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00:01:09,356\n我知,在法院這件事,就是說你父母親有一方是原住民,那他也可以登記原住民的名字,但是他也是用漢名在前面,後面是原住民的名字。你知不知,他去抱他孩子的父母的時候,受我們政府所謂的侮辱,你知不知這件事?我知,\n\n4\n00:01:13,619 --> 00:01:15,940\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n5\n00:01:33,084 --> 00:01:37,828\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n6\n00:01:48,420 --> 00:02:14,649\n委員報告我們第一時間就跟那個負責事務所說你不可以這樣你必須要先徵詢這是不是八位發生的是是是那你怎麼處理主委現在我們已經有一個命名的導演已經走出來就是說可以送我負責事務所這場課那花蓮那個負責事務所他做的不對我們也特別要他跟我們原住民的朋友要道歉\n\n7\n00:02:15,549 --> 00:02:19,092\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n8\n00:02:38,669 --> 00:02:48,270\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n9\n00:02:50,401 --> 00:02:53,842\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n10\n00:03:19,045 --> 00:03:32,015\n我跟委員報告喔,事實是副政事務所不是完全了解原住民的這個命要怎麼合啦為什麼你們有這些有原住民的所在你們應該也要去輔導、要來人到三天沒到三天,又退後了,又說那種為人傷害\n\n11\n00:03:45,956 --> 00:03:50,898\n另外你聽到嗎?你會敢說嗎?主委你審一個大家庭是這是大部應該你知道嗎?我們有透過內政部跟主要是一些在北地的這個負責事務所比較不太清楚啦那如果在原住民的鄉負責事務所當然會比較清楚主委,我跟你說的地方的負責大部分都有原住民跟住所是\n\n12\n00:04:15,708 --> 00:04:18,371\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n13\n00:04:36,770 --> 00:04:45,993\n要讓原住民可以開會、他可以生、可以命的地方,我們是尊重的,再來實施這個。要不然所作所為,覺得一種傷害不好,所以你們要加強,趕緊去處理每一間市的負債。\n\n14\n00:04:57,587 --> 00:05:06,052\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n15\n00:05:24,915 --> 00:05:30,638\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n16\n00:05:39,605 --> 00:05:45,529\n委員報告,你說那7個,那7個是專案的主委推動中心：對啦：還沒審,假期期也沒有,婚禮也沒有,像你這個你每年有這個遺申,但是在當局這幾天,我說得不好的時候,你這個遺申出來,你臨位假期期,會洗臉嗎?來你回答一下\n\n17\n00:06:07,605 --> 00:06:13,489\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n18\n00:06:28,579 --> 00:06:31,223\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n19\n00:06:46,857 --> 00:06:53,499\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n20\n00:07:09,043 --> 00:07:31,355\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n21\n00:07:37,830 --> 00:07:49,797\n主委,在這裏,我認為我們的功能就是,若不動善,會再善,不宜的再善,退回來,退回來給我們的政府。最主要的就是這個訴訟的問題。在我們今年5月的時候,我們就有一個公職律師,在總統座裡面,我看不到,\n\n22\n00:08:05,766 --> 00:08:09,687\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n23\n00:08:28,112 --> 00:08:47,985\n我們內部原來的很多是在北京的東林所以我們在調查的時候包括做處分的時候都是我們自己處理的但是案件如果到法院去的時候那個人我們不可能自己去處理要有出庭的律師、訴訟的律師來幫忙所以原住民如果去法院後我們這裡法院有80幾個案件所以我們\n\n24\n00:08:52,148 --> 00:08:54,971\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n25\n00:09:18,732 --> 00:09:26,135\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n26\n00:09:33,098 --> 00:09:33,478\n黃建斌委員\n\n27\n00:10:06,328 --> 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--> 00:14.276\n委員好主委早早主委在這裡本事先幫你探討一些最近發生的問題因為你知道不是跟原住民一樣全台灣的少子化所以我們都勿忘我們的經濟是誰可以生的孩子結果在這幾個月當中尤其我們的原住民要去保證報告的時候\n\n00:31.855 --> 00:42.707\n一位爸爸是台灣人,媽媽是原住民,去到附近是不是要報,她的孩子又出事,要去報。你可不可以知道這件事,來。\n\n00:46.840 --> 01:09.356\n我知,在法院這件事,就是說你父母親有一方是原住民,那他也可以登記原住民的名字,但是他也是用漢名在前面,後面是原住民的名字。你知不知,他去抱他孩子的父母的時候,受我們政府所謂的侮辱,你知不知這件事?我知,\n\n01:13.619 --> 01:15.940\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n01:33.084 --> 01:37.828\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n01:48.420 --> 02:14.649\n委員報告我們第一時間就跟那個負責事務所說你不可以這樣你必須要先徵詢這是不是八位發生的是是是那你怎麼處理主委現在我們已經有一個命名的導演已經走出來就是說可以送我負責事務所這場課那花蓮那個負責事務所他做的不對我們也特別要他跟我們原住民的朋友要道歉\n\n02:15.549 --> 02:19.092\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n02:38.669 --> 02:48.270\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n02:50.401 --> 02:53.842\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n03:19.045 --> 03:32.015\n我跟委員報告喔,事實是副政事務所不是完全了解原住民的這個命要怎麼合啦為什麼你們有這些有原住民的所在你們應該也要去輔導、要來人到三天沒到三天,又退後了,又說那種為人傷害\n\n03:45.956 --> 03:50.898\n另外你聽到嗎?