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00:00:37,834\n部長這一次這個11月的颱風我想這個災情最嚴重應該就是在所謂的一個蚵農的部分因為在我們整個海岸線整個狂風暴雨這個是真的很讓人家\n\n3\n00:00:38,835 --> 00:01:04,066\n非常擔心害怕所以在整個科農的部分當時我們第一時間就去現場看了那在整個科農的部分現在有兩個區塊第一個區塊就是我們一直在跟你們說的就是說我們科棚在這一次如何能夠再補助而且不超越我們的所謂災害補助的這樣的一個範圍之內然後可以給我們\n\n4\n00:01:08,088 --> 00:01:27,461\n這個地方的科農有一個補償那我們當時候談的就是說可能中央補助一個科棚5000元那市政府我相信我們也跟黃偉哲市長說了黃偉哲市長也說OK在一個科棚只要中央有補助5000元他也願意協助這1000元沒有問題那這個進度到底如何\n\n5\n00:01:28,502 --> 00:01:49,182\n我先跟委員說明就是第一個非常感謝委員其實在颱風的第一時間針對蚵棚的一些問題就提跟我們農業部來反應那蚵棚這個問題基本上是因為他那時候還沒有漁業權所以沒有所謂的養殖登記那他被颱風吹走以後他不能用天然災害救助的方式去處理\n\n6\n00:01:50,043 --> 00:02:17,688\n那我想委員也一直要求說：所以我第一時間在現場的時候我就說你不能用漁權這兩個字來限制對但是相對我們也後來一開始的時候包括我們內部說不能說天然災害救生圖就可能沒辦法但是我們還是持續的去討論其中有一個非常重要的就是包括委員還有其他委員也在支持的就是那個區塊本身的區外漁業權現在已經進到了行政院在審查表示可以去通過那\n\n7\n00:02:19,688 --> 00:02:21,630\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n8\n00:02:34,525 --> 00:02:40,327\n規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進\n\n9\n00:02:52,970 --> 00:03:17,301\n措施,所以這個對農民長期以來愚民的部分是非常極度的不公平所以我們爭取很久了現在行政院已經在做一個審核的階段所以當時候在第一時間我們就說你不能再用這個漁業權的部分去限制在這一次磕棚的補助我相信那一天本來要邀請部長下去因為部長當天在處理預算的問題\n\n10\n00:03:19,542 --> 00:03:23,643\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n11\n00:03:43,789 --> 00:04:05,554\n所以我們也同意嘛就以5000然後四伏來補助1000一樣這個標準沒改變只是我們大家彼此互相用我們能夠去協助科民還有我們漁民的一個救助的方向來做處理好那現在進度如何根據我們應該是昨天吧還是前天\n\n12\n00:04:06,434 --> 00:04:11,038\n本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n13\n00:04:32,516 --> 00:04:46,645\n應該最後我們確認因為經費有來源了然後我們也訂出了一個標準就是說不能比天然災害救助還高然後我們農業部確定我們補助是5000塊然後我們也期待台南市政府可以\n\n14\n00:04:47,405 --> 00:04:48,145\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n15\n00:05:11,494 --> 00:05:14,095\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n16\n00:05:36,283 --> 00:05:43,089\n本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案案條文修正草案條文修正草案條文修正草案條文修正草案條文修正草案條文修正草案\n\n17\n00:06:00,666 --> 00:06:06,714\n這個很確定了不要再拖了這個部分因為現在又要面臨另外一個颱風了這個颱風到底會不會進來現在大家還在看整個氣象的轉變所以這個是已經\n\n18\n00:06:16,066 --> 00:06:41,553\n對台灣來講很特別了從來沒有11月台還這一次有可能這樣子夾著那麼多個颱風有進來沒有進來整個熱半氣流這樣的一個處理所以我認為我們就是要把整個制度做得更完整還有另外一個就是說好11月台真的比較恐怖好在整個颱風天我們要讓蚵棚怎麼避風\n\n19\n00:06:43,314 --> 00:06:53,984\n我跟委員報告就是在這次的那個康威颱風來的時候曾經有要求到漁港去避風但是漁港本身很擔心科棚\n\n20\n00:06:55,163 --> 00:07:17,440\n會影響到漁船沒錯然後因為時間也很短但是我已經要求漁業署跟台南市政府因為他是代管的還有相關的這些漁民要在明年的訓期之前定一個辦法對因為漁港畢竟他沒有辦法容納所有的科棚因為科棚六七千棚他那邊只有大概一兩百棚而已所以怎麼樣的運氣規則要定好\n\n21\n00:07:19,621 --> 00:07:35,471\n這個很重要就是說在明年訊息前你要訂出遊戲規則否則你遊戲規則沒有訂好的話很容易引發地方的爭議但是這個需不需要這個也必要因為這一定要的因為你沒有讓他可以進來做\n\n22\n00:07:37,292 --> 00:07:41,615\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n23\n00:08:01,139 --> 00:08:18,184\n這也是我常常說的就是特別是蚵棚我們的養殖醫院其實真的是靠天吃飯不怕颱風那過往的颱風因為臺南的地區剛好是這段時間在養殖他如果颱風因為今年的颱風是比較特殊所以我們希望說\n\n24\n00:08:19,471 --> 00:08:28,395\n再看看有沒有更安全能夠讓那個磕棚能夠比較固定耐風的包括浮球包括很多相關的這些設備我們後續還會用輔導的方式來協助。部長\n\n25\n00:08:33,387 --> 00:08:57,326\n很難啊這種11月台這種風很恐怖啦你再多什麼樣的一個設備還是一樣沒有辦法去抵擋所以我覺得當然我們要未雨綢繆這些所謂的加強設施也要可是第二個就是說我們要怎麼讓他們能夠避風整個遊戲規則拜託在我們訓期前要把定出遊戲規則跟辦法然後再來就是我們當時候\n\n26\n00:09:02,010 --> 00:09:28,601\n楊香瓜紅蔥頭玉米番茄還有我們的芝麻基本上都受損嚴重但是現在有一個問題喔我們現在有很多延遲性的摘損喔這些部分是不是我們應該各區各品項去完整了解這個就像我之前跟你講的現在地方跟中央的職責你知道地方都推給中央然後都說中央都還沒有定\n\n27\n00:09:29,401 --> 00:09:45,414\n還沒有公告然後也不去訴報結果農民都不知道該怎麼辦然後他沒有趕快整理的話又會搞著現在很多的問題你像我昨天就接到永康西市塞市塞市趕快去告訴我他們現在都完全沒辦法整啊\n\n28\n00:09:50,026 --> 00:09:56,590\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法\n\n29\n00:10:09,378 --> 00:10:36,951\n然後都要我們一個一個打電話去跟區公署說拜託你們就讓我們的農民可以速報你速報之後才能給農業局農業局才能給農業部啊可是這個部分SOP到底怎麼制定呢我跟委員報告齁其實天然災看災一定已經有一個完整的SOP那當初大面積天災來的時候我們農業部主動的去看了以後用主動公告\n\n30\n00:10:37,967 --> 00:10:39,807\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n31\n00:10:57,712 --> 00:11:19,672\n各縣市政府好各縣市我不管台南市現在已經發生了在當時候這個颱風11月台開始的時候已經發生了這延遲性的然後甚至有很多他根本就沒有辦法栽種的造成栽損的是不是台南市你要求各區公所趕快去做各品項的盤整了解\n\n32\n00:11:20,453 --> 00:11:23,776\n是不是可以然後再報給農業局然後再報給你們農業部你要請市政府要去做一些擔當啦我想我們會跟市政府溝通就是說有特別是您所提的延遲性的災損不可能用主動公報的方式一定是由地方政府區公署那邊來提報他現在都說沒有我們就在等中央\n\n33\n00:11:40,990 --> 00:11:42,512\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n34\n00:12:02,475 --> 00:12:06,757\n這個隧道是你知道嗎?