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ka cayli ku kikake ku akaungane si apelaelane ku arakaiyane ku paisu。"],["曾主任委員智勇：114 ka cayli ku kikake ku akaungane si apelaelane ku arakaiyane ku paisu。"],["盧委員縣一：我希望你寫了這個標題，你還是要去唸一下，說不定所有的族群會問你。"],["曾主任委員智勇：好。"],["盧委員縣一：那我們回到我們的重點，就是族群委員的問題，因為之前紛紛擾擾，那你可以告訴我你希望的族群委員的定義是什麼嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：跟委員報告，原民會從85年成立以來就有所謂的族群委員，各個族群都有一個族群委員，那麼這個族群委員，我們從以前……"],["盧委員縣一：我想問你的是你希望他是呈現……你用一兩句話來說明。"],["曾主任委員智勇：我希望這個族群委員是我們跟部落的橋梁，希望他了解他自己族群的問題。"],["盧委員縣一：我希望他是一個族群的外交官，代表我們整個族群。"],["曾主任委員智勇：對，然後不管……"],["盧委員縣一：可是現在我們在看的時候就沒有具有代表性，那為什麼會產生這樣的問題？大家吵來吵去最主要的根源就是在上一屆，我們講第10屆好了，那時候民進黨是絕對多數，我們無從置喙，這次是我們相對稍微多了一點，你們有沒有徵詢我們所有7位原住民立委說你能不能提出一些推薦的人選，你們都沒有問，第一個，你們沒有問嘛！所以全部都變成民進黨委員的一個……類似他推薦的一個過程。"],["曾主任委員智勇：跟委員報告，我們有很多是他可以自薦，也可以地方的民族議會來推薦，很多方式可以推薦。"],["盧委員縣一：這些我都知道，可是我覺得公平、公正、公開這個部分就沒有做到，因為我們當初在講，其實我私底下也有給你我希望……因為我自己也覺得自己很渺小，我自己是推薦比較小的族群，因為我覺得你們是執政黨，我給你們大一點的，我拿小的，我推薦小的族群，結果你們還是沒所謂公開、公平、公正的原則，所以才會吵到現在這麼大的問題出來。我們當然不希望他們無給職，可是我們希望他們具有代表性，我一直說他是一個族群的外交官那個位階，而不是說現在你拿出來了以後，他們是去做地方的會勘，不然就去做一些什麼代替你出席一些會議，我覺得這個根本就跟他原來的工作性質完全是背道而馳。"],["曾主任委員智勇：他們也有做陳情案的處理，跟委員報告。"],["盧委員縣一：我知道，當然是啦！因為你是主管，你有相當的權限可以指派他的工作，可是就他族群委員這個名稱來說，應該是相對多數要站在他的族群立場在工作。我們先聽看看上一次大家都瘋狂的影片。","（播放影片）"],["盧委員縣一：現在這個影片大概也超過好幾十萬人在看，所以大家也都對族群委員有一個相當的了解，可是我們再看103年到現在你所謂的遴選，都是有什麼熱心族群服務或者是熱心原住民族公益，這些都是非常籠統的東西，所以我是希望它還是回歸到公平、公正、公開的原則來做，這樣你下一屆或者說未來產生族群委員的時候，你就不會那麼傷腦筋。"],["曾主任委員智勇：對，謝謝委員，我想我們可以來修正我們的遴選要點，就是將來怎麼樣遴選，什麼樣的人適合做這樣的工作，但我想要讓我們的族群委員變成無給職，委員你也知道非常辛苦，這不可能，因為我們的幅員這麼樣的遼闊。"],["盧委員縣一：對，我的認知是這樣子，所以我希望它能夠按照這個原則，然後真的是代表這個族群，我們就願意讓他成為我們的族群委員，可以嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：好。"],["盧委員縣一：為什麼這一屆會有這麼大的問題，你要去思考，去改變它。"],["曾主任委員智勇：是。"],["盧委員縣一：再來講到長照，我最近收到一個衛福部的公文，因為曾經我有提案過，希望在原住民地區布建住宿式的長照機構，然後這個會議也開完了，10月25號開完了，我看到他們的會議紀錄還是只有給我跟伍麗華，沒有給你們，他們開他們的，你們做你們的，你們永遠沒有機會再聊這些未來住宿型的長照機構。比方來說，我們上次陳情的是屏東的住宿型長照機構，他是原住民的經營者，結果一談發現屏東縣已經是超出它所謂的資源，它超出的床數大概二千多床，所以屏東縣根本就沒有機會來做原住民長照的住宿型機構，那這樣我們就要擺在那邊嗎？這些事情就不要解決嗎？所以衛福部開這種會你們沒有列席，這樣不是很奇怪嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：有啊！