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00:00:39,705\n運動部組織法草案案。我們總算看到了我們來看一下我們辦公室有非常多關於體育的關懷我想部長應該非常清楚我們先看下一頁在上個禮拜呢鄭麗君副院長接受了相關的專訪其中有一段話我覺得非常非常重要他應該也可以呼應國人目前對於即將到來的運動部的想像也就是一個一般的現代人對運動的期待跟想像那\n\n3\n00:00:40,265 --> 00:01:06,959\n不只是勝負的價值或者是奪牌的思維而是有更多關於整體的對於運動的想像跟需求所以副院長用了翻轉這個詞我覺得很重要我也要在這邊提出跟部長作為建議我們來看下一個要翻轉什麼我們一起來看其實很重要的是翻轉奪牌主義的功利思維落實全民運動的概念重建台灣的運動文化讓運動不再只是為國爭光而能夠成為台灣人共同的生命經驗\n\n4\n00:01:07,799 --> 00:01:23,246\n但是相關的論述作為所有政策的配套我們一起來看我想要提出一些積極的建議在我自己的版本裡面第一個我想要談的是運動部的組織規劃應該要解決問題而不是局限於現在的框架\n\n5\n00:01:23,866 --> 00:01:30,949\n運動部組織法草案（事由（立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會\n\n6\n00:01:48,015 --> 00:01:51,940\n運動發展部組織法草案案案件事件事實我認為我們未來應該要急起直追所以我提出運動監理司跟運動文化與資源司\n\n7\n00:02:04,657 --> 00:02:29,026\n體育暨運動部組織法草案案。我想要特別談一下運動監理司請部長看一下我的投影片上在投影片的左邊是現況我們來看一下體育署目前的競技組一直都被戲稱為提款機因為他是單項協會的監督單位而相關的奪牌KBI其實也在體育署的競技組因此有相關的補助也都會落到單項協會裡頭因此我們可以看到過往不管是藍協、竹協\n\n8\n00:02:30,026 --> 00:02:43,358\n草案案件,有非常多委員不是只有我關心過相關單項協會的問題可是因為過去他們都跟奪牌綁在一起因此就有很多的弊病產生我認為在未來運動部的規劃底下監理跟補助應該拉到我右邊這張圖來看單項協會他的監督是有運動監理司相關的奪牌這件事情還是國人有共同的期待我認為有運動競技司來規劃\n\n9\n00:02:56,650 --> 00:02:57,451\n運動發展部組織法草案案。\n\n10\n00:03:12,413 --> 00:03:34,082\n這個部分也要拜託教育部積極的研議也在運動部升格這個路上我們真的要認真面對如果單項協會的改革沒有辦法在這一次升格獲得解決後續還是有非常非常多的問題跟弊病還是要由立法院不斷的監督那我想到那個時候如果問題沒有解決對於國人的期待也是相對落空那我們來看另外一件事情我一直在倡議兒少運動\n\n11\n00:03:35,723 --> 00:03:42,285\n在目前行政院的版本裡面呢你們的全民署的規劃是分成左邊的四個縱規、新興、全齡跟社區運動還有海洋跟山林運動但是我一直在談相關年齡的分隔我們來看一下兒少運動組、成人運動組、社區推廣組還有適應運動跟體育組還有戶外跟民俗運動組我認為這樣的規劃才能讓全民署發揮它最大的功能\n\n12\n00:04:00,649 --> 00:04:15,202\n因為每一個年齡族群每一個運動項目都有他們特定的需求這個是我提出來的建議也請教一部參考最後我覺得是現在非常非常困難理解的就是關於體育班的業務部長你應該非常清楚體育班他從實質他從訓練到相關的賽制還有後續的非常多的配套還有適應體育長期以來也是我們體育署忽略的\n\n13\n00:04:24,750 --> 00:04:52,612\n發展部組織法草案案案但在運動部升格之後到底怎麼去面對跟處理這件事情我知道體育署在相關升格的活動上辦了非常多座談會我自己在立法院也因著這個連線我們也辦了兩場座談會關於體育班還有適應體育我積極的建議教育部應該要把體育班的業務跟適應體育的業務放在教育部做相關的分工處理免得會有分工不清的問題當然很多的細節沒有辦法在今天討論我們希望後續再跟教育部積極的討論\n\n14\n00:04:53,933 --> 00:05:20,979\n運動發展部組織法草案案下一張那有很多日本的經驗我今天時間不夠我就不再贅述可是我要談日本之所以有這樣的架構是因為他們對於整個國民體育運動的發展是有一個長年百年的規劃跟想像但是目前如果我們運動部的規劃侷限在目前體育署的業務我們會受限很多這個部分要拜託教育部積極的規劃跟處理接下來有另外一個事情我要一併來談運動部要成立了可是還有很多體育現場的傷痕沒有被處理喔\n\n15\n00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:41,679\n部長直到我要上台之前我剛剛已經確認過在松山高中的網頁上這一位黃萬龍老師過去有體罰打小孩耳光的經驗的這一個老師他現在依然掛在松山高中的網站上他是學校的體育老師很多事情都還沒有處理部長我知道你一直都說要依法辦理喔\n\n16\n00:05:42,119 --> 00:06:06,759\n那我相信等一下部長你一定也會承諾我要依法辦理可是我想要積極的提出來這個事件不是短期事件它有過去非常多歷史脈絡我積極的要求教育部要在一個月內積極的去盤點這件事情前後脈絡跟相關處理的過程到底發生了什麼事情然後為什麼到現在這個打小孩耳光的老師他竟然還在松山高中掛在網站上所以我今天的訴求我希望可以準時結束\n\n17\n00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:15,766\n運動部組織法草案案案件,我希望所有運動部的成立是全民的期待但是相關的組織設計業務分工我認為我們要有更多的討論跟來回應社會的期待還有相關學校的體育團隊爭議事件我認為教育部在運動部成立之前就應該要積極的獨立調查小組貫徹體法暴力領導人的政策宣示時間有限可不可以請部長簡單回應一下謝謝\n\n18\n00:06:30,077 --> 00:06:30,337\n發展部組織法草案案案\n\n19\n00:06:46,923 --> 00:07:03,010\n發展部組織法草案案案運動教練或者一些對學生的一些不適當的這些體滑我想暴力林榮忍體滑林榮忍這是我們既定政策我們一定會在委員的這一個期待的一個時間內跟委員做一個整個調查具體的\n\n20\n00:07:03,410 --> 00:07:03,590\n運動部組織法草案案\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5015\t5797\t運動部組織法草案案案。\n14651\t39705\t運動部組織法草案案。我們總算看到了我們來看一下我們辦公室有非常多關於體育的關懷我想部長應該非常清楚我們先看下一頁在上個禮拜呢鄭麗君副院長接受了相關的專訪其中有一段話我覺得非常非常重要他應該也可以呼應國人目前對於即將到來的運動部的想像也就是一個一般的現代人對運動的期待跟想像那\n40265\t66959\t不只是勝負的價值或者是奪牌的思維而是有更多關於整體的對於運動的想像跟需求所以副院長用了翻轉這個詞我覺得很重要我也要在這邊提出跟部長作為建議我們來看下一個要翻轉什麼我們一起來看其實很重要的是翻轉奪牌主義的功利思維落實全民運動的概念重建台灣的運動文化讓運動不再只是為國爭光而能夠成為台灣人共同的生命經驗\n67799\t83246\t但是相關的論述作為所有政策的配套我們一起來看我想要提出一些積極的建議在我自己的版本裡面第一個我想要談的是運動部的組織規劃應該要解決問題而不是局限於現在的框架\n83866\t90949\t運動部組織法草案（事由（立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會\n108015\t111940\t運動發展部組織法草案案案件事件事實我認為我們未來應該要急起直追所以我提出運動監理司跟運動文化與資源司\n124657\t149026\t體育暨運動部組織法草案案。