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--> 00:02:20,165\n部長、署長我先提醒你們我們台灣的文化的實力以及數位的能力不管是在相關的遊戲產業或是相關的應用方面我們不管是我們的科技、我們的人力、我們的數值其實都在世界來說都是名列世界前茅的但是我們的數位的這樣一個電競遊戲這樣一個產業它是最沒有國界的一個產業\n\n7\n00:02:21,545 --> 00:02:38,922\n但是我們占不到全世界的3%來請蘇亮簡單說明一下各位說明一下就是我們希望台灣人能夠玩台灣的遊戲所以我們在109年開始就補助獨立遊戲因為這個他們都是很有創意而且很有製作能力的我們到目前109年每年補助8到10家的話現在應該有\n\n8\n00:02:42,586 --> 00:02:59,973\n大概7到8個已經在發行：李昆澤我簡單跟你說明一下2021年行政院就開始推行了智慧國家方案就是透過獎勵跟補助的方式來讓這些整個國家的這些數位產業電競遊戲這些都能夠朝向這樣一個重要的無國界的產業能夠有實力的一個發展\n\n9\n00:03:08,156 --> 00:03:33,042\n但是我們來看數位部的補助其實是不夠的杯水車薪是沒有辦法建立良性的循環我們來看目前遊戲的製作成本手機遊戲大概是500到800萬單機遊戲大概是400到1000萬那大型的主機遊戲它可能要高達上億以上了署長應該很清楚但是我們數產署的獨立遊戲開發獎勵暨產品化的加值計畫\n\n10\n00:03:38,735 --> 00:03:47,781\n從2020年到2024年5年之間總共補助了43款的遊戲平均每款補助180萬元這樣要怎麼做數位電競遊戲的這樣的一個產業推廣呢來說明一下\n\n11\n00:03:57,524 --> 00:03:57,644\n委員：李昆澤\n\n12\n00:04:18,405 --> 00:04:45,043\n你現在號稱有100億但是我們看到我們整體數位部的這個預算編列這種創新軟體才編了大概1億9千萬今年喔明年是更少1億7千萬你看看你這個補助每款才補助180萬元而已那這個獎勵沒力啦沒力嘛你就預算也不夠然後誠意也不足\n\n13\n00:04:46,644 --> 00:05:07,995\n我們來看這個遊戲產業是可以推動世界來認識台灣我們有好的文化實力你看台灣國產遊戲2017年的這個返校那以台灣白色恐怖時期來做背景創作那我們看到這個玩家統計國外的玩家超過9成而且可以延伸更多的影視作品\n\n14\n00:05:10,191 --> 00:05:38,283\n遊戲產業我們來看世界各國也都改編很多影視的作品瑪莉歐、神奇寶貝、惡靈古堡之類的古墓奇兵、憤怒鳥還有文化特色的遊戲不管是信長系列、對馬、戰鬼、人中之龍、戰神、刺客教條這不只是電競不只是數位的產業它還是一種推動文化宣傳一個重要的途徑來簡單說明一下我們做了什麼\n\n15\n00:05:42,497 --> 00:06:04,314\n我們目前也希望他把臺灣的這個文化的元素融入他但是做世界的發行所以這個是我們我們現在也在找發行商報告我來具體建議啦我剛才都說你們這個遊戲才補助180萬做一個小型的遊戲都要400萬以上我們的這個補助啊真的是沒有辦法去推動這麼重要的\n\n16\n00:06:05,054 --> 00:06:07,736\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。