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00:01:44,661\n跟委員報告這喬裝測試是我們從104年開始就跟消基會積極合作那從去年新法實施之後呢我們在喬裝測試裡面含電子煙跟所有的煙瓶都放成喬裝測試的部分但是因為市面上買不到電子煙所以未來就待會討論先講紫煙的部分對紫煙的部分就是用喬裝測試看到的結果就是這樣子那怎麼辦呢\n\n6\n00:01:47,938 --> 00:01:54,542\n其實如果在校園等於這三年來應該說我們講我們列出來我先不管104年啦我先講這近三年110、110、110這三年來等於這個三成的比例是沒有動的所以你的稽查稽查完做什麼事情跟委員報告這分校內校外校內我們的喬裝測試是瞭解它整個淹害的環境那根據我們也是這個調查報告就是2.4%的校園它是OK的\n\n7\n00:02:14,753 --> 00:02:43,408\n但是確實有17個校園就是我們最近兩波次的這個調查是需要改善的另外一個是在校園之外的店家泛煙的部分這我們也是積極查緝的一個重點來這樣喔因為校內當然是校規來處理這是教育部的事情但是校外我想很多問題都在校外啦我覺得老師教官都已經夠辛苦了你說這個他們的權利也有限那你要叫他們不能抽煙或是怎麼樣去抓一定的困難那我就想說在法律上面來講\n\n8\n00:02:43,988 --> 00:03:05,050\n除了稽查之外既然看到這個稽查的成果每年的成果數字沒有變動的情況下表示不管目前學校內或學校外做的工作是有限的嘛沒有什麼成效啊所以希望說是在法律上面第一個通路上面如果他繼續販賣未成年人我們在懲處上面禁止他販賣這機會有沒有可行性啊\n\n9\n00:03:05,630 --> 00:03:08,692\n通路上是不能販賣紫煙的是確定是不能販賣的所以他一定是在您提的這個PPT上面的這些商店來做實體販賣所以呢我們怎麼樣防範他放煙給未滿20歲的話這是我們查詢的重點\n\n10\n00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:34,568\n好謝謝那接下來再來談到這個電子煙的問題這個依據你們今天的報告有沒有去目前今年目前為止52萬件電子煙查緝只有開罰1370件成案率只有0.26%我要問一下你們查緝52萬件這個查緝的作為你們怎麼查緝去哪裡查緝查出52萬件\n\n11\n00:03:45,274 --> 00:04:05,165\n其實其中的47萬是實體查查實體查查就是我們的縣市在聯合計查的時候會進到所有的商家來了解那3萬5千多件是網路查查這個剛好部長也了解一下這個國建署這邊也要了解一下既然這個電子煙目前最大的通路其實就不是實體通路\n\n12\n00:04:05,865 --> 00:04:22,541\n所以你們花了47萬件如果在實體通路上我想這個稽查我不能說無效但是我覺得方向有點錯誤最實際的做法應該是後面那位數位部剛剛所有委員都提到了目前我們在網路上面能夠買到這個電子煙我想前面很多委員也提到這件事情\n\n13\n00:04:22,941 --> 00:04:35,523\n包含昨天最新的這個新聞說你們針對高中生裁罰20萬那這實體的問題就是通路嘛剛委員提到啦那你們對於通路這種電子通路你們要怎麼去禁網你們要禁網嗎你們可以去禁嗎\n\n14\n00:04:36,811 --> 00:04:53,990\n報告委員謝謝委員的追詢那網路上的事情大概基本上就回到實體世界那有關ENK的部分大概是國建署的這個權責那我們現在協助大概有幾個地方第一個就是網路平台的限制瀏覽或移除這部分的話會建綠色通道\n\n15\n00:04:55,411 --> 00:05:14,538\n來沒關係因為我時間到了我要先講之前這個創意司法的時候不管是數位部也好衛福部也好大家也是推來推去說因為法源怎麼樣怎麼樣所以不能進但是輿論關心之後馬上就能夠進了那今天我想問一下我們衛福部啊我也問一下教育部電子煙是合法還是非法的\n\n16\n00:05:16,016 --> 00:05:44,315\n電子煙是非法他是非法的嘛既然他是非法的我想數位部你就應該可以直接把它禁掉啊不用等什麼公文不用等什麼執行啊報告委員那個基本上現在所有中華民國法律有談到所謂的停止解析的部分包含兒少性侵防治條例家暴防治法性侵害防治法還有所謂的現在最剛過的打詐犯罪不管我說那這個是以電子煙為例你們能不能直接去禁嘛所以衛福部不管禁外禁內\n\n17\n00:05:45,296 --> 00:05:45,657\n黃健豪主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6291\t20353\t好 謝謝主席我們先請教育部部長鄭部長那我們另外請這個衛福部的代表來另外請速發部的這個司長好 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