我去現場看的時候那些農民跟我講說他是要兩粒耶然後在那我們的楊香瓜我們的蚵蜜啦他是一粒這樣要怎麼蓋啊兩粒在裡面這樣一粒一粒這樣把它蓋起來蓋起來啊去蓋一粒耶各位知道我們的隧道是所有的全部都被吹掉了這怎麼辦?\n\n35\n00:12:26,263 --> 00:12:28,965\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。\n\n36\n00:12:47,696 --> 00:12:49,778\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容\n\n37\n00:13:02,808 --> 00:13:04,369\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃\n\n38\n00:13:25,817 --> 00:13:26,418\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n39\n00:13:47,632 --> 00:14:10,048\n所以拜託部長這個隧道是你要趕快去做什麼樣的一個規劃然後怎麼樣的一個救助的方式要重新評估我們我們在應該在11月底就開始會去討論明年1月一定會新的公告把新的一些我們沒有過去沒有想到的再拜託喔那這個要納入喔這個我已經跟你講了這個一定要納入喔11月份我想我們還會透過專家會議來討論怎麼樣處理這個好不好好再拜託\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t1070\t陳庭菲委員質詢陳庭菲委員質詢陳庭菲委員質詢\n20363\t37834\t部長這一次這個11月的颱風我想這個災情最嚴重應該就是在所謂的一個蚵農的部分因為在我們整個海岸線整個狂風暴雨這個是真的很讓人家\n38835\t64066\t非常擔心害怕所以在整個科農的部分當時我們第一時間就去現場看了那在整個科農的部分現在有兩個區塊第一個區塊就是我們一直在跟你們說的就是說我們科棚在這一次如何能夠再補助而且不超越我們的所謂災害補助的這樣的一個範圍之內然後可以給我們\n68088\t87461\t這個地方的科農有一個補償那我們當時候談的就是說可能中央補助一個科棚5000元那市政府我相信我們也跟黃偉哲市長說了黃偉哲市長也說OK在一個科棚只要中央有補助5000元他也願意協助這1000元沒有問題那這個進度到底如何\n88502\t109182\t我先跟委員說明就是第一個非常感謝委員其實在颱風的第一時間針對蚵棚的一些問題就提跟我們農業部來反應那蚵棚這個問題基本上是因為他那時候還沒有漁業權所以沒有所謂的養殖登記那他被颱風吹走以後他不能用天然災害救助的方式去處理\n110043\t137688\t那我想委員也一直要求說：所以我第一時間在現場的時候我就說你不能用漁權這兩個字來限制對但是相對我們也後來一開始的時候包括我們內部說不能說天然災害救生圖就可能沒辦法但是我們還是持續的去討論其中有一個非常重要的就是包括委員還有其他委員也在支持的就是那個區塊本身的區外漁業權現在已經進到了行政院在審查表示可以去通過那\n139688\t141630\t條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n154525\t160327\t規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進\n172970\t197301\t措施,所以這個對農民長期以來愚民的部分是非常極度的不公平所以我們爭取很久了現在行政院已經在做一個審核的階段所以當時候在第一時間我們就說你不能再用這個漁業權的部分去限制在這一次磕棚的補助我相信那一天本來要邀請部長下去因為部長當天在處理預算的問題\n199542\t203643\t部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n223789\t245554\t所以我們也同意嘛就以5000然後四伏來補助1000一樣這個標準沒改變只是我們大家彼此互相用我們能夠去協助科民還有我們漁民的一個救助的方向來做處理好那現在進度如何根據我們應該是昨天吧還是前天\n246434\t251038\t本