\n\n17\n00:06:22,114 --> 00:06:47,268\n我具體的建議部長應該要爭取預算要增加補助金額及業者的名額第二在原有的補助基礎之上要舉辦玩家的票選期待遊戲的活動那得獎遊戲列為增加補助名額以及增加獎助的金額然後增加互動性同時也要促進遊戲的曝光跟文化的宣傳\n\n18\n00:06:48,248 --> 00:07:02,519\n另外要建立講注政策進入良性的循環就是保留既有的講注政策之外應該要研擬未來來成立發展基金以投資的方式來輔助業者進行遊戲開發並且將收益滾入基金持續來擴大投資的規模來促進臺灣遊戲及數位應用的產業發展部長那你簡單說明一下\n\n19\n00:07:14,087 --> 00:07:14,107\n臺灣的開發遊戲\n\n20\n00:07:30,436 --> 00:07:52,864\n但是收益卻過半都是國外的業者我們現在目前的遊戲平台大家都知道遊戲平台業者大概收取收益大概30%那跨國稅款大概10至15%那剩下的才由開發商跟發行商來依照協議的比例拆分或者是評分那台灣的開發團隊\n\n21\n00:07:54,565 --> 00:08:18,859\n大概擁有的收益大概只有25%左右那台灣的遊戲產業的收益無法最大化那我們應該要協助國內的遊戲發行商來建立全球的行銷能力這個部長跟署長你也應該都知道我們現在很多的這種電競遊戲的發行其實都是跟中國合作\n\n22\n00:08:20,312 --> 00:08:43,037\n那其實沒有自己的發行商那這樣會造成很多的問題如果中國在這樣數位產業的競爭他要卡住我們我們的數位的電競遊戲發展空間就一下子幾乎幾乎會被團滅了第二他們也都會進行實質的審查那之前有一個遊戲還願\n\n23\n00:08:45,479 --> 00:09:05,273\n委員本來是有上架後來查到說裡面有一個什麼鬍鬚有寫習維尼或什麼就被下架他下架之後他沒有辦法在其他地方再上市再上架因為他們有訂合約然後我們看到整個我們台灣培養了很多遊戲團隊也會被中國買走我們沒有自己的這樣的一個\n\n24\n00:09:11,977 --> 00:09:28,990\n全球的行銷能力,我們沒有這樣一個平台來再說明一下,部長這要怎麼樣?委員這個建議都很好了,就是這個建議全球行銷能力。部長今天我來一直你都說很好,然後就是說你們目前都做得不好嘛。其實就是這樣。\n\n25\n00:09:31,091 --> 00:09:49,979\n就是根據委員的建議我們再看怎麼樣去...因為時間的關係我最後再講一個我們講座計畫的審查委員全部都是男性其實我認為是違反性別比例原則那國際跟國內的業者去統計台灣的遊戲從業人員女性已經超過三分之一喔\n\n26\n00:09:50,859 --> 00:09:55,882\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算：李昆澤\n\n27\n00:10:14,625 --> 00:10:20,416\n委員會調整至少不得少於三分之一單一性別不得少於三分之一這個沒有問題吧那相關的對於台灣的\n\n28\n00:10:26,599 --> 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來說明一下\n237524\t237644\t委員：李昆澤\n258405\t285043\t你現在號稱有100億但是我們看到我們整體數位部的這個預算編列這種創新軟體才編了大概1億9千萬今年喔明年是更少1億7千萬你看看你這個補助每款才補助180萬元而已那這個獎勵沒力啦沒力嘛你就預算也不夠然後誠意也不足\n286644\t307995\t我們來看這個遊戲產業是可以推動世界來認識台灣我們有好的文化實力你看台灣國產遊戲2017年的這個返校那以台灣白色恐怖時期來做背景創作那我們看到這個玩家統計國外的玩家超過9成而且可以延伸更多的影視作品\n310191\t338283\t遊戲產業我們來看世界各國也都改編很多影視的作品瑪莉歐、神奇寶貝、惡靈古堡之類的古墓奇兵、憤怒鳥還有文化特色的遊戲不管是信長系列、對馬、戰鬼、人中之龍、戰神、刺客教條這不只是電競不只是數位的產業它還是一種推動文化宣傳一個重要的途徑來簡單說明一下我們做了什麼\n342497\t364314\t我們目前也希望他把臺灣的這個文化的元素融入他但是做世界的發行所以這個是我們我們現在也在找發行商報告我來具體建議啦我剛才都說你們這個遊戲才補助180萬做一個小型的遊戲都要400萬以上我們的這個補助啊真的是沒有辦法去推動這麼重要的\n365054\t367736\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。