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00:00:58,801\n陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠�\n\n4\n00:01:15,168 --> 00:01:32,428\n那至於電動公車我們是一就是本條例十二之三條規定我們希望他免徵貨物稅那部長你對於這樣子的一個修法那你覺得覺得他你認為你的態度你個人的態度是怎樣\n\n5\n00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:54,789\n剛剛委員所提到就是對於這個所謂的那個什麼低底盤公車還有那個這部分因為要符合2050的淨零碳排的目標所以鼓勵公車都去用電動化所以就停這個部分的貨物稅免徵就停止那至於所謂聲音障礙的或者是那個\n\n6\n00:01:56,730 --> 00:02:11,364\n搭運送那個輪椅使用者的車輛叫富康巴士等等持續的給予這個免徵貨物稅我們認為是對於這個行動不便者是一個友善的一個環境是需要這樣子去做的是所以部長你也同意嗎\n\n7\n00:02:12,185 --> 00:02:13,926\n蔣麗華SaidhaiTahovecahe\n\n8\n00:02:31,898 --> 00:02:44,224\n這個底盤的公車還有他油電混合車的免徵那個貨物稅的一個優惠那到延長到2030年年底我希望得到部長的一個支持部長你的看法啦\n\n9\n00:02:45,786 --> 00:02:51,889\n希望在低底盤公車的部分對於行動障礙的人會比較方便希望持續免徵我想這個部分因為交通部希望能夠達成用電動公車這樣的一個目的來鼓勵大家轉用電動公車我想這個政策目的是需要能夠達成\n\n10\n00:03:07,895 --> 00:03:08,376\n吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯\n\n11\n00:03:24,912 --> 00:03:41,645\n好委員好報告委員就是有關地底盤的公車的部分現在目前所推動的電動巴士電動公車的部分都是地底盤的方式所以呢我們針對那個燃油的地底盤的部分就認為說不要再去補助了\n\n12\n00:03:42,105 --> 00:03:55,951\n那早期目前我們已經現在已經進入2023年的這個旱台目標已經要進入推廣電動巴士的這個地底盤電動巴士的部分所以目前所有的業者大部分在購買電動\n\n13\n00:03:58,033 --> 00:04:02,877\n陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員\n\n14\n00:04:18,553 --> 00:04:19,594\n蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文\n\n15\n00:04:36,664 --> 00:04:55,450\n蔣麗華SaidhaiTahovecahe等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人\n\n16\n00:04:57,931 --> 00:05:24,033\n雖然還沒有公布可是我們從民眾的反映裡頭還有有關新聞的一個報導裡頭我們知道除了高鐵以外所有的公共運輸的使用情形都非常的不理想那尤其是我的選區喔我的選區我們搭高鐵是在嘉義太保啊所以客運是一個我的選區裡頭最重要的一個公共運具那如果以你們這樣子就是說\n\n17\n00:05:25,444 --> 00:05:52,794\n就是你們這樣子的一個政策去實施的話那我都是在六都裡頭了那是不是其他的縣、轄市呢是不是會更慘記者委員好針對就是說雖然剛剛有提到的一些各縣市政府推動電動巴士電動公車稍微比較慢的一個情況是因為有關疫情期間因為在人力上\n\n18\n00:05:53,154 --> 00:05:55,035\n副副副副副副副副副副副副\n\n19\n00:06:14,647 --> 00:06:37,208\n這讓我們受傷非常嚴重的一個地方那有沒有比較好的方式如果就是說你這個還沒有恢復元氣之前然後就是說它其實相對的就是說我們以最新一期的那個載印量我用2024的4月份失去了公車的載印量跟疫情那個之前2019年同期我們還衰退了19%\n\n20\n00:06:38,849 --> 00:06:40,470\n蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文\n\n21\n00:07:00,177 --> 00:07:09,793\n因為我的選區都是偏鄉嘛所以這個對我來講非常的重要那如果就是說你這個法這樣修的話對我的傷害是非常大的\n\n22\n00:07:12,329 --> 00:07:21,514\n謝謝委員因為有關就是說雖然我們的剛剛看到數據是有一點點稍微慢了一點點可是在今年不是稍微慢了一點點是慢了很多對在今年的部分我們所預期的部分在電動公車的推廣部分有比較稍微有快了一點我跟你講\n\n23\n00:07:32,719 --> 00:07:43,170\n陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠�\n\n24\n00:07:54,102 --> 