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n272516\t286645\t應該最後我們確認因為經費有來源了然後我們也訂出了一個標準就是說不能比天然災害救助還高然後我們農業部確定我們補助是5000塊然後我們也期待台南市政府可以\n287405\t288145\t規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n311494\t314095\t部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n336283\t343089\t本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案案 條文修正草案 條文修正草案 條文修正草案 條文修正草案 條文修正草案 條文修正草案\n360666\t366714\t這個很確定了不要再拖了這個部分因為現在又要面臨另外一個颱風了這個颱風到底會不會進來現在大家還在看整個氣象的轉變所以這個是已經\n376066\t401553\t對台灣來講很特別了從來沒有11月台還這一次有可能這樣子夾著那麼多個颱風有進來沒有進來整個熱半氣流這樣的一個處理所以我認為我們就是要把整個制度做得更完整還有另外一個就是說好11月台真的比較恐怖好在整個颱風天我們要讓蚵棚怎麼避風\n403314\t413984\t我跟委員報告就是在這次的那個康威颱風來的時候曾經有要求到漁港去避風但是漁港本身很擔心科棚\n415163\t437440\t會影響到漁船沒錯然後因為時間也很短但是我已經要求漁業署跟台南市政府因為他是代管的還有相關的這些漁民要在明年的訓期之前定一個辦法對因為漁港畢竟他沒有辦法容納所有的科棚因為科棚六七千棚他那邊只有大概一兩百棚而已所以怎麼樣的運氣規則要定好\n439621\t455471\t這個很重要就是說在明年訊息前你要訂出遊戲規則否則你遊戲規則沒有訂好的話很容易引發地方的爭議但是這個需不需要這個也必要因為這一定要的因為你沒有讓他可以進來做\n457292\t461615\t部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n481139\t498184\t這也是我常常說的就是特別是蚵棚我們的養殖醫院其實真的是靠天吃飯不怕颱風那過往的颱風因為臺南的地區剛好是這段時間在養殖他如果颱風因為今年的颱風是比較特殊所以我們希望說\n499471\t508395\t再看看有沒有更安全能夠讓那個磕棚能夠比較固定耐風的包括浮球包括很多相關的這些設備我們後續還會用輔導的方式來協助。部長\n513387\t537326\t很難啊這種11月台這種風很恐怖啦你再多什麼樣的一個設備還是一樣沒有辦法去抵擋所以我覺得當然我們要未雨綢繆這些所謂的加強設施也要可是第二個就是說我們要怎麼讓他們能夠避風整個遊戲規則拜託在我們訓期前要把定出遊戲規則跟辦法然後再來就是我們當時候\n542010\t568601\t楊香瓜紅蔥頭玉米番茄還有我們的芝麻基本上都受損嚴重但是現在有一個問題喔我們現在有很多延遲性的摘損喔這些部分是不是我們應該各區各品項去完整了解這個就像我之前跟你講的現在地方跟中央的職責你知道地方都推給中央然後都說中央都還沒有定\n569401\t585414\t還沒有公告然後也不去訴報結果農民都不知道該怎麼辦然後他沒有趕快整理的話又會搞著現在很多的問題你像我昨天就接到永康西市 塞市 塞市 趕快去告訴我他們現在都完全沒辦法整啊\n590026\t596590\t條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法\n609378\t636951\t然後都要我們一個一個打電話去跟區公署說拜託你們就讓我們的農民可以速報你速報之後才能給農業局農業局才能給農業部啊可是這個部分SOP到底怎麼制定呢我跟委員報告齁其實天然災看災一定已經有一個完整的SOP那當初大面積天災來的時候我們農業部主動的去看了以後用主動公告\n637967\t639807\t部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n657712\t679672\t各縣市政府好各縣市我不管台南市現在已經發生了在當時候這個颱風11月台開始的時候已經發生了這延遲性的然後甚至有很多他根本就沒有辦法栽種的造成栽損的是不是台南市你要求各區公所趕快去做各品項的盤整了解\n680453\t683776\t是不是可以然後再報給農業局然後再報給你們農業部你要請市政府要去做一些擔當啦我想我們會跟市政府溝通就是說有特別是您所提的延遲性的災損不可能用主動公報的方式一定是由地方政府區公署那邊來提報他現在都說沒有我們就在等中央\n700990\t702512\t條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n722475\t726757\t這個隧道是你知道嗎?