\n382114\t407268\t我具體的建議部長應該要爭取預算要增加補助金額及業者的名額第二在原有的補助基礎之上要舉辦玩家的票選期待遊戲的活動那得獎遊戲列為增加補助名額以及增加獎助的金額然後增加互動性同時也要促進遊戲的曝光跟文化的宣傳\n408248\t422519\t另外要建立講注政策進入良性的循環就是保留既有的講注政策之外應該要研擬未來來成立發展基金以投資的方式來輔助業者進行遊戲開發並且將收益滾入基金持續來擴大投資的規模來促進臺灣遊戲及數位應用的產業發展部長那你簡單說明一下\n434087\t434107\t臺灣的開發遊戲\n450436\t472864\t但是收益卻過半都是國外的業者我們現在目前的遊戲平台大家都知道遊戲平台業者大概收取收益大概30%那跨國稅款大概10至15%那剩下的才由開發商跟發行商來依照協議的比例拆分或者是評分那台灣的開發團隊\n474565\t498859\t大概擁有的收益大概只有25%左右那台灣的遊戲產業的收益無法最大化那我們應該要協助國內的遊戲發行商來建立全球的行銷能力這個部長跟署長你也應該都知道我們現在很多的這種電競遊戲的發行其實都是跟中國合作\n500312\t523037\t那其實沒有自己的發行商那這樣會造成很多的問題如果中國在這樣數位產業的競爭他要卡住我們我們的數位的電競遊戲發展空間就一下子幾乎幾乎會被團滅了第二他們也都會進行實質的審查那之前有一個遊戲還願\n525479\t545273\t委員本來是有上架後來查到說裡面有一個什麼鬍鬚有寫習維尼或什麼就被下架他下架之後他沒有辦法在其他地方再上市再上架因為他們有訂合約然後我們看到整個我們台灣培養了很多遊戲團隊也會被中國買走我們沒有自己的這樣的一個\n551977\t568990\t全球的行銷能力,我們沒有這樣一個平台來再說明一下,部長這要怎麼樣?委員這個建議都很好了,就是這個建議全球行銷能力。部長今天我來一直你都說很好,然後就是說你們目前都做得不好嘛。其實就是這樣。\n571091\t589979\t就是根據委員的建議我們再看怎麼樣去...因為時間的關係我最後再講一個我們講座計畫的審查委員全部都是男性其實我認為是違反性別比例原則那國際跟國內的業者去統計台灣的遊戲從業人員女性已經超過三分之一喔\n590859\t595882\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算：李昆澤\n614625\t620416\t委員會調整至少不得少於三分之一單一性別不得少於三分之一這個沒有問題吧那相關的對於台灣的\n626599\t652092\t電競遊戲的發展數位部的相關的補助以及政策我最後時間讓部長你再簡單的說明一下對就是剛剛的委員的幾個建議那個補助的爭取我們會就是說再看再去再去調整看怎麼樣去爭取更多機會不過目前我們還是覺得就是說可能要找最有效的補助方法就是說是不是要比較\n652952\t653292\t拜託跟部長來討論\n","txt":"謝謝主席請一下黃部長還有數位產業署林俊秀代理署長還有林代理署長委員長部長好我們臺灣的這種遊戲產業它的發展性的空間非常的大那如果我們看到PwC就是全球娛樂及媒體業的這樣的一個展望報告之中\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算．一、審查114年度中央政府總預算．一、審查114年度中央政府總預算．一、審查114年度中央政府總預算．