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00:03:05,107\n比例應該要提高我們GDP的比例是否要提高因為我們從我們在美國總統的選舉之後之前就提出未來如果川普能夠當選要對我們台灣進行進行保護費那我們現在有很多的疑慮第一個國防的預算是不是提高\n\n9\n00:03:06,378 --> 00:03:20,529\n還是要按照他們所說的提高5%或者是10%對我們整個的國金戰備包含我們的總預算的比例會有沒有影響部長你來回答\n\n10\n00:03:21,994 --> 00:03:41,420\n我剛剛就羅委員的問題我也已經回答了我們還是會依照我們的這個敵情的威脅我們作戰的實際的需要然後根據剛剛我提到的建構不對稱戰力提升防衛韌性強化後備戰力及揮射印組等幾個要項\n\n11\n00:03:43,481 --> 00:04:00,294\n來透過既有的這一個跟美方的這一個交流的機制來提出如果我們認為是需要向美方來採購的話那我們這個軍購的這個項目要跟美方做個溝通那至於因為這樣子的情況之下那麼會提升\n\n12\n00:04:01,274 --> 00:04:21,324\n到多少我現在沒有辦法給出一個一定的答案因為我們還要看整個整體的國家財政預渡那我想依照過去3年來我們的平均成長都在8%左右所以我們可以預期應該還是國防預算還是可以穩健的來成長來強化我們自我衡量的能力以及展現我們的決心\n\n13\n00:04:22,742 --> 00:04:49,139\n我們國防部我們的主計局長謝其賢中將也都表示國防預算能夠佔GDP的3%為目標另外當然美國川普的他上一任期的國家安全顧問歐布萊恩曾經在我國外國防支出的增加要到GDP的5%那\n\n14\n00:04:52,002 --> 00:05:01,782\n這樣一說對於我們的整個的財政就會影響到而且另外我特別提出來這個部分是我們\n\n15\n00:05:03,902 --> 00:05:27,743\n本席想知道國防部的想法到底國防預算未來會增加多少還是受到美國的壓力本席提供一份在斯德哥爾摩國際和平研究所裡面所提出有關於2023年世界軍事支出的這個趨勢的報告其中2023年\n\n16\n00:05:29,364 --> 00:05:42,933\n各國軍事支出佔GDP的比例超過3%的國家由一美國3.4%俄國5.9%沙烏地阿拉伯7.1%烏克蘭37%波蘭3.8%以色列5.3%阿爾及利亞8.2%科威特4.9%希臘3.2%\n\n17\n00:05:59,540 --> 00:06:24,771\n五點四那以全世界的平行為二點三和我國現有的規模差不多但是這一些比如說俄國俄國就是一個戰事的國家那另外以色列也是一個戰事的國家尤其是烏克蘭那動盪的國家裡面是阿爾及利亞包含阿曼這個國家裡面\n\n18\n00:06:25,731 --> 00:06:37,559\n他們都是在超過5%我們國內並沒有任何的動盪或是在戰備當中戰爭當中我們有必要提升5%嗎你說\n\n19\n00:06:40,562 --> 00:07:02,860\n跟委員報告我剛還是講是說我們國防部的立場還是期待這個光預算能夠穩健的成長但是我沒有辦法現在給委員一個數字說我們一定能夠占到GPP的多少那剛剛也提到就是說今年明年114年度編的裡面還有特別預算904億\n\n20\n00:07:04,361 --> 00:07:22,628\n一百一十五年還有六百九十二億那到了一百一十六年的時候呢這個特別預算就沒有了那如果從這個絕對值來看的話那我們應該有比較大的預度來進行比較\n\n21\n00:07:24,248 --> 00:07:33,864\n相關的這個採購我們所需要我剛剛提到了幾個面向的一些這個作為\n\n22\n00:07:35,701 --> 00:07:59,110\n那但是在這個部分如果都放在年度預算的話會不會擠壓到這個整體的這個行政院的預算我們這個時候就要考慮現在大概是佔國防預算是佔15%多這個大概是三年差不多都是這樣的一個比例那我們到底能夠佔到整體的預算的是多少這個部分我們還要跟主席總處來商量\n\n23\n00:07:59,750 --> 00:08:20,997\n那所以我剛剛也提到了就是說如果大家都有共識要來就這些相關我們符合我們防衛作戰需要的這些武器來編列特別預算的話我們也不會排除如果能夠獲得大院的支持的話那這樣有可能就一方面可以穩健的增加我們的國防預算一方面不會排擠到\n\n24\n00:08:21,797 --> 00:08:38,431\n這個整體的財政預算那這個部分我們會來擬議因為我們今天我們非常擔心的是什麼因為美國會對我們台灣會不會有其他的施加的壓力按照我們過去的平均值\n\n25\n00:08:39,292 --> 00:08:46,835\n今年度的國防預算占總體的GDP的2.38%整體規模為6,006億元那第二個是明年的國防預算占總體的GDP的2.45%\n\n26\n00:09:01,141 --> 00:09:21,548\n在總體的規模是6470億所以這個就是我們現在拉到這樣的一個已經算是最高的一個總預算那如果在未來因美國的壓力的話會不會有動盪到我們整個國防預算的提升\n\n27\n00:09:23,354 --> 00:09:52,134\n我想跟委員報告我們還是會按我們實際的需求來做有關我們的人員維持會由於義務益的增加我們人員維持會我們預估應該也會有一定的增加那我們作業維持會也是會增加所以如果有這樣子的一個預度的話那軍事投資的部分在我們實際需求之下我們也能夠有一個穩健的成長的話所以我們國防預算應該還是會期待有一定程度的一個增長\n\n28\n00:09:52,814 --> 00:10:05,467\n控管希望能夠這個比例一定要保持這樣的一個比例我想這就是一個國人關切的好不好應該都是要花在這個我們實際的需要上面這樣子好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1029\t2313\t謝主席有請顧部長來部長請\n10535\t36783\t是黃委員好部長好那有關於明年度的總預算終於復為了比過往晚了大約大概兩個月那請問部長對於國慶的戰備準備是否有造成影響那國慶這一段時間是否因為預算沒有復為而停止信念停止這一些進度請回答\n38290\t61244\t我想因為今年是明年還沒到今年是明年的預算所以我想如果預算沒有辦法如期通過的話當然對明年的我們的戰備準備會有比較大的影響那今年的話當然我們希望能夠如期的能夠來完成預算那就不會對明年的戰備準備造成影響我想不會造成因為\n62406\t87806\t因為這個總預算裡面是有三項第一個是禁法補償第二個就是我們的公糧收購包含我們的醫務醫療的這個部分而已另外80%以上都在進行而且是合法的進行怎麼會有影響所以很多的誤解都造成了所以要你說明我們\n89062\t100724\t副委這個部分會影響到總預算國防的總預算的進度和進行和停止訓練所以這個部分我覺得你再說清楚好不好\n102473\t126843\t我剛剛已經說了就是說現在已經互違了所以我們當然是希望如期的在今年年底以前能夠通過那如果今年年底以前能夠通過的話我想當然就不會有任何的影響但是今年年底如果沒有辦法通過的話我們的新增計畫就沒有辦法推動這樣子既有進行的不可能會因為\n128263\t154878\t總預算的因素而停止就是跟著持續案跟新的案跟部長講得清楚沒有任何在尤其是國軍的運作裡面不可能因為預算而停止訓練包含既有的進度以上跟你來說明那第二個是國防國防預算在GDP的比例我們現有的國防預算\n156579\t185107\t比例應該要提高我們GDP的比例是否要提高因為我們從我們在美國總統的選舉之後之前就提出未來如果川普能夠當選要對我們台灣進行進行保護費那我們現在有很多的疑慮第一個國防的預算是不是提高\n186378\t200529\t還是要按照他們所說的提高5%或者是10%對我們整個的國金戰備包含我們的總預算的比例會有沒有影響部長你來回答\n201994\t221420\t我剛剛就羅委員的問題我也已經回答了我們還是會依照我們的這個敵情的威脅我們作戰的實際的需要然後根據剛剛我提到的建構不對稱戰力提升防衛韌