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00:00:17,036\n有請部長有請鄭部長部長慢慢來部長今天看起來有比較累喔委員好辛苦了辛苦了要坐著嗎不用謝謝不要客氣喔\n\n2\n00:00:18,322 --> 00:00:41,408\n好那進入主題之前我先請問一下部長幾個問題馬街醫院呢欲改制為馬街醫學大學的一個進度這幾年馬街醫院的招生因為學校科系的屬性關係他們所有的科系招生非常的亮眼那科系跟畢業後的工作是可以連結的比如國內的醫院缺醫師護理師馬街有護理醫檢相關科系\n\n3\n00:00:42,128 --> 00:00:59,925\n所以國內社會對這個驗光師有需求馬街醫院最近幾年也在教育部的同意之下設視光學系請問部長馬街醫學院也有向教育部提出改制為馬街醫學大學申請案請問目前辦理的進度改制有沒有遇到什麼困難\n\n4\n00:01:01,311 --> 00:01:25,159\n沒有的根文報告我們按照一切這個專科以上學校的這些這個變更啊或者要這個升格等等的這些的辦法我們是按照程序來做所以他我們在我們接著是要去馬街去做這個學校實地的訪查對對對所以你剛說沒有的意思是說沒有遇到困難是嗎\n\n5\n00:01:25,999 --> 00:01:31,727\n我們按照程序對所以沒有沒有基本上我說在程序上沒有任何問題我們會幾月要去實地勘察\n\n6\n00:01:36,181 --> 00:01:59,741\n什麼時候要去實地勘查?可不可以給我一個明確的實境?我們12月的時候會我們事實上在10月底已經含糊學校這個書面審查的意見那目前排是在12月的時候會去學校實地勘查一切如果順利都沒有什麼問題的話預計幾月會有辦理完成那接著就是還有一個程序就是私校的一個諮詢委員會會開會開完會以後就會確認多久會開一次會?\n\n7\n00:02:04,195 --> 00:02:27,161\n我們在1月的時候會召開這個事項好所以12月看1月去召開委員會通過委員會的話就可以改是嗎是沒有錯那我們希望過年前會有好的消息我想公司力大家一起來努力因為畢竟我們現在對於整個醫院缺醫檢師護理師剛剛有說過我們都希望能夠趕快補足這些人力那也這個部分希望教育部能夠重視\n\n8\n00:02:28,041 --> 00:02:48,816\n好那今天的專報呢名稱叫做電子煙入侵校園危害青少年防制的一個檢討其實我覺得更應該深入的講我們都知道現在台灣的電子煙害防治法規定類是類煙品是被全面禁止是不能使用但現在每天新聞我們都可以看到依託名字也就是俗稱的殭屍煙我想今天大家都在討論這件事情\n\n9\n00:02:50,797 --> 00:03:12,599\n那大家都說它是電子煙但嚴格來說這個藉由電子煙的載具將毒液裝在煙袋裡面於木混珠也就是說我們今天在討論的不僅是涉及到煙害也涉及到毒害教育部在這個方面責任我覺得是非常的重大首先電子煙的外型多樣且與傳統的香煙來相比\n\n10\n00:03:15,501 --> 00:03:43,171\n煙霧相對不易察覺聞也聞不出個所以然所以學校在日常的管理中難以及時發現學生使用電子煙的行為例如學生使用電子煙通常不可能在教室比較常出現的可能在廁所走廊不易發現的一個地方教育部有沒有針對這樣的狀況提供學校一個具體的應對方法讓學校有更有效的去面對來做規範而不是只是告訴學校宣導要多加注意\n\n11\n00:03:44,284 --> 00:04:11,496\n有沒有什麼具體的規範因為我們確實校園裡邊他是會有不定期我們的這個學校創新以及校安人員我們的學務我們的老師事實上他會不定期對學校剛才委員所提的廁所啦或者一些所謂的一些可能的學生的對那個基本都要做的那些我們都有基本都有但是我還是回到剛剛的電子煙察覺不易我記得以前我們在國中的時候都還看過\n\n12\n00:04:13,197 --> 00:04:27,233\n老師啊去聞那個學生的手指因為抽煙會有那個煙味在手指上可是電子煙不一定有這樣的狀況所以我們在發現說在這樣子的一個查學過程會相當不易\n\n13\n00:04:28,174 --> 00:04:28,434\n委員會主席\n\n14\n00:04:50,103 --> 00:05:09,001\n實際面在校園將私煙就是將毒液裝在煙彈裡面老師怎麼有辦法去辨別這是電子煙還是有毒的煙彈聞也聞不出來啊對不對那所以這個這樣的不當成分當中我們有沒有相關的檢測設備可以讓學校第一線來做處理\n\n15\n00:05:10,885 --> 00:05:39,704\n我們目前檢測的設備還是是沒有的我們大概就從學生的行為跟看到有具體的一個事證那我們會把這樣的一個他這個稀釋的這些證據這個送給這個法醫所裡面去做進一步的這個證據的一個部長就部裡面的資料電子煙現在的數量在校園裡面你們有統計嗎\n\n16\n00:05:40,885 --> 00:06:09,054\n校園裡邊我們目前通報是電子煙是有38件大概就是說量是不高但是陳如委員事實上也很清楚你覺得有沒有黑數應該是說在校園裡邊的上課時間老師跟學員互動大概學生在這個部分相對是比較少的但是他離開校園裡邊在社區同樣的青年同才他們可能來自於好奇來自於\n\n17\n00:06:09,734 --> 00:06:38,914\n其他的可能的因素他們會稀釋的一個比例我想會在社區會在校園外抽這樣子的不僅是吸引我相信這也會有陰影所以在外面會抽在校園內也無可避免38起我個人認為調查不一定夠紮實所以有沒有黑數我相信一定有那38起裡面或者是教育部的資料裡面有沒有依託名指的出現在校園裡面\n\n18\n00:06:40,315 --> 00:06:55,335\n目前沒有但是我們希望不要有但我們擔心會有所以我希望在這樣子的一個違禁品當中我們大家都知道現階段校園的一些無奈學生很聰明那老師很難查\n\n19\n00:06:55,996 --> 00:06:57,618\n目前他確實是學校在校規上他是有一些規範的\n\n20\n00:07:16,856 --> 00:07:17,456\n國建署副署長\n\n21\n00:07:47,838 --> 00:08:03,781\n煙害防制法明定未滿20歲不得吸煙也就是台灣的禁煙年齡是20歲請問法修完了嗎?已經去年3月22號公布實施成效如何?有沒有具體的落實?校園就此安寧了嗎?你覺得呢?\n\n22\n00:08:06,135 --> 00:08:30,480\n剛剛說這個教育部的資料有38件其實跟委員報告當然教育部的內部的資料38件那因為在兩個禮拜前未完委員會有要求所以我們有跟縣市溝通目前縣市回報回來的透過校外跟警政校內跟學校的這個合作大概有上千件那現在正進行過濾跟查處中\n\n23\n00:08:31,460 --> 00:08:53,067\n校外跟警政有上千件對這個加起來我們在稽查的過程你會發現違規使用電子煙的上千件所以鄭部長剛剛我說的38件跟上千件這是中間的一個差距我們沒有要怪罪教育部但是我相信這個查緝的確困難但是實際面的確有就我所了解電子煙是非常盛行的\n\n24\n00:08:53,607 --> 00:09:04,975\n所以在這個部分上一定要特別小心注意前天11月5號有一則新聞高中生一時好玩上網貼電子煙的照片遭南投衛生局重罰20萬部長你知道為什麼他要被罰20萬嗎?部長你知道嗎?因為我們報告他就是張貼這一個電子煙的一個訊息\n\n25\n00:09:14,019 --> 00:09:16,601\n這還是最重要的一個關鍵現在反而變成學生在當菸頭\n\n26\n00:09:43,539 --> 00:10:04,418\n原頭的不斷在提升根本就沒有做好所以教育部跟衛福部怎麼互相合作加強這個因應措施從青少年的部分來處理副署長衛福部在源頭斷根上不要放水就阿彌陀佛了但是據傳網路平台業者FBIGD卡有去找衛福部開會希望不要抓得那麼嚴有沒有這一回事\n\n27\n00:10:05,058 --> 