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00:00:42,564\n部長早安這住宅政策是本期長期關心的議題現在年輕人面對低薪高房價的問題常常房子還是二選一近年來政府推出了所謂的新清安政策讓購物市場的買氣非常非常的熱絡雖然這個政策不是內政部來主責但內政部必須配合辦理那以部長從居住正義的角度來住宅政策的角度來看新清安政策造成的問題有哪一些\n\n3\n00:00:46,015 --> 00:00:58,366\n第一個剛剛劉委員提到說新青安政策並不是由內政部來主責那他當然會有一些年輕人有不同的看法那我們就是尊重主責單位包括財政部跟中央銀行他們的看法\n\n4\n00:00:59,264 --> 00:01:21,304\n其實問題媒體也很多啦這個感覺起來好像是給了相對年輕的家庭或者是年輕的年輕人有了一個購物的機會但實際上這個政策這幾年推下來的時候大家發現其實副作用不小雖然確實有些人因為這樣買了房子交易量大增可是交易量大增的副作用其實很多啊第二吃掉了大量的銀行房貸額度啊然後這個\n\n5\n00:01:23,786 --> 00:01:38,634\n尤其是集中在六都或者是七都包含新竹在內其實房價上漲的趨勢非常兇猛甚至抵消了過去政府在打房政策跟平易房價、平易炒作的政策上面的諸多努力\n\n6\n00:01:40,187 --> 00:02:07,117\n推高房價住宅小宅化很多市井年輕人可能會錯過自己的還貸能力甚至有一些部分的投資客用人頭戶來升貸然後來轉租等等那麼這些問題其實都是內政部要面對雖然這個政策不是你主責但是你有配合的一個角色那部長你知不知道新清安政策的裁員從內政部支出的角度內政部也要編列預算來配合新清安政策請問裁員來自於哪裡\n\n7\n00:02:08,783 --> 00:02:10,500\n我們的財源是來自住宅基金\n\n8\n00:02:11,298 --> 00:02:40,237\n來自於住宅基金對不對這個住宅基金設立的宗旨就如投影片所示就是當初為了健全住宅市場所以要辦理補貼要新辦社會住宅提升居住環境品質其實在住宅法裡面的修正其實講得非常的清楚這個所謂的住宅補貼的目的是要協助所謂的真正的弱勢就是說一定所得或財產以下比如說中低收入或是什麼樣的人有機會買房子的時候可以來做這個市區的住宅可是\n\n9\n00:02:41,757 --> 00:03:02,439\n問題是這樣按照住宅法第10條的規定申請住宅補貼應該沒有自用住宅的家庭或者是兩年內建構的家庭為先以前是以家庭為單位第10條第二項也有講住宅補貼對象的優先先後順序要有所謂的評點機制也就是說我的經費有限的時候我要有一個先後次序的一個安排\n\n10\n00:03:03,325 --> 00:03:23,493\n那可是現在這個新清安政策的資格條件只有這個年滿18歲然後變成本人配偶跟未成年子女也就是說他不再是以家庭為單位變成幾乎是以個人為單位那更大的問題是這樣這幾年今天之所以要提這個問題就是接下來看起來這個經費負擔好像不小\n\n11\n00:03:23,973 --> 00:03:46,625\n一百一十二年新清安當初的清安當初是1.13億元住宅基金配合。到了一百一十三年也就是今年大概15.83億。然後還有很多人說法說這15.83億恐怕是不太夠。到了明年你編列的預算直接暴增到45.96億。部長這用住宅基金來大量的補貼新清安政策的利息補貼有符合住宅基金的政策設立宗旨嗎?\n\n12\n00:03:48,120 --> 00:04:00,576\n報告委員我想您剛所提的住宅基金的一些相關條例確實我們會認為第一個它本來就是無自由住宅的部分18歲以上所以其實在程度上面我們來補貼它是符合的\n\n13\n00:04:02,699 --> 00:04:26,138\n只是說像你所說的新青安為什麼會暴增那麼多其實我們的財政部或者中央銀行他們已經在想辦法來壓制所謂的房價一直被炒高的這個狀況那我們都會來努力配合那至於說你所說的這個暴增45.96億它主要的原因在哪裡我是不是可以請我們的同仁來回應一下好嗎主委部長你剛剛的答詢基本上你不反對新青安政策反而造成房價上漲的問題對不對\n\n14\n00:04:28,738 --> 00:04:34,521\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n15\n00:04:48,408 --> 00:04:50,930\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分\n\n16\n00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:19,610\n三、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n17\n00:05:38,135 --> 00:05:39,377\n四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n18\n00:06:00,053 --> 00:06:17,433\n我可以說明一下因為我們的政策的確就執行到115年後面就我們就不會再補貼了後面就不會再補貼那115年預計的支出是多少現在還不清楚因為我們還要看財政部最後算因為要等到個人的所謂相關的寬限期到了我們才會知道只要那個數字\n\n19\n00:06:18,754 --> 00:06:34,881\n客觀上來講這件事情確實造成了房價上漲嚴重的副作用那其實我也有看到內政部態度有出來啦這一點我還是肯定你就想說未來如果升息我也不會再增加補貼額度嘛對不對但是我還是希望這場質詢之後你要提供一個包含115年的估算\n\n20\n00:06:35,501 --> 00:07:02,373\n要不然因為我今天提這個問題的原因是因為你現在用的都是住宅基金啦住宅基金的其他用途是什麼是不是興辦社會住宅鼓勵包租貸款還有你的所謂的這個租金補貼對不對你的租金補貼好歹都有一個300億的一個上限嘛對不對但你不要因為這新興案沒有上限沒有詳細配套的這樣子的一個規劃反而排擠了你本來住宅基金的用途嘛欸我們114年用在社會住宅的總開支大概是多少在住宅基金裡面\n\n21\n00:07:04,502 --> 00:07:15,609\n我們跟委員報告因為我們包含租金補貼的部分我們會再增加200億我問社會住宅啊對啊你住宅基金裡面的\n\n22\n00:07:17,418 --> 00:07:19,219\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分\n\n23\n00:07:47,818 --> 00:07:49,939\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。六、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n24\n00:08:17,254 --> 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--> 00:06.531\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分\n\n00:18.629 --> 00:42.564\n部長早安這住宅政策是本期長期關心的議題現在年輕人面對低薪高房價的問題常常房子還是二選一近年來政府推出了所謂的新清安政策讓購物市場的買氣非常非常的熱絡雖然這個政策不是內政部來主責但內政部必須配合辦理那以部長從居住正義的角度來住宅政策的角度來看新清安政策造成的問題有哪一些\n\n00:46.015 --> 00:58.366\n第一個剛剛劉委員提到說新青安政策並不是由內政部來主責那他當然會有一些年輕人有不同的看法那我們就是尊重主責單位包括財政部跟中央銀行他們的看法\n\n00:59.264 --> 01:21.304\n其實問題媒體也很多啦這個感覺起來好像是給了相對年輕的家庭或者是年輕的年輕人有了一個購物的機會但實際上這個政策這幾年推下來的時候大家發現其實副作用不小雖然確實有些人因為這樣買了房子交易量大增可是交易量大增的副作用其實很多啊第二吃掉了大量的銀行房貸額度啊然後這個\n\n01:23.786 --> 01:38.634\n尤其是集中在六都或者是七都包含新竹在內其實房價上漲的趨勢非常兇猛甚至抵消了過去政府在打房政策跟平易房價、平易炒作的政策上面的諸多努力\n\n01:40.187 --> 02:07.117\n推高房價住宅小宅化很多市井年輕人可能會錯過自己的還貸能力甚至有一些部分的投資客用人頭戶來升貸然後來轉租等等那麼這些問題其實都是內政部要面對雖然這個政策不是你主責但是你有配合的一個角色那部長你知不知道新清安政策的裁員從內政部支出的角度內政部也要編列預算來配合新清安政策請問裁員來自於哪裡\n\n02:08.783 --> 02:10.500\n我們的財源是來自住宅基金\n\n02:11.298 --> 02:40.237\n來自於住宅基金對不對這個住宅基金設立的宗旨就如投影片所示就是當初為了健全住宅市場所以要辦理補貼要新辦社會住宅提升居住環境品質其實在住宅法裡面的修正其實講得非常的清楚這個所謂的住宅補貼的目的是要協助所謂的真正的弱勢就是說一定所得或財產以下比如說中低收入或是什麼樣的人有機會買房子的時候可以來做這個市區的住宅可是\n\n02:41.757 --> 03:02.439\n問題是這樣按照住宅法第10條的規定申請住宅補貼應該沒有自用住宅的家庭或者是兩年內建構的家庭為先以前是以家庭為單位第10條第二項也有講住宅補貼對象的優先先後順序要有所謂的評點機制也就是說我的經費有限的時候我要有一個先後次序的一個安排\n\n03:03.325 --> 03:23.493\n那可是現在這個新清安政策的資格條件只有這個年滿18歲然後變成本人配偶跟未成年子女也就是說他不再是以家庭為單位變成幾乎是以個人為單位那更大的問題是這樣這幾年今天之所以要提這個問題就是接下來看起來這個經費負擔好像不小\n\n03:23.973 --> 03:46.625\n一百一十二年新清安當初的清安當初是1.13億元住宅基金配合。