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00:00:22,472\n高金素梅本席代表召委我上一次的召委在這裡要謝謝內政委員會包括啟祿召委你們都非常支持進法補償雖然到了最後我們的卓榮泰院長有一點意見但是也終於在七七四十九天也完成了我們立法院交付的三讀的任務\n\n2\n00:00:23,277 --> 00:00:24,137\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n3\n00:00:50,470 --> 00:00:52,251\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n4\n00:01:06,616 --> 00:01:28,196\n禁法補償將以追加預算的方式辦理這是最適宜的解決方法對不對所謂的追加預算就是不管是114年度或是115年度或是以後全部都在公務預算裡面編一公頃六萬塊你要不要謝謝大家\n\n5\n00:01:28,636 --> 00:01:50,126\n當然這個要謝謝我們所有原住民的立委還有平地的立委也謝謝委員一直以來對這個事情的關心那麼後來這個事情是要謝謝卓院長更要謝謝韓院長三黨來來做一個最後做一個協商那做成這樣大家都能夠\n\n6\n00:01:51,146 --> 00:01:55,248\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n7\n00:02:14,976 --> 00:02:34,763\n雖然我們的要求很簡單就是要求行政院依法行政所以他也提懂了為什麼立法委員要堅守我們的立場因為是在立法院三讀通過的法律案這當中有非常多的辯論就不用在今天提了因為今天呢我們是要來看你們的預算\n\n8\n00:02:35,743 --> 00:02:40,286\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n9\n00:02:58,900 --> 00:03:00,621\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n10\n00:03:18,928 --> 00:03:25,534\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n11\n00:03:43,451 --> 00:04:10,060\n幾場都寫得很清楚他預期的效益寫得很清楚還有往年他相同或類似計畫的具體績效他補助委辦的原因然後指定補助或者是委辦對象理由寫得很清楚你看密密麻麻他只有450萬來看原民會第二頁花500萬要辦理原住民日會慶活動你只有三句話就要跟人民拿500萬\n\n12\n00:04:12,403 --> 00:04:13,464\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n13\n00:04:32,133 --> 00:04:33,714\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n14\n00:04:49,656 --> 00:04:53,998\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n15\n00:05:06,141 --> 00:05:08,863\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n16\n00:05:28,140 --> 00:05:32,483\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n17\n00:05:48,436 --> 00:05:49,817\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n18\n00:06:19,676 --> 00:06:22,738\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n19\n00:06:40,752 --> 00:06:43,975\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n20\n00:06:59,429 --> 00:07:05,171\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n21\n00:07:27,094 --> 00:07:50,189\n主委你看到了沒有這就是你要領導的你的團隊啊再來看一下44頁傳統領域的調查從陳水扁時代96年就開始了也是本席我在這個地方到現在已經多少年了23年了我們每年要花800萬辦理傳統領域調查工作做完了沒有\n\n22\n00:07:52,123 --> 00:07:56,587\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n23\n00:08:15,818 --> 00:08:18,759\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n24\n00:08:40,243 --> 00:08:44,806\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n25\n00:09:06,567 --> 00:09:20,161\n你們看到我剛剛怎麼樣來質詢主委了吧我剛剛聽到好多的委員在這邊講你們好像是個體戶耶各做各的耶你們的預算是來自於原民會編給你們兩位基金會是不是如此與法會做了很多事情是不是\n\n26\n00:09:24,847 --> 00:09:28,450\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n27\n00:09:50,219 --> 00:09:58,709\n主委你們是不是應該跟族人道歉該給你們的預算給你們了該要求你們做的政策做了為什麼還是如此你們是不是要檢討你們的預算我們真的要讓你通過嗎\n\n28\n00:10:05,911 --> 00:10:09,813\n所以今天不是不讓你們通過我僅僅的要求你們比照農業不一樣一筆一筆的細算告訴我們你們要做什麼什麼時候達到預期的目標是什麼這次為什麼不是你們做然後做不好的原因在哪裡你們這樣子才能夠滾動式的檢討嘛不是每一年來這邊你們給我們的預算書都是一模一樣我看到23年啦\n\n29\n00:10:32,433 --> 00:10:43,941\n記住我今年會好好的審你們的預算看你們的制度跟預算還有立法委員在這邊努力要求你們做的通過的一些法案你們有沒有真正銜接好因為今天時間真的有限這個原基會還有與發會你們兩個要努力\n\n30\n00:10:51,286 --> 00:10:54,748\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n31\n00:11:13,004 --> 00:11:23,451\n至少兩個月一次那為什麼連女方會已經產生出我們的姓名條例各族的這樣我們還會發生這種離譜的事情我們會檢討檢討好不好還有我們的屏東的文化發展中心你們三個聽好我今天要求原民會的本預算公務預算要做好每一個細部每一筆錢要做什麼事情你們回去的時候也給我比照辦理我相信趙薇馬上就會排審你們的預算\n\n32\n00:11:42,003 --> 