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00:02:14,365\n上次我對於在院內做原住民族相關的主題有一些了解那你們跟學校的結合我這邊也做了比較深入的參與所以我想了解一下在這個知識體系的建設你們其實做了不少的貢獻但是在知識體系的運用不知道院內在這個部分有沒有去了解一下你們的結構比或者是實際的狀況\n\n7\n00:02:16,624 --> 00:02:41,854\n目前進行主要是兩個面向一個是在文化人文方面有民族所另外原住民族有很多固有的一些醫療上的一些應用好謝謝那如果說醫療我想跟你請教一下你們這個整個數據比例在這裡面的一個整理請問營生就是你們所謂的醫療嗎還是營生這個詞\n\n8\n00:02:45,315 --> 00:03:09,625\n在你們的報告裡面我現在一下子沒有辦法把應該你們報告裡面你們去看你們整理出來的原住民的相關的那個數據好我直接講了那個在這個原住民的知識推廣的這個部分我先講一下你們的比例大部分你們都集中在民族跟社會所那人文社會的這個研究你們大概在院裡面的比例佔了6.73%\n\n9\n00:03:11,306 --> 00:03:23,700\n同時相較於其他的生科跟那個數科大概11.75跟11.81其實有很大的一個落差那如果原住民的部分都還集中在人文社會裡面的話你們可能要去計算一下這裡面的差異這個是我要\n\n10\n00:03:26,223 --> 00:03:26,243\n獲獎獎項目\n\n11\n00:03:48,348 --> 00:04:13,565\n當然我知道你們生科也做了一些那接下來我要談的是這個應用的層面跟計轉的部分我覺得你們可以去思考就你們固有的想法從來很少去做這個連結我想我現在問這個數據搞不好一都沒有但是當我們講到計轉後面也要講但我擔心時間不夠所以在前面先跟你們講計轉這樣一個概念在原住民的主題上你們去怎麼思考的\n\n12\n00:04:13,965 --> 00:04:14,806\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關\n\n13\n00:04:43,866 --> 00:04:47,304\n中研院裡面原住民籍的研究員大概有多少?專任兼任?\n\n14\n00:04:50,929 --> 00:05:17,634\n嗯...這個...哇,等你們跑完,都來不及了。民主所報告在我們所是正式的有一位,那那個...兼任的有兩位嗎?然後博士生有很多位,是吧?然後剛才我聽到有其他委員對你們這個博士生的鼓勵、獎勵,我這邊也是支持啦,就希望你們能夠在這個部分能夠再多強化一些,因為我們講上次我聽到原住民的學生,大部分在東部的也蠻多的,\n\n15\n00:05:18,154 --> 00:05:24,479\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院函．為11二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院函．為11二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關\n\n16\n00:05:40,811 --> 00:06:01,128\n那我就直接從原住民這邊那再接續到接下來這個主題不過如果問原住民籍的院士有幾個我想可能有我相信未來都會有我們就朝這個目標去邁進所以第二個部分我們來談一下剛才有委員提到你們量子的部分是做得還蠻不錯的\n\n17\n00:06:03,130 --> 00:06:10,166\n在院內是不是做過這個無失在我們應該是民主所嘛做過無失的這個研究嘛對吧那你們曾經想過當然\n\n18\n00:06:13,713 --> 00:06:42,332\n簡單整理啦我們在台灣的研究的這個部分齁占很大經費的都是所謂的硬體但是我覺得這個缺口經常是軟體做了一些但是軟體的應用跟處理我們做的好像也稍微有點比較欠缺這怎麼說呢請問你們在做這個量子的這個區塊齁我們講說你們有思考過量子的糾結或量子的疊加跟巫師這個系統在現代性的一個呈現有可能有什麼連結嗎\n\n19\n00:06:43,353 --> 00:06:45,194\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案\n\n20\n00:07:05,505 --> 00:07:30,963\n主題上當然我們可能在太空時間是不太可能有這個位置去談的但是在我們所謂原住民的區塊或傳統的區塊有沒有可能在現代性的實質科學研究去處理到這個未來搞不好可以走出一條很有趣的路的主題院長您的看法呢可以思考看看這部分確實我們努力的比較少但是確實可以思考看看\n\n21\n00:07:32,181 --> 