我想要特別談一下運動監理司請部長看一下我的投影片上在投影片的左邊是現況我們來看一下體育署目前的競技組一直都被戲稱為提款機因為他是單項協會的監督單位而相關的奪牌KBI其實也在體育署的競技組因此有相關的補助也都會落到單項協會裡頭因此我們可以看到過往不管是藍協、竹協\n150026\t163358\t草案案件,有非常多委員不是只有我關心過相關單項協會的問題可是因為過去他們都跟奪牌綁在一起因此就有很多的弊病產生我認為在未來運動部的規劃底下監理跟補助應該拉到我右邊這張圖來看單項協會他的監督是有運動監理司相關的奪牌這件事情還是國人有共同的期待我認為有運動競技司來規劃\n176650\t177451\t運動發展部組織法草案案 。\n192413\t214082\t這個部分也要拜託教育部積極的研議也在運動部升格這個路上我們真的要認真面對如果單項協會的改革沒有辦法在這一次升格獲得解決後續還是有非常非常多的問題跟弊病還是要由立法院不斷的監督那我想到那個時候如果問題沒有解決對於國人的期待也是相對落空那我們來看另外一件事情我一直在倡議兒少運動\n215723\t222285\t在目前行政院的版本裡面呢你們的全民署的規劃是分成左邊的四個縱規、新興、全齡跟社區運動還有海洋跟山林運動但是我一直在談相關年齡的分隔我們來看一下兒少運動組、成人運動組、社區推廣組還有適應運動跟體育組還有戶外跟民俗運動組我認為這樣的規劃才能讓全民署發揮它最大的功能\n240649\t255202\t因為每一個年齡族群每一個運動項目都有他們特定的需求這個是我提出來的建議也請教一部參考最後我覺得是現在非常非常困難理解的就是關於體育班的業務部長你應該非常清楚體育班他從實質他從訓練到相關的賽制還有後續的非常多的配套還有適應體育長期以來也是我們體育署忽略的\n264750\t292612\t發展部組織法草案案 案 但在運動部升格之後到底怎麼去面對跟處理這件事情我知道體育署在相關升格的活動上辦了非常多座談會我自己在立法院也因著這個連線我們也辦了兩場座談會關於體育班還有適應體育我積極的建議教育部應該要把體育班的業務跟適應體育的業務放在教育部做相關的分工處理免得會有分工不清的問題當然很多的細節沒有辦法在今天討論我們希望後續再跟教育部積極的討論\n293933\t320979\t運動發展部組織法草案 案 下一張那有很多日本的經驗我今天時間不夠我就不再贅述可是我要談日本之所以有這樣的架構是因為他們對於整個國民體育運動的發展是有一個長年百年的規劃跟想像但是目前如果我們運動部的規劃侷限在目前體育署的業務我們會受限很多這個部分要拜託教育部積極的規劃跟處理接下來有另外一個事情我要一併來談運動部要成立了可是還有很多體育現場的傷痕沒有被處理喔\n323440\t341679\t部長直到我要上台之前我剛剛已經確認過在松山高中的網頁上這一位黃萬龍老師過去有體罰打小孩耳光的經驗的這一個老師他現在依然掛在松山高中的網站上他是學校的體育老師很多事情都還沒有處理部長我知道你一直都說要依法辦理喔\n342119\t366759\t那我相信等一下部長你一定也會承諾我要依法辦理可是我想要積極的提出來這個事件不是短期事件它有過去非常多歷史脈絡我積極的要求教育部要在一個月內積極的去盤點這件事情前後脈絡跟相關處理的過程到底發生了什麼事情然後為什麼到現在這個打小孩耳光的老師他竟然還在松山高中掛在網站上所以我今天的訴求我希望可以準時結束\n367500\t375766\t運動部組織法草案案案件,我希望所有運動部的成立是全民的期待但是相關的組織設計業務分工我認為我們要有更多的討論跟來回應社會的期待還有相關學校的體育團隊爭議事件我認為教育部在運動部成立之前就應該要積極的獨立調查小組貫徹體法暴力領導人的政策宣示時間有限可不可以請部長簡單回應一下謝謝\n390077\t390337\t發展部組織法草案案案\n406923\t423010\t發展部組織法草案案 案 運動教練或者一些對學生的一些不適當的這些體滑我想暴力林榮忍體滑林榮忍這是我們既定政策我們一定會在委員的這一個期待的一個時間內跟委員做一個整個調查具體的\n423410\t423590\t運動部組織法草案案\n","txt":"運動部組織法草案案案。\n運動部組織法草案案。