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00:00:01,161\n條文修正草案案。請鄭正全委員發言。\n\n2\n00:00:22,651 --> 00:00:42,026\n部長好。你應該知道說前幾天其實有野保團體到立法院這邊來遊行嘛。了解。是。然後當時動保司長也出來接見了。接見他們的陳情嘛。是。那他們大概提出了三個主要的訴求。包括說要經濟遊蕩犬貓的一個管理跟減量。然後第二個經濟生態熱區遊蕩犬的管理計畫並擴增辦理範圍。是。\n\n3\n00:00:46,911 --> 00:01:01,870\n三、提升國民對野生動物保育還有伴侶動物福祉的概念然後將犬貓列入課綱外來入侵種的案例那對這部分的時候因為我看到你這報告裡面寫很多針對第一個跟第二個部分\n\n4\n00:01:02,791 --> 00:01:23,958\n正對遊蕩犬的一個管理跟那個生態熱區這邊我大概都看到你們這邊有相關的一個資料啦齁那這部分我先簡單問一個部分就是說我們目前對於整個遊蕩犬的一個推估齁到目前為止大概有多少量我想依我們最新的資料大概是279萬隻其中犬的部分大概有148萬隻貓的部分有131萬隻合起來是279萬隻\n\n5\n00:01:30,921 --> 00:01:50,313\n這個應該不是遊蕩犬,這應該是所有的犬貓的部分。遊蕩犬的話大概是16萬隻。那因為它持續的增加,我在想說對遊蕩犬這個問題,你們這裡面有大概提到,我就不特別去追。只針對說那個,你這邊有提到說有編列村里長需要的需求的預算。\n\n6\n00:01:51,453 --> 00:01:53,795\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃\n\n7\n00:02:02,062 --> 00:02:27,780\n我們針對新竹市的部分我們已經有提供機會改進他們的收容所的部分那因為收容所部分其實是當你的流浪犬進到收容所的時候他不是理解其實因為還是遠遠的不夠我想說事後的時候我們再請相關單位到本辦公室來做一個進一步的推動因為新竹市的整個的一個收容所我其實完全的不足然後對於整個那個村裡的這個需求預算的部分目前編列多少預算\n\n8\n00:02:28,697 --> 00:02:38,024\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文\n\n9\n00:02:58,256 --> 00:03:14,612\n我我覺得這個爭議非常大因為相對的就是當你因為過往以來一直有兩個論調那你當你把它認為外來種的時候光一般民眾就覺得外來種就是\n\n10\n00:03:15,751 --> 00:03:17,991\n本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具《動物保護法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n11\n00:03:40,496 --> 00:03:44,219\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案\n\n12\n00:04:07,148 --> 00:04:13,751\n副署長嗎?我想問一下在林保署當中的時候有一個臺灣物種名錄這個網站對不對?這個網站當中的時候列了394筆入侵物種對不對?\n\n13\n00:04:22,939 --> 00:04:36,946\n三百九十四種入侵物種當中的時候犬貓都被列入入侵物種當中請問一下我們林保署這邊怎麼來判斷它是入侵物種的科學定義是什麼\n\n14\n00:04:41,247 --> 00:04:58,230\n這個部分是由這個科學家去做調查的這個並不是我們林保署去做一個OK可是至少在林保署當中台灣物種名稱當中的時候很清楚的把犬貓都列為入侵物種部長你知道這個事情嗎?\n\n15\n00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:23,062\n我是看到這優勤裡面提到我才知道所以針對比方說農業部是像我們動保的一個主管單位都發生這樣的情況農業部裡面對於這件事情都有這麼大的一個落差那我們要如何去做進一步的一個監管讓台灣的動物保護能夠真正的落實下來\n\n16\n00:05:24,083 --> 00:05:39,193\n我想我跟委員報告就是說現在目前台灣物種的這名錄並不是一個官方的名錄但是一個非常重要的是我們不能說官方怎麼弄我們就尊重其實針對是不是列入相關的入侵的物種應該要有很嚴謹的一個界定\n\n17\n00:05:40,153 --> 00:05:50,539\n及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及\n\n18\n00:06:08,990 --> 