00:10:28,385\n其實我們從去年3月22號執行新法之後到目前為止我們是定期跟業者來做溝通的對那業者有沒有反應不要抓這麼嚴我們依法行政勿往勿中那其實我先問你他們有沒有反應這種事嗎一定是依法行政我跟您報告是我們都在溝通我相信你會依法行政但我要了解平台有沒有在反應這些事情\n\n28\n00:10:29,970 --> 00:10:53,308\n我相信大家都覺得執法上面不管是那個小朋友犯煙或者是平台業者大家都覺得我們這個法煙害防治法本身就是一個比較嚴肅的法律比較嚴格的法律我希望這個是嚴肅以待認真看待依法行政而且是一定要非常的嚴格去執行如果都沒有這一回事怎麼可能網路上一直都有賣電子煙的廣告跟管道\n\n29\n00:10:54,188 --> 00:11:14,030\n電子煙變成許多平台的大宗買廣告的一個業者所以如果都沒有接受到業者關心請你告訴全國大眾針對網路平台的裁罰狀況目前是多少目前我們裁罰的件數到10月底的是3萬多件目前正在積極做裁處的動作\n\n30\n00:11:15,572 --> 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開完會以後就會確認多久會開一次會?\n124195\t147161\t我們在1月的時候會召開這個事項好所以12月看1月去召開委員會通過委員會的話就可以改是嗎是沒有錯那我們希望過年前會有好的消息我想公司力大家一起來努力因為畢竟我們現在對於整個醫院缺醫檢師護理師剛剛有說過我們都希望能夠趕快補足這些人力那也這個部分希望教育部能夠重視\n148041\t168816\t好那今天的專報呢名稱叫做電子煙入侵校園危害青少年防制的一個檢討其實我覺得更應該深入的講我們都知道現在台灣的電子煙害防治法規定類是類煙品是被全面禁止是不能使用但現在每天新聞我們都可以看到依託名字也就是俗稱的殭屍煙我想今天大家都在討論這件事情\n170797\t192599\t那大家都說它是電子煙但嚴格來說這個藉由電子煙的載具將毒液裝在煙袋裡面於木混珠也就是說我們今天在討論的不僅是涉及到煙害也涉及到毒害教育部在這個方面責任我覺得是非常的重大首先電子煙的外型多樣且與傳統的香煙來相比\n195501\t223171\t煙霧相對不易察覺聞也聞不出個所以然所以學校在日常的管理中難以及時發現學生使用電子煙的行為例如學生使用電子煙通常不可能在教室比較常出現的可能在廁所走廊不易發現的一個地方教育部有沒有針對這樣的狀況提供學校一個具體的應對方法讓學校有更有效的去面對來做規範而不是只是告訴學校宣導要多加注意\n224284\t251496\t有沒有什麼具體的規範因為我們確實校園裡邊他是會有不定期我們的這個學校創新以及校安人員我們的學務我們的老師事實上他會不定期對學校剛才委員所提的廁所啦或者一些所謂的一些可能的學生的對那個基本都要做的那些我們都有基本都有但是我還是回到剛剛的電子煙察覺不易我記得以前我們在國中的時候都還看過\n253197\t267233\t老師啊去聞那個學生的手指因為抽煙會有那個煙味在手指上可是電子煙不一定有這樣的狀況所以我們在發現說在這樣子的一個查學過程會相當不易\n268174\t268434\t委員會主席\n290103\t309001\t實際面在校園將私煙就是將毒液裝在煙彈裡面老師怎麼有辦法去辨別這是電子煙還是有毒的煙彈聞也聞不出來啊對不對那所以這個這樣的不當成分當中我們有沒有相關的檢測設備可以讓學校第一線來做處理\n310885\t339704\t我們目前檢測的設備還是是沒有的我們大概就從學生的行為跟看到有具體的一個事證那我們會把這樣的一個他這個稀釋的這些證據這個送給這個法醫所裡面去做進一步的這個證據的一個部長就部裡面的資料電子煙現在的數量在校園裡面你們有統計嗎\n340885\t369054\t校園裡邊我們目前通報是電子煙是有38件大概就是說量是不高但是陳如委員事實上也很清楚你覺得有沒有黑數應該是說在校園裡邊的上課時間老師跟學員互動大概學生在這個部分相對是比較少的但是他離開校園裡邊在社區同樣的青年同才他們可能來自於好奇來自於