性強化後備戰力及揮射印組等幾個要項\n223481\t240294\t來透過既有的這一個跟美方的這一個交流的機制來提出如果我們認為是需要向美方來採購的話那我們這個軍購的這個項目要跟美方做個溝通那至於因為這樣子的情況之下那麼會提升\n241274\t261324\t到多少我現在沒有辦法給出一個一定的答案因為我們還要看整個整體的國家財政預渡那我想依照過去3年來我們的平均成長都在8%左右所以我們可以預期應該還是國防預算還是可以穩健的來成長來強化我們自我衡量的能力以及展現我們的決心\n262742\t289139\t我們國防部我們的主計局長謝其賢中將也都表示國防預算能夠佔GDP的3%為目標另外當然美國川普的他上一任期的國家安全顧問歐布萊恩曾經在我國外國防支出的增加要到GDP的5%那\n292002\t301782\t這樣一說對於我們的整個的財政就會影響到而且另外我特別提出來這個部分是我們\n303902\t327743\t本席想知道國防部的想法到底國防預算未來會增加多少還是受到美國的壓力本席提供一份在斯德哥爾摩國際和平研究所裡面所提出有關於2023年世界軍事支出的這個趨勢的報告其中2023年\n329364\t342933\t各國軍事支出佔GDP的比例超過3%的國家由一美國3.4%俄國5.9%沙烏地阿拉伯7.1%烏克蘭37%波蘭3.8%以色列5.3%阿爾及利亞8.2%科威特4.9%希臘3.2%\n359540\t384771\t五點四那以全世界的平行為二點三和我國現有的規模差不多但是這一些比如說俄國俄國就是一個戰事的國家那另外以色列也是一個戰事的國家尤其是烏克蘭那動盪的國家裡面是阿爾及利亞包含阿曼這個國家裡面\n385731\t397559\t他們都是在超過5%我們國內並沒有任何的動盪或是在戰備當中戰爭當中我們有必要提升5%嗎你說\n400562\t422860\t跟委員報告我剛還是講是說我們國防部的立場還是期待這個光預算能夠穩健的成長但是我沒有辦法現在給委員一個數字說我們一定能夠占到GPP的多少那剛剛也提到就是說今年明年114年度編的裡面還有特別預算904億\n424361\t442628\t一百一十五年還有六百九十二億那到了一百一十六年的時候呢這個特別預算就沒有了那如果從這個絕對值來看的話那我們應該有比較大的預度來進行比較\n444248\t453864\t相關的這個採購我們所需要我剛剛提到了幾個面向的一些這個作為\n455701\t479110\t那但是在這個部分如果都放在年度預算的話會不會擠壓到這個整體的這個行政院的預算我們這個時候就要考慮現在大概是佔國防預算是佔15%多這個大概是三年差不多都是這樣的一個比例那我們到底能夠佔到整體的預算的是多少這個部分我們還要跟主席總處來商量\n479750\t500997\t那所以我剛剛也提到了就是說如果大家都有共識要來就這些相關我們符合我們防衛作戰需要的這些武器來編列特別預算的話我們也不會排除如果能夠獲得大院的支持的話那這樣有可能就一方面可以穩健的增加我們的國防預算一方面不會排擠到\n501797\t518431\t這個整體的財政預算那這個部分我們會來擬議因為我們今天我們非常擔心的是什麼因為美國會對我們台灣會不會有其他的施加的壓力按照我們過去的平均值\n519292\t526835\t今年度的國防預算占總體的GDP的2.38%整體規模為6,006億元那第二個是明年的國防預算占總體的GDP的2.45%\n541141\t561548\t在總體的規模是6470億所以這個就是我們現在拉到這樣的一個已經算是最高的一個總預算那如果在未來因美國的壓力的話會不會有動盪到我們整個國防預算的提升\n563354\t592134\t我想跟委員報告我們還是會按我們實際的需求來做有關我們的人員維持會由於義務益的增加我們人員維持會我們預估應該也會有一定的增加那我們作業維持會也是會增加所以如果有這樣子的一個預度的話那軍事投資的部分在我們實際需求之下我們也能夠有一個穩健的成長的話所以我們國防預算應該還是會期待有一定程度的一個增長\n592814\t605467\t控管希望能夠這個比例一定要保持這樣的一個比例我想這就是