00:06:29,388\n對於犬貓是不是納入外來種因為野保團體他們對這部分也有一個很高理想的一個訴求因為他們希望列入外來種之後能夠減少棄養的一個狀態那在當中我們希望說農業部這邊能夠好好扮演起一個監督管理的一個角色好不好好\n\n19\n00:06:30,709 --> 00:06:59,726\n那接下來我想問一下就是我剛剛特別提到陪伴動物這個部分陪伴動物這邊目前被認為是財產就寵物被認為是財產還是一個獨立的一個生命體部長他現在被界定於被界定為人的附屬物人的附屬物所以他算是財產然後還算不算是一個獨立的一個生命體這個部分還沒有完全\n\n20\n00:07:00,746 --> 00:07:27,337\n還沒有完全有共識被定義齁那這個部分我會特別提到是因為坦白說現在有很多相關的一個寵物的一個相關的糾紛當中的時候那法院很多判例也判例出來喔很多的部分寵物如果不慎被撞死了或者是被醫療糾紛致死的狀態都會有一個精神的胃腑經這樣的一個情況所以某一個部分它其實是\n\n21\n00:07:28,467 --> 00:07:56,432\n有些法院認為他有一些獨立生命體的一個特質在這裡頭那我們認為這個部分對於現在很多養寵物的家庭來說他們很多沒有養小朋友養寵物那這個趨勢其實越來越明顯所以我們希望農業部就為一個主管的一個單位能夠對這個部分有一個更清楚一個定義然後讓所有的一個陪伴動物他們有更好的一個定位可不可以\n\n22\n00:07:57,052 --> 00:08:16,520\n我很謝謝委員的提醒,就是早期其實這些全貓我們把它當作一個附屬物,那變成一個財產的概念而已。事實上特別在少子化以後,整個的一個社會的氛圍都不一樣了。那其實我們從動物保護的角度來講,我們的態度也要做一些調整。所以這個部分我想我會有請我們動保師針對這個議題去好好的去做一個溝通。\n\n23\n00:08:20,562 --> 00:08:22,423\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n24\n00:08:39,707 --> 00:08:57,991\n那麼針對農委會當時的農委會現在農業部為確實掌握國內賽哥飼養的一個情況影響動物保護及防疫工作的推動那針對這個部分我發現在今天的報告當中都沒有提到海上賽哥的部分那這個部分我們這十幾年來有沒有進度\n\n25\n00:08:59,250 --> 00:09:18,858\n我想應該在年初的時候也有委員提到這個賽歌的問題那以我個人的態度我就要求就是說我們應該禁止賽歌特別是這種海上的賽歌因為在陸上的比賽這是一件事情他累了還可以休息但是海上的時候他累了以後就直接墜海\n\n26\n00:09:19,358 --> 00:09:40,419\n所以我們那時候我跟我們部裡面的同仁討論就是說我們第一步就是要去處理海上的賽哥的這個違法的行為所以我們現在已經有成立跨部會的一個聯繫的一個機制一個處理機制先去處理那我們希望在適當的時間是不是可以可以入法了OK所以農業部已經很清楚的態度禁止海上賽哥這個事情我們是持這樣的立場\n\n27\n00:09:41,880 --> 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從動物保護的角度來講,我們的態度也要做一些調整。所以這個部分我想我會有請我們動保師針對這個議題去好好的去做一個溝通。\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n那麼針對農委會當時的農委會現在農業部為確實掌握國內賽哥飼養的一個情況影響動物保護及防疫工作的推動那針對這個部分我發現在今天的報告當中都沒有提到海上賽哥的部分那這個部分我們這十幾年來有沒有進度\n我想應該在年初的時候也有委員提到這個賽歌的問題那以我個人的態度我就要求就是說我們應該禁止賽歌特別是這種海上的賽歌因為在陸上的比賽這是一件事情他累了還可以休息但是海上的時候他累了以後就直接墜海\n所以我們那時候我跟我們部裡面的同仁討論就是說我們第一步就是要去處理海上的賽哥的這個違法的行為所以我們現在已經有成立跨部會的一個聯繫的一個機制一個處理機制先去處理那我們希望在適當的時間是不是可以可以入法了OK所以農業部已經很清楚的態度禁止海上賽哥這個事情我們是持這樣的立場\n關於後續的部分請給本席一個很完整的一個報告那我們也希望知道針對這個部分能夠對於整個賽哥這部分能夠有一個相當的一個規範好不好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.080 --> 00:01.161\n條文修正草案案。請鄭正全委員發言。\n\n00:22.651 --> 00:42.026\n部長好。你應該知道說前幾天其實有野保團體到立法院這邊來遊行嘛。了解。是。然後當時動保司長也出來接見了。接見他們的陳情嘛。是。那他們大概提出了三個主要的訴求。包括說要經濟遊蕩犬貓的一個管理跟減量。然後第二個經濟生態熱區遊蕩犬的管理計畫並擴增辦理範圍。是。