\n369734\t398914\t其他的可能的因素他們會稀釋的一個比例我想會在社區會在校園外抽這樣子的不僅是吸引我相信這也會有陰影所以在外面會抽在校園內也無可避免38起我個人認為調查不一定夠紮實所以有沒有黑數我相信一定有那38起裡面或者是教育部的資料裡面有沒有依託名指的出現在校園裡面\n400315\t415335\t目前沒有但是我們希望不要有但我們擔心會有所以我希望在這樣子的一個違禁品當中我們大家都知道現階段校園的一些無奈學生很聰明那老師很難查\n415996\t417618\t目前他確實是學校在校規上他是有一些規範的\n436856\t437456\t國建署副署長\n467838\t483781\t煙害防制法明定未滿20歲不得吸煙也就是台灣的禁煙年齡是20歲請問法修完了嗎?已經去年3月22號公布實施成效如何?有沒有具體的落實?校園就此安寧了嗎?你覺得呢?\n486135\t510480\t剛剛說這個教育部的資料有38件其實跟委員報告當然教育部的內部的資料38件那因為在兩個禮拜前未完委員會有要求所以我們有跟縣市溝通目前縣市回報回來的透過校外跟警政校內跟學校的這個合作大概有上千件那現在正進行過濾跟查處中\n511460\t533067\t校外跟警政有上千件對 這個加起來我們在稽查的過程你會發現違規使用電子煙的上千件所以鄭部長剛剛我說的38件跟上千件這是中間的一個差距我們沒有要怪罪教育部但是我相信這個查緝的確困難但是實際面的確有就我所了解電子煙是非常盛行的\n533607\t544975\t所以在這個部分上一定要特別小心注意前天11月5號有一則新聞高中生一時好玩上網貼電子煙的照片遭南投衛生局重罰20萬部長你知道為什麼他要被罰20萬嗎?部長你知道嗎?因為我們報告他就是張貼這一個電子煙的一個訊息\n554019\t556601\t這還是最重要的一個關鍵現在反而變成學生在當菸頭\n583539\t604418\t原頭的不斷在提升根本就沒有做好所以教育部跟衛福部怎麼互相合作加強這個因應措施從青少年的部分來處理副署長衛福部在源頭斷根上不要放水就阿彌陀佛了但是據傳網路平台業者FBIGD卡有去找衛福部開會希望不要抓得那麼嚴有沒有這一回事\n605058\t628385\t其實我們從去年3月22號執行新法之後到目前為止我們是定期跟業者來做溝通的對那業者有沒有反應不要抓這麼嚴我們依法行政勿往勿中那其實我先問你他們有沒有反應這種事嗎一定是依法行政我跟您報告是我們都在溝通我相信你會依法行政但我要了解平台有沒有在反應這些事情\n629970\t653308\t我相信大家都覺得執法上面不管是那個小朋友犯煙或者是平台業者大家都覺得我們這個法煙害防治法本身就是一個比較嚴肅的法律比較嚴格的法律我希望這個是嚴肅以待認真看待依法行政而且是一定要非常的嚴格去執行如果都沒有這一回事怎麼可能網路上一直都有賣電子煙的廣告跟管道\n654188\t674030\t電子煙變成許多平台的大宗買廣告的一個業者所以如果都沒有接受到業者關心請你告訴全國大眾針對網路平台的裁罰狀況目前是多少目前我們裁罰的件數到10月底的是3萬多件目前正在積極做裁處的動作\n675572\t697535\t我希望能夠再提升這方面的查緝甚至是裁罰能夠標準能夠再將這些件數持續的穩定提高所以衛福部110年青少年吸煙行為調查報告全國7.9萬青少年吸食電子煙1.6萬吸食加熱煙因為政府在源頭上管理有放水電子煙取得容易這是不爭的事實\n698075\t724074\t大家都知道所以才會有7.9萬的青少年吸食加熱煙當煙頭校園的電子煙問題就會日漸的嚴重所以我想政府要不要做我們都看得很清楚實際拿出作為讓我們這些家長安心實際拿出這個作為讓整個社會安心而不是我們看到某些部會在放水而某些部會一直在努力的想要辦法在中間亡羊補牢在中間插屁股\n724654\t724674\t羅廷瑋議員\n","txt":"有請部長有請鄭部長部長慢慢來部長今天看起來有比較累喔委員好辛苦了辛苦了要坐著嗎不用謝謝不要客氣喔\n好那進入主題之前我先請問一下