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00:00:49,915\n大人,我們總是成年人嘛有沒有辦法來幫助這些未成年人因為最近澳洲要定一個法律這個法律非常的引起國際注意澳洲準備要定一個法律16歲以下的未成年人禁止使用社群軟體澳洲這個立法獨步全球\n\n3\n00:00:51,241 --> 00:00:55,963\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。\n\n4\n00:01:10,904 --> 00:01:24,999\n來向抖音提出司法控告因為他們認為抖音的內容造成兩名青少年自殺請問部長你知道這些訊息嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:26,124 --> 00:01:51,384\n那你知道我們國內我們的兒少我們的未成年人使用社群軟體的狀況嗎?我引用一個數字跟你參考這是一個NGO的調查他說我們的未成年人大概是國高中生有95%幾乎全部都有使用社群軟體\n\n6\n00:01:52,779 --> 00:02:17,125\n那最多的是Instagram。Instagram有78%啦。Facebook有73%。抖音有61%。也就是說額紹最常使用的社群軟體就是這三個。Instagram、Facebook還有TikTok。那平均每一個\n\n7\n00:02:18,632 --> 00:02:47,215\n未成年人使用3.5個平台社群平台其中國中生使用最多的是抖音還有Facebook還有臉書高中生使用比較多的是Instagram這數字給你參考那我們的小孩子會不會沉浸在這些社群軟體裡面呢那經過他的調查這受罪也很可怕他一個禮拜要花35個小時\n\n8\n00:02:49,192 --> 00:02:50,293\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算\n\n9\n00:03:07,503 --> 00:03:31,588\n你就是說我們的下一代啊大概已經高度都是網路中毒啦就每天你都一定要在上面那你在網路上也沒關係啦重點是你在做什麼事那如果你接觸的比如說一個禮拜35個小時平均1天5個小時都在社群平台上那會接觸到什麼東西有沒有負面的東西啊那在這個調查裡面呢告訴我們啊\n\n10\n00:03:32,088 --> 00:03:54,276\n有過半啦那56%的未成年人他們在網路社群平台會接觸到不良的東西也就是所謂的負面的東西那哪些負面的東西呢假訊息不符合年齡的廣告這前三名第三就是社群的影音還有訊息請問部長你對這些有沒有什麼看法\n\n11\n00:03:56,921 --> 00:04:11,699\n確實這是一個問題那我那個我的瞭解是這個當我們觀察香港提到澳洲的做法那在因為這個東西牽涉到其實牽涉到衛福部牽涉到教育部所以我想我們跨部會會來討論怎麼去對這做進行一個防治\n\n12\n00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:13,820\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算\n\n13\n00:04:35,598 --> 00:05:02,664\n這些青少年都是我們國家的未來如果他們從小就沉溺在網路上而且有這麼高比例都接觸到負面不良的東西那當然會影響他們的心智發展甚至影響到國家的未來所以澳洲才會訂出這樣的法律也才引起國際上高度的關注例如現在很多國家都控告抖音\n\n14\n00:05:03,624 --> 00:05:20,380\n因為它裡面有一些非常奇特很不良的東西,像自殺。最近包括美國政府、法國、意大利都控告抖音上面尤其對於青少年不利資訊裡面的自殺,他們認為是受到很大一個影響。\n\n15\n00:05:21,533 --> 00:05:25,295\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。\n\n16\n00:05:51,992 --> 00:06:12,923\n我再給部長參考根據國際的統計全世界受到境外假訊息影響前五名的國家第一名是台灣第二名拉脫維亞第三名巴勒斯坦第四伊朗第五蒙特內國等等對外散播假訊息假訊息製造\n\n17\n00:06:14,434 --> 00:06:14,754\n委員會主席\n\n18\n00:06:30,211 --> 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