\n\n00:46.911 --> 01:01.870\n三、提升國民對野生動物保育還有伴侶動物福祉的概念然後將犬貓列入課綱外來入侵種的案例那對這部分的時候因為我看到你這報告裡面寫很多針對第一個跟第二個部分\n\n01:02.791 --> 01:23.958\n正對遊蕩犬的一個管理跟那個生態熱區這邊我大概都看到你們這邊有相關的一個資料啦齁那這部分我先簡單問一個部分就是說我們目前對於整個遊蕩犬的一個推估齁到目前為止大概有多少量我想依我們最新的資料大概是279萬隻其中犬的部分大概有148萬隻貓的部分有131萬隻合起來是279萬隻\n\n01:30.921 --> 01:50.313\n這個應該不是遊蕩犬,這應該是所有的犬貓的部分。遊蕩犬的話大概是16萬隻。那因為它持續的增加,我在想說對遊蕩犬這個問題,你們這裡面有大概提到,我就不特別去追。只針對說那個,你這邊有提到說有編列村里長需要的需求的預算。\n\n01:51.453 --> 01:53.795\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃\n\n02:02.062 --> 02:27.780\n我們針對新竹市的部分我們已經有提供機會改進他們的收容所的部分那因為收容所部分其實是當你的流浪犬進到收容所的時候他不是理解其實因為還是遠遠的不夠我想說事後的時候我們再請相關單位到本辦公室來做一個進一步的推動因為新竹市的整個的一個收容所我其實完全的不足然後對於整個那個村裡的這個需求預算的部分目前編列多少預算\n\n02:28.697 --> 02:38.024\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文\n\n02:58.256 --> 03:14.612\n我我覺得這個爭議非常大因為相對的就是當你因為過往以來一直有兩個論調那你當你把它認為外來種的時候光一般民眾就覺得外來種就是\n\n03:15.751 --> 03:17.991\n本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具《動物保護法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n03:40.496 --> 03:44.219\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案．及動物保護法條文修正草案\n\n04:07.148 --> 04:13.751\n副署長嗎?我想問一下在林保署當中的時候有一個臺灣物種名錄這個網站對不對?這個網站當中的時候列了394筆入侵物種對不對?\n\n04:22.939 --> 04:36.946\n三百九十四種入侵物種當中的時候犬貓都被列入入侵物種當中請問一下我們林保署這邊怎麼來判斷它是入侵物種的科學定義是什麼\n\n04:41.247 --> 04:58.230\n這個部分是由這個科學家去做調查的這個並不是我們林保署去做一個OK可是至少在林保署當中台灣物種名稱當中的時候很清楚的把犬貓都列為入侵物種部長你知道這個事情嗎?\n\n04:59.960 --> 05:23.062\n我是看到這優勤裡面提到我才知道所以針對比方說農業部是像我們動保的一個主管單位都發生這樣的情況農業部裡面對於這件事情都有這麼大的一個落差那我們要如何去做進一步的一個監管讓台灣的動物保護能夠真正的落實下來\n\n05:24.083 --> 05:39.193\n我想我跟委員報告就是說現在目前台灣物種的這名錄並不是一個官方的名錄但是一個非常重要的是我們不能說官方怎麼弄我們就尊重其實針對是不是列入相關的入侵的物種應該要有很嚴謹的一個界定\n\n05:40.153 --> 05:50.539\n及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及\n\n06:08.990 --> 06:29.388\n對於犬貓是不是納入外來種因為野保團體他們對這部分也有一個很高理想的一個訴求因為他們希望列入外來種之後能夠減少棄養的一個狀態那在當中我們希望說農業部這邊能夠好好扮演起一個監督管理的一個角色好不好好\n\n06:30.709 --> 06:59.726\n那接下來我想問一下就是我剛剛特別提到陪伴動物這個部分陪伴動物這邊目前被認為是財產就寵物被認為是財產還是一個獨立的一個生命體部長他現在被界定於被界定為人的附屬物人的附屬物所以他算是財產然後還算不算是一個獨立的一個生命體這個部分還沒有完全\n\n07:00.746 --> 07:27.337\n還沒有完全有共識被定義齁那這個部分我會特別提到是因為坦白說現在有很多相關的一個寵物的一個相關的糾紛當中的時候那法院很多判例也判例出來喔很多的部分寵物如果不慎被撞死了或者是被醫療糾紛致死的狀態都會有一個精神的胃腑經這樣的一個情況所以某一個部分它其實是\n\n07:28.467 --> 07:56.432\n有些法院認為他有一些獨立生命體的一個特質在這裡頭那我們認為這個部分對於現在很多養寵物的家庭來說他們很多沒有養小朋友養寵物那這個趨勢其實越來越明顯所以我們希望農業部就為一個主管的一個單位能夠對這個部分有一個更清楚一個定義然後讓所有的一個陪伴動物他們有更好的一個定位可不可以\n\n07:57.052 --> 08:16.520\n我很謝謝委員的提醒,就是早期其實這些全貓我們把它當作一個附屬物,那變成一個財產的概念而已。