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00:00:07,474\n麻煩請院長,謝謝。\n\n2\n00:00:13,824 --> 00:00:34,961\n業長好業員早你好,我們先來看一下中研院最近編的那個國外的旅費有發現就是它有大幅的成長譬如說你看明年的預算跟今年的都成長非常多今年是9969萬明年是已經到了算是1億6697萬這麼多請問一下這個預算為什麼會膨脹到這麼多\n\n3\n00:00:43,054 --> 00:01:03,887\n這個有很多理由那主要我們分兩部分一部分是研究人員的需要由於疫情結束所以全世界這個很多研究人員都必須要到世界各地去跟合作夥伴繼續進行研究那彌補過去4年來的研究的空缺另外一方面國際間對跟台灣\n\n4\n00:01:06,389 --> 00:01:33,016\n科學研究的合作興趣也大為提高所以這兩個因素加起來我們的國外旅費的需求就增加我們請主記來講一下跟委員報告一下就是在編列的時候114是參考12年的執行情況那12的時候是剛好因為111的時候疫情結束12就恢復到正常的水準所以在編列的時候就參照112的執行數來做編列以上\n\n5\n00:01:34,375 --> 00:01:48,363\n好,所以你講說膨脹那麼多是因為國外研究的需求是不是?然後跟去國外的交流嘛。但是這個部分你看那個大陸的旅費就很少。你去大陸大概是450萬左右。這個比率非常低啊。\n\n6\n00:01:49,178 --> 00:02:12,743\n那現在是到底是因為什麼原因?是大陸比較沒有什麼學術的?倒不是倒不是那還是說兩岸的氛圍不好還是抗中的原因怎樣?這些我們的經費編列都是由下而上根據研究人員研究的需求所以可見就是說你們現在對於研究大陸兩岸的這部分其實是沒有什麼興趣的\n\n7\n00:02:13,163 --> 00:02:15,486\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府函．為11\n\n8\n00:02:32,273 --> 00:02:34,414\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案。\n\n9\n00:02:53,494 --> 00:03:12,111\n業委員好,那個是寫的是我們最初簽約的時間,所以其實我們一直都還有在簽約。就沒有簽新的約了嘛。最近還跟北京大學的那個歷史系序約,還沒有寫上去,剛剛已經簽訂了。我們了解好像2018年還有一個跟法國的有簽約,也沒有寫上去。\n\n10\n00:03:12,811 --> 00:03:30,019\n所以這個網站是內部參考還是不好意思我們應該要跟著你的但不管怎麼樣啦就算把2018年那個法國寫上去或者是您剛剛講跟北京簽約但我們看起來就是從2016年之後新簽約的就是比較少嘛\n\n11\n00:03:30,459 --> 00:03:48,841\n還有新的都沒放上去日本的中央文庫也剛剛進行都沒有放上去很抱歉我覺得因為大家都知道中研院的近代史研究所其實在研究中國近代史還包括像228、清代史其實都非常有名而且是很有成就\n\n12\n00:03:49,542 --> 00:03:52,863\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關\n\n13\n00:04:06,647 --> 00:04:07,768\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案\n\n14\n00:04:36,892 --> 00:05:00,838\n的表現怎樣怎樣怎樣其實對台灣對我們中澳民國也不利嗎委員我非常贊成您說您說的非常的好其實這也是他們有點不願意跟我們交流的原因他不希望這個近代史史觀受到我們研究的影響是啦那你也可以那你也可以研究完之後你也可以研究完之後去跟他們以外的國家去做交流嘛讓其他國家知道說完全同意委員說的謝謝您說的\n\n15\n00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:31,698\n為什麼說你看到說我們加強對國際的合作的這個的原因很大一部分就是這個但是問題是問題是你們你們現在我不知道你們研究在這一塊還有沒有深入啦有沒有去對國外做交流不知道非常深入的研究所我剛才講的最近幾年國際上特別是跟台灣在文史方面特別近代史這塊跟台灣的合作興趣是非常高就像剛才雷首長講的\n\n16\n00:05:32,758 --> 00:05:54,638\n我覺得因為之前大家都好像講到中國大陸好像就很害怕啦那既然賴總統已經講中華民國113年我覺得我們就放手去研究去告訴人家過去40幾年對不對我們對抗戰或我們做了多少這個對世界有貢獻的事情嘛宣揚中華民國的價值這塊可以多做啦好然後再來齁\n\n17\n00:05:56,039 --> 00:06:10,923\n我們因為中央研究院生育卓著,所以經常被冒名。像這新聞就是有人冒用中央研究院的名號,就是說治療糖尿病新發現,然後就說這個是中央研究院研究的,然後要大家去買他的藥。