00:08:07,189\n在這個TPAS的方案在全國19個縣市其實都配合實施了可是你推出到今年7月底的時候全國的累計數量才只有833萬這個價值的購買顯然我們看到這個數據其實是很不漂亮的\n\n25\n00:08:14,953 --> 00:08:28,889\n這個是非常的不漂亮那為什麼要跟你講這麼多的一個問題因為今天在財政委員會裡頭我們覺得就是說國家的一個財政其實要照顧到很多很多偏鄉的這些百姓\n\n26\n00:08:29,369 --> 00:08:54,705\n尤其是他的公共運具的一個實施這個顯然是我們所有這個長輩65歲以上的一個長輩就是他他要外出搭乘的時候他其實他的選擇性當然我們希望說班次要密集那票價要便宜可是看起來大家好像都是做不到都做不到那你集中就只有在雙北\n\n27\n00:08:55,606 --> 00:09:01,070\n陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員\n\n28\n00:09:25,546 --> 00:09:27,147\n蔡其昌等18人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委\n\n29\n00:09:42,604 --> 00:10:09,460\n那就是說我們在看啊T-PASS的一個使用顯然都是偏重在雙北啊都是在雙北啊那即使年我們就是說我用台南為例來跟你溝通這到台南的公車無線搭這個一個套裝的行程是299然後台南的境內公車加火車無線搭是399那高屏、南高屏的那個運輸走透透是999\n\n30\n00:10:10,481 --> 00:10:34,537\n阿這個情況使用的好不好顯然也不好阿可是你不好你還是不能把它廢掉阿因為太窮了你不能連這種公共運具都把我們減掉了所以事後我有一些要求的素面資料我再給你帶回去再回顧給我好不好好這個對偏鄉其實是有很大的一個影響謝謝委員謝謝主席\n\n31\n00:10:38,251 --> 00:10:40,033\n好謝謝賴會員趙薇下一位有請顏寬恆委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1050\t9574\t好請財政部長交通部檢記證是王檢任記證王檢任記證交通部王檢任記證委員部王檢任記證市長部長好這個我們這個信賴年限我我我我應該是比較不會\n20527\t46396\t這麼多的一個議題部長因為我們今天修那個就是貨物稅的條例是那接著是不是就是說來跟部長做一個探討我們為了保障身心障礙者我們希望就是說延長購買復康巴士那符合就是在載運輪椅安全基準的一個策略那我們希望就是說免徵貨物稅實施的期限\n47556\t58801\t陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠�\n75168\t92428\t那至於電動公車我們是一就是本條例十二之三條規定我們希望他免徵貨物稅那部長你對於這樣子的一個修法那你覺得覺得他你認為你的態度你個人的態度是怎樣\n94080\t114789\t剛剛委員所提到就是對於這個所謂的那個什麼低底盤公車還有那個這部分因為要符合2050的淨零碳排的目標所以鼓勵公車都去用電動化所以就停這個部分的貨物稅免徵就停止那至於所謂聲音障礙的或者是那個\n116730\t131364\t搭運送那個輪椅使用者的車輛叫富康巴士等等持續的給予這個免徵貨物稅我們認為是對於這個行動不便者是一個友善的一個環境是需要這樣子去做的是所以部長你也同意嗎\n132185\t133926\t蔣麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe\n151898\t164224\t這個底盤的公車還有他油電混合車的免徵那個貨物稅的一個優惠那到延長到2030年年底我希望得到部長的一個支持部長你的看法啦\n165786\t171889\t希望在低底盤公車的部分對於行動障礙的人會比較方便希望持續免徵我想這個部分因為交通部希望能夠達成用電動公車這樣的一個目的來鼓勵大家轉用電動公車我想這個政策目的是需要能夠達成\n187895\t188376\t吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯\n204912\t221645\t好委員好報告委員就是有關地底盤的公車的部分現在目前所推動的電動巴士電動公車的部分都是地底盤的方式所以呢我們針對那個燃油的地底盤的部分就認為說不要再去補助了\n222105\t235951\t那早期目前我們已經現在已經進入2023年的這個旱台目標已經要進入推廣電動巴士的這個地底盤電動巴士的部分所以目前所有的業者大部分在購買電動\n238033\t242877\t陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員\n258553\t259594\t蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文\n276664\t295450\t蔣麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人\n297931\t324033\t雖然還沒有公布可是我們從民眾的反映裡頭還有有關新聞的一個報導裡頭我們知道除了高鐵以外所有的公共運輸的使用情形都非常的不理想那尤其是我的選區喔我的選區我們搭高鐵是在嘉義太保啊所以客運是