我去現場看的時候那些農民跟我講說他是要兩粒耶然後在那我們的楊香瓜我們的蚵蜜啦他是一粒這樣要怎麼蓋啊兩粒在裡面這樣一粒一粒這樣把它蓋起來蓋起來啊去蓋一粒耶各位知道我們的隧道是所有的全部都被吹掉了這怎麼辦?\n746263\t748965\t條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。\n767696\t769778\t部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容\n782808\t784369\t條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃\n805817\t806418\t條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n827632\t850048\t所以拜託部長這個隧道是你要趕快去做什麼樣的一個規劃然後怎麼樣的一個救助的方式要重新評估我們我們在應該在11月底就開始會去討論明年1月一定會新的公告把新的一些我們沒有過去沒有想到的再拜託喔那這個要納入喔這個我已經跟你講了這個一定要納入喔11月份我想我們還會透過專家會議來討論怎麼樣處理這個好不好好再拜託\n","txt":"陳庭菲委員質詢陳庭菲委員質詢陳庭菲委員質詢\n部長這一次這個11月的颱風我想這個災情最嚴重應該就是在所謂的一個蚵農的部分因為在我們整個海岸線整個狂風暴雨這個是真的很讓人家\n非常擔心害怕所以在整個科農的部分當時我們第一時間就去現場看了那在整個科農的部分現在有兩個區塊第一個區塊就是我們一直在跟你們說的就是說我們科棚在這一次如何能夠再補助而且不超越我們的所謂災害補助的這樣的一個範圍之內然後可以給我們\n這個地方的科農有一個補償那我們當時候談的就是說可能中央補助一個科棚5000元那市政府我相信我們也跟黃偉哲市長說了黃偉哲市長也說OK在一個科棚只要中央有補助5000元他也願意協助這1000元沒有問題那這個進度到底如何\n我先跟委員說明就是第一個非常感謝委員其實在颱風的第一時間針對蚵棚的一些問題就提跟我們農業部來反應那蚵棚這個問題基本上是因為他那時候還沒有漁業權所以沒有所謂的養殖登記那他被颱風吹走以後他不能用天然災害救助的方式去處理\n那我想委員也一直要求說：所以我第一時間在現場的時候我就說你不能用漁權這兩個字來限制對但是相對我們也後來一開始的時候包括我們內部說不能說天然災害救生圖就可能沒辦法但是我們還是持續的去討論其中有一個非常重要的就是包括委員還有其他委員也在支持的就是那個區塊本身的區外漁業權現在已經進到了行政院在審查表示可以去通過那\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進\n措施,所以這個對農民長期以來愚民的部分是非常極度的不公平所以我們爭取很久了現在行政院已經在做一個審核的階段所以當時候在第一時間我們就說你不能再用這個漁業權的部分去限制在這一次磕棚的補助我相信那一天本來要邀請部長下去因為部長當天在處理預算的問題\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n所以我們也同意嘛就以5000然後四伏來補助1000一樣這個標準沒改變只是我們大家彼此互相用我們能夠去協助科民還有我們漁民的一個救助的方向來做處理好那現在進度如何根據我們應該是昨天吧還是前天\n本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n應該最後我們確認因為經費有來源了然後我們也訂出了一個標準就是說不能比天然災害救助還高然後我們農業部確定我們補助是5000塊然後我們也期待台南市政府可以\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案案 條文修正草案 條文修正草案 條文修正草案 條文修正草案 條文修正草案 