\n\n18\n00:06:12,964 --> 00:06:14,946\n我們有請法治處跟制裁處做很完整的處理請事務處長說明。\n\n19\n00:06:45,659 --> 00:07:01,455\n是,委員好,我是制裁處處長那針對這一類型的詐騙我們會有的處理方式除了直接到我們零件派出所做通報之外我們也在我們自己的網站上做公告希望能夠讓受害有可能潛在受害的民眾知道說這是一種詐騙但這種情況確實是這個層出不窮\n\n20\n00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:29,600\n大概平均一個月會幾件?倒沒有到一個月幾件,我講了因為中央有很多新的技術,他都有可能變成是有一年幾件?一年我們大概會遇到3、4、5件。那除了報案之外,還只會在網站上公告?那我就請問一下,像這個案子後來處理的方式是怎樣?\n\n21\n00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:49,159\n我們的方式是在我們...報警之後因為被害人並不是中研院是被害人是這個民眾所以我們也有跟民眾聯繫請他們提供詳細的被詐騙的資料因為被詐騙資料並不在中研院的手中研院是當然啦你中研院沒被詐騙是說中研院沒有去買這個藥啦\n\n22\n00:07:50,120 --> 00:08:18,780\n但是中央研究院的名號對商標被冒用當然也是受害者啊是,這部分我們就有處理包括我們會跟公平會來做這個舉發就是他有可能會產生這個不是我因為像類似這種案子只會越來越多啦其實我是建議法治這邊應該要擬定一個SOP的啊然後看怎麼樣至少要你們也應該要對外宣傳除了放在網站上之外因為\n\n23\n00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:47,714\n你們的網站可能看人不多啦然後然後也會疏漏嘛剛剛也剛剛那個近代史就是這樣啦所以是不是可以用更積極的方式讓大家不要受騙啦我們一收到民眾的來電來詢問我覺得你再研究一下啦是因為有些會來先來詢問我們然後我們都會做非常第一時間就告訴說這可能是詐騙提醒他們謝謝院長然後上次你來的時候我有問你那個陳建仁院長嘛現在在中研院他還開心嗎最近\n\n24\n00:08:50,113 --> 00:08:55,928\n因為我最近看到他本來要去ECFA當特使後來又不能去有沒有?心情有受影響嗎?\n\n25\n00:08:57,264 --> 00:09:23,232\n我相信有遇到他嗎?偶爾在院裡面會看到他的背影,他通常都很忙,跑來跑去,所以我想他應該是生活非常愉快,做研究,因為研究是他最想要做的工作,他也一直再三重生,他是一個研究員。ECFA沒辦法去,有沒有心情受到影響?我不清楚了。你沒問他喔?沒有。OK,好,謝謝。\n\n26\n00:09:25,503 --> 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有心情受到影響?我不清楚了。你沒問他喔?沒有。OK,好,謝謝。\n謝謝欸?結束了齁?\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.231 --> 00:07.474\n麻煩請院長,謝謝。\n\n00:13.824 --> 00:34.961\n業長好業員早你好,我們先來看一下中研院最近編的那個國外的旅費有發現就是它有大幅的成長譬如說你看明年的預算跟今年的都成長非常多今年是9969萬明年是已經到了算是1億6697萬這麼多請問一下這個預算為什麼會膨脹到這麼多\n\n00:43.054 --> 01:03.887\n這個有很多理由那主要我們分兩部分一部分是研究人員的需要由於疫情結束所以全世界這個很多研究人員都必須要到世界各地去跟合作夥伴繼續進行研究那彌補過去4年來的研究的空缺另外一方面國際間對跟台灣\n\n01:06.389 --> 01:33.016\n科學研究的合作興趣也大為提高所以這兩個因素加起來我們的國外旅費的需求就增加我們請主記來講一下跟委員報告一下就是在編列的時候114是參考12年的執行情況那12的時候是剛好因為111的時候疫情結束12就恢復到正常的水準所以在編列的時候就參照112的執行數來做編列以上\n\n01:34.375 --> 01:48.363\n好,所以你講說膨脹那麼多是因為國外研究的需求是不是?然後跟去國外的交流嘛。但是這個部分你看那個大陸的旅費就很少。你去大陸大概是450萬左右。這個比率非常低啊。\n\n01:49.178 --> 02:12.743\n那現在是到底是因為什麼原因?是大陸比較沒有什麼學術的?倒不是倒不是那還是說兩岸的氛圍不好還是抗中的原因怎樣?這些我們的經費編列都是由下而上根據研究人員研究的需求所以可見就是說你們現在對於研究大陸兩岸的這部分其實是沒有什麼興趣的\n\n02:13.163 --> 02:15.486\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府函．為11\n\n02:32.273 --> 02:34.414\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案。