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00:03:17,612\n就逐年來編列,然後來償還,未償還的大概是2.22億左右。市長,販發社會身份證,我想不是技術跟設備的問題而已。這個進行,當然我們內政部總統也說過,進行要跨機關的資料共享共用,你要提升資料的應用價值。\n\n11\n00:03:18,792 --> 00:03:22,436\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n12\n00:03:40,552 --> 00:03:53,985\n這次議事上看到的問題就是我們媒體政策業務宣導費的暴增的問題。我相信其他委員也有提到這件事。就是說我們從111到114年我們編列的預算分別是7.7億、10億跟9.1億。我們一年度編列要直接標準到15億。就是到今年後我們再加6億,這增加了65%。\n\n13\n00:04:05,996 --> 00:04:13,102\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。六、審查內政部主管部分。七、審查內政部主管部分。八、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n14\n00:04:35,831 --> 00:04:42,533\n二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n15\n00:04:52,896 --> 00:05:20,131\n本席絕對支持提升打詐能力跟全民反詐的意識因為詐騙真的很可惡但警政署114年你的打詐的宣傳的這個經費的計劃執行內容跟113年完全相同你沒有告訴我們說你詳細的告訴我們你們要怎麼做要預期達到什麼叫說你沒有說要怎麼做也沒有說要特別什麼樣你預期期待什麼效果跟績效嗎可是你要增加這麼多的預算\n\n16\n00:05:21,294 --> 00:05:23,415\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n17\n00:05:43,283 --> 00:05:46,806\n四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。六、審查內政部主管部分。七、審查內政部主管部分。八、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n18\n00:06:09,022 --> 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