一、\n遊戲產業的市場調查公司NewRule的這個調查報告2024年全球遊戲產業的產值大概是6兆910億元那2027年會增加到6兆9217億那台灣是數位的先進國家啦那我們在全球的市場所佔的比例不到3%為什麼是我們的\n能力不足還是政策錯誤還是預算不夠來請說明一下那個報告委員那個遊戲產業的確是一個很大的一個市場那的確這個我們都很重視那素產署本來就有一些program在補助遊戲業者\n﹚李昆澤\n部長、署長我先提醒你們我們台灣的文化的實力以及數位的能力不管是在相關的遊戲產業或是相關的應用方面我們不管是我們的科技、我們的人力、我們的數值其實都在世界來說都是名列世界前茅的但是我們的數位的這樣一個電競遊戲這樣一個產業它是最沒有國界的一個產業\n但是我們占不到全世界的3%來請蘇亮簡單說明一下各位說明一下就是我們希望台灣人能夠玩台灣的遊戲所以我們在109年開始就補助獨立遊戲因為這個他們都是很有創意而且很有製作能力的我們到目前109年每年補助8到10家的話現在應該有\n大概7到8個已經在發行：李昆澤我簡單跟你說明一下2021年行政院就開始推行了智慧國家方案就是透過獎勵跟補助的方式來讓這些整個國家的這些數位產業電競遊戲這些都能夠朝向這樣一個重要的無國界的產業能夠有實力的一個發展\n但是我們來看數位部的補助其實是不夠的杯水車薪是沒有辦法建立良性的循環我們來看目前遊戲的製作成本手機遊戲大概是500到800萬單機遊戲大概是400到1000萬那大型的主機遊戲它可能要高達上億以上了署長應該很清楚但是我們數產署的獨立遊戲開發獎勵暨產品化的加值計畫\n從2020年到2024年5年之間總共補助了43款的遊戲平均每款補助180萬元這樣要怎麼做數位電競遊戲的這樣的一個產業推廣呢 來說明一下\n委員：李昆澤\n你現在號稱有100億但是我們看到我們整體數位部的這個預算編列這種創新軟體才編了大概1億9千萬今年喔明年是更少1億7千萬你看看你這個補助每款才補助180萬元而已那這個獎勵沒力啦沒力嘛你就預算也不夠然後誠意也不足\n我們來看這個遊戲產業是可以推動世界來認識台灣我們有好的文化實力你看台灣國產遊戲2017年的這個返校那以台灣白色恐怖時期來做背景創作那我們看到這個玩家統計國外的玩家超過9成而且可以延伸更多的影視作品\n遊戲產業我們來看世界各國也都改編很多影視的作品瑪莉歐、神奇寶貝、惡靈古堡之類的古墓奇兵、憤怒鳥還有文化特色的遊戲不管是信長系列、對馬、戰鬼、人中之龍、戰神、刺客教條這不只是電競不只是數位的產業它還是一種推動文化宣傳一個重要的途徑來簡單說明一下我們做了什麼\n我們目前也希望他把臺灣的這個文化的元素融入他但是做世界的發行所以這個是我們我們現在也在找發行商報告我來具體建議啦我剛才都說你們這個遊戲才補助180萬做一個小型的遊戲都要400萬以上我們的這個補助啊真的是沒有辦法去推動這麼重要的\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。\n我具體的建議部長應該要爭取預算要增加補助金額及業者的名額第二在原有的補助基礎之上要舉辦玩家的票選期待遊戲的活動那得獎遊戲列為增加補助名額以及增加獎助的金額然後增加互動性同時也要促進遊戲的曝光跟文化的宣傳\n另外要建立講注政策進入良性的循環就是保留既有的講注政策之外應該要研擬未來來成立發展基金以投資的方式來輔助業者進行遊戲開發並且將收益滾入基金持續來擴大投資的規模來促進臺灣遊戲及數位應用的產業發展部長那你簡單說明一下\n臺灣的開發遊戲\n但是收益卻過半都是國外的業者我們現在目前的遊戲平台大家都知道遊戲平台業者大概收取收益大概30%那跨國稅款大概10至15%那剩下的才由開發商跟發行商來依照協議的比例拆分或者是評分那台灣的開發團隊\n大概擁有的收益大概只有25%左右那台灣的遊戲產業的收益無法最大化那我們應該要協助國內的遊戲發行商來建立全球的行銷能力這個部長跟署長你也應該都知道我們現在很多的這種電競遊戲的發行其實都是跟中國合作\n那其實沒有自己的發行商那這樣會造成很多的問題如果中國在這樣數位產業的競爭他要卡住我們我們的數位的電競遊戲發展空間就一下子幾乎幾乎會被團滅了第二他們也都會進行實質的審查那之前有一個遊戲還願\n委員本來是有上架後來查到說裡面有一個什麼鬍鬚有寫習維尼或什麼就被下架他下架之後他沒有辦法在其他地方再上市再上架因為他們有訂合約然後我們看到整個我們台灣培養了很多遊戲團隊也會被中國買走我們沒有自己的這樣的一個\n全球的行銷能力,我們沒有這樣一個平台來再說明一下,部長這要怎麼樣?