一個國人關切的好不好應該都是要花在這個我們實際的需要上面這樣子好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝主席有請顧部長來部長請\n是黃委員好部長好那有關於明年度的總預算終於復為了比過往晚了大約大概兩個月那請問部長對於國慶的戰備準備是否有造成影響那國慶這一段時間是否因為預算沒有復為而停止信念停止這一些進度請回答\n我想因為今年是明年還沒到今年是明年的預算所以我想如果預算沒有辦法如期通過的話當然對明年的我們的戰備準備會有比較大的影響那今年的話當然我們希望能夠如期的能夠來完成預算那就不會對明年的戰備準備造成影響我想不會造成因為\n因為這個總預算裡面是有三項第一個是禁法補償第二個就是我們的公糧收購包含我們的醫務醫療的這個部分而已另外80%以上都在進行而且是合法的進行怎麼會有影響所以很多的誤解都造成了所以要你說明我們\n副委這個部分會影響到總預算國防的總預算的進度和進行和停止訓練所以這個部分我覺得你再說清楚好不好\n我剛剛已經說了就是說現在已經互違了所以我們當然是希望如期的在今年年底以前能夠通過那如果今年年底以前能夠通過的話我想當然就不會有任何的影響但是今年年底如果沒有辦法通過的話我們的新增計畫就沒有辦法推動這樣子既有進行的不可能會因為\n總預算的因素而停止就是跟著持續案跟新的案跟部長講得清楚沒有任何在尤其是國軍的運作裡面不可能因為預算而停止訓練包含既有的進度以上跟你來說明那第二個是國防國防預算在GDP的比例我們現有的國防預算\n比例應該要提高我們GDP的比例是否要提高因為我們從我們在美國總統的選舉之後之前就提出未來如果川普能夠當選要對我們台灣進行進行保護費那我們現在有很多的疑慮第一個國防的預算是不是提高\n還是要按照他們所說的提高5%或者是10%對我們整個的國金戰備包含我們的總預算的比例會有沒有影響部長你來回答\n我剛剛就羅委員的問題我也已經回答了我們還是會依照我們的這個敵情的威脅我們作戰的實際的需要然後根據剛剛我提到的建構不對稱戰力提升防衛韌性強化後備戰力及揮射印組等幾個要項\n來透過既有的這一個跟美方的這一個交流的機制來提出如果我們認為是需要向美方來採購的話那我們這個軍購的這個項目要跟美方做個溝通那至於因為這樣子的情況之下那麼會提升\n到多少我現在沒有辦法給出一個一定的答案因為我們還要看整個整體的國家財政預渡那我想依照過去3年來我們的平均成長都在8%左右所以我們可以預期應該還是國防預算還是可以穩健的來成長來強化我們自我衡量的能力以及展現我們的決心\n我們國防部我們的主計局長謝其賢中將也都表示國防預算能夠佔GDP的3%為目標另外當然美國川普的他上一任期的國家安全顧問歐布萊恩曾經在我國外國防支出的增加要到GDP的5%那\n這樣一說對於我們的整個的財政就會影響到而且另外我特別提出來這個部分是我們\n本席想知道國防部的想法到底國防預算未來會增加多少還是受到美國的壓力本席提供一份在斯德哥爾摩國際和平研究所裡面所提出有關於2023年世界軍事支出的這個趨勢的報告其中2023年\n各國軍事支出佔GDP的比例超過3%的國家由一美國3.4%俄國5.9%沙烏地阿拉伯7.1%烏克蘭37%波蘭3.8%以色列5.3%阿爾及利亞8.2%科威特4.9%希臘3.2%\n五點四那以全世界的平行為二點三和我國現有的規模差不多但是這一些比如說俄國俄國就是一個戰事的國家那另外以色列也是一個戰事的國家尤其是烏克蘭那動盪的國家裡面是阿爾及利亞包含阿曼這個國家裡面\n他們都是在超過5%我們國內並沒有任何的動盪或是在戰備當中戰爭當中我們有必要提升5%嗎你說\n跟委員報告我剛還是講是說我們國防部的立場還是期待這個光預算能夠穩健的成長但是我沒有辦法現在給委員一個數字說我們一定能夠占到GPP的多少那剛剛也提到就是說今年明年114年度編的裡面還有特別預算904億\n一百一十五年還有六百九十二億那到了一百一十六年的時候呢這個特別預算就沒有了那如果從這個絕對值來看的話那我們應該有比較大的預度來進行比較\n相關的這個採購我們所需要我剛剛提到了幾個面向的一些這個作為\n那但是在這個部分如果都放在年度預算的話會不會擠壓到這個整體