到了一百一十三年也就是今年大概15.83億。然後還有很多人說法說這15.83億恐怕是不太夠。到了明年你編列的預算直接暴增到45.96億。部長這用住宅基金來大量的補貼新清安政策的利息補貼有符合住宅基金的政策設立宗旨嗎?\n\n03:48.120 --> 04:00.576\n報告委員我想您剛所提的住宅基金的一些相關條例確實我們會認為第一個它本來就是無自由住宅的部分18歲以上所以其實在程度上面我們來補貼它是符合的\n\n04:02.699 --> 04:26.138\n只是說像你所說的新青安為什麼會暴增那麼多其實我們的財政部或者中央銀行他們已經在想辦法來壓制所謂的房價一直被炒高的這個狀況那我們都會來努力配合那至於說你所說的這個暴增45.96億它主要的原因在哪裡我是不是可以請我們的同仁來回應一下好嗎主委部長你剛剛的答詢基本上你不反對新青安政策反而造成房價上漲的問題對不對\n\n04:28.738 --> 04:34.521\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n04:48.408 --> 04:50.930\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分\n\n05:17.990 --> 05:19.610\n三、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n05:38.135 --> 05:39.377\n四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n06:00.053 --> 06:17.433\n我可以說明一下因為我們的政策的確就執行到115年後面就我們就不會再補貼了後面就不會再補貼那115年預計的支出是多少現在還不清楚因為我們還要看財政部最後算因為要等到個人的所謂相關的寬限期到了我們才會知道只要那個數字\n\n06:18.754 --> 06:34.881\n客觀上來講這件事情確實造成了房價上漲嚴重的副作用那其實我也有看到內政部態度有出來啦這一點我還是肯定你就想說未來如果升息我也不會再增加補貼額度嘛對不對但是我還是希望這場質詢之後你要提供一個包含115年的估算\n\n06:35.501 --> 07:02.373\n要不然因為我今天提這個問題的原因是因為你現在用的都是住宅基金啦住宅基金的其他用途是什麼是不是興辦社會住宅鼓勵包租貸款還有你的所謂的這個租金補貼對不對你的租金補貼好歹都有一個300億的一個上限嘛對不對但你不要因為這新興案沒有上限沒有詳細配套的這樣子的一個規劃反而排擠了你本來住宅基金的用途嘛欸我們114年用在社會住宅的總開支大概是多少在住宅基金裡面\n\n07:04.502 --> 07:15.609\n我們跟委員報告因為我們包含租金補貼的部分我們會再增加200億我問社會住宅啊對啊你住宅基金裡面的\n\n07:17.418 --> 07:19.219\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分\n\n07:47.818 --> 07:49.939\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。六、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n08:17.254 --> 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身分別。"],["牛委員煦庭：要符合中低收入戶是有一個額度上限的，可是現在新青安等於是大家都可以申請。好，那我的問題就來了，你講說只要符合身分都可以申請，對不對？那請問內政部有沒有掌握，我現在擔心的狀況是，114年是45億，115年呢？它會不會繼續膨脹？"],["吳署長欣修：我說明一下，因為我們的政策的確就執行到115年，後面我們就不會再補貼了。"],["牛委員煦庭：後面就不會再補貼？"],["吳署長欣修：對。"],["牛委員煦庭：那115年預計的支出是多少？"],["吳署長欣修：現在還不清楚，因為我們還要看財政部最後出來的數字，因為要等到個人相關的寬限期到了，我們才會知道那個數字。"],["牛委員煦庭：客觀上來講，這件事情確實造成了房價嚴重上漲的副作用，其實我也看到內政部有表明態度，這一點我還是肯定，你講過未來如果升息，也不會再增加補貼額度……"],["吳署長欣修：沒錯，這個我們之前就對外宣布，就我……"],["牛委員煦庭：但是我還是希望這場質詢之後，你要提供一個包含115年的估算，要不然我今天提這個問題的原因是因為，你現在用的都是住宅基金，住宅基金的其他用途是什麼？是不是興辦社會住宅、鼓勵包租代管，還有你的租金補貼，對不對？你的租金補貼好歹都有一個300億的上限嘛，對不對？