我們的處長有去參加這個會議。"],["盧委員縣一：有去嗎？好，那處長你告訴我你的想法。"],["羅處長赫踛：跟委員報告，在這會議當中大概有幾個結論，因為現在的住宿型機構，它大概要一個小時的路程，就還是要離醫院一個小時的路程為主，但是在那會議當中，有特別訂定花蓮瑞穗衛生所那邊會先做一個試辦，試辦成功之後才會推廣到屏東縣，但是我們也希望建議他將來在開這種住宿型的機構，主管機關……"],["盧委員縣一：我們講屏東，因為主委非常清楚屏東，我們屏東想要申請的這家機構是在瑪家鄉，瑪家鄉相鄰的屏東市、長治跟內埔都是相對醫療資源多的地方，可是我們今天不是在看醫療資源，是看這個長照機構是我們原住民需要的，比如說他是有文化敏感度的，他是我們原住民的一些長照人才，可是如果你要用到……希望把什麼內埔鄉、長治鄉的稍微改變一下就變成原住民的長照機構，裡面可能一些空間給他們，但這個就不是我們需求的，所以可能你們在討論這些長照住宿型機構的時候，應該要強烈的要求要有我們原住民式的長照機構，好不好？"],["羅處長赫踛：我們會協助。"],["盧委員縣一：好，因為時間的關係，我再講我們的語推人才一直都補不到人，目前還是缺30幾個，也就是說我們希望……這邊是寫152員，然後現在都還是在119，你覺得問題出在哪裡？已經5年過去了。"],["曾主任委員智勇：我跟委員報告，都會地區確實是很難找，因為他們都有固定的工作，但是現在我們在想教國小的其實通過中高級的族語認證就可以來當老師了，這樣的話，慢慢來解決這個問題。"],["盧委員縣一：所以你的條件，比如待遇或者是他的遴選條件或者是說這些能不能再檢討……"],["曾主任委員智勇：我們放寬。"],["盧委員縣一：再放寬？"],["曾主任委員智勇：在都會區再放寬。"],["盧委員縣一：最後一個問題就是名字的問題，這是我們排灣族的，我相信你應該理解，那你希望是哪一個？1？2？3？1.saljeng lja tjuleng？2.saljeng tjuleng？3.ti saljeng a lja tjuleng？"],["曾主任委員智勇：第二個比較簡單，也比較順。"],["盧委員縣一：好，這個有所謂文化關係的意見要徵詢，結果我們沒有被徵詢到，那到底是誰參加這個會議？"],["曾主任委員智勇：我們主要是邀請語推的老師，還有耆老，沒有邀請到民意代表，這點很抱歉，我想我們會再……"],["盧委員縣一：我是希望能夠發文到辦公室，我們可以派我們的專業人才參加，好不好？"],["曾主任委員智勇：好。"],["盧委員縣一：你跟我的意見一樣是第二個，好不好？謝謝。"],["曾主任委員智勇：是，謝謝。"],["主席：我們請高金素梅委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":282,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-8","speakers":["張宏陸","麥玉珍","王美惠","黃建賓","黃捷","牛煦庭","李柏毅","盧縣一","高金素梅","徐欣瑩","蘇巧慧","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","黃國昌","張智倫","林倩綺","吳琪銘","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","陳瑩","許宇甄","黃仁","丁學忠"],"page_start":165,"meetingDate":["2024-11-11"],"gazette_id":"1139601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139601_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查 114年度中\n央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分；三、審查 114年度中央政府\n總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金─原住民族綜合發展基金；\n四、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發\n展基金會114年度預算書案；五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會單位預\n算","agenda_id":"1139601_00003"}}}