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00:02:50,540\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n11\n00:03:02,511 --> 00:03:29,834\n應該要依據警察以及消防人員本身自己的喜好這個跟他的工作能力表現並沒有關係這殺個人的人身自由所以我也希望說我們在看警察人員消防人員他們的工作能力上面應該要以他們的表現來作為依據而不是非常主觀的偏見的去看他們的外型去看他們身上有沒有任何的個人喜好的這種刺青等等的行為\n\n12\n00:03:30,755 --> 00:03:38,836\n所以我希望這個是可以就是用這樣的方式來處理的這個跟警政署來說明好那再來我們請部長\n\n13\n00:03:48,568 --> 00:04:09,915\n黃委員你好好部長好因為今天這個條例我還是我認為大致上都沒有什麼問題那一個小小的問題是因為其實在我們立法院要修法之前8月的時候衛福部有先發了一個函示那這個在這個函示裡面他們有說依據本條例受領的財產或者是賠償不納入社會救助法家庭的總收入跟家庭的財產計算\n\n14\n00:04:11,536 --> 00:04:12,816\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n15\n00:04:34,222 --> 00:04:36,304\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分\n\n16\n00:04:55,695 --> 00:05:00,576\n委員好那針對這個我們第23條第4項的這個條文那確實這個我們的這個賠償金的性質跟一般財產權不同那它不是屬於收入跟收益的性質所以不應該列入家庭總收入那我們也考量就是因為這個賠償是一時的經濟協助經濟資源那不是長期的一個經濟支持\n\n17\n00:05:22,262 --> 00:05:24,683\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。六、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n18\n00:05:48,248 --> 00:05:49,349\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n19\n00:06:07,176 --> 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謝謝部長說明我這邊給一個例子因為其實清除威權的象徵是在有非常多元的方式我們是希望這個空間可以解嚴然後這個意義上可以解嚴所以並不一定是說一定要把什麼獎功的同項移除才叫做清除威權象徵\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n說得非常清楚第一段就是把蔣介石他的生平經歷解釋清楚第二段講說1987解嚴之後民間對於蔣介石的評價是哪些第三階段再講說我們2000年之後我們民進黨執政就開始推動轉型正義的政策這個內容都是史實都是非常客觀的但這就是一種空間解嚴這就是一種讓大家知道在台灣轉型正義的路上可以做到的事情\n所以我認為並不一定是像因為過去有其他委員在講說一定要把這個同項移除甚至是他們在國防委員會有講說那時候的有一個我們馮士寬前主委在國防委員會的時候他說要什麼堅決反對要移除同項其實真的不一定要做到這樣\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.008 --> 00:06.258\n好,謝謝主席。我們先請警政署長。好,請署長。\n\n00:18.032 --> 00:36.343\n最近有一個紀錄片叫做國有器官他的這個內容就是在講說中共有迫害法輪功的學員相關的內容那這個紀錄片在台灣十月上映可是台灣有非常多的影城接到電子郵件的恐嚇說要放置爆裂物甚至是射殺\n\n00:37.424 --> 00:38.105\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n00:59.907 --> 01:00.847\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n01:23.514 --> 01:23.995\n三、審查內政部部長\n\n01:36.556 --> 01:38.817\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分\n\n01:55.788 --> 01:56.569\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分\n\n02:12.751 --> 02:27.329\n謝謝署長的說明,這個案子我是在這邊特別提醒我們警政署不希望在台灣這種言論自由的社會裡面有人還要藉由恐嚇的行為來前置特定的言論我們絕對不能縱容這種行為,這個要拜託警政署加強的來偵查\n\n02:28.650 --> 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06:40.240\n因為我看到的是我們中央處理的進度只有到12%可是地方已經是34%那是不是我們中央遇到了什麼樣的困難或者是我們在清除相關的威權象徵的時候到底執行上是不是應該加快進度呢?\n\n06:40.600 --> 07:05.692\n是,非常謝謝黃委員的關心。我想中央的處理進度大概理論上比較多會需要在持續加強溝通的是在於國防部跟教育部那這個部分大概就是第一個是這個雕像或是銅像那包括退府單位他們覺得說可能在清除的時候會有這樣的困難他們內部需要做長久的溝通那我們當然是站在我們立場上面還是會繼續追蹤辦理\n\n07:07.233 --> 07:22.713\n好謝謝部長說明我這邊給一個例子因為其實清除威權的象徵是在有非常多元的方式我們是希望這個空間可以解嚴然後這個意義上可以解嚴所以並不一定是說一定要把什麼獎功的同項移除才叫做清除威權象徵\n\n07:24.315 --> 07:26.277\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n07:39.472 --> 08:06.033\n說得非常清楚第一段就是把蔣介石他的生平經歷解釋清楚第二段講說1987解嚴之後民間對於蔣介石的評價是哪些第三階段再講說我們2000年之後我們民進黨執政就開始推動轉型正義的政策這個內容都是史實都是非常客觀的但這就是一種空間解嚴這就是一種讓大家知道在台灣轉型正義的路上可以做到的事情\n\n08:06.713 --> 08:27.894\n所以我認為並不一定是像因為過去有其他委員在講說一定要把這個同項移除甚至是他們在國防委員會有講說那時候的有一個我們馮士寬前主委在國防委員會的時候他說要什麼堅決反對要移除同項其實真的不一定要做到這樣\n\n08:28.655 --> 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