條文修正草案\n這個很確定了不要再拖了這個部分因為現在又要面臨另外一個颱風了這個颱風到底會不會進來現在大家還在看整個氣象的轉變所以這個是已經\n對台灣來講很特別了從來沒有11月台還這一次有可能這樣子夾著那麼多個颱風有進來沒有進來整個熱半氣流這樣的一個處理所以我認為我們就是要把整個制度做得更完整還有另外一個就是說好11月台真的比較恐怖好在整個颱風天我們要讓蚵棚怎麼避風\n我跟委員報告就是在這次的那個康威颱風來的時候曾經有要求到漁港去避風但是漁港本身很擔心科棚\n會影響到漁船沒錯然後因為時間也很短但是我已經要求漁業署跟台南市政府因為他是代管的還有相關的這些漁民要在明年的訓期之前定一個辦法對因為漁港畢竟他沒有辦法容納所有的科棚因為科棚六七千棚他那邊只有大概一兩百棚而已所以怎麼樣的運氣規則要定好\n這個很重要就是說在明年訊息前你要訂出遊戲規則否則你遊戲規則沒有訂好的話很容易引發地方的爭議但是這個需不需要這個也必要因為這一定要的因為你沒有讓他可以進來做\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n這也是我常常說的就是特別是蚵棚我們的養殖醫院其實真的是靠天吃飯不怕颱風那過往的颱風因為臺南的地區剛好是這段時間在養殖他如果颱風因為今年的颱風是比較特殊所以我們希望說\n再看看有沒有更安全能夠讓那個磕棚能夠比較固定耐風的包括浮球包括很多相關的這些設備我們後續還會用輔導的方式來協助。部長\n很難啊這種11月台這種風很恐怖啦你再多什麼樣的一個設備還是一樣沒有辦法去抵擋所以我覺得當然我們要未雨綢繆這些所謂的加強設施也要可是第二個就是說我們要怎麼讓他們能夠避風整個遊戲規則拜託在我們訓期前要把定出遊戲規則跟辦法然後再來就是我們當時候\n楊香瓜紅蔥頭玉米番茄還有我們的芝麻基本上都受損嚴重但是現在有一個問題喔我們現在有很多延遲性的摘損喔這些部分是不是我們應該各區各品項去完整了解這個就像我之前跟你講的現在地方跟中央的職責你知道地方都推給中央然後都說中央都還沒有定\n還沒有公告然後也不去訴報結果農民都不知道該怎麼辦然後他沒有趕快整理的話又會搞著現在很多的問題你像我昨天就接到永康西市 塞市 塞市 趕快去告訴我他們現在都完全沒辦法整啊\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法\n然後都要我們一個一個打電話去跟區公署說拜託你們就讓我們的農民可以速報你速報之後才能給農業局農業局才能給農業部啊可是這個部分SOP到底怎麼制定呢我跟委員報告齁其實天然災看災一定已經有一個完整的SOP那當初大面積天災來的時候我們農業部主動的去看了以後用主動公告\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n各縣市政府好各縣市我不管台南市現在已經發生了在當時候這個颱風11月台開始的時候已經發生了這延遲性的然後甚至有很多他根本就沒有辦法栽種的造成栽損的是不是台南市你要求各區公所趕快去做各品項的盤整了解\n是不是可以然後再報給農業局然後再報給你們農業部你要請市政府要去做一些擔當啦我想我們會跟市政府溝通就是說有特別是您所提的延遲性的災損不可能用主動公報的方式一定是由地方政府區公署那邊來提報他現在都說沒有我們就在等中央\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n這個隧道是你知道嗎?我去現場看的時候那些農民跟我講說他是要兩粒耶然後在那我們的楊香瓜我們的蚵蜜啦他是一粒這樣要怎麼蓋啊兩粒在裡面這樣一粒一粒這樣把它蓋起來蓋起來啊去蓋一粒耶各位知道我們的隧道是所有的全部都被吹掉了這怎麼辦?\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n所以拜託部長這個隧道是你要趕快去做什麼樣的一個規劃然後怎麼樣的一個救助的方式要重新評估我們我們在應該在11月底就開始會去討論明年1月一定會新的公告把新的一些我們沒有過去沒有想到的再拜託喔那這個要納入喔這個我已經跟你講了這個一定要納入喔11月份我想我們還會透過專家會議來討論怎麼樣處理這個好不好好再拜託\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:01.070\n陳庭菲委員質詢陳庭菲委員質詢陳庭菲委員質詢\n\n00:20.363 --> 00:37.834\n部長這一次這個11月的颱風我想這個災情最嚴重應該就是在所謂的一個蚵農的部分因為在我們整個海岸線整個狂風暴雨這個是真的很讓人家\n\n00:38.835 --> 