你會敢說嗎?主委你審一個大家庭是這是大部應該你知道嗎?我們有透過內政部跟主要是一些在北地的這個負責事務所比較不太清楚啦那如果在原住民的鄉負責事務所當然會比較清楚主委,我跟你說的地方的負責大部分都有原住民跟住所是\n\n04:15.708 --> 04:18.371\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n04:36.770 --> 04:45.993\n要讓原住民可以開會、他可以生、可以命的地方,我們是尊重的,再來實施這個。要不然所作所為,覺得一種傷害不好,所以你們要加強,趕緊去處理每一間市的負債。\n\n04:57.587 --> 05:06.052\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n05:24.915 --> 05:30.638\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n05:39.605 --> 05:45.529\n委員報告,你說那7個,那7個是專案的主委推動中心：對啦：還沒審,假期期也沒有,婚禮也沒有,像你這個你每年有這個遺申,但是在當局這幾天,我說得不好的時候,你這個遺申出來,你臨位假期期,會洗臉嗎?來你回答一下\n\n06:07.605 --> 06:13.489\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n06:28.579 --> 06:31.223\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n06:46.857 --> 06:53.499\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n07:09.043 --> 07:31.355\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n07:37.830 --> 07:49.797\n主委,在這裏,我認為我們的功能就是,若不動善,會再善,不宜的再善,退回來,退回來給我們的政府。最主要的就是這個訴訟的問題。在我們今年5月的時候,我們就有一個公職律師,在總統座裡面,我看不到,\n\n08:05.766 --> 08:09.687\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n08:28.112 --> 08:47.985\n我們內部原來的很多是在北京的東林所以我們在調查的時候包括做處分的時候都是我們自己處理的但是案件如果到法院去的時候那個人我們不可能自己去處理要有出庭的律師、訴訟的律師來幫忙所以原住民如果去法院後我們這裡法院有80幾個案件所以我們\n\n08:52.148 --> 08:54.971\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n09:18.732 --> 09:26.135\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n09:33.098 --> 09:33.478\n黃建斌委員\n\n10:06.328 --> 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後，你認為嘉義市會設置嗎？來！回答一下，嘉義市的原住民人口數有1,318人，不要說已經是一千三百多人，光是300人，你們都應該要服務……"],["曾主任委員智勇：是，是。"],["王委員美惠：更何況你現在有這些預算，你要去做啊！"],["曾主任委員智勇：我們會把原住民人口數的標準再降低，就是原住民200個、300個……"],["王委員美惠：主委，在此提供我的意見，如果人員不好找或不好聘請，是不是雲嘉嘉可以一起合作，讓他們可以去嘉義也好、去雲林也好？這是一個方法，你們要去研議，不能擺爛說沒有就算了，這樣很不好，好不好？"],["曾主任委員智勇：好。"],["王委員美惠：我覺得預算要過，但也要實施，要做好啦！"],["曾主任委員智勇：是。"],["王委員美惠：說實在的，原住民的語言很好聽，不要讓原住民覺得到哪裡辦事或做什麼，連一個來協助的人都沒有，好不好？"],["曾主任委員智勇：好。"],["王委員美惠：主委，本席今天跟你說這個，是希望未來能有所改進，而不要擺爛！請主委回座。"],["曾主任委員智勇：好，謝謝。"],["王委員美惠：接下來請不當黨產委員會林主委。"],["主席：請林主委。"],["林主任委員峯正：委員早。"],["王委員美惠：主委，不當黨產處理委員會的功能，就是將不當黨產、不義財產討回來還給政府，當然，其中最主要的就是訴訟的問題。今年5月的時候，我們設有一個公職律師，但總的來看，卻沒有看到不當黨產處理委員會這個單位有去申請任何的協助，這是為什麼？是因為你們不需要公職律師，還是你們覺得你們已經很厲害，不需要別人來幫忙了，是不是這樣？請主委回答一下。"],["林主任委員峯正：跟委員說明一下，我們內部原來就有很多具法律背景的同仁，所以我們在調查的時候，包括做處分的時候，都是我們自己處理的，但是案件如果移送到法院去的時候，那個量不可能由我們自己來處理，必須要有出庭的律師、訴訟的律師來幫忙，所以原則上移送去法院之後……目前我們在法院有八十幾個案件，所以我們就委託外面的律師來處理，但是委託報酬的金額其實都很低。"],["王委員美惠：主委，本席之所以跟你探討這個問題，主要是因為我覺得有多一點專業的人進來，對你們的訴訟一定有幫助，本席的意思不是說你們不要委託外面的人，只是既然有公職律師，你們就應該好好利用，在所有單位當中，你們這個單位最需要協助。"],["林主任委員峯正：我跟委員補充一下，因為我們這個單位沒有常任的編制，所以目前要用……"],["王委員美惠：主委，我知道你們就是沒有編制，但是在這裡面……"],["林主任委員峯正：公職律師是有編制的。"],["王委員美惠：對，但我覺得你們有必要去提議，這樣你們這個單位在訴訟時才有辦法把不當的財產要回來啊！以上，謝謝。"],["林主任委員峯正：感謝。"],["主席：請黃建賓委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":282,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-8","speakers":["張宏陸","麥玉珍","王美惠","黃建賓","黃捷","牛煦庭","李柏毅","盧縣一","高金素梅","徐欣瑩","蘇巧慧","鄭天財Sra 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