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--> 00:02:54,091\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n9\n00:03:15,007 --> 00:03:24,884\n我跟委員報告第一個非常謝謝委員在這個議題的關心那這個議題其實呈現了兩個概念第一個概念就是其實我們看到我們臺灣\n\n10\n00:03:26,365 --> 00:03:54,397\n對於黑熊的復育其實逐漸的展現出它的成果但是不可避免的就是說這些野生動物甚至於保育類動物對於我們靠近山林的這些農場的部分造成這些農作物或是續產的一個損失特別是以這個個案的方式來看的話其實它的損失相當龐大的那我們林保署在第一時間也針對這些被咬食的雞隻有做了一些補償的這些作為我知道\n\n11\n00:03:55,698 --> 00:04:16,180\n這個補償作為只是事後的補救的部分其實我們更應該重視前端的這些防範那前端的防範我一直強調就是說像這種所謂的動物跟我們的家庭的這個部分應該要透過一些大家通力來合作特別是針對居民的部分一起來努力好這個部分你們去強化\n\n12\n00:04:19,137 --> 00:04:47,598\n實際上這個台灣的黑熊真的是很多這個我們部落的族人也跟林業署合作怎麼樣去一些受困的或是受傷的我們都有協助所以這個台灣的原住民族在這塊土地上事實上我們都跟這個野生動物能夠共存那我們看這個台灣黑熊\n\n13\n00:04:49,522 --> 00:05:16,602\n這個真的是非常多這個相關的這些不斷的那個所以剛才講的那個防範的措施還是還是要有這個因為現在那個台灣黑熊在台灣的量不算少幾百隻吧有到幾百隻的一個我再跟委員報告有幾點就第一個就是說其實我們針對像黑熊這個部分\n\n14\n00:05:17,382 --> 00:05:43,644\n的一些受傷我們也已經建立一個完整的通報的一個機制透過我們跟原住民部落在合作用山林共治的方式來處理那第二個部分就是我們也提供了有關黑熊的生態服務給付的部分來鼓勵我們這些原民部落本身針對黑熊的保育針對相關的一個示範給付的方式然後第三個就是我們也研發了一些改良式的改良式的這些列具\n\n15\n00:05:44,464 --> 00:06:12,920\n就是我們盡量不要用山豬釣雖然說山豬釣我們以現階段的立場那是另外一個議題了那個是另外一個議題好這個接下來這一次的那個康瑞颱風在花蓮、台東非常多的這個漂流木這個漂流木而且這一次的颱風特別特別大特別強把漂流木很多都吹到\n\n16\n00:06:14,224 --> 00:06:39,875\n在人民的私有土地上,人民的私有土地上,不是在國有的海岸,所以這個都是在人民的土地上,所以像這樣的一個情形造成人民很大的一個,然後你們又這個人力的關係,然後去作業又慢,住計這些都慢,所以這個部分,然後在住計之後,\n\n17\n00:06:40,795 --> 00:07:06,332\n讓我們的鄉親能夠開始去減食的時候然後這些漂流木的減食然後你們當然又訂一個月清理這個住計時間也很長然後相關的規定也特別做了一些不能用這個機器不能用那個這個小貨車都不能\n\n18\n00:07:07,073 --> 00:07:09,075\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃\n\n19\n00:07:23,683 --> 00:07:32,412\n修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程�\n\n20\n00:07:45,051 --> 00:08:12,568\n都已經註記好了,剩下就應該要拿走。鄉親願意把他載走,為什麼要禁止使用這個機器?所以這個部分都要去檢討,可以嗎?我可能跟委員報告,這個部分大概有兩點說明。第一點說明就是漂流木本身是屬地主義,由各土地主管居然處理。那現在遇到的問題就是我們的註記時間一個月,一個月似乎太長,會影響相關的景觀。\n\n21\n00:08:14,489 --> 00:08:37,568\n所以一個月是不是有機會能夠縮短這個部分我們來檢討那第二個部分就是說當我開放減食的時候那是不是可以部分的使用機具去協助搬運那這個部分我想我們也會來檢討就是說如果真的漂流木它不具價值的漂流木也很大的時候要用人搬的確有它的困難度\n\n22\n00:08:38,248 --> 00:08:39,049\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容\n\n23\n00:09:08,448 --> 00:09:22,043\n因為你可能不知道海岸很多開放那個大型車進去的都有啊我們只不過是要搬運這些機器我知道所以我想我們會去來設計用什麼樣的條件之下可以開放適度的開放小型的小型的機器了\n\n24\n00:09:24,426 --> 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Kacaw委員：我們的鄉親也沒有那麼大的車啦！都是小型機具啦！"],["陳部長駿季：我知道，居民大概比較沒問題，我們是擔心後續會造成其他地區、外地的大卡車或什麼來搬啦！所以這部分我們會作一些條件的限制。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：也沒那麼多可以搬啦！他們也不會搬那些不能使用的，都是當柴火用的啦！好不好？謝謝。"],["主席：請楊瓊瓔委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":70,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-19-12","speakers":["呂玉玲","徐巧芯","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","林岱樺","賴瑞隆","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","陳亭妃","楊瓊瓔","蔡易餘","謝衣鳯","陳超明","邱志偉","麥玉珍","吳宗憲","羅廷瑋","羅智強","洪申翰","郭昱晴","徐富癸","張雅琳","徐欣瑩","邱議瑩","張嘉郡","陳冠廷"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-11-13"],"gazette_id":"1139901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139901_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請農業部部長就「我國動物保護政策執行概況，及動物保護法修法規劃內容與進程」進行\n報告，並備質詢；二、審查：(一)本院委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」\n案、(二)本院委員呂玉玲等16人擬具「動物保護法第十條條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員呂玉\n玲等16人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條及第二十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)本院委員張智\n倫等16人擬具「動物保護法第十條條文修正草案」案、(五)本院委員劉建國等16人擬具「動物保\n護法部分條文修正草案」案、(六)本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之二條文修\n正草案」案、(七)本院委員林岱樺等21人擬具「動物保護法第十四條之一、第十四條之二及第三\n十條條文修正草案」案、(八)本院委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案、\n(九)本院委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等16人擬具「動物保護法第二條及第十條條文修正草案」案、\n(十)本院委員李坤城等22人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案、(十一)本院委員廖先翔等\n19人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案、(十二)本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法部\n分條文修正草案」案（詢答）","agenda_id":"1139901_00001"}}}