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00:00:28,219\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n3\n00:00:50,458 --> 00:00:54,161\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n4\n00:01:10,894 --> 00:01:13,196\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n5\n00:01:32,230 --> 00:01:39,954\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n6\n00:02:02,136 --> 00:02:15,266\n針對這個部分,剛剛卓院長也特別提到,所以請主委要特別重視這個問題,不要陷卓院長於不義。另外,我再請教您一下,就是有關黨產會在113年度編列了425,000元的預算進行出國考察歐洲國家處理不當的黨產。\n\n7\n00:02:23,712 --> 00:02:28,914\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n8\n00:02:45,002 --> 00:03:00,195\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n9\n00:03:11,525 --> 00:03:24,239\n因為他要賣掉帛琉大飯店所以我們得去看剛剛主委您特別提到說這幾個歐洲國家都有這樣的一個經驗可是我們看了一下行程很多都是參訪當地的遺址那這個跟黨產的這個相關的業務有什麼關係處理黨產沒有辦法跟轉型正義割裂\n\n10\n00:03:30,345 --> 00:03:35,727\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n11\n00:03:55,892 --> 00:04:01,996\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n12\n00:04:22,065 --> 00:04:28,869\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n13\n00:04:47,961 --> 00:05:14,214\n各國的轉型爭議的模式差異極大如果沒有具體的研究方向這樣的考察是毫無意義但今年度完全就繼續編列相關的這個預算正因為各國的狀況差異極大那我剛剛有說嘛讀萬卷書行萬里路再加看網站跟書籍它的資料跟現在現地的狀況其實是有落差的啦那因為各國的狀況不一樣所以必須要去看如果各國都一樣那就看一國就好\n\n14\n00:05:16,141 --> 00:05:19,964\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n15\n00:05:40,977 --> 00:05:50,524\n政局委我也想跟您請教有關這個族群委員的問題剛剛很多委員都有提到那因為113年度有編列2167萬114年度又編列2247萬總共有16位的族群委員那平均每一位可以領多少錢\n\n16\n00:06:00,462 --> 00:06:04,966\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n17\n00:06:15,974 --> 00:06:19,659\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n18\n00:06:33,197 --> 00:07:01,762\n對剛剛主委提到的嘛可能主要的都是會刊的工作或者是一些應該是要提出有關原民會的政策相關的問題嘛那您剛剛提到我想很多委員都有提到事實上這些族群委員很多都在討婚傷喜慶啊那尤其剛剛您提到的這族群委員的推薦人有委員在請教你推薦人結果你說是物質的表示這份名單當中推薦人您看一下有哪些是物質的哪些不是\n\n19\n00:07:04,206 --> 00:07:06,407\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n20\n00:07:31,479 --> 00:07:52,671\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員\n\n21\n00:08:00,964 --> 00:08:03,666\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n22\n00:08:19,882 --> 00:08:21,204\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n23\n00:08:42,544 --> 00:08:52,507\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n24\n00:09:11,993 --> 00:09:22,476\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n25\n00:09:32,418 --> 00:09:53,990\n他下鄉再回到會裡算那請把相關的資料提供給他到底下鄉去哪裡了因為你們族群委員有可能根本不住在這個你們跟你們原民會所在的地方所以他只要來開會是不是就可以出差這相關的資料然後另外再請教您就是有關這個族群委員的健康檢查如果要做健康檢查應該是要請什麼假\n\n26\n00:09:59,822 --> 00:10:12,126\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n27\n00:10:26,863 --> 00:10:37,329\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n\n28\n00:11:00,343 --> 00:11:03,509\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n429\t24256\t主委好我想請教一下主委因為過往政府的這個宣傳的經費都偏重於這個特定的媒體那已經引起大家注意所以卓院長在9月16號接受媒體訪問的時候他有說如果真的有集中在一些標案這個其中在一些廠商的這個問題上他會特別的重視那他也曾經提到他說如果\n24696\t28219\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n50458\t54161\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n70894\t73196\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金\n92230\t99954\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n122136\t135266\t針對這個部分,剛剛卓院長也特別提到,所以請主委要特別重視這個問題,不要陷卓院長於不義。另外,我再請教您一下,就是有關黨產會在113年度編列了425,000元的預算進行出國考察歐洲國家處理不當的黨產。\n143712\t148914\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n165002\t180195\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n191525\t204239\t因為他要賣掉帛琉大飯店所以我們得去看剛剛主委您特別提到說這幾個歐洲國家都有這樣的一個經驗可是我們看了一下行程很多都是參訪當地的遺址那這個跟黨產的這個相關的業務有什麼關係處理黨產沒有辦法跟轉型正義割裂\n210345\t215727\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n235892\t241996\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n262065\t268869\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n287961\t314214\t各國的轉型爭議的模式差異極大如果沒有具體的研究方向這樣的考察是毫無意義但今年度完全就繼續編列相關的這個預算正因為各國的狀況差異極大那我剛剛有說嘛讀萬卷書行萬里路再加看網站跟書籍它的資料跟現在現地的狀況其實是有落差的啦那因為各國的狀況不一樣所以必須要去看如果各國都一樣那就看一國就好\n316141\t319964\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n340977\t350524\t政局委我也想跟您請教有關這個族群委員的問題剛剛很多委員都有提到那因為113年度有編列2167萬114年度又編列2247萬總共有16位的族群委員那平均每一位可以領多少錢\n360462\t364966\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n375974\t379659\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金\n393197\t421762\t對 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員智勇：不算，下鄉才算。"],["許委員宇甄：不算？但是你們的資料是族群委員到你們自己本會開會，你都寫出差。"],["陳主任榮宏：報告委員，那個是因為他那一週是下鄉，然後他再回到會裡面來開會。"],["許委員宇甄：他下鄉再回到會裡算，請把他到底下鄉去哪裡的相關資料提供。"],["曾主任委員智勇：好。"],["許委員宇甄：因為你們族群委員有可能根本不住在你們原民會所在的地方，所以他只要來開會是不是就可以算出差等相關的資料。"],["陳主任榮宏：不是。"],["許委員宇甄：然後另外再請教您有關族群委員如果要做健康檢查應該是要請什麼假？"],["陳主任榮宏：基本上的話要可以請公假，就是……"],["許委員宇甄：做健康檢查可以請公假？"],["陳主任榮宏：就是公務員的部分，他就是有每年……就是要看他的歲數，滿40歲的話就可以請公假1天。"],["許委員宇甄：所以族群委員做健康檢查可以請公假？是不是能夠把相關的法令提供給本席？"],["陳主任榮宏：OK。"],["曾主任委員智勇：好。"],["許委員宇甄：所以在這個部分要麻煩主委，因為族群委員一年你們編列兩千多億的預算，如果他沒有辦法真正達到功能的話……"],["曾主任委員智勇：兩千多萬，不是兩千多億。"],["許委員宇甄：兩千多萬。"],["曾主任委員智勇：對。"],["許委員宇甄：如果他沒有真正的達到功能的話，本席也是建議這個部分一定要幫國家節省公帑，絕對不能做這樣的浪費，以上，謝謝。"],["曾主任委員智勇：謝謝。"],["主席：登記發言委員除不在場者外，其餘均已發言完畢，詢答結束；委員黃仁、高金素梅、丁學忠所提書面質詢列入紀錄，刊登公報；書面質詢和未及答復部分，請相關單位於一週內以書面答復，並副知本會。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":282,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-8","speakers":["張宏陸","麥玉珍","王美惠","黃建賓","黃捷","牛煦庭","李柏毅","盧縣一","高金素梅","徐欣瑩","蘇巧慧","鄭天財Sra 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