我們總算看到了我們來看一下我們辦公室有非常多關於體育的關懷我想部長應該非常清楚我們先看下一頁在上個禮拜呢鄭麗君副院長接受了相關的專訪其中有一段話我覺得非常非常重要他應該也可以呼應國人目前對於即將到來的運動部的想像也就是一個一般的現代人對運動的期待跟想像那\n不只是勝負的價值或者是奪牌的思維而是有更多關於整體的對於運動的想像跟需求所以副院長用了翻轉這個詞我覺得很重要我也要在這邊提出跟部長作為建議我們來看下一個要翻轉什麼我們一起來看其實很重要的是翻轉奪牌主義的功利思維落實全民運動的概念重建台灣的運動文化讓運動不再只是為國爭光而能夠成為台灣人共同的生命經驗\n但是相關的論述作為所有政策的配套我們一起來看我想要提出一些積極的建議在我自己的版本裡面第一個我想要談的是運動部的組織規劃應該要解決問題而不是局限於現在的框架\n運動部組織法草案（事由（立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會\n運動發展部組織法草案案案件事件事實我認為我們未來應該要急起直追所以我提出運動監理司跟運動文化與資源司\n體育暨運動部組織法草案案。我想要特別談一下運動監理司請部長看一下我的投影片上在投影片的左邊是現況我們來看一下體育署目前的競技組一直都被戲稱為提款機因為他是單項協會的監督單位而相關的奪牌KBI其實也在體育署的競技組因此有相關的補助也都會落到單項協會裡頭因此我們可以看到過往不管是藍協、竹協\n草案案件,有非常多委員不是只有我關心過相關單項協會的問題可是因為過去他們都跟奪牌綁在一起因此就有很多的弊病產生我認為在未來運動部的規劃底下監理跟補助應該拉到我右邊這張圖來看單項協會他的監督是有運動監理司相關的奪牌這件事情還是國人有共同的期待我認為有運動競技司來規劃\n運動發展部組織法草案案 。\n這個部分也要拜託教育部積極的研議也在運動部升格這個路上我們真的要認真面對如果單項協會的改革沒有辦法在這一次升格獲得解決後續還是有非常非常多的問題跟弊病還是要由立法院不斷的監督那我想到那個時候如果問題沒有解決對於國人的期待也是相對落空那我們來看另外一件事情我一直在倡議兒少運動\n在目前行政院的版本裡面呢你們的全民署的規劃是分成左邊的四個縱規、新興、全齡跟社區運動還有海洋跟山林運動但是我一直在談相關年齡的分隔我們來看一下兒少運動組、成人運動組、社區推廣組還有適應運動跟體育組還有戶外跟民俗運動組我認為這樣的規劃才能讓全民署發揮它最大的功能\n因為每一個年齡族群每一個運動項目都有他們特定的需求這個是我提出來的建議也請教一部參考最後我覺得是現在非常非常困難理解的就是關於體育班的業務部長你應該非常清楚體育班他從實質他從訓練到相關的賽制還有後續的非常多的配套還有適應體育長期以來也是我們體育署忽略的\n發展部組織法草案案 案 但在運動部升格之後到底怎麼去面對跟處理這件事情我知道體育署在相關升格的活動上辦了非常多座談會我自己在立法院也因著這個連線我們也辦了兩場座談會關於體育班還有適應體育我積極的建議教育部應該要把體育班的業務跟適應體育的業務放在教育部做相關的分工處理免得會有分工不清的問題當然很多的細節沒有辦法在今天討論我們希望後續再跟教育部積極的討論\n運動發展部組織法草案 案 下一張那有很多日本的經驗我今天時間不夠我就不再贅述可是我要談日本之所以有這樣的架構是因為他們對於整個國民體育運動的發展是有一個長年百年的規劃跟想像但是目前如果我們運動部的規劃侷限在目前體育署的業務我們會受限很多這個部分要拜託教育部積極的規劃跟處理接下來有另外一個事情我要一併來談運動部要成立了可是還有很多體育現場的傷痕沒有被處理喔\n部長直到我要上台之前我剛剛已經確認過在松山高中的網頁上這一位黃萬龍老師過去有體罰打小孩耳光的經驗的這一個老師他現在依然掛在松山高中的網站上他是學校的體育老師很多事情都還沒有處理部長我知道你一直都說要依法辦理喔\n那我相信等一下部長你一定也會承諾我要依法辦理可是我想要積極的提出來這個事件不是短期事件它有過去非常多歷史脈絡我積極的要求教育部要在一個月內積極的去盤點這件事情前後脈絡跟相關處理的過程到底發生了什麼事情然後為什麼到現在這個打小孩耳光的老師他竟然還在松山高中掛在網站上所以我今天的訴求我希望可以準時結束\n運動部組織法草案案案件,我希望所有運動部的成立是全民的期待但是相關的組織設計業務分工我認為我們要有更多的討論跟來回應社會的期待還有相關學校的體育團隊爭議事件我認為教育部在運動部成立之前就應該要積極的獨立調查小組貫徹體法暴力領導人的政策宣示時間有限可不可以請部長簡單回應一下謝謝\n發展部組織法草案案案\n發展部組織法草案案 案 運動教練或者一些對學生的一些不適當的這些體滑我想暴力林榮忍體滑林榮忍這是我們既定政策我們一定會在委員的這一個期待的一個時間內跟委員做一個整個調查具體的\n運動部組織法草案案\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.015 --> 00:05.797\n運動部組織法草案案案。