一個我的選區裡頭最重要的一個公共運具那如果以你們這樣子就是說\n325444\t352794\t就是你們這樣子的一個政策去實施的話那我都是在六都裡頭了那是不是其他的縣、轄市呢是不是會更慘記者委員好針對就是說雖然剛剛有提到的一些各縣市政府推動電動巴士電動公車稍微比較慢的一個情況是因為有關疫情期間因為在人力上\n353154\t355035\t副副副副副副副副副副副副\n374647\t397208\t這讓我們受傷非常嚴重的一個地方那有沒有比較好的方式如果就是說你這個還沒有恢復元氣之前然後就是說它其實相對的就是說我們以最新一期的那個載印量我用2024的4月份失去了公車的載印量跟疫情那個之前2019年同期我們還衰退了19%\n398849\t400470\t蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文\n420177\t429793\t因為我的選區都是偏鄉嘛所以這個對我來講非常的重要那如果就是說你這個法這樣修的話對我的傷害是非常大的\n432329\t441514\t謝謝委員因為有關就是說雖然我們的剛剛看到數據是有一點點稍微慢了一點點可是在今年不是稍微慢了一點點是慢了很多對在今年的部分我們所預期的部分在電動公車的推廣部分有比較稍微有快了一點我跟你講\n452719\t463170\t陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠�\n474102\t487189\t在這個TPAS的方案在全國19個縣市其實都配合實施了可是你推出到今年7月底的時候全國的累計數量才只有833萬這個價值的購買顯然我們看到這個數據其實是很不漂亮的\n494953\t508889\t這個是非常的不漂亮那為什麼要跟你講這麼多的一個問題因為今天在財政委員會裡頭我們覺得就是說國家的一個財政其實要照顧到很多很多偏鄉的這些百姓\n509369\t534705\t尤其是他的公共運具的一個實施這個顯然是我們所有這個長輩65歲以上的一個長輩就是他他要外出搭乘的時候他其實他的選擇性當然我們希望說班次要密集那票價要便宜可是看起來大家好像都是做不到都做不到那你集中就只有在雙北\n535606\t541070\t陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員\n565546\t567147\t蔡其昌等18人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委\n582604\t609460\t那就是說我們在看啊T-PASS的一個使用顯然都是偏重在雙北啊都是在雙北啊那即使年我們就是說我用台南為例來跟你溝通這到台南的公車無線搭這個一個套裝的行程是299然後台南的境內公車加火車無線搭是399那高屏、南高屏的那個運輸走透透是999\n610481\t634537\t阿這個情況使用的好不好顯然也不好阿可是你不好你還是不能把它廢掉阿因為太窮了你不能連這種公共運具都把我們減掉了所以事後我有一些要求的素面資料我再給你帶回去再回顧給我好不好好這個對偏鄉其實是有很大的一個影響謝謝委員謝謝主席\n638251\t640033\t好謝謝賴會員趙薇下一位有請顏寬恆委員\n","txt":"好請財政部長交通部檢記證是王檢任記證王檢任記證交通部王檢任記證委員部王檢任記證市長部長好這個我們這個信賴年限我我我我應該是比較不會\n這麼多的一個議題部長因為我們今天修那個就是貨物稅的條例是那接著是不是就是說來跟部長做一個探討我們為了保障身心障礙者我們希望就是說延長購買復康巴士那符合就是在載運輪椅安全基準的一個策略那我們希望就是說免徵貨物稅實施的期限\n陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠�\n那至於電動公車我們是一就是本條例十二之三條規定我們希望他免徵貨物稅那部長你對於這樣子的一個修法那你覺得覺得他你認為你的態度你個人的態度是怎樣\n剛剛委員所提到就是對於這個所謂的那個什麼低底盤公車還有那個這部分因為要符合2050的淨零碳排的目標所以鼓勵公車都去用電動化所以就停這個部分的貨物稅免徵就停止那至於所謂聲音障礙的或者是那個\n搭運送那個輪椅使用者的車輛叫富康巴士等等持續的給予這個免徵貨物稅我們認為是對於這個行動不便者是一個友善的一個環境是需要這樣子去做的是所以部長你也同意嗎\n蔣麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe\n這個底盤的公車還有他油電混合車的免徵那個貨物稅的一個優惠那到延長到2030年年底我希望得到部長的一個支持部長你的看法啦\n希望在低底盤公車的部分對於行動障礙的人會比較方便希望持續免徵我想這個部分因為交通部希望能夠達成用電動公車這樣的一個目的來鼓勵大家轉用電動公車我想這個政策目的是需要能夠達成\n吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯\n好委員好報告委員就是有關地底盤的公車的部分現在目前所推動的電動巴士電動公車的部分都是地底盤的方式所以呢我們針對那個燃油的地底盤的部分就認為說不要再去補助了\n那早期目前我們已經現在已經進入2023年的這個旱台目標已經要進入推廣電動巴士的這個地底盤電動巴士的部分所以目前所有的業者大部分在購買電動\n陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