事實上特別在少子化以後,整個的一個社會的氛圍都不一樣了。那其實我們從動物保護的角度來講,我們的態度也要做一些調整。所以這個部分我想我會有請我們動保師針對這個議題去好好的去做一個溝通。\n\n08:20.562 --> 08:22.423\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n08:39.707 --> 08:57.991\n那麼針對農委會當時的農委會現在農業部為確實掌握國內賽哥飼養的一個情況影響動物保護及防疫工作的推動那針對這個部分我發現在今天的報告當中都沒有提到海上賽哥的部分那這個部分我們這十幾年來有沒有進度\n\n08:59.250 --> 09:18.858\n我想應該在年初的時候也有委員提到這個賽歌的問題那以我個人的態度我就要求就是說我們應該禁止賽歌特別是這種海上的賽歌因為在陸上的比賽這是一件事情他累了還可以休息但是海上的時候他累了以後就直接墜海\n\n09:19.358 --> 09:40.419\n所以我們那時候我跟我們部裡面的同仁討論就是說我們第一步就是要去處理海上的賽哥的這個違法的行為所以我們現在已經有成立跨部會的一個聯繫的一個機制一個處理機制先去處理那我們希望在適當的時間是不是可以可以入法了OK所以農業部已經很清楚的態度禁止海上賽哥這個事情我們是持這樣的立場\n\n09:41.880 --> 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正鈐：在394筆入侵物種中，連犬、貓都被列入入侵物種當中，請問林保署是怎麼判斷牠是入侵物種？其科學意義是什麼？"],["林副署長澔貞：這個部分是由科學家去做調查的，這個並不是林保署去做……"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，可是至少在林保署的臺灣物種名錄網站當中，很清楚地把犬、貓都列為入侵物種，部長，你知道這個事情嗎？"],["陳部長駿季：我是看到在遊行裡面提到，我才知道。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK。針對比方說，農業部是我們動保的主管單位，都發生這樣的情況，農業部裡面對於這件事情都有這麼大的落差，我們要如何去做進一步地監管，讓臺灣的動物保護能夠真正地落實下來？"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，目前臺灣物種名錄並不是一個官方的名錄，但是一個非常重要的是，我們不能說官方怎麼弄，我們就尊重，其實針對是不是列入相關入侵的物種，應該要有很嚴謹的界定，在界定以後，對於後面的配套，不只是林保署，動保司也要……"],["鄭委員正鈐：部長，我懂你這個狀態，最主要是林保署的官網中就直接這樣講，我覺得它是有衝突跟落差的。現在講的一個，有學者這樣的狀態，然後我們當作標準，可是我們看到官網中這樣寫，就會覺得它是一個官方的態度，所以針對這個部分，我希望農業部能夠儘速整合起來，對於犬、貓是不是納入外來種，因為野保團體對這部分也有一個高理想的訴求，因為他們希望列入外來種之後能夠減少棄養的狀態，在這當中，我們希望農業部能夠好好地扮演起一個監督、管理的角色，好不好？"],["陳部長駿季：好。"],["鄭委員正鈐：接下來我想問部長，我剛剛特別提到陪伴動物這個部分，陪伴動物，就是寵物目前被認為是財產，還是一個獨立的生命體？"],["陳部長駿季：牠現在被界定為人的附屬物。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，所以牠算是財產，至於算不算是一個獨立的生命體，這個部分還沒有完全……"],["陳部長駿季：還沒有完全有共識。"],["鄭委員正鈐：被定義，我會特別提到這個部分是因為，坦白說，現在有很多寵物的糾紛，法院也有很多判例出來，寵物如果不慎被撞死或是被醫療糾紛致死的狀態，都會有一個精神的慰撫金，所以某一個部分，其實法院是認為牠有一些獨立生命體的特質在裡頭。我們認為這個部分，對於現在很多養寵物的家庭來說，他們很多沒有養小朋友，而是養寵物，這個趨勢越來越明顯，所以我們希望農業部作為一個主管單位，能夠對這個部分有一個更清楚的定義，讓所有的陪伴動物都可以有更好的定位，可不可以？"],["陳部長駿季：謝謝委員的提醒，其實早期我們是把這些犬、貓當作一個附屬物，變成一個財產的概念而已，但特別在少子化以後，整個社會的氛圍都不一樣了，其實從動物保護的角度來講，我們的態度也要做一些調整，所以這個部分我會後會請動保司針對這個議題好好地去做溝通，讓寵物真的成為我們的伴侶，特別是少子化的過程中，我們應該要這樣做，我們會來努力。