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各做各的耶你們的預算是來自於原民會編給你們兩位基金會是不是如此與法會做了很多事情是不是\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n主委你們是不是應該跟族人道歉該給你們的預算給你們了該要求你們做的政策做了為什麼還是如此你們是不是要檢討你們的預算我們真的要讓你通過嗎\n所以今天不是不讓你們通過我僅僅的要求你們比照農業不一樣一筆一筆的細算告訴我們你們要做什麼什麼時候達到預期的目標是什麼這次為什麼不是你們做然後做不好的原因在哪裡你們這樣子才能夠滾動式的檢討嘛不是每一年來這邊你們給我們的預算書都是一模一樣我看到23年啦\n記住我今年會好好的審你們的預算看你們的制度跟預算還有立法委員在這邊努力要求你們做的通過的一些法案你們有沒有真正銜接好因為今天時間真的有限這個原基會還有與發會你們兩個要努力\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n至少兩個月一次那為什麼連女方會已經產生出我們的姓名條例各族的這樣我們還會發生這種離譜的事情我們會檢討檢討好不好還有我們的屏東的文化發展中心你們三個聽好我今天要求原民會的本預算公務預算要做好每一個細部每一筆錢要做什麼事情你們回去的時候也給我比照辦理我相信趙薇馬上就會排審你們的預算\n到時候讓全國的族人、全國的老百姓看清楚我們的納稅錢你們有沒有花在刀口上不要以為今年就很好過你們今年會非常的不好過因為我把我全力的精神會放在原民會的預算上面好嗎?謝謝丁薛忠、丁薛忠、丁薛忠委員不在我們請徐欣怡委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.209 --> 00:22.472\n高金素梅本席代表召委我上一次的召委在這裡要謝謝內政委員會包括啟祿召委你們都非常支持進法補償雖然到了最後我們的卓榮泰院長有一點意見但是也終於在七七四十九天也完成了我們立法院交付的三讀的任務\n\n00:23.277 --> 00:24.137\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n00:50.470 --> 00:52.251\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n01:06.616 --> 01:28.196\n禁法補償將以追加預算的方式辦理這是最適宜的解決方法對不對所謂的追加預算就是不管是114年度或是115年度或是以後全部都在公務預算裡面編一公頃六萬塊你要不要謝謝大家\n\n01:28.636 --> 01:50.126\n當然這個要謝謝我們所有原住民的立委還有平地的立委也謝謝委員一直以來對這個事情的關心那麼後來這個事情是要謝謝卓院長更要謝謝韓院長三黨來來做一個最後做一個協商那做成這樣大家都能夠\n\n01:51.146 --> 01:55.248\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n02:14.976 --> 02:34.763\n雖然我們的要求很簡單就是要求行政院依法行政所以他也提懂了為什麼立法委員要堅守我們的立場因為是在立法院三讀通過的法律案這當中有非常多的辯論就不用在今天提了因為今天呢我們是要來看你們的預算\n\n02:35.743 --> 02:40.286\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n02:58.900 --> 03:00.621\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n03:18.928 --> 03:25.534\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n03:43.451 --> 04:10.060\n幾場都寫得很清楚他預期的效益寫得很清楚還有往年他相同或類似計畫的具體績效他補助委辦的原因然後指定補助或者是委辦對象理由寫得很清楚你看密密麻麻他只有450萬來看原民會第二頁花500萬要辦理原住民日會慶活動你只有三句話就要跟人民拿500萬\n\n04:12.403 --> 04:13.464\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n04:32.133 --> 04:33.714\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n04:49.656 --> 04:53.998\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n05:06.141 --> 05:08.863\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n05:28.140 --> 05:32.483\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n05:48.436 --> 05:49.817\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n06:19.676 --> 06:22.738\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n06:40.752 --> 06:43.975\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n06:59.429 --> 07:05.171\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n07:27.094 --> 07:50.189\n主委你看到了沒有這就是你要領導的你的團隊啊再來看一下44頁傳統領域的調查從陳水扁時代96年就開始了也是本席我在這個地方到現在已經多少年了23年了我們每年要花800萬辦理傳統領域調查工作做完了沒有\n\n07:52.123 --> 07:56.587\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n08:15.818 --> 08:18.759\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n08:40.243 --> 08:44.806\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n09:06.567 --> 09:20.161\n你們看到我剛剛怎麼樣來質詢主委了吧我剛剛聽到好多的委員在這邊講你們好像是個體戶耶各做各的耶你們的預算是來自於原民會編給你們兩位基金會是不是如此與法會做了很多事情是不是\n\n09:24.847 --> 09:28.450\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n09:50.219 --> 09:58.709\n主委你們是不是應該跟族人道歉該給你們的預算給你們了該要求你們做的政策做了為什麼還是如此你們是不是要檢討你們的預算我們真的要讓你通過嗎\n\n10:05.911 --> 10:09.813\n所以今天不是不讓你們通過我僅僅的要求你們比照農業不一樣一筆一筆的細算告訴我們你們要做什麼什麼時候達到預期的目標是什麼這次為什麼不是你們做然後做不好的原因在哪裡你們這樣子才能夠滾動式的檢討嘛不是每一年來這邊你們給我們的預算書都是一模一樣我看到23年啦\n\n10:32.433 --> 10:43.941\n記住我今年會好好的審你們的預算看你們的制度跟預算還有立法委員在這邊努力要求你們做的通過的一些法案你們有沒有真正銜接好因為今天時間真的有限這個原基會還有與發會你們兩個要努力\n\n10:51.286 --> 10:54.748\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n11:13.004 --> 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