\n\n02:53.494 --> 03:12.111\n業委員好,那個是寫的是我們最初簽約的時間,所以其實我們一直都還有在簽約。就沒有簽新的約了嘛。最近還跟北京大學的那個歷史系序約,還沒有寫上去,剛剛已經簽訂了。我們了解好像2018年還有一個跟法國的有簽約,也沒有寫上去。\n\n03:12.811 --> 03:30.019\n所以這個網站是內部參考還是不好意思我們應該要跟著你的但不管怎麼樣啦就算把2018年那個法國寫上去或者是您剛剛講跟北京簽約但我們看起來就是從2016年之後新簽約的就是比較少嘛\n\n03:30.459 --> 03:48.841\n還有新的都沒放上去日本的中央文庫也剛剛進行都沒有放上去很抱歉我覺得因為大家都知道中研院的近代史研究所其實在研究中國近代史還包括像228、清代史其實都非常有名而且是很有成就\n\n03:49.542 --> 03:52.863\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關\n\n04:06.647 --> 04:07.768\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案\n\n04:36.892 --> 05:00.838\n的表現怎樣怎樣怎樣其實對台灣對我們中澳民國也不利嗎委員我非常贊成您說您說的非常的好其實這也是他們有點不願意跟我們交流的原因他不希望這個近代史史觀受到我們研究的影響是啦那你也可以那你也可以研究完之後你也可以研究完之後去跟他們以外的國家去做交流嘛讓其他國家知道說完全同意委員說的謝謝您說的\n\n05:03.199 --> 05:31.698\n為什麼說你看到說我們加強對國際的合作的這個的原因很大一部分就是這個但是問題是問題是你們你們現在我不知道你們研究在這一塊還有沒有深入啦有沒有去對國外做交流不知道非常深入的研究所我剛才講的最近幾年國際上特別是跟台灣在文史方面特別近代史這塊跟台灣的合作興趣是非常高就像剛才雷首長講的\n\n05:32.758 --> 05:54.638\n我覺得因為之前大家都好像講到中國大陸好像就很害怕啦那既然賴總統已經講中華民國113年我覺得我們就放手去研究去告訴人家過去40幾年對不對我們對抗戰或我們做了多少這個對世界有貢獻的事情嘛宣揚中華民國的價值這塊可以多做啦好然後再來齁\n\n05:56.039 --> 06:10.923\n我們因為中央研究院生育卓著,所以經常被冒名。像這新聞就是有人冒用中央研究院的名號,就是說治療糖尿病新發現,然後就說這個是中央研究院研究的,然後要大家去買他的藥。\n\n06:12.964 --> 06:14.946\n我們有請法治處跟制裁處做很完整的處理請事務處長說明。\n\n06:45.659 --> 07:01.455\n是,委員好,我是制裁處處長那針對這一類型的詐騙我們會有的處理方式除了直接到我們零件派出所做通報之外我們也在我們自己的網站上做公告希望能夠讓受害有可能潛在受害的民眾知道說這是一種詐騙但這種情況確實是這個層出不窮\n\n07:07.040 --> 07:29.600\n大概平均一個月會幾件?倒沒有到一個月幾件,我講了因為中央有很多新的技術,他都有可能變成是有一年幾件?一年我們大概會遇到3、4、5件。那除了報案之外,還只會在網站上公告?那我就請問一下,像這個案子後來處理的方式是怎樣?\n\n07:30.160 --> 07:49.159\n我們的方式是在我們...報警之後因為被害人並不是中研院是被害人是這個民眾所以我們也有跟民眾聯繫請他們提供詳細的被詐騙的資料因為被詐騙資料並不在中研院的手中研院是當然啦你中研院沒被詐騙是說中研院沒有去買這個藥啦\n\n07:50.120 --> 08:18.780\n但是中央研究院的名號對商標被冒用當然也是受害者啊是,這部分我們就有處理包括我們會跟公平會來做這個舉發就是他有可能會產生這個不是我因為像類似這種案子只會越來越多啦其實我是建議法治這邊應該要擬定一個SOP的啊然後看怎麼樣至少要你們也應該要對外宣傳除了放在網站上之外因為\n\n08:20.000 --> 08:47.714\n你們的網站可能看人不多啦然後然後也會疏漏嘛剛剛也剛剛那個近代史就是這樣啦所以是不是可以用更積極的方式讓大家不要受騙啦我們一收到民眾的來電來詢問我覺得你再研究一下啦是因為有些會來先來詢問我們然後我們都會做非常第一時間就告訴說這可能是詐騙提醒他們謝謝院長然後上次你來的時候我有問你那個陳建仁院長嘛現在在中研院他還開心嗎最近\n\n08:50.113 --> 08:55.928\n因為我最近看到他本來要去ECFA當特使後來又不能去有沒有?心情有受影響嗎?\n\n08:57.264 --> 09:23.232\n我相信有遇到他嗎?偶爾在院裡面會看到他的背影,他通常都很忙,跑來跑去,所以我想他應該是生活非常愉快,做研究,因為研究是他最想要做的工作,他也一直再三重生,他是一個研究員。ECFA沒辦法去,有沒有心情受到影響?我不清楚了。你沒問他喔?沒有。OK,好,謝謝。\n\n09:25.503 --> 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