部長幾個問題馬街醫院呢欲改制為馬街醫學大學的一個進度這幾年馬街醫院的招生因為學校科系的屬性關係他們所有的科系招生非常的亮眼那科系跟畢業後的工作是可以連結的比如國內的醫院缺醫師護理師馬街有護理醫檢相關科系\n所以國內社會對這個驗光師有需求馬街醫院最近幾年也在教育部的同意之下設視光學系請問部長馬街醫學院也有向教育部提出改制為馬街醫學大學申請案請問目前辦理的進度改制有沒有遇到什麼困難\n沒有的根文報告我們按照一切這個專科以上學校的這些這個變更啊或者要這個升格等等的這些的辦法我們是按照程序來做所以他我們在我們接著是要去馬街去做這個學校實地的訪查對對對所以你剛說沒有的意思是說沒有遇到困難是嗎\n我們按照程序對所以沒有沒有基本上我說在程序上沒有任何問題我們會幾月要去實地勘察\n什麼時候要去實地勘查?可不可以給我一個明確的實境?我們12月的時候會我們事實上在10月底已經含糊學校這個書面審查的意見那目前排是在12月的時候會去學校實地勘查一切如果順利都沒有什麼問題的話預計幾月會有辦理完成那接著就是還有一個程序就是私校的一個諮詢委員會會開會 開完會以後就會確認多久會開一次會?\n我們在1月的時候會召開這個事項好所以12月看1月去召開委員會通過委員會的話就可以改是嗎是沒有錯那我們希望過年前會有好的消息我想公司力大家一起來努力因為畢竟我們現在對於整個醫院缺醫檢師護理師剛剛有說過我們都希望能夠趕快補足這些人力那也這個部分希望教育部能夠重視\n好那今天的專報呢名稱叫做電子煙入侵校園危害青少年防制的一個檢討其實我覺得更應該深入的講我們都知道現在台灣的電子煙害防治法規定類是類煙品是被全面禁止是不能使用但現在每天新聞我們都可以看到依託名字也就是俗稱的殭屍煙我想今天大家都在討論這件事情\n那大家都說它是電子煙但嚴格來說這個藉由電子煙的載具將毒液裝在煙袋裡面於木混珠也就是說我們今天在討論的不僅是涉及到煙害也涉及到毒害教育部在這個方面責任我覺得是非常的重大首先電子煙的外型多樣且與傳統的香煙來相比\n煙霧相對不易察覺聞也聞不出個所以然所以學校在日常的管理中難以及時發現學生使用電子煙的行為例如學生使用電子煙通常不可能在教室比較常出現的可能在廁所走廊不易發現的一個地方教育部有沒有針對這樣的狀況提供學校一個具體的應對方法讓學校有更有效的去面對來做規範而不是只是告訴學校宣導要多加注意\n有沒有什麼具體的規範因為我們確實校園裡邊他是會有不定期我們的這個學校創新以及校安人員我們的學務我們的老師事實上他會不定期對學校剛才委員所提的廁所啦或者一些所謂的一些可能的學生的對那個基本都要做的那些我們都有基本都有但是我還是回到剛剛的電子煙察覺不易我記得以前我們在國中的時候都還看過\n老師啊去聞那個學生的手指因為抽煙會有那個煙味在手指上可是電子煙不一定有這樣的狀況所以我們在發現說在這樣子的一個查學過程會相當不易\n委員會主席\n實際面在校園將私煙就是將毒液裝在煙彈裡面老師怎麼有辦法去辨別這是電子煙還是有毒的煙彈聞也聞不出來啊對不對那所以這個這樣的不當成分當中我們有沒有相關的檢測設備可以讓學校第一線來做處理\n我們目前檢測的設備還是是沒有的我們大概就從學生的行為跟看到有具體的一個事證那我們會把這樣的一個他這個稀釋的這些證據這個送給這個法醫所裡面去做進一步的這個證據的一個部長就部裡面的資料電子煙現在的數量在校園裡面你們有統計嗎\n校園裡邊我們目前通報是電子煙是有38件大概就是說量是不高但是陳如委員事實上也很清楚你覺得有沒有黑數應該是說在校園裡邊的上課時間老師跟學員互動大概學生在這個部分相對是比較少的但是他離開校園裡邊在社區同樣的青年同才他們可能來自於好奇來自於\n其他的可能的因素他們會稀釋的一個比例我想會在社區會在校園外抽這樣子的不僅是吸引我相信這也會有陰影所以在外面會抽在校園內也無可避免38起我個人認為調查不一定夠紮實所以有沒有黑數我相信一定有那38起裡面或者是教育部的資料裡面有沒有依託名指的出現在校園裡面\n目前沒有但是我們希望不要有但我們擔心會有所以我希望在這樣子的一個違禁品當中我們大家都知道現階段校園的一些無奈學生很聰明那老師很難查\n目前他確實是學校在校規上他是有一些規範的\n國建署副署長\n煙害防制法明定未滿20歲不得吸煙也就是台灣的禁煙年齡是20歲請問法修完了嗎?