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，謝謝部長。最後我提一個狀態，在2012年的時候，監察院曾經針對海上賽鴿的部分提出一個報告，針對當時的農委會、現在的農業部未確實掌握國內賽鴿飼養的情況，影響動物保護及防疫工作的推動。針對這個部分，我發現在今天的報告當中都沒有提到海上賽鴿的部分，針對這個部分，我們這十幾年來有沒有進度？"],["陳部長駿季：我想應該是年初的時候也有委員提到賽鴿的問題，以我個人的態度，我就是要求我們應該要禁止賽鴿，特別是這種海上的賽鴿，因為在陸上的比賽，這是一件事情，牠累了還可以休息，但是在海上的時候，牠累了就直接墜海，所以那時候我跟我們部裡面的同仁討論，我們第一步就是要去處理海上賽鴿這個違法的行為，所以我們現在已經有成立跨部會的聯繫處理機制先去處理，我們希望在適當的時間可以入法。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，所以農業部已經表明很清楚的態度，就是禁止海上賽鴿這個事情。"],["陳部長駿季：對，我們是持這樣的立場。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK。針對後續的部分，請給本席一個很完整的報告，我們也希望對於賽鴿的部分能夠有一個相當的規範，好不好？"],["陳部長駿季：好。"],["鄭委員正鈐：好，謝謝。"],["主席：請陳亭妃委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":70,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-19-12","speakers":["呂玉玲","徐巧芯","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","林岱樺","賴瑞隆","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","陳亭妃","楊瓊瓔","蔡易餘","謝衣鳯","陳超明","邱志偉","麥玉珍","吳宗憲","羅廷瑋","羅智強","洪申翰","郭昱晴","徐富癸","張雅琳","徐欣瑩","邱議瑩","張嘉郡","陳冠廷"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-11-13"],"gazette_id":"1139901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139901_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請農業部部長就「我國動物保護政策執行概況，及動物保護法修法規劃內容與進程」進行\n報告，並備質詢；二、審查：(一)本院委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」\n案、(二)本院委員呂玉玲等16人擬具「動物保護法第十條條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員呂玉\n玲等16人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條及第二十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)本院委員張智\n倫等16人擬具「動物保護法第十條條文修正草案」案、(五)本院委員劉建國等16人擬具「動物保\n護法部分條文修正草案」案、(六)本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之二條文修\n正草案」案、(七)本院委員林岱樺等21人擬具「動物保護法第十四條之一、第十四條之二及第三\n十條條文修正草案」案、(八)本院委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案、\n(九)本院委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等16人擬具「動物保護法第二條及第十條條文修正草案」案、\n(十)本院委員李坤城等22人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案、(十一)本院委員廖先翔等\n19人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案、(十二)本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法部\n分條文修正草案」案（詢答）","agenda_id":"1139901_00001"}}}