00:07:58,241\n當然這個是內容的這部分啦所以我丟給你們一些可能性好那科研的應用跟這個跟社會的連結除了在原住民的部分那上回我有跟你們提出一個問題AI對我而言其實大家都會跟著一些口號講但是對我們曾經投入過的人其實那個問題就是說請問他跟非常強大的電腦計算的差異在哪裡\n\n22\n00:07:59,851 --> 00:08:28,225\n當然你們現在可能也沒有機會回答這個問題可是我當然一直很希望我的問題能夠被回應因為它不是一言兩語可以講完的所以除了在硬體的部分占很大的經費但在軟體跟應用跟傳統的連結上我覺得院裡面作為最高的研究單位是不是有機會雖然我們一天到晚談整合一天到晚談跨域那到底我們整合了多少跨域了多少\n\n23\n00:08:30,186 --> 00:08:56,207\n所以院長好這個我簡單說明這確實這是一個非常重要但是有非常複雜的問題那我們院裡面做所有的這方面的AI的工作幾乎所有都是跨域所有都是整合所以它是無形的進行當中而不是特別說有一個幾個跨域的計劃幾個整合的計劃幾乎所有的AI的研究都是跨域都是整合\n\n24\n00:08:56,667 --> 00:08:59,749\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n25\n00:09:15,532 --> 00:09:17,895\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院科學研究院函．為11\n\n26\n00:09:37,095 --> 00:10:00,376\n確實正如委員講的我們在計轉的考量並不是以計轉金的高低作為唯一的標準而是希望說這個技術能夠貢獻於社會那怎麼樣讓更多人能夠更有效率的用到這個技術這是我們最主要的考量而不是像一般公司行號是以他的這個計轉金作為唯一的考量\n\n27\n00:10:02,198 --> 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跨域都是整合\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究基金附屬單位預算案。\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院科學研究院函．為11\n確實正如委員講的我們在計轉的考量並不是以計轉金的高低作為唯一的標準而是希望說這個技術能夠貢獻於社會那怎麼樣讓更多人能夠更有效率的用到這個技術這是我們最主要的考量而不是像一般公司行號是以他的這個計轉金作為唯一的考量\n謝謝院長最後一個提醒就是那對於人才回流跟人才培育跟人才工作的平台我希望中央院這邊能夠再多加考量好謝謝好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:10.021\n議員主席\n\n00:21.645 --> 00:46.502\n林委員好院長好中研院是我們國家最高的研究機構我們在整個的研究的還有科技創新的部分是我們很重要的一環資源的配置還有資源配置的精準跟成效的方向是我們努力的一個目標今天我針對三個主題來進行一些質詢希望能夠有一些明確的回應\n\n00:48.003 --> 01:06.270\n當我們今年在談在這邊談那個113年的跟114年的這個相關的這個預算那我想先請教一個不免俗的先問一下一個預算執行的問題那我們目前執行率是84.42那這個部分是在我們以往的這個時間序是正常的嗎?\n\n01:09.161 --> 01:19.255\n到年底可能還會增加因為有一些這個預算正在執行當中所以這個年度上這樣子是是這個應該是正常的請主席再說明一下\n\n01:22.632 --> 01:48.161\n跟委員報告一下目前因為執行只算到九月底那到年底的時候執行率會再提高那預計每年大概都會執行到九成五以上以上好的好謝謝所以我這邊是做一個提醒所以在這邊也會反映到114年度是不是能夠整個順利的推動那這個就請相關的主管來做一下留意那另外一個是原住民族知識的這我就進入今天的這個主題原住民族知識的這個推廣\n\n01:50.563 --> 02:14.365\n上次我對於在院內做原住民族相關的主題有一些了解那你們跟學校的結合我這邊也做了比較深入的參與所以我想了解一下在這個知識體系的建設你們其實做了不少的貢獻但是在知識體系的運用不知道院內在這個部分有沒有去了解一下你們的結構比或者是實際的狀況\n\n02:16.624 --> 02:41.854\n目前進行主要是兩個面向一個是在文化人文方面有民族所另外原住民族有很多固有的一些醫療上的一些應用好謝謝那如果說醫療我想跟你請教一下你們這個整個數據比例在這裡面的一個整理請問營生就是你們所謂的醫療嗎還是營生這個詞\n\n02:45.315 --> 03:09.625\n在你們的報告裡面我現在一下子沒有辦法把應該你們報告裡面你們去看你們整理出來的原住民的相關的那個數據好我直接講了那個在這個原住民的知識推廣的這個部分我先講一下你們的比例大部分你們都集中在民族跟社會所那人文社會的這個研究你們大概在院裡面的比例佔了6.73%\n\n03:11.306 --> 03:23.700\n同時相較於其他的生科跟那個數科大概11.75跟11.81其實有很大的一個落差那如果原住民的部分都還集中在人文社會裡面的話你們可能要去計算一下這裡面的差異這個是我要\n\n03:26.223 --> 03:26.243\n獲獎獎項目\n\n03:48.348 --> 04:13.565\n當然我知道你們生科也做了一些那接下來我要談的是這個應用的層面跟計轉的部分我覺得你們可以去思考就你們固有的想法從來很少去做這個連結我想我現在問這個數據搞不好一都沒有但是當我們講到計轉後面也要講但我擔心時間不夠所以在前面先跟你們講計轉這樣一個概念在原住民的主題上你們去怎麼思考的\n\n04:13.965 --> 04:14.806\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關\n\n04:43.866 --> 04:47.304\n中研院裡面原住民籍的研究員大概有多少?專任兼任?\n\n04:50.929 --> 05:17.634\n嗯...這個...哇,等你們跑完,都來不及了。民主所報告在我們所是正式的有一位,那那個...兼任的有兩位嗎?然後博士生有很多位,是吧?然後剛才我聽到有其他委員對你們這個博士生的鼓勵、獎勵,我這邊也是支持啦,就希望你們能夠在這個部分能夠再多強化一些,因為我們講上次我聽到原住民的學生,大部分在東部的也蠻多的,\n\n05:18.154 --> 05:24.479\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院函．為11二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院函．為11二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關\n\n05:40.811 --> 06:01.128\n那我就直接從原住民這邊那再接續到接下來這個主題不過如果問原住民籍的院士有幾個我想可能有我相信未來都會有我們就朝這個目標去邁進所以第二個部分我們來談一下剛才有委員提到你們量子的部分是做得還蠻不錯的\n\n06:03.130 --> 06:10.166\n在院內是不是做過這個無失在我們應該是民主所嘛做過無失的這個研究嘛對吧那你們曾經想過當然\n\n06:13.713 --> 06:42.332\n簡單整理啦我們在台灣的研究的這個部分齁占很大經費的都是所謂的硬體但是我覺得這個缺口經常是軟體做了一些但是軟體的應用跟處理我們做的好像也稍微有點比較欠缺這怎麼說呢請問你們在做這個量子的這個區塊齁我們講說你們有思考過量子的糾結或量子的疊加跟巫師這個系統在現代性的一個呈現有可能有什麼連結嗎\n\n06:43.353 --> 06:45.194\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案\n\n07:05.505 --> 07:30.963\n主題上當然我們可能在太空時間是不太可能有這個位置去談的但是在我們所謂原住民的區塊或傳統的區塊有沒有可能在現代性的實質科學研究去處理到這個未來搞不好可以走出一條很有趣的路的主題院長您的看法呢可以思考看看這部分確實我們努力的比較少但是確實可以思考看看\n\n07:32.181 --> 07:58.241\n當然這個是內容的這部分啦所以我丟給你們一些可能性好那科研的應用跟這個跟社會的連結除了在原住民的部分那上回我有跟你們提出一個問題AI對我而言其實大家都會跟著一些口號講但是對我們曾經投入過的人其實那個問題就是說請問他跟非常強大的電腦計算的差異在哪裡\n\n07:59.851 --> 08:28.225\n當然你們現在可能也沒有機會回答這個問題可是我當然一直很希望我的問題能夠被回應因為它不是一言兩語可以講完的所以除了在硬體的部分占很大的經費但在軟體跟應用跟傳統的連結上我覺得院裡面作為最高的研究單位是不是有機會雖然我們一天到晚談整合一天到晚談跨域那到底我們整合了多少跨域了多少\n\n08:30.186 --> 08:56.207\n所以院長好這個我簡單說明這確實這是一個非常重要但是有非常複雜的問題那我們院裡面做所有的這方面的AI的工作幾乎所有都是跨域所有都是整合所以它是無形的進行當中而不是特別說有一個幾個跨域的計劃幾個整合的計劃幾乎所有的AI的研究都是跨域都是整合\n\n08:56.667 --> 08:59.749\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n09:15.532 --> 09:17.895\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院科學研究院函．