已經去年3月22號公布實施成效如何?有沒有具體的落實?校園就此安寧了嗎?你覺得呢?\n剛剛說這個教育部的資料有38件其實跟委員報告當然教育部的內部的資料38件那因為在兩個禮拜前未完委員會有要求所以我們有跟縣市溝通目前縣市回報回來的透過校外跟警政校內跟學校的這個合作大概有上千件那現在正進行過濾跟查處中\n校外跟警政有上千件對 這個加起來我們在稽查的過程你會發現違規使用電子煙的上千件所以鄭部長剛剛我說的38件跟上千件這是中間的一個差距我們沒有要怪罪教育部但是我相信這個查緝的確困難但是實際面的確有就我所了解電子煙是非常盛行的\n所以在這個部分上一定要特別小心注意前天11月5號有一則新聞高中生一時好玩上網貼電子煙的照片遭南投衛生局重罰20萬部長你知道為什麼他要被罰20萬嗎?部長你知道嗎?因為我們報告他就是張貼這一個電子煙的一個訊息\n這還是最重要的一個關鍵現在反而變成學生在當菸頭\n原頭的不斷在提升根本就沒有做好所以教育部跟衛福部怎麼互相合作加強這個因應措施從青少年的部分來處理副署長衛福部在源頭斷根上不要放水就阿彌陀佛了但是據傳網路平台業者FBIGD卡有去找衛福部開會希望不要抓得那麼嚴有沒有這一回事\n其實我們從去年3月22號執行新法之後到目前為止我們是定期跟業者來做溝通的對那業者有沒有反應不要抓這麼嚴我們依法行政勿往勿中那其實我先問你他們有沒有反應這種事嗎一定是依法行政我跟您報告是我們都在溝通我相信你會依法行政但我要了解平台有沒有在反應這些事情\n我相信大家都覺得執法上面不管是那個小朋友犯煙或者是平台業者大家都覺得我們這個法煙害防治法本身就是一個比較嚴肅的法律比較嚴格的法律我希望這個是嚴肅以待認真看待依法行政而且是一定要非常的嚴格去執行如果都沒有這一回事怎麼可能網路上一直都有賣電子煙的廣告跟管道\n電子煙變成許多平台的大宗買廣告的一個業者所以如果都沒有接受到業者關心請你告訴全國大眾針對網路平台的裁罰狀況目前是多少目前我們裁罰的件數到10月底的是3萬多件目前正在積極做裁處的動作\n我希望能夠再提升這方面的查緝甚至是裁罰能夠標準能夠再將這些件數持續的穩定提高所以衛福部110年青少年吸煙行為調查報告全國7.9萬青少年吸食電子煙1.6萬吸食加熱煙因為政府在源頭上管理有放水電子煙取得容易這是不爭的事實\n大家都知道所以才會有7.9萬的青少年吸食加熱煙當煙頭校園的電子煙問題就會日漸的嚴重所以我想政府要不要做我們都看得很清楚實際拿出作為讓我們這些家長安心實際拿出這個作為讓整個社會安心而不是我們看到某些部會在放水而某些部會一直在努力的想要辦法在中間亡羊補牢在中間插屁股\n羅廷瑋議員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.721 --> 00:17.036\n有請部長有請鄭部長部長慢慢來部長今天看起來有比較累喔委員好辛苦了辛苦了要坐著嗎不用謝謝不要客氣喔\n\n00:18.322 --> 00:41.408\n好那進入主題之前我先請問一下部長幾個問題馬街醫院呢欲改制為馬街醫學大學的一個進度這幾年馬街醫院的招生因為學校科系的屬性關係他們所有的科系招生非常的亮眼那科系跟畢業後的工作是可以連結的比如國內的醫院缺醫師護理師馬街有護理醫檢相關科系\n\n00:42.128 --> 00:59.925\n所以國內社會對這個驗光師有需求馬街醫院最近幾年也在教育部的同意之下設視光學系請問部長馬街醫學院也有向教育部提出改制為馬街醫學大學申請案請問目前辦理的進度改制有沒有遇到什麼困難\n\n01:01.311 --> 01:25.159\n沒有的根文報告我們按照一切這個專科以上學校的這些這個變更啊或者要這個升格等等的這些的辦法我們是按照程序來做所以他我們在我們接著是要去馬街去做這個學校實地的訪查對對對所以你剛說沒有的意思是說沒有遇到困難是嗎\n\n01:25.999 --> 01:31.727\n我們按照程序對所以沒有沒有基本上我說在程序上沒有任何問題我們會幾月要去實地勘察\n\n01:36.181 --> 01:59.741\n什麼時候要去實地勘查?