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00:01:19,878\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n5\n00:01:39,344 --> 00:01:41,345\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n6\n00:01:59,980 --> 00:02:23,207\n你也沒有納入啊你說你們的法案當中的這個有加強事主責任動檢員的執法賦權提升動物收容強化保護精進寵物產業你又講到捐輸血他們都不需要捐輸血嗎你支不支持犬貓非營利雪庫\n\n7\n00:02:24,827 --> 00:02:44,000\n你支持嗎?簡單回答我支持或不支持?我跟委員做兩個說明有關於像動物的像寵物的相關的這個血庫的部分他是在執行面的一個問題我們今天處理的是一個動保法最上位的法規我現在是針對你的業務報告跟你的法規當中有沒有納入\n\n8\n00:02:44,941 --> 00:02:47,603\n你可以在選一當中單獨立法我也支持我也強力支持你要在動物保護法當中你要稍微提是你要去納入我也沒意見至少你的業務的本頁你從第一頁到第你的簡報到第六頁都在講你到第五頁都在講你整個動物保護的業務跟法\n\n9\n00:03:08,317 --> 00:03:09,858\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n10\n00:03:18,103 --> 00:03:20,705\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n11\n00:03:39,238 --> 00:03:52,759\n公然在這個執行會當中說謊我在執行來二月二十七號我總執行陳建仁院長是生意背景他完全理解我在講什麼他也覺得這個重要而且還請你們農業部三個月內\n\n12\n00:03:54,482 --> 00:04:18,734\n提出公益血庫的規劃方案建立完善軍血政策及管理。好,4月11號這經濟委員會當中我也提出質詢喔也把我的構想再講一次給你們農業部聽喔在犬貓血庫管理總部跟軍輸血液推廣平台不是只有完善學校的硬體設施你們現在做的就這樣好我說你明明你就在說謊\n\n13\n00:04:20,695 --> 00:04:22,496\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n14\n00:04:39,464 --> 00:04:46,332\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n15\n00:04:57,944 --> 00:05:01,825\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文\n\n16\n00:05:27,572 --> 00:05:36,759\n你部長根本不重視你們這個業務是動保師長在處理還是防檢署署長上來根本就沒有重視你部長不重視署長也不重視你們那個副組長從我們高雄上來的我問他他一問三不知\n\n17\n00:05:49,557 --> 00:06:05,213\n所以你還說你支持工藝雪庫你知道嗎?我跟你們報告喔針對這個雪庫的部分我開了不下五次的會議但是裡面因為人的雪庫跟動物的雪庫第一個雪的品質跟穩定這個一定要先確保好啦我們這樣你支持我再給你一次機會你支不支持動\n\n18\n00:06:06,514 --> 00:06:10,755\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃\n\n19\n00:06:35,282 --> 00:06:36,345\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n20\n00:06:42,472 --> 00:06:47,615\n你們有管嗎?你們有管嗎?你們現有的機制有管嗎?商業機制有管嗎?好,第二個今天為什麼對於公益平台為什麼要做保護兩個嘛?你事主跟動物嘛,你的動物血液你知道多少錢嗎?你知道那個事主啊帶著狗貓去啊250cc可以賣2萬啊,甚至市場上都可以到3萬欸\n\n21\n00:07:05,786 --> 00:07:24,215\n完全沒有管理耶!錢還是小事喔!你的血緣乾不乾淨?健不健康?血緣的檢疫?血緣的保存?你光是商業的部分你都沒有!商業的部分也沒有!這個是白紙黑字喔!\n\n22\n00:07:24,995 --> 00:07:32,144\n你商業部分主責然後誰要去每一課是你防潛權嗎?