為11\n\n09:37.095 --> 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content的部分，我就直接從原住民這邊再接續到接下來這個主題，不過我如果問原住民籍的院士有幾個，我想可能又……所以……"],["廖院長俊智：未來會有。"],["林委員倩綺：我相信未來都會有，我們就朝這個目標去邁進。","第二個部分我們來談一下，剛才有委員提到你們量子部分做得還滿不錯的，在院內民族所是不是做過巫師的研究，對吧？簡單整理臺灣研究的部分，占很大經費的都是所謂的硬體，但是我覺得這個缺口經常是軟體做了一些，但是軟體的應用跟處理你們做得好像也稍微有點欠缺，這怎麼說呢，你們在做量子區塊時，你們有思考過量子糾結或量子疊加跟巫師這個系統在現代性的呈現可能有什麼連結嗎？"],["廖院長俊智：這是非常有趣的問題。"],["林委員倩綺：你除了把我們一直放在博物館裡面、告訴我們說這個東西很好，我已經聽了十幾、二十年，我自己也很認真的在這個部分做了一些內容上的討論。但我發現大概十幾、二十年來，我們對於原住民區塊的研究大概也只能停在這邊，這就是我剛才講的技轉的部分，這技轉有很多個層面，我們在講量子的主題上，當然我們可能在太空時間是不太可能有這個位置去談的，但是，在我們所謂原住民的區塊或傳統的區塊，有沒有可能在現代性的實質科學研究去處理到這個？未來搞不好可以走出一條很有趣的路的主題，院長的看法呢？"],["廖院長俊智：可以思考看看，這部分確實我們努力的比較少，但是可以思考看看。"],["林委員倩綺：這是內容的部分，所以我也丟給你們一些可能性。科研的應用跟社會的連結除了在原住民的部分，上回我也跟你們提出了一個問題，其實大家都會跟著講一些AI口號，但是對我們曾經投入過AI的人來說，請問它跟非常強大的電腦計算其差異在哪裡？你們現在可能也沒有機會回答這個問題，可是我一直很希望我的問題能夠被回應，因為它不是三言兩語可以講完的。","除了在硬體的部分占很大經費外，但在軟體跟應用跟傳統的連結上，我覺得作為最高的研究單位是不是有機會……雖然我們一天到晚談整合、一天到晚談跨域，那到底我們整合了多少、跨域了多少？請問院長。"],["廖院長俊智：好，這個我簡單說明。這確實是一個非常重要但是又非常複雜的問題，我們院裡面所有做這方面AI工作，幾乎所有都是跨域、整合的，所以它是無形的進行當中，而不是特別說有一個或幾個跨域的、整合的計畫，幾乎所有AI的研究都是跨域、都是整合，都是要看臺灣有哪一些優勢。對於實際的應用，我們希望到最後都能夠化有形為無形，大家不知不覺就用在……"],["林委員倩綺：是的，所以我剛才一開始就提醒了，所以在原住民的領域，你就可以看到很多。我剛才提的不是只有原住民領域，而是在我們人文、生科到數理，那到底是怎麼個結合法？所以最後我們談一個數據的問題。你們專利量增加了，但是技轉的數據其實是變低了，整個收入也是變低。當然研究單位不是以利益為考量，但是我們可能可以從這個數據裡面去思考，為什麼會是這樣子的情形？"],["廖院長俊智：確實誠如委員講的，我們在技轉的考量並不是以技轉金的高低作為唯一的標準，而是希望這個技術能夠貢獻於社會，怎麼樣讓更多人能夠更有效率地用到這個技術，這是我們最主要考量，而不是像一般公司行號以技轉金作為唯一的考量。"],["林委員倩綺：好的，謝謝院長。最後一個提醒，對於人才回流、人才培育跟人才工作的平臺，我希望中研院這邊能夠再多加考量，謝謝。"],["廖院長俊智：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝林倩綺委員的質詢。我們現在請張雅琳委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":338,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-8","speakers":["范雲","洪孟楷","柯志恩","葉元之","陳秀寳","葛如鈞","林宜瑾","郭昱晴","萬美玲","吳沛憶","林倩綺","張雅琳","陳培瑜","吳春城","羅智強","翁曉玲","麥玉珍","吳宗憲","羅廷瑋"],"page_start":279,"meetingDate":["2024-11-11"],"gazette_id":"1139901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139901_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請中央研究院院長廖俊智列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查 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