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00:00:43,846\n好,我們先講治水啦其實11月還有這麼多颱風其實少見因此今年確實有風災包括了我的新北我們的新北地區確實也都受到災情很感謝中央尤其是賴總統就已經宣示了明年中央治水預算會增加到551億比今年度增加的還要超過了40%\n\n4\n00:01:03,579 --> 00:01:18,340\n這其實對地方來講都是好消息那我想知道請教部長部長你知道跟內政部相關的治水預算有哪幾項嗎是跟委員報告一下跟內政部相關大概是在污水或者是地下污水下水道的興建工程沒錯\n\n5\n00:01:19,201 --> 00:01:39,614\n沒錯沒錯就我們現在列出來的這三項嘛對不對有繼續完成的前瞻建設的部分也有汙水下水道的部分等等其實這三項預算都相當的龐大但它都是跨年度的計劃所以這也是合理那我們希望這些能夠完成之後讓都市地區的排水能夠更好\n\n6\n00:01:40,615 --> 00:02:02,240\n所以在風災、水災來臨的時候整個城市更有韌性也感謝上一次昭偉排了這樣的考察那張宏東、昭偉和我們一起直接去現地會刊但我想跟這個部長這邊表達我在其他的相關部會也就是非都市計劃區也做過同樣的要求就是我們希望這些治水計劃能夠以這一次有受災的地區能夠優先納入計劃來做改進\n\n7\n00:02:09,062 --> 00:02:09,842\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n8\n00:02:25,768 --> 00:02:27,249\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n9\n00:02:48,797 --> 00:02:49,437\n四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n10\n00:03:06,508 --> 00:03:30,274\n我調出了2016到2024八年中央對新北市污水下水道的補助這平常在座沒有感覺把八年一次調出來一次看完以後哎呀我們中央給新北的補助竟然高達了219億說實在不好意思對其他的委員中央給我們新北市全國第一啦抱歉啦\n\n11\n00:03:31,074 --> 00:03:55,690\n八年下來有219億而且這中間還分了三期因為本來中央是公平的是希望每個地方都能夠污水下水道的接管率能夠提升所以50%接管率還沒有到50%的時候我們當然大力補助那你一旦超過了50%以後本來是要減少的可是看看這一樣是署長說到你的照片在這裡謝謝你的補助這是剛剛開始的時候\n\n12\n00:03:59,733 --> 00:04:02,415\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n13\n00:04:19,966 --> 00:04:47,979\n那最後更感謝的是因為我們民意代表不斷的反映新北市政府也提出了要求沒有錯中央跟地方共同的認為只要接管率不是到達百分之百他就是有必要應該要繼續做啊所以你看你在2021年的時候鬆綁了規定同意持續補助普及率超過百分之五十的縣市謝謝這個我們當時有要求你們也照做了所以整體下來真的就是我們的這個\n\n14\n00:04:49,059 --> 00:04:53,343\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n15\n00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:14,341\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n16\n00:05:32,989 --> 00:05:48,427\n來自新北的委員會持續要求內政部要給予我們最多的補助繼續完成因為我們都市是最最完善最龐大的我們需要的污水下水道確實是多的所以這部分部長您可以簡短的回應一下嗎\n\n17\n00:05:48,928 --> 00:05:51,450\n四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n18\n00:06:18,911 --> 00:06:20,012\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n19\n00:06:41,434 --> 00:06:46,875\n好那最後一個都市計劃的審議這個部分的話我這還是要請部長了解一下狀況部長我自己的選區其實樹林這邊有一個行政園區的計劃其實這個行政園區的計劃我們是在今年的去年2023年的7月的時候送件去年2023年的12月做了第一次審查可是現在停在哪裡呢停在他說\n\n20\n00:07:08,599 --> 00:07:09,380\n四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n21\n00:07:24,119 --> 00:07:45,166\n永和是什麼時候送件的?是2021年送件。什麼時候開始第一次審查?12月。第二次審查?2023年就直接跳了一年半啊。到了第二次審查是什麼時候?到2024年的12月了。土城是什麼時候送?2021年送。開會的時候是2022年。現在第二次的審查會是什麼時候?是預計2025年。部長。\n\n22\n00:07:49,467 --> 00:08:11,522\n這樣的案件審查的過程確實是讓人覺得比較長了一點我們可以理解啦我們可以理解說這個都市計畫地區多審議案量大如果都市委員這個審議委員只有30人要審查全國416處這樣的都市計畫真的量能是不足我是覺得是辛苦沒有錯\n\n23\n00:08:12,322 --> 00:08:13,283\n三、審查內政部附屬單位預算內政部主管部分。