好那再來我再戳破你動物接觸選爭議不斷部長你看新聞\n\n23\n00:07:42,057 --> 00:07:43,137\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條\n\n24\n00:07:57,603 --> 00:08:00,424\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n25\n00:08:19,409 --> 00:08:22,292\n然後呢這樣的存出不窮顯示農業部動物的動法法執行不力啊這也可以說用虐待動物去執行啊沒有啊好部長我今天跟你執行喔我就希望你做得好你最好不要跟我變\n\n26\n00:08:35,926 --> 00:08:49,871\n這件事情在國內當中沒有一個立委在質詢啊你也沒有立委在關心啊但也不是我厲害我這個立委沒做厲害是人民向我陳情是因為有事主在我的臉書上留言\n\n27\n00:08:51,071 --> 00:09:14,425\n所以我接受民意的陳情下去追之後才知道你知道法治局我就好那法治局有沒有這個相關的報告有啊107年法治局就做出報告了他說我們沒有法源啊現況也是混亂啊這所以也不是我講民意也講立法院的法治107年就做出報告有沒有動物血液公益平台的必要性有\n\n28\n00:09:16,047 --> 00:09:19,371\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n29\n00:09:31,747 --> 00:09:51,145\n工業部務必建立非營利雪庫的雪貓雪庫以糧幣取足劣幣讓市主選擇健康安全的動物血液來源並落實動物保護第二個針對現有市場的這個商業機制提出具體的管理辦法所以在這邊請你們立刻\n\n30\n00:09:51,846 --> 00:10:14,739\n提出犬貓非營利雪庫及平台完整的規劃方案。從我這個陳建仁院長到現在也至少快9個月以上了那你們一定要北中南雪庫的據點具體規劃以及第二個現有市場的商業機制請你農業部提出具體的管理方案這樣是一週內給本席可以嗎?\n\n31\n00:10:16,004 --> 00:10:16,304\n我跟委員報告齁\n\n32\n00:10:37,413 --> 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立委在質詢啊你也沒有立委在關心啊但也不是我厲害我這個立委沒做厲害是人民向我陳情是因為有事主在我的臉書上留言\n所以我接受民意的陳情下去追之後才知道你知道法治局我就好那法治局有沒有這個相關的報告有啊107年法治局就做出報告了他說我們沒有法源啊現況也是混亂啊這所以也不是我講民意也講立法院的法治107年就做出報告有沒有動物血液公益平台的必要性有\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n工業部務必建立非營利雪庫的雪貓雪庫以糧幣取足劣幣讓市主選擇健康安全的動物血液來源並落實動物保護第二個針對現有市場的這個商業機制提出具體的管理辦法所以在這邊請你們立刻\n提出犬貓非營利雪庫及平台完整的規劃方案。從我這個陳建仁院長到現在也至少快9個月以上了那你們一定要北中南雪庫的據點具體規劃以及第二個現有市場的商業機制請你農業部提出具體的管理方案這樣是一週內給本席可以嗎?\n我跟委員報告齁\n現在有領有你們農業部暫時的農委會捐助的屏東科大他是你們支持的欸結果你們把他放在一邊回答我的具體要求啦一個禮拜待會是嗎?\n將近一年了沒有作為說叫做動物保護說叫做動物福利你這邊講的全部都是過往動物保護科在做的然後你的這個署長完全無作為這個提案那麼久了\n然後針對非營利的雪庫跟現有的商業機制完全沒法源沒裁罰然後呢讓雇主讓我們的事主就這個白白的花那些的大把的錢結果得到的是我的寵物我的遊蕩犬的捐輸權益動物福利也沒有一個禮拜提供相關的我的這個具體要求可以嗎可以我把我們現在的進度可以跟委員報告\n那你這邊在講明喔你是要建立非營利非全顧平台我支持你的雙軌因為就現有的商業機制你也得處理它現在是雙軌我是支持的但是這兩個你都做不好第一個是沒有做第一個是管不好好一個禮拜可以嗎對我剛才說我們一個禮拜會提供我們現在目前的規劃的進度給你好請陳部長到我們林委員辦公室去說明\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.222 --> 00:23.590\n有請部長請陳部長啊部長我聽了你的簡報哈從你的簡報的到底整個我看了哈聽了很認真聽到你第9頁之前我覺得叫做了無心意\n\n00:24.568 --> 00:46.486\n沒有進步性、沒有前瞻性、沒有動物福利都是假的你看你的第三頁你在講到說動物保護業務執行項目的願景跟重要完善動物保護行政體系你這邊有提到提升收容動物保護品質那這些的動物有沒有要輸血的必要性呢\n\n00:47.367 --> 01:11.047\n然後你這講到建構你就我就的友善動物啊你在處理遊蕩犬隻的時候他有沒有捐輸血的必要性啊然後全面照顧寵物一生這個寵物有沒有捐輸血的必要性啊然後再來你的這個展演動物、精進動物、實現動物有沒有捐輸血的必要性啊\n\n01:12.435 --> 01:19.878\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n01:39.344 --> 01:41.345\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n01:59.980 --> 02:23.207\n你也沒有納入啊你說你們的法案當中的這個有加強事主責任動檢員的執法賦權提升動物收容強化保護精進寵物產業你又講到捐輸血他們都不需要捐輸血嗎你支不支持犬貓非營利雪庫\n\n02:24.827 --> 02:44.000\n你支持嗎?簡單回答我支持或不支持?