的這個行政院的預算我們這個時候就要考慮現在大概是佔國防預算是佔15%多這個大概是三年差不多都是這樣的一個比例那我們到底能夠佔到整體的預算的是多少這個部分我們還要跟主席總處來商量\n那所以我剛剛也提到了就是說如果大家都有共識要來就這些相關我們符合我們防衛作戰需要的這些武器來編列特別預算的話我們也不會排除如果能夠獲得大院的支持的話那這樣有可能就一方面可以穩健的增加我們的國防預算一方面不會排擠到\n這個整體的財政預算那這個部分我們會來擬議因為我們今天我們非常擔心的是什麼因為美國會對我們台灣會不會有其他的施加的壓力按照我們過去的平均值\n今年度的國防預算占總體的GDP的2.38%整體規模為6,006億元那第二個是明年的國防預算占總體的GDP的2.45%\n在總體的規模是6470億所以這個就是我們現在拉到這樣的一個已經算是最高的一個總預算那如果在未來因美國的壓力的話會不會有動盪到我們整個國防預算的提升\n我想跟委員報告我們還是會按我們實際的需求來做有關我們的人員維持會由於義務益的增加我們人員維持會我們預估應該也會有一定的增加那我們作業維持會也是會增加所以如果有這樣子的一個預度的話那軍事投資的部分在我們實際需求之下我們也能夠有一個穩健的成長的話所以我們國防預算應該還是會期待有一定程度的一個增長\n控管希望能夠這個比例一定要保持這樣的一個比例我想這就是一個國人關切的好不好應該都是要花在這個我們實際的需要上面這樣子好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.029 --> 00:02.313\n謝主席有請顧部長來部長請\n\n00:10.535 --> 00:36.783\n是黃委員好部長好那有關於明年度的總預算終於復為了比過往晚了大約大概兩個月那請問部長對於國慶的戰備準備是否有造成影響那國慶這一段時間是否因為預算沒有復為而停止信念停止這一些進度請回答\n\n00:38.290 --> 01:01.244\n我想因為今年是明年還沒到今年是明年的預算所以我想如果預算沒有辦法如期通過的話當然對明年的我們的戰備準備會有比較大的影響那今年的話當然我們希望能夠如期的能夠來完成預算那就不會對明年的戰備準備造成影響我想不會造成因為\n\n01:02.406 --> 01:27.806\n因為這個總預算裡面是有三項第一個是禁法補償第二個就是我們的公糧收購包含我們的醫務醫療的這個部分而已另外80%以上都在進行而且是合法的進行怎麼會有影響所以很多的誤解都造成了所以要你說明我們\n\n01:29.062 --> 01:40.724\n副委這個部分會影響到總預算國防的總預算的進度和進行和停止訓練所以這個部分我覺得你再說清楚好不好\n\n01:42.473 --> 02:06.843\n我剛剛已經說了就是說現在已經互違了所以我們當然是希望如期的在今年年底以前能夠通過那如果今年年底以前能夠通過的話我想當然就不會有任何的影響但是今年年底如果沒有辦法通過的話我們的新增計畫就沒有辦法推動這樣子既有進行的不可能會因為\n\n02:08.263 --> 02:34.878\n總預算的因素而停止就是跟著持續案跟新的案跟部長講得清楚沒有任何在尤其是國軍的運作裡面不可能因為預算而停止訓練包含既有的進度以上跟你來說明那第二個是國防國防預算在GDP的比例我們現有的國防預算\n\n02:36.579 --> 03:05.107\n比例應該要提高我們GDP的比例是否要提高因為我們從我們在美國總統的選舉之後之前就提出未來如果川普能夠當選要對我們台灣進行進行保護費那我們現在有很多的疑慮第一個國防的預算是不是提高\n\n03:06.378 --> 03:20.529\n還是要按照他們所說的提高5%或者是10%對我們整個的國金戰備包含我們的總預算的比例會有沒有影響部長你來回答\n\n03:21.994 --> 03:41.420\n我剛剛就羅委員的問題我也已經回答了我們還是會依照我們的這個敵情的威脅我們作戰的實際的需要然後根據剛剛我提到的建構不對稱戰力提升防衛韌性強化後備戰力及揮射印組等幾個要項\n\n03:43.481 --> 