委員這個建議都很好了,就是這個建議全球行銷能力。部長今天我來一直你都說很好,然後就是說你們目前都做得不好嘛。其實就是這樣。\n就是根據委員的建議我們再看怎麼樣去...因為時間的關係我最後再講一個我們講座計畫的審查委員全部都是男性其實我認為是違反性別比例原則那國際跟國內的業者去統計台灣的遊戲從業人員女性已經超過三分之一喔\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算：李昆澤\n委員會調整至少不得少於三分之一單一性別不得少於三分之一這個沒有問題吧那相關的對於台灣的\n電競遊戲的發展數位部的相關的補助以及政策我最後時間讓部長你再簡單的說明一下對就是剛剛的委員的幾個建議那個補助的爭取我們會就是說再看再去再去調整看怎麼樣去爭取更多機會不過目前我們還是覺得就是說可能要找最有效的補助方法就是說是不是要比較\n拜託跟部長來討論\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.147 --> 00:27.614\n謝謝主席請一下黃部長還有數位產業署林俊秀代理署長還有林代理署長委員長部長好我們臺灣的這種遊戲產業它的發展性的空間非常的大那如果我們看到PwC就是全球娛樂及媒體業的這樣的一個展望報告之中\n\n00:28.234 --> 00:35.097\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算．一、審查114年度中央政府總預算．一、審查114年度中央政府總預算．一、審查114年度中央政府總預算．一、\n\n00:47.983 --> 01:13.118\n遊戲產業的市場調查公司NewRule的這個調查報告2024年全球遊戲產業的產值大概是6兆910億元那2027年會增加到6兆9217億那台灣是數位的先進國家啦那我們在全球的市場所佔的比例不到3%為什麼是我們的\n\n01:16.294 --> 01:33.948\n能力不足還是政策錯誤還是預算不夠來請說明一下那個報告委員那個遊戲產業的確是一個很大的一個市場那的確這個我們都很重視那素產署本來就有一些program在補助遊戲業者\n\n01:35.109 --> 01:35.349\n﹚李昆澤\n\n01:52.918 --> 02:20.165\n部長、署長我先提醒你們我們台灣的文化的實力以及數位的能力不管是在相關的遊戲產業或是相關的應用方面我們不管是我們的科技、我們的人力、我們的數值其實都在世界來說都是名列世界前茅的但是我們的數位的這樣一個電競遊戲這樣一個產業它是最沒有國界的一個產業\n\n02:21.545 --> 02:38.922\n但是我們占不到全世界的3%來請蘇亮簡單說明一下各位說明一下就是我們希望台灣人能夠玩台灣的遊戲所以我們在109年開始就補助獨立遊戲因為這個他們都是很有創意而且很有製作能力的我們到目前109年每年補助8到10家的話現在應該有\n\n02:42.586 --> 02:59.973\n大概7到8個已經在發行：李昆澤我簡單跟你說明一下2021年行政院就開始推行了智慧國家方案就是透過獎勵跟補助的方式來讓這些整個國家的這些數位產業電競遊戲這些都能夠朝向這樣一個重要的無國界的產業能夠有實力的一個發展\n\n03:08.156 --> 03:33.042\n但是我們來看數位部的補助其實是不夠的杯水車薪是沒有辦法建立良性的循環我們來看目前遊戲的製作成本手機遊戲大概是500到800萬單機遊戲大概是400到1000萬那大型的主機遊戲它可能要高達上億以上了署長應該很清楚但是我們數產署的獨立遊戲開發獎勵暨產品化的加值計畫\n\n03:38.735 --> 03:47.781\n從2020年到2024年5年之間總共補助了43款的遊戲平均每款補助180萬元這樣要怎麼做數位電競遊戲的這樣的一個產業推廣呢來說明一下\n\n03:57.524 --> 03:57.644\n委員：李昆澤\n\n04:18.405 --> 04:45.043\n你現在號稱有100億但是我們看到我們整體數位部的這個預算編列這種創新軟體才編了大概1億9千萬今年喔明年是更少1億7千萬你看看你這個補助每款才補助180萬元而已那這個獎勵沒力啦沒力嘛你就預算也不夠然後誠意也不足\n\n04:46.644 --> 05:07.995\n我們來看這個遊戲產業是可以推動世界來認識台灣我們有好的文化實力你看台灣國產遊戲2017年的這個返校那以台灣白色恐怖時期來做背景創作那我們看到這個玩家統計國外的玩家超過9成而且可以延伸更多的影視作品\n\n05:10.191 --> 05:38.283\n遊戲產業我們來看世界各國也都改編很多影視的作品瑪莉歐、神奇寶貝、惡靈古堡之類的古墓奇兵、憤怒鳥還有文化特色的遊戲不管是信長系列、對馬、戰鬼、人中之龍、戰神、刺客教條這不只是電競不只是數位的產業它還是一種推動文化宣傳一個重要的途徑來簡單說明一下我們做了什麼\n\n05:42.497 --> 06:04.314\n我們目前也希望他把臺灣的這個文化的元素融入他但是做世界的發行所以這個是我們我們現在也在找發行商報告我來具體建議啦我剛才都說你們這個遊戲才補助180萬做一個小型的遊戲都要400萬以上我們的這個補助啊真的是沒有辦法去推動這麼重要的\n\n06:05.054 --> 06:07.736\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。\n\n06:22.114 --> 06:47.268\n我具體的建議部長應該要爭取預算要增加補助金額及業者的名額第二在原有的補助基礎之上要舉辦玩家的票選期待遊戲的活動那得獎遊戲列為增加補助名額以及增加獎助的金額然後增加互動性同時也要促進遊戲的曝光跟文化的宣傳\n\n06:48.248 --> 07:02.519\n另外要建立講注政策進入良性的循環就是保留既有的講注政策之外應該要研擬未來來成立發展基金以投資的方式來輔助業者進行遊戲開發並且將收益滾入基金持續來擴大投資的規模來促進臺灣遊戲及數位應用的產業發展部長那你簡單說明一下\n\n07:14.087 --> 07:14.107\n臺灣的開發遊戲\n\n07:30.436 --> 07:52.864\n但是收益卻過半都是國外的業者我們現在目前的遊戲平台大家都知道遊戲平台業者大概收取收益大概30%那跨國稅款大概10至15%那剩下的才由開發商跟發行商來依照協議的比例拆分或者是評分那台灣的開發團隊\n\n07:54.565 --> 08:18.859\n大概擁有的收益大概只有25%左右那台灣的遊戲產業的收益無法最大化那我們應該要協助國內的遊戲發行商來建立全球的行銷能力這個部長跟署長你也應該都知道我們現在很多的這種電競遊戲的發行其實都是跟中國合作\n\n08:20.312 --> 08:43.037\n那其實沒有自己的發行商那這樣會造成很多的問題如果中國在這樣數位產業的競爭他要卡住我們我們的數位的電競遊戲發展空間就一下子幾乎幾乎會被團滅了第二他們也都會進行實質的審查那之前有一個遊戲還願\n\n08:45.479 --> 09:05.273\n委員本來是有上架後來查到說裡面有一個什麼鬍鬚有寫習維尼或什麼就被下架他下架之後他沒有辦法在其他地方再上市再上架因為他們有訂合約然後我們看到整個我們台灣培養了很多遊戲團隊也會被中國買走我們沒有自己的這樣的一個\n\n09:11.977 --> 09:28.990\n全球的行銷能力,我們沒有這樣一個平台來再說明一下,部長這要怎麼樣?委員這個建議都很好了,就是這個建議全球行銷能力。部長今天我來一直你都說很好,然後就是說你們目前都做得不好嘛。其實就是這樣。\n\n09:31.091 --> 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