但你不要因為新青安沒有上限、沒有詳細配套的規劃，反而排擠了你本來住宅基金的用途嘛。我們114年用在社會住宅的總開支大概是多少？在住宅基金裡面。"],["吳署長欣修：跟委員報告，包含租金補貼的部分，我們會再增加200億。"],["牛委員煦庭：我問的是社會住宅。"],["劉部長世芳：委員指的是興建嗎？直接興建的部分。"],["牛委員煦庭：對啊！就是你住宅基金裡面的……"],["吳署長欣修：這個部分可能我再詳細……"],["牛委員煦庭：我剛剛看應該是十幾億啦。"],["吳署長欣修：跟委員報告，因為社宅的非自償性補助的部分，它是逐年……"],["牛委員煦庭：對啊，你的非自償性補助……"],["吳署長欣修：逐年在調增了，所以……"],["牛委員煦庭：其實你應該是要大幅調升那個部分嘛，你就講我要貫徹居住正義，要好好運用住宅基金，也符合這個宗旨，你應該是大量增加社會住宅的興建預算跟給地方政府的補貼，對不對？你如果被這個新青安，當然你不是主責機關，但是你被迫要投入很多資源的時候，它其實反而造成你居住正義政策的政策排擠，這一點我希望內政部該強硬表態，你要站在居住正義的立場的時候，你要守住，不要讓這個……"],["吳署長欣修：是。跟委員報告，我們也是照目前我們所堅持的，我們就是到115年的7月就全部都截止，後面不會再有增加。"],["牛委員煦庭：好，你115年的估算要趕快出來啦！"],["吳署長欣修：好。"],["牛委員煦庭：然後相應地我不希望看到補貼額度反而超過社會住宅這樣的狀況，我想這樣對居住正義反而是反效果，好不好？希望內政部會後來做詳細說明，可以嗎？謝謝。"],["吳署長欣修：好。謝謝。"],["主席：請黃捷委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":374,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-9","speakers":["張宏陸","黃捷","李柏毅","張智倫","蘇巧慧","麥玉珍","牛煦庭","王美惠","高金素梅","黃建賓","吳琪銘","丁學忠","許宇甄","林德福","黃健豪","徐欣瑩","羅智強","洪孟楷","張雅琳","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","陳培瑜","楊瓊瓔","吳宗憲"],"page_start":79,"meetingDate":["2024-11-13"],"gazette_id":"1139701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139701_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n案關於內政部主管部分；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算內政部主管部分；\n四、審查內政部函送財團法人二二八事件紀念基金會等8家財團法人114年度預算書案；五、審查\n內政部函送國家住宅及都市更新中心114年度預算書案【所列預算案僅詢答，另訂時間處理】；\n六、審查「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例」修正草案，計八案：(一)審查行政\n院函請審議「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案、(二)審查\n委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」\n案、(三)審查委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文\n修正草案」案、(四)審查委員黃捷等18人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例\n部分條文修正草案」案、(五)審查委員吳沛憶等24人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權\n利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案、(六)審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行\n為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案、(七)審查委員張雅琳等25人擬具「威權統治時期\n國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案、(八)審查委員陳培瑜等18人擬具「威\n權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1139701_00003"}}}