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00:02:12,826\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n8\n00:02:24,341 --> 00:02:37,573\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n9\n00:02:53,143 --> 00:03:01,347\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n10\n00:03:15,171 --> 00:03:22,876\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n11\n00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:38,726\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n12\n00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:01,824\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n13\n00:04:14,203 --> 00:04:16,245\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n14\n00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:50,025\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n15\n00:05:09,192 --> 00:05:30,562\n在9月21號的時候呢我在院會的總諮詢有提出因為不論是巷弄長照站或者是文件站那這些照服員的薪資已經有5年沒有調整了當時我有要求行政院明年一定要為照服員加薪那長照的經費呢是在衛福部我也知道呢這個原民會要去跟衛福部談這個照服員加薪的事情\n\n16\n00:05:30,742 --> 00:05:32,663\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n17\n00:05:49,501 --> 00:05:59,149\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n18\n00:06:19,444 --> 00:06:45,195\n上個會期我也有在這裡跟原文會討論到原文會薪資結構的問題當時我有提到原文會從開始到現在軍公教已經調薪14%了原文會只有在2022年的時候調薪4%而已所以我就主張原文會應該要補齊這個不足的10%當時你們只有說明年可能調薪8%\n\n19\n00:06:46,195 --> 00:06:48,956\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n20\n00:07:07,543 --> 00:07:11,966\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n21\n00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:33,563\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n22\n00:07:41,162 --> 00:08:03,859\n這個就是因為5月在這邊已經有說了我主張就是10%還比較客氣一點講10%而已因為後來7月行政院又加了3%的情況那原民會這個原文會原語會應該要提早因應就是要跟著一起調整那送來的預算書其實加加減減你要跟上腳步其實就是13%\n\n23\n00:08:05,580 --> 00:08:17,946\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n24\n00:08:34,021 --> 00:08:43,730\n這個部分我們在後續年度來規劃主年來把它補齊可以嗎就是追上腳步的意思不是不行只是說這個牽扯到年終啦\n\n25\n00:08:44,639 --> 00:08:46,760\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n26\n00:09:06,823 --> 00:09:10,806\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n27\n00:09:26,169 --> 00:09:28,631\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n28\n00:09:41,407 --> 00:09:56,959\n包委員我個人9月份到加分處報告之後已經跟原委會做了這樣的提醒就是說雖然民營度的預算沒有編列加薪預算可是因為我們給他人事費是夠的所以我可以請他們在民營度的預算裡面也一樣比照加薪的標準來調整他們的薪水\n\n29\n00:09:58,540 --> 00:10:12,829\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年\n\n30\n00:10:27,799 --> 00:10:43,096\n提供原住民族企業的補助將近統計了有9億元那我們有沒有去檢討一下過去我們扶植的這些原住民的企業還有目前的經營的情況我知道那個文斌在這個在經發處\n\n31\n00:10:46,344 --> 00:10:53,571\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n32\n00:11:09,426 --> 00:11:18,310\n有些是經營不善導電關門的我覺得就是說因為我們投入了這些資源其實應該要去追蹤他們的經營狀況那有沒有做過盤點或統計\n\n33\n00:11:22,728 --> 00:11:29,311\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n34\n00:11:44,835 --> 00:11:46,817\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n35\n00:12:03,897 --> 00:12:32,695\n那我想是這樣子因為時間不夠然後我只是就是說最近這你們盤點可能只是最近8年的那我希望把過去的所有的都整理出來那我想這樣子分析也去盤點檢查一下看看裡面分析那個原因不是只有數字而已幾家幾家那個雖然很重要但是我想原因是更重要那你要去看一下裡面有沒有做了又倒倒了又做\n\n36\n00:12:33,095 --> 00:12:34,597\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n37\n00:12:48,131 --> 00:13:01,219\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n38\n00:13:16,641 --> 00:13:41,259\n我們會這樣,我們會跟照委的意見來做好,那至於最後那個少編2萬齁,剛剛說禁法補償,有委員說少編2萬這個很容易讓族人誤解,大家都焦慮了很久,然後也一直罵執政黨我們並沒有因為這個公務預算的編列而讓大家少領2萬元主委你這個要講清楚,你9月我就說6萬就是6萬\n\n39\n00:13:43,180 --> 00:13:50,401\n至於怎麼編的我想這個是大家在這裡意見不同領到的就是6萬元嘛不要這樣嚇唬人家嘛\n\n40\n00:13:52,779 --> 00:14:18,706\n所以主委你要在這邊讓你這個30秒重新講一次就是預算是4萬那也可以從基金公務預算是4萬然後基金可以補2萬那就是加起來就是6萬以前就是循這樣的例來做那麼卓院長更有誠意的就是說跟立法院院長還有各位委員協調結果是\n\n41\n00:14:20,146 --> 00:14:26,368\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n42\n00:14:50,606 --> 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算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n在9月21號的時候呢我在院會的總諮詢有提出因為不論是巷弄長照站或者是文件站那這些照服員的薪資已經有5年沒有調整了當時我有要求行政院明年一定要為照服員加薪那長照的經費呢是在衛福部我也知道呢這個原民會要去跟衛福部談這個照服員加薪的事情\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n上個會期我也有在這裡跟原文會討論到原文會薪資結構的問題當時我有提到原文會從開始到現在軍公教已經調薪14%了原文會只有在2022年的時候調薪4%而已所以我就主張原文會應該要補齊這個不足的10%當時你們只有說明年可能調薪8%\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n這個就是因為5月在這邊已經有說了我主張就是10%還比較客氣一點講10%而已因為後來7月行政院又加了3%的情況那原民會這個原文會原語會應該要提早因應就是要跟著一起調整那送來的預算書其實加加減減你要跟上腳步其實就是13%\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n這個部分我們在後續年度來規劃主年來把它補齊可以嗎就是追上腳步的意思不是不行只是說這個牽扯到年終啦\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n包委員我個人9月份到加分處報告之後已經跟原委會做了這樣的提醒就是說雖然民營度的預算沒有編列加薪預算可是因為我們給他人事費是夠的所以我可以請他們在民營度的預算裡面也一樣比照加薪的標準來調整他們的薪水\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年\n提供原住民族企業的補助將近統計了有9億元那我們有沒有去檢討一下過去我們扶植的這些原住民的企業還有目前的經營的情況我知道那個文斌在這個在經發處\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n有些是經營不善導電關門的我覺得就是說因為我們投入了這些資源其實應該要去追蹤他們的經營狀況那有沒有做過盤點或統計\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n那我想是這樣子因為時間不夠然後我只是就是說最近這你們盤點可能只是最近8年的那我希望把過去的所有的都整理出來那我想這樣子分析也去盤點檢查一下看看裡面分析那個原因不是只有數字而已幾家幾家那個雖然很重要但是我想原因是更重要那你要去看一下裡面有沒有做了又倒倒了又做\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n我們會這樣,我們會跟照委的意見來做好,那至於最後那個少編2萬齁,剛剛說禁法補償,有委員說少編2萬這個很容易讓族人誤解,大家都焦慮了很久,然後也一直罵執政黨我們並沒有因為這個公務預算的編列而讓大家少領2萬元主委你這個要講清楚,你9月我就說6萬就是6萬\n至於怎麼編的我想這個是大家在這裡意見不同領到的就是6萬元嘛不要這樣嚇唬人家嘛\n所以主委你要在這邊讓你這個30秒重新講一次就是預算是4萬那也可以從基金公務預算是4萬然後基金可以補2萬那就是加起來就是6萬以前就是循這樣的例來做那麼卓院長更有誠意的就是說跟立法院院長還有各位委員協調結果是\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.369 --> 00:19.157\n其實我的質詢本來沒有想要講這一題的但是武麗華委員特別提到這個原民會組織法那族群有兩位委員原住民的委員破天荒的提案要刪除族群委員的薪水的這件事情我想我也發表一些意見\n\n00:22.420 --> 00:31.312\n確實在這個所知的部分還有推薦人的部分那確實你們的資料我後來去看了還真的是非常的不精確\n\n00:32.435 --> 00:43.277\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n00:56.960 --> 01:03.343\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n01:19.972 --> 01:24.757\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n01:41.775 --> 01:50.103\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n02:07.719 --> 02:12.826\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n02:24.341 --> 02:37.573\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n02:53.143 --> 03:01.347\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n03:15.171 --> 03:22.876\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n03:28.439 --> 03:38.726\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n03:58.439 --> 04:01.824\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n04:14.203 --> 04:16.245\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n04:41.400 --> 04:50.025\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n05:09.192 --> 