\n\n24\n00:08:30,896 --> 00:08:46,690\n但我們需要開會需要審查那是不是可以擴大量能第二你在審查的效能就是那個文件資料往返的部分是不是可以更精進一點不要你這次問了這個問題然後等到地方政府送件回來就已經大概是半年一年了那等到我在開會又半年一年再提出新的問題又半年一年\n\n25\n00:08:52,054 --> 00:08:55,435\n我覺得這樣的效能並不是太理想所以我具體提出擴大審議量能提升審議效能這樣的要求希望內政部可以加速謝謝委員的指正我們一定會來改進但是你提到有關於永和土城行政園區的這個案子我們已經在這個召開第一次的專案小組會議12月17號的會議是第三次的專案小組要審查也就是你剛所說的都市計畫的審議委員在開會的時候還會有另外專案小組\n\n26\n00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,461\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n27\n00:09:45,720 --> 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--> 00:06.270\n三、審查內政部主管部分\n\n00:20.680 --> 00:21.101\n三、審查內政部主管部分\n\n00:37.722 --> 00:43.846\n好,我們先講治水啦其實11月還有這麼多颱風其實少見因此今年確實有風災包括了我的新北我們的新北地區確實也都受到災情很感謝中央尤其是賴總統就已經宣示了明年中央治水預算會增加到551億比今年度增加的還要超過了40%\n\n01:03.579 --> 01:18.340\n這其實對地方來講都是好消息那我想知道請教部長部長你知道跟內政部相關的治水預算有哪幾項嗎是跟委員報告一下跟內政部相關大概是在污水或者是地下污水下水道的興建工程沒錯\n\n01:19.201 --> 01:39.614\n沒錯沒錯就我們現在列出來的這三項嘛對不對有繼續完成的前瞻建設的部分也有汙水下水道的部分等等其實這三項預算都相當的龐大但它都是跨年度的計劃所以這也是合理那我們希望這些能夠完成之後讓都市地區的排水能夠更好\n\n01:40.615 --> 02:02.240\n所以在風災、水災來臨的時候整個城市更有韌性也感謝上一次昭偉排了這樣的考察那張宏東、昭偉和我們一起直接去現地會刊但我想跟這個部長這邊表達我在其他的相關部會也就是非都市計劃區也做過同樣的要求就是我們希望這些治水計劃能夠以這一次有受災的地區能夠優先納入計劃來做改進\n\n02:09.062 --> 02:09.842\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n02:25.768 --> 02:27.249\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n02:48.797 --> 02:49.437\n四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n03:06.508 --> 03:30.274\n我調出了2016到2024八年中央對新北市污水下水道的補助這平常在座沒有感覺把八年一次調出來一次看完以後哎呀我們中央給新北的補助竟然高達了219億說實在不好意思對其他的委員中央給我們新北市全國第一啦抱歉啦\n\n03:31.074 --> 03:55.690\n八年下來有219億而且這中間還分了三期因為本來中央是公平的是希望每個地方都能夠污水下水道的接管率能夠提升所以50%接管率還沒有到50%的時候我們當然大力補助那你一旦超過了50%以後本來是要減少的可是看看這一樣是署長說到你的照片在這裡謝謝你的補助這是剛剛開始的時候\n\n03:59.733 --> 04:02.415\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n04:19.966 --> 04:47.979\n那最後更感謝的是因為我們民意代表不斷的反映新北市政府也提出了要求沒有錯中央跟地方共同的認為只要接管率不是到達百分之百他就是有必要應該要繼續做啊所以你看你在2021年的時候鬆綁了規定同意持續補助普及率超過百分之五十的縣市謝謝這個我們當時有要求你們也照做了所以整體下來真的就是我們的這個\n\n04:49.059 --> 04:53.343\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n05:12.100 --> 05:14.341\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n05:32.989 --> 05:48.427\n來自新北的委員會持續要求內政部要給予我們最多的補助繼續完成因為我們都市是最最完善最龐大的我們需要的污水下水道確實是多的所以這部分部長您可以簡短的回應一下嗎\n\n05:48.928 --> 05:51.450\n四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n06:18.911 --> 06:20.012\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n06:41.434 --> 06:46.875\n好那最後一個都市計劃的審議這個部分的話我這還是要請部長了解一下狀況部長我自己的選區其實樹林這邊有一個行政園區的計劃其實這個行政園區的計劃我們是在今年的去年2023年的7月的時候送件去年2023年的12月做了第一次審查可是現在停在哪裡呢停在他說\n\n07:08.599 --> 07:09.380\n四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n07:24.119 --> 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