食煙的族群肺部疾病來得少發生率好像有高出4.36倍電子煙是很重要的一個影響身體健康的原因所以在這個整個校園危害防制的實施計畫\n\n03:18.348 --> 03:19.089\n世界衛生組織也好,國際實證對於青少年使用臨床藥物戒菸這件事還沒有實證\n\n03:40.808 --> 03:49.530\n所以大部分的研究都是指出要透過戒菸輔導、心理諮商跟戒菸教育來協助他離開菸品所以我們除了跟我們的戒菸專線裡面來跟更多的合作用結構式的方式來協助如果尋求戒菸服務的小朋友們\n\n04:04.594 --> 04:04.634\n主席\n\n04:27.438 --> 04:41.829\n好的謝謝您這邊的回應所以這樣聽起來我們在實證還沒有確定之前也有一些沒有依循的困難對不對但是已經雖然沒有藥物的部分但是衛教或者心理輔導的部分我們是持續在做\n\n04:42.861 --> 05:07.775\n好的謝謝您這邊的回應所以這其實也點出我待會要講的一個問題那接下來就是在這個國建署和您辦理的這個吸煙調查裡面您其實剛才有講到那個壓力的疏解就心理的這個部分是很大的一個原因這個部分其實也點出教育部我們在這個心理輔導老師的不足這個其實這個議題在我們委員會裡面也一直提到第一個是\n\n05:08.696 --> 05:36.398\n新府教師的不足還有輔導相關專業的人數的不足其次是就是這個專業要對應的人太多的比例太高了一要比一千二如果我們這個調查室這邊資訊顯示是比較公允的話那真的是負擔太大那不管是醫療院所或者是學校我覺得對於這樣子的負擔可能都必須要再做一個處理所以這件事情的很重要一個根本就是大家\n\n05:37.099 --> 06:00.661\n很多的比例是為了紓解壓力紓解壓力的情況下這個其實教育部門要去檢討一下整體的政策為什麼大家的好心都讓整個社會包括老師包括學生壓力都很大其次的解決就是需要有人來幫助結果心服老師或者是輔導相關的專業也不夠所以在這邊我提出幾個數據你們思考一下\n\n06:02.343 --> 06:11.167\n42%的學生沒有心腹還有這個議題的這個相關宣導活動就你今天講的這個電子煙的議題然後再來35.7%曾經在輔導課上談過相關的議題那27.7%的學生有聽過專人的演講再來不到20%只有19.1%的學生有導師在班上宣傳所以這個數據也提供你們一個參考\n\n06:26.476 --> 06:26.536\n林倩綺議員\n\n06:56.896 --> 06:59.558\n教育部或衛福部有要針對這個部分做一些回應嗎?我想確實這一個看起來我們這一個老師因為社會在進步科技快速的在精進我們老師其實許多的教學包括我們臺灣的教育普及\n\n07:18.473 --> 07:19.714\n對老師的教學品質,確實他會有一個更高的一些、更多的期待。\n\n07:40.103 --> 08:02.291\n所以本席這邊點出來了壓力是這整件事情的來源然後其次是紓解壓力的人或處理壓力的人也不夠這個是教育部還有體建署也是相關的單位沒有關係這個部分請你們好好的研議好不好要不然我們會一天到晚一直在處理這些問題所以系統性的問題請你們注意好嗎\n\n08:06.152 --> 08:08.534\n網路時代我們國人平均使用網路的時間是7.14小時那高於全球的6.37小時那這個跟今天有關的是\n\n08:29.252 --> 08:36.796\n五成二接受調查的孩童跟青少年比較喜歡透過螢幕來閱讀三成二喜歡用傳統的紙本來閱讀這就代表目前我們是沒有辦法逃離這樣一個狀況所以跟今天有關的就是在你們怎麼去處理這個嚴格把關的議題除了網路監測平台以外那是不是還有更積極的配套措施\n\n08:56.684 --> 09:13.862\n報告委員有關於教育部的自動安全部分應該會在部裡頭再處理所以我想我們一定會跟教育部一起同理合作把學生的自動安全的部分能夠處理到希望能夠更進步以上那還是希望你們抓出重點來處理解決系統性的問題\n\n09:15.143 --> 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