01:04.066\n非常擔心害怕所以在整個科農的部分當時我們第一時間就去現場看了那在整個科農的部分現在有兩個區塊第一個區塊就是我們一直在跟你們說的就是說我們科棚在這一次如何能夠再補助而且不超越我們的所謂災害補助的這樣的一個範圍之內然後可以給我們\n\n01:08.088 --> 01:27.461\n這個地方的科農有一個補償那我們當時候談的就是說可能中央補助一個科棚5000元那市政府我相信我們也跟黃偉哲市長說了黃偉哲市長也說OK在一個科棚只要中央有補助5000元他也願意協助這1000元沒有問題那這個進度到底如何\n\n01:28.502 --> 01:49.182\n我先跟委員說明就是第一個非常感謝委員其實在颱風的第一時間針對蚵棚的一些問題就提跟我們農業部來反應那蚵棚這個問題基本上是因為他那時候還沒有漁業權所以沒有所謂的養殖登記那他被颱風吹走以後他不能用天然災害救助的方式去處理\n\n01:50.043 --> 02:17.688\n那我想委員也一直要求說：所以我第一時間在現場的時候我就說你不能用漁權這兩個字來限制對但是相對我們也後來一開始的時候包括我們內部說不能說天然災害救生圖就可能沒辦法但是我們還是持續的去討論其中有一個非常重要的就是包括委員還有其他委員也在支持的就是那個區塊本身的區外漁業權現在已經進到了行政院在審查表示可以去通過那\n\n02:19.688 --> 02:21.630\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n02:34.525 --> 02:40.327\n規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進\n\n02:52.970 --> 03:17.301\n措施,所以這個對農民長期以來愚民的部分是非常極度的不公平所以我們爭取很久了現在行政院已經在做一個審核的階段所以當時候在第一時間我們就說你不能再用這個漁業權的部分去限制在這一次磕棚的補助我相信那一天本來要邀請部長下去因為部長當天在處理預算的問題\n\n03:19.542 --> 03:23.643\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n03:43.789 --> 04:05.554\n所以我們也同意嘛就以5000然後四伏來補助1000一樣這個標準沒改變只是我們大家彼此互相用我們能夠去協助科民還有我們漁民的一個救助的方向來做處理好那現在進度如何根據我們應該是昨天吧還是前天\n\n04:06.434 --> 04:11.038\n本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n04:32.516 --> 04:46.645\n應該最後我們確認因為經費有來源了然後我們也訂出了一個標準就是說不能比天然災害救助還高然後我們農業部確定我們補助是5000塊然後我們也期待台南市政府可以\n\n04:47.405 --> 04:48.145\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n05:11.494 --> 05:14.095\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n05:36.283 --> 05:43.089\n本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案案條文修正草案條文修正草案條文修正草案條文修正草案條文修正草案條文修正草案\n\n06:00.666 --> 06:06.714\n這個很確定了不要再拖了這個部分因為現在又要面臨另外一個颱風了這個颱風到底會不會進來現在大家還在看整個氣象的轉變所以這個是已經\n\n06:16.066 --> 06:41.553\n對台灣來講很特別了從來沒有11月台還這一次有可能這樣子夾著那麼多個颱風有進來沒有進來整個熱半氣流這樣的一個處理所以我認為我們就是要把整個制度做得更完整還有另外一個就是說好11月台真的比較恐怖好在整個颱風天我們要讓蚵棚怎麼避風\n\n06:43.314 --> 06:53.984\n我跟委員報告就是在這次的那個康威颱風來的時候曾經有要求到漁港去避風但是漁港本身很擔心科棚\n\n06:55.163 --> 07:17.440\n會影響到漁船沒錯然後因為時間也很短但是我已經要求漁業署跟台南市政府因為他是代管的還有相關的這些漁民要在明年的訓期之前定一個辦法對因為漁港畢竟他沒有辦法容納所有的科棚因為科棚六七千棚他那邊只有大概一兩百棚而已所以怎麼樣的運氣規則要定好\n\n07:19.621 --> 07:35.471\n這個很重要就是說在明年訊息前你要訂出遊戲規則否則你遊戲規則沒有訂好的話很容易引發地方的爭議但是這個需不需要這個也必要因為這一定要的因為你沒有讓他可以進來做\n\n07:37.292 --> 07:41.615\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n08:01.139 --> 08:18.184\n這也是我常常說的就是特別是蚵棚我們的養殖醫院其實真的是靠天吃飯不怕颱風那過往的颱風因為臺南的地區剛好是這段時間在養殖他如果颱風因為今年的颱風是比較特殊所以我們希望說\n\n08:19.471 --> 08:28.395\n再看看有沒有更安全能夠讓那個磕棚能夠比較固定耐風的包括浮球包括很多相關的這些設備我們後續還會用輔導的方式來協助。部長\n\n08:33.387 --> 08:57.326\n很難啊這種11月台這種風很恐怖啦你再多什麼樣的一個設備還是一樣沒有辦法去抵擋所以我覺得當然我們要未雨綢繆這些所謂的加強設施也要可是第二個就是說我們要怎麼讓他們能夠避風整個遊戲規則拜託在我們訓期前要把定出遊戲規則跟辦法然後再來就是我們當時候\n\n09:02.010 --> 09:28.601\n楊香瓜紅蔥頭玉米番茄還有我們的芝麻基本上都受損嚴重但是現在有一個問題喔我們現在有很多延遲性的摘損喔這些部分是不是我們應該各區各品項去完整了解這個就像我之前跟你講的現在地方跟中央的職責你知道地方都推給中央然後都說中央都還沒有定\n\n09:29.401 --> 09:45.414\n還沒有公告然後也不去訴報結果農民都不知道該怎麼辦然後他沒有趕快整理的話又會搞著現在很多的問題你像我昨天就接到永康西市塞市塞市趕快去告訴我他們現在都完全沒辦法整啊\n\n09:50.026 --> 09:56.590\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法\n\n10:09.378 --> 10:36.951\n然後都要我們一個一個打電話去跟區公署說拜託你們就讓我們的農民可以速報你速報之後才能給農業局農業局才能給農業部啊可是這個部分SOP到底怎麼制定呢我跟委員報告齁其實天然災看災一定已經有一個完整的SOP那當初大面積天災來的時候我們農業部主動的去看了以後用主動公告\n\n10:37.967 --> 10:39.807\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n10:57.712 --> 11:19.672\n各縣市政府好各縣市我不管台南市現在已經發生了在當時候這個颱風11月台開始的時候已經發生了這延遲性的然後甚至有很多他根本就沒有辦法栽種的造成栽損的是不是台南市你要求各區公所趕快去做各品項的盤整了解\n\n11:20.453 --> 11:23.776\n是不是可以然後再報給農業局然後再報給你們農業部你要請市政府要去做一些擔當啦我想我們會跟市政府溝通就是說有特別是您所提的延遲性的災損不可能用主動公報的方式一定是由地方政府區公署那邊來提報他現在都說沒有我們就在等中央\n\n11:40.990 --> 11:42.512\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n12:02.475 --> 12:06.757\n這個隧道是你知道嗎?我去現場看的時候那些農民跟我講說他是要兩粒耶然後在那我們的楊香瓜我們的蚵蜜啦他是一粒這樣要怎麼蓋啊兩粒在裡面這樣一粒一粒這樣把它蓋起來蓋起來啊去蓋一粒耶各位知道我們的隧道是所有的全部都被吹掉了這怎麼辦?\n\n12:26.263 --> 12:28.965\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。\n\n12:47.696 --> 12:49.778\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容\n\n13:02.808 --> 13:04.369\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃\n\n13:25.817 --> 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