05:30.562\n在9月21號的時候呢我在院會的總諮詢有提出因為不論是巷弄長照站或者是文件站那這些照服員的薪資已經有5年沒有調整了當時我有要求行政院明年一定要為照服員加薪那長照的經費呢是在衛福部我也知道呢這個原民會要去跟衛福部談這個照服員加薪的事情\n\n05:30.742 --> 05:32.663\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n05:49.501 --> 05:59.149\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n06:19.444 --> 06:45.195\n上個會期我也有在這裡跟原文會討論到原文會薪資結構的問題當時我有提到原文會從開始到現在軍公教已經調薪14%了原文會只有在2022年的時候調薪4%而已所以我就主張原文會應該要補齊這個不足的10%當時你們只有說明年可能調薪8%\n\n06:46.195 --> 06:48.956\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n07:07.543 --> 07:11.966\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n07:26.520 --> 07:33.563\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n07:41.162 --> 08:03.859\n這個就是因為5月在這邊已經有說了我主張就是10%還比較客氣一點講10%而已因為後來7月行政院又加了3%的情況那原民會這個原文會原語會應該要提早因應就是要跟著一起調整那送來的預算書其實加加減減你要跟上腳步其實就是13%\n\n08:05.580 --> 08:17.946\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n08:34.021 --> 08:43.730\n這個部分我們在後續年度來規劃主年來把它補齊可以嗎就是追上腳步的意思不是不行只是說這個牽扯到年終啦\n\n08:44.639 --> 08:46.760\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n09:06.823 --> 09:10.806\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n09:26.169 --> 09:28.631\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n09:41.407 --> 09:56.959\n包委員我個人9月份到加分處報告之後已經跟原委會做了這樣的提醒就是說雖然民營度的預算沒有編列加薪預算可是因為我們給他人事費是夠的所以我可以請他們在民營度的預算裡面也一樣比照加薪的標準來調整他們的薪水\n\n09:58.540 --> 10:12.829\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年\n\n10:27.799 --> 10:43.096\n提供原住民族企業的補助將近統計了有9億元那我們有沒有去檢討一下過去我們扶植的這些原住民的企業還有目前的經營的情況我知道那個文斌在這個在經發處\n\n10:46.344 --> 10:53.571\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n11:09.426 --> 11:18.310\n有些是經營不善導電關門的我覺得就是說因為我們投入了這些資源其實應該要去追蹤他們的經營狀況那有沒有做過盤點或統計\n\n11:22.728 --> 11:29.311\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n11:44.835 --> 11:46.817\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n12:03.897 --> 12:32.695\n那我想是這樣子因為時間不夠然後我只是就是說最近這你們盤點可能只是最近8年的那我希望把過去的所有的都整理出來那我想這樣子分析也去盤點檢查一下看看裡面分析那個原因不是只有數字而已幾家幾家那個雖然很重要但是我想原因是更重要那你要去看一下裡面有沒有做了又倒倒了又做\n\n12:33.095 --> 12:34.597\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n12:48.131 --> 13:01.219\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n13:16.641 --> 13:41.259\n我們會這樣,我們會跟照委的意見來做好,那至於最後那個少編2萬齁,剛剛說禁法補償,有委員說少編2萬這個很容易讓族人誤解,大家都焦慮了很久,然後也一直罵執政黨我們並沒有因為這個公務預算的編列而讓大家少領2萬元主委你這個要講清楚,你9月我就說6萬就是6萬\n\n13:43.180 --> 13:50.401\n至於怎麼編的我想這個是大家在這裡意見不同領到的就是6萬元嘛不要這樣嚇唬人家嘛\n\n13:52.779 --> 14:18.706\n所以主委你要在這邊讓你這個30秒重新講一次就是預算是4萬那也可以從基金公務預算是4萬然後基金可以補2萬那就是加起來就是6萬以前就是循這樣的例來做那麼卓院長更有誠意的就是說跟立法院院長還有各位委員協調結果是\n\n14:20.146 --> 14:26.368\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n14:50.606 --> 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Kacaw","黃國昌","張智倫","林倩綺","吳琪銘","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","陳瑩","許宇甄","黃仁","丁學忠"],"page_start":165,"meetingDate":["2024-11-11"],"gazette_id":"1139601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139601_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查 114年度中\n央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分；三、審查 114年度中央政府\n總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金─原住民族綜合發展基金；\n四、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發\n展基金會114年度預算書案；五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會單位預\n算","agenda_id":"1139601_00003"}}}