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00:02:45,195\n中央研究院上個會期就是你們有提出一個在2050年的時候其實我們需要的這個電力的需求到5000億度電但是目前只有2800億度這個沒有錯吧是的那你有沒有想過就是說那我們如果說要去推動人工智慧的話那我們的電力需求跟得上嗎\n\n8\n00:02:46,365 --> 00:02:48,187\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案。\n\n9\n00:03:08,947 --> 00:03:33,205\n到8月今年8月我們講實際發電度數不是裝置容量的話大概今年8月大概280多億度而已對大概是說我們用電量的10%左右甚至可能更少我們講的是不是這個這個像這邊是裝置容量不是不是綠能欸我說太陽能太陽能欸那更少沒關係啦那我這些數據告訴你好了不然這樣繞來繞去我跟你講啦就是說\n\n10\n00:03:34,705 --> 00:04:00,871\n經濟部說2025年要到200萬千瓦但是到現在今天為止到8月為止才136遠遠差很多而且太陽能建置的話一開始是最簡單之後會越來越難因為土地取得的問題所以即使到現在已經到136即使經濟部說還要再延後到2026才達成200萬但是我跟你講我個人這樣看覺得可能性太低了因為\n\n11\n00:04:01,471 --> 00:04:04,573\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院函．為11二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院函．為11\n\n12\n00:04:25,723 --> 00:04:26,863\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案\n\n13\n00:04:45,289 --> 00:05:06,337\n我這邊就補充一個就是說因為這些東西不管太陽能風能它都是靠天吃飯它有沒有辦法去彌補這個發電的缺口這是一個很大的問題而且現在民眾抗爭很嚴重土地取得比以前更加困難所以你將來這些綠能的你的發展一定會比之前的速度更慢\n\n14\n00:05:07,417 --> 00:05:10,238\n政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央\n\n15\n00:05:35,928 --> 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