我跟委員做兩個說明有關於像動物的像寵物的相關的這個血庫的部分他是在執行面的一個問題我們今天處理的是一個動保法最上位的法規我現在是針對你的業務報告跟你的法規當中有沒有納入\n\n02:44.941 --> 02:47.603\n你可以在選一當中單獨立法我也支持我也強力支持你要在動物保護法當中你要稍微提是你要去納入我也沒意見至少你的業務的本頁你從第一頁到第你的簡報到第六頁都在講你到第五頁都在講你整個動物保護的業務跟法\n\n03:08.317 --> 03:09.858\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n03:18.103 --> 03:20.705\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n03:39.238 --> 03:52.759\n公然在這個執行會當中說謊我在執行來二月二十七號我總執行陳建仁院長是生意背景他完全理解我在講什麼他也覺得這個重要而且還請你們農業部三個月內\n\n03:54.482 --> 04:18.734\n提出公益血庫的規劃方案建立完善軍血政策及管理。好,4月11號這經濟委員會當中我也提出質詢喔也把我的構想再講一次給你們農業部聽喔在犬貓血庫管理總部跟軍輸血液推廣平台不是只有完善學校的硬體設施你們現在做的就這樣好我說你明明你就在說謊\n\n04:20.695 --> 04:22.496\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n04:39.464 --> 04:46.332\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n04:57.944 --> 05:01.825\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文\n\n05:27.572 --> 05:36.759\n你部長根本不重視你們這個業務是動保師長在處理還是防檢署署長上來根本就沒有重視你部長不重視署長也不重視你們那個副組長從我們高雄上來的我問他他一問三不知\n\n05:49.557 --> 06:05.213\n所以你還說你支持工藝雪庫你知道嗎?我跟你們報告喔針對這個雪庫的部分我開了不下五次的會議但是裡面因為人的雪庫跟動物的雪庫第一個雪的品質跟穩定這個一定要先確保好啦我們這樣你支持我再給你一次機會你支不支持動\n\n06:06.514 --> 06:10.755\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃\n\n06:35.282 --> 06:36.345\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n06:42.472 --> 06:47.615\n你們有管嗎?你們有管嗎?你們現有的機制有管嗎?商業機制有管嗎?好,第二個今天為什麼對於公益平台為什麼要做保護兩個嘛?你事主跟動物嘛,你的動物血液你知道多少錢嗎?你知道那個事主啊帶著狗貓去啊250cc可以賣2萬啊,甚至市場上都可以到3萬欸\n\n07:05.786 --> 07:24.215\n完全沒有管理耶!錢還是小事喔!你的血緣乾不乾淨?健不健康?血緣的檢疫?血緣的保存?你光是商業的部分你都沒有!商業的部分也沒有!這個是白紙黑字喔!\n\n07:24.995 --> 07:32.144\n你商業部分主責然後誰要去每一課是你防潛權嗎?好那再來我再戳破你動物接觸選爭議不斷部長你看新聞\n\n07:42.057 --> 07:43.137\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條\n\n07:57.603 --> 08:00.424\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n08:19.409 --> 08:22.292\n然後呢這樣的存出不窮顯示農業部動物的動法法執行不力啊這也可以說用虐待動物去執行啊沒有啊好部長我今天跟你執行喔我就希望你做得好你最好不要跟我變\n\n08:35.926 --> 08:49.871\n這件事情在國內當中沒有一個立委在質詢啊你也沒有立委在關心啊但也不是我厲害我這個立委沒做厲害是人民向我陳情是因為有事主在我的臉書上留言\n\n08:51.071 --> 09:14.425\n所以我接受民意的陳情下去追之後才知道你知道法治局我就好那法治局有沒有這個相關的報告有啊107年法治局就做出報告了他說我們沒有法源啊現況也是混亂啊這所以也不是我講民意也講立法院的法治107年就做出報告有沒有動物血液公益平台的必要性有\n\n09:16.047 --> 09:19.371\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n09:31.747 --> 09:51.145\n工業部務必建立非營利雪庫的雪貓雪庫以糧幣取足劣幣讓市主選擇健康安全的動物血液來源並落實動物保護第二個針對現有市場的這個商業機制提出具體的管理辦法所以在這邊請你們立刻\n\n09:51.846 --> 10:14.739\n提出犬貓非營利雪庫及平台完整的規劃方案。從我這個陳建仁院長到現在也至少快9個月以上了那你們一定要北中南雪庫的據點具體規劃以及第二個現有市場的商業機制請你農業部提出具體的管理方案這樣是一週內給本席可以嗎?\n\n10:16.004 --> 10:16.304\n我跟委員報告齁\n\n10:37.413 --> 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