員\n蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文\n蔣麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人\n雖然還沒有公布可是我們從民眾的反映裡頭還有有關新聞的一個報導裡頭我們知道除了高鐵以外所有的公共運輸的使用情形都非常的不理想那尤其是我的選區喔我的選區我們搭高鐵是在嘉義太保啊所以客運是一個我的選區裡頭最重要的一個公共運具那如果以你們這樣子就是說\n就是你們這樣子的一個政策去實施的話那我都是在六都裡頭了那是不是其他的縣、轄市呢是不是會更慘記者委員好針對就是說雖然剛剛有提到的一些各縣市政府推動電動巴士電動公車稍微比較慢的一個情況是因為有關疫情期間因為在人力上\n副副副副副副副副副副副副\n這讓我們受傷非常嚴重的一個地方那有沒有比較好的方式如果就是說你這個還沒有恢復元氣之前然後就是說它其實相對的就是說我們以最新一期的那個載印量我用2024的4月份失去了公車的載印量跟疫情那個之前2019年同期我們還衰退了19%\n蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文\n因為我的選區都是偏鄉嘛所以這個對我來講非常的重要那如果就是說你這個法這樣修的話對我的傷害是非常大的\n謝謝委員因為有關就是說雖然我們的剛剛看到數據是有一點點稍微慢了一點點可是在今年不是稍微慢了一點點是慢了很多對在今年的部分我們所預期的部分在電動公車的推廣部分有比較稍微有快了一點我跟你講\n陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠�\n在這個TPAS的方案在全國19個縣市其實都配合實施了可是你推出到今年7月底的時候全國的累計數量才只有833萬這個價值的購買顯然我們看到這個數據其實是很不漂亮的\n這個是非常的不漂亮那為什麼要跟你講這麼多的一個問題因為今天在財政委員會裡頭我們覺得就是說國家的一個財政其實要照顧到很多很多偏鄉的這些百姓\n尤其是他的公共運具的一個實施這個顯然是我們所有這個長輩65歲以上的一個長輩就是他他要外出搭乘的時候他其實他的選擇性當然我們希望說班次要密集那票價要便宜可是看起來大家好像都是做不到都做不到那你集中就只有在雙北\n陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員\n蔡其昌等18人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委\n那就是說我們在看啊T-PASS的一個使用顯然都是偏重在雙北啊都是在雙北啊那即使年我們就是說我用台南為例來跟你溝通這到台南的公車無線搭這個一個套裝的行程是299然後台南的境內公車加火車無線搭是399那高屏、南高屏的那個運輸走透透是999\n阿這個情況使用的好不好顯然也不好阿可是你不好你還是不能把它廢掉阿因為太窮了你不能連這種公共運具都把我們減掉了所以事後我有一些要求的素面資料我再給你帶回去再回顧給我好不好好這個對偏鄉其實是有很大的一個影響謝謝委員謝謝主席\n好謝謝賴會員趙薇下一位有請顏寬恆委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.050 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02:51.889\n希望在低底盤公車的部分對於行動障礙的人會比較方便希望持續免徵我想這個部分因為交通部希望能夠達成用電動公車這樣的一個目的來鼓勵大家轉用電動公車我想這個政策目的是需要能夠達成\n\n03:07.895 --> 03:08.376\n吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯\n\n03:24.912 --> 03:41.645\n好委員好報告委員就是有關地底盤的公車的部分現在目前所推動的電動巴士電動公車的部分都是地底盤的方式所以呢我們針對那個燃油的地底盤的部分就認為說不要再去補助了\n\n03:42.105 --> 03:55.951\n那早期目前我們已經現在已經進入2023年的這個旱台目標已經要進入推廣電動巴士的這個地底盤電動巴士的部分所以目前所有的業者大部分在購買電動\n\n03:58.033 --> 04:02.877\n陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員\n\n04:18.553 --> 04:19.594\n蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文\n\n04:36.664 --> 04:55.450\n蔣麗華SaidhaiTahovecahe等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人\n\n04:57.931 --> 05:24.033\n雖然還沒有公布可是我們從民眾的反映裡頭還有有關新聞的一個報導裡頭我們知道除了高鐵以外所有的公共運輸的使用情形都非常的不理想那尤其是我的選區喔我的選區我們搭高鐵是在嘉義太保啊所以客運是一個我的選區裡頭最重要的一個公共運具那如果以你們這樣子就是說\n\n05:25.444 --> 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