可不可以給我一個明確的實境?我們12月的時候會我們事實上在10月底已經含糊學校這個書面審查的意見那目前排是在12月的時候會去學校實地勘查一切如果順利都沒有什麼問題的話預計幾月會有辦理完成那接著就是還有一個程序就是私校的一個諮詢委員會會開會開完會以後就會確認多久會開一次會?\n\n02:04.195 --> 02:27.161\n我們在1月的時候會召開這個事項好所以12月看1月去召開委員會通過委員會的話就可以改是嗎是沒有錯那我們希望過年前會有好的消息我想公司力大家一起來努力因為畢竟我們現在對於整個醫院缺醫檢師護理師剛剛有說過我們都希望能夠趕快補足這些人力那也這個部分希望教育部能夠重視\n\n02:28.041 --> 02:48.816\n好那今天的專報呢名稱叫做電子煙入侵校園危害青少年防制的一個檢討其實我覺得更應該深入的講我們都知道現在台灣的電子煙害防治法規定類是類煙品是被全面禁止是不能使用但現在每天新聞我們都可以看到依託名字也就是俗稱的殭屍煙我想今天大家都在討論這件事情\n\n02:50.797 --> 03:12.599\n那大家都說它是電子煙但嚴格來說這個藉由電子煙的載具將毒液裝在煙袋裡面於木混珠也就是說我們今天在討論的不僅是涉及到煙害也涉及到毒害教育部在這個方面責任我覺得是非常的重大首先電子煙的外型多樣且與傳統的香煙來相比\n\n03:15.501 --> 03:43.171\n煙霧相對不易察覺聞也聞不出個所以然所以學校在日常的管理中難以及時發現學生使用電子煙的行為例如學生使用電子煙通常不可能在教室比較常出現的可能在廁所走廊不易發現的一個地方教育部有沒有針對這樣的狀況提供學校一個具體的應對方法讓學校有更有效的去面對來做規範而不是只是告訴學校宣導要多加注意\n\n03:44.284 --> 04:11.496\n有沒有什麼具體的規範因為我們確實校園裡邊他是會有不定期我們的這個學校創新以及校安人員我們的學務我們的老師事實上他會不定期對學校剛才委員所提的廁所啦或者一些所謂的一些可能的學生的對那個基本都要做的那些我們都有基本都有但是我還是回到剛剛的電子煙察覺不易我記得以前我們在國中的時候都還看過\n\n04:13.197 --> 04:27.233\n老師啊去聞那個學生的手指因為抽煙會有那個煙味在手指上可是電子煙不一定有這樣的狀況所以我們在發現說在這樣子的一個查學過程會相當不易\n\n04:28.174 --> 04:28.434\n委員會主席\n\n04:50.103 --> 05:09.001\n實際面在校園將私煙就是將毒液裝在煙彈裡面老師怎麼有辦法去辨別這是電子煙還是有毒的煙彈聞也聞不出來啊對不對那所以這個這樣的不當成分當中我們有沒有相關的檢測設備可以讓學校第一線來做處理\n\n05:10.885 --> 05:39.704\n我們目前檢測的設備還是是沒有的我們大概就從學生的行為跟看到有具體的一個事證那我們會把這樣的一個他這個稀釋的這些證據這個送給這個法醫所裡面去做進一步的這個證據的一個部長就部裡面的資料電子煙現在的數量在校園裡面你們有統計嗎\n\n05:40.885 --> 06:09.054\n校園裡邊我們目前通報是電子煙是有38件大概就是說量是不高但是陳如委員事實上也很清楚你覺得有沒有黑數應該是說在校園裡邊的上課時間老師跟學員互動大概學生在這個部分相對是比較少的但是他離開校園裡邊在社區同樣的青年同才他們可能來自於好奇來自於\n\n06:09.734 --> 06:38.914\n其他的可能的因素他們會稀釋的一個比例我想會在社區會在校園外抽這樣子的不僅是吸引我相信這也會有陰影所以在外面會抽在校園內也無可避免38起我個人認為調查不一定夠紮實所以有沒有黑數我相信一定有那38起裡面或者是教育部的資料裡面有沒有依託名指的出現在校園裡面\n\n06:40.315 --> 06:55.335\n目前沒有但是我們希望不要有但我們擔心會有所以我希望在這樣子的一個違禁品當中我們大家都知道現階段校園的一些無奈學生很聰明那老師很難查\n\n06:55.996 --> 06:57.618\n目前他確實是學校在校規上他是有一些規範的\n\n07:16.856 --> 07:17.456\n國建署副署長\n\n07:47.838 --> 08:03.781\n煙害防制法明定未滿20歲不得吸煙也就是台灣的禁煙年齡是20歲請問法修完了嗎?已經去年3月22號公布實施成效如何?有沒有具體的落實?校園就此安寧了嗎?你覺得呢?\n\n08:06.135 --> 08:30.480\n剛剛說這個教育部的資料有38件其實跟委員報告當然教育部的內部的資料38件那因為在兩個禮拜前未完委員會有要求所以我們有跟縣市溝通目前縣市回報回來的透過校外跟警政校內跟學校的這個合作大概有上千件那現在正進行過濾跟查處中\n\n08:31.460 --> 08:53.067\n校外跟警政有上千件對這個加起來我們在稽查的過程你會發現違規使用電子煙的上千件所以鄭部長剛剛我說的38件跟上千件這是中間的一個差距我們沒有要怪罪教育部但是我相信這個查緝的確困難但是實際面的確有就我所了解電子煙是非常盛行的\n\n08:53.607 --> 09:04.975\n所以在這個部分上一定要特別小心注意前天11月5號有一則新聞高中生一時好玩上網貼電子煙的照片遭南投衛生局重罰20萬部長你知道為什麼他要被罰20萬嗎?部長你知道嗎?因為我們報告他就是張貼這一個電子煙的一個訊息\n\n09:14.019 --> 09:16.601\n這還是最重要的一個關鍵現在反而變成學生在當菸頭\n\n09:43.539 --> 10:04.418\n原頭的不斷在提升根本就沒有做好所以教育部跟衛福部怎麼互相合作加強這個因應措施從青少年的部分來處理副署長衛福部在源頭斷根上不要放水就阿彌陀佛了但是據傳網路平台業者FBIGD卡有去找衛福部開會希望不要抓得那麼嚴有沒有這一回事\n\n10:05.058 --> 10:28.385\n其實我們從去年3月22號執行新法之後到目前為止我們是定期跟業者來做溝通的對那業者有沒有反應不要抓這麼嚴我們依法行政勿往勿中那其實我先問你他們有沒有反應這種事嗎一定是依法行政我跟您報告是我們都在溝通我相信你會依法行政但我要了解平台有沒有在反應這些事情\n\n10:29.970 --> 10:53.308\n我相信大家都覺得執法上面不管是那個小朋友犯煙或者是平台業者大家都覺得我們這個法煙害防治法本身就是一個比較嚴肅的法律比較嚴格的法律我希望這個是嚴肅以待認真看待依法行政而且是一定要非常的嚴格去執行如果都沒有這一回事怎麼可能網路上一直都有賣電子煙的廣告跟管道\n\n10:54.188 --> 11:14.030\n電子煙變成許多平台的大宗買廣告的一個業者所以如果都沒有接受到業者關心請你告訴全國大眾針對網路平台的裁罰狀況目前是多少目前我們裁罰的件數到10月底的是3萬多件目前正在積極做裁處的動作\n\n11:15.572 --> 11:37.535\n我希望能夠再提升這方面的查緝甚至是裁罰能夠標準能夠再將這些件數持續的穩定提高所以衛福部110年青少年吸煙行為調查報告全國7.9萬青少年吸食電子煙1.6萬吸食加熱煙因為政府在源頭上管理有放水電子煙取得容易這是不爭的事實\n\n11:38.075 --> 12:04.074\n大家都知道所以才會有7.9萬的青少年吸食加熱煙當煙頭校園的電子煙問題就會日漸的嚴重所以我想政府要不要做我們都看得很清楚實際拿出作為讓我們這些家長安心實際拿出這個作為讓整個社會安心而不是我們看到某些部會在放水而某些部會一直在努力的想要辦法在中間亡羊補牢在中間插屁股\n\n12:04.654 --> 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