04:00.294\n來透過既有的這一個跟美方的這一個交流的機制來提出如果我們認為是需要向美方來採購的話那我們這個軍購的這個項目要跟美方做個溝通那至於因為這樣子的情況之下那麼會提升\n\n04:01.274 --> 04:21.324\n到多少我現在沒有辦法給出一個一定的答案因為我們還要看整個整體的國家財政預渡那我想依照過去3年來我們的平均成長都在8%左右所以我們可以預期應該還是國防預算還是可以穩健的來成長來強化我們自我衡量的能力以及展現我們的決心\n\n04:22.742 --> 04:49.139\n我們國防部我們的主計局長謝其賢中將也都表示國防預算能夠佔GDP的3%為目標另外當然美國川普的他上一任期的國家安全顧問歐布萊恩曾經在我國外國防支出的增加要到GDP的5%那\n\n04:52.002 --> 05:01.782\n這樣一說對於我們的整個的財政就會影響到而且另外我特別提出來這個部分是我們\n\n05:03.902 --> 05:27.743\n本席想知道國防部的想法到底國防預算未來會增加多少還是受到美國的壓力本席提供一份在斯德哥爾摩國際和平研究所裡面所提出有關於2023年世界軍事支出的這個趨勢的報告其中2023年\n\n05:29.364 --> 05:42.933\n各國軍事支出佔GDP的比例超過3%的國家由一美國3.4%俄國5.9%沙烏地阿拉伯7.1%烏克蘭37%波蘭3.8%以色列5.3%阿爾及利亞8.2%科威特4.9%希臘3.2%\n\n05:59.540 --> 06:24.771\n五點四那以全世界的平行為二點三和我國現有的規模差不多但是這一些比如說俄國俄國就是一個戰事的國家那另外以色列也是一個戰事的國家尤其是烏克蘭那動盪的國家裡面是阿爾及利亞包含阿曼這個國家裡面\n\n06:25.731 --> 06:37.559\n他們都是在超過5%我們國內並沒有任何的動盪或是在戰備當中戰爭當中我們有必要提升5%嗎你說\n\n06:40.562 --> 07:02.860\n跟委員報告我剛還是講是說我們國防部的立場還是期待這個光預算能夠穩健的成長但是我沒有辦法現在給委員一個數字說我們一定能夠占到GPP的多少那剛剛也提到就是說今年明年114年度編的裡面還有特別預算904億\n\n07:04.361 --> 07:22.628\n一百一十五年還有六百九十二億那到了一百一十六年的時候呢這個特別預算就沒有了那如果從這個絕對值來看的話那我們應該有比較大的預度來進行比較\n\n07:24.248 --> 07:33.864\n相關的這個採購我們所需要我剛剛提到了幾個面向的一些這個作為\n\n07:35.701 --> 07:59.110\n那但是在這個部分如果都放在年度預算的話會不會擠壓到這個整體的這個行政院的預算我們這個時候就要考慮現在大概是佔國防預算是佔15%多這個大概是三年差不多都是這樣的一個比例那我們到底能夠佔到整體的預算的是多少這個部分我們還要跟主席總處來商量\n\n07:59.750 --> 08:20.997\n那所以我剛剛也提到了就是說如果大家都有共識要來就這些相關我們符合我們防衛作戰需要的這些武器來編列特別預算的話我們也不會排除如果能夠獲得大院的支持的話那這樣有可能就一方面可以穩健的增加我們的國防預算一方面不會排擠到\n\n08:21.797 --> 08:38.431\n這個整體的財政預算那這個部分我們會來擬議因為我們今天我們非常擔心的是什麼因為美國會對我們台灣會不會有其他的施加的壓力按照我們過去的平均值\n\n08:39.292 --> 08:46.835\n今年度的國防預算占總體的GDP的2.38%整體規模為6,006億元那第二個是明年的國防預算占總體的GDP的2.45%\n\n09:01.141 --> 09:21.548\n在總體的規模是6470億所以這個就是我們現在拉到這樣的一個已經算是最高的一個總預算那如果在未來因美國的壓力的話會不會有動盪到我們整個國防預算的提升\n\n09:23.354 --> 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