\n\n00:14.651 --> 00:39.705\n運動部組織法草案案。我們總算看到了我們來看一下我們辦公室有非常多關於體育的關懷我想部長應該非常清楚我們先看下一頁在上個禮拜呢鄭麗君副院長接受了相關的專訪其中有一段話我覺得非常非常重要他應該也可以呼應國人目前對於即將到來的運動部的想像也就是一個一般的現代人對運動的期待跟想像那\n\n00:40.265 --> 01:06.959\n不只是勝負的價值或者是奪牌的思維而是有更多關於整體的對於運動的想像跟需求所以副院長用了翻轉這個詞我覺得很重要我也要在這邊提出跟部長作為建議我們來看下一個要翻轉什麼我們一起來看其實很重要的是翻轉奪牌主義的功利思維落實全民運動的概念重建台灣的運動文化讓運動不再只是為國爭光而能夠成為台灣人共同的生命經驗\n\n01:07.799 --> 01:23.246\n但是相關的論述作為所有政策的配套我們一起來看我想要提出一些積極的建議在我自己的版本裡面第一個我想要談的是運動部的組織規劃應該要解決問題而不是局限於現在的框架\n\n01:23.866 --> 01:30.949\n運動部組織法草案（事由（立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會\n\n01:48.015 --> 01:51.940\n運動發展部組織法草案案案件事件事實我認為我們未來應該要急起直追所以我提出運動監理司跟運動文化與資源司\n\n02:04.657 --> 02:29.026\n體育暨運動部組織法草案案。我想要特別談一下運動監理司請部長看一下我的投影片上在投影片的左邊是現況我們來看一下體育署目前的競技組一直都被戲稱為提款機因為他是單項協會的監督單位而相關的奪牌KBI其實也在體育署的競技組因此有相關的補助也都會落到單項協會裡頭因此我們可以看到過往不管是藍協、竹協\n\n02:30.026 --> 02:43.358\n草案案件,有非常多委員不是只有我關心過相關單項協會的問題可是因為過去他們都跟奪牌綁在一起因此就有很多的弊病產生我認為在未來運動部的規劃底下監理跟補助應該拉到我右邊這張圖來看單項協會他的監督是有運動監理司相關的奪牌這件事情還是國人有共同的期待我認為有運動競技司來規劃\n\n02:56.650 --> 02:57.451\n運動發展部組織法草案案。\n\n03:12.413 --> 03:34.082\n這個部分也要拜託教育部積極的研議也在運動部升格這個路上我們真的要認真面對如果單項協會的改革沒有辦法在這一次升格獲得解決後續還是有非常非常多的問題跟弊病還是要由立法院不斷的監督那我想到那個時候如果問題沒有解決對於國人的期待也是相對落空那我們來看另外一件事情我一直在倡議兒少運動\n\n03:35.723 --> 03:42.285\n在目前行政院的版本裡面呢你們的全民署的規劃是分成左邊的四個縱規、新興、全齡跟社區運動還有海洋跟山林運動但是我一直在談相關年齡的分隔我們來看一下兒少運動組、成人運動組、社區推廣組還有適應運動跟體育組還有戶外跟民俗運動組我認為這樣的規劃才能讓全民署發揮它最大的功能\n\n04:00.649 --> 04:15.202\n因為每一個年齡族群每一個運動項目都有他們特定的需求這個是我提出來的建議也請教一部參考最後我覺得是現在非常非常困難理解的就是關於體育班的業務部長你應該非常清楚體育班他從實質他從訓練到相關的賽制還有後續的非常多的配套還有適應體育長期以來也是我們體育署忽略的\n\n04:24.750 --> 04:52.612\n發展部組織法草案案案但在運動部升格之後到底怎麼去面對跟處理這件事情我知道體育署在相關升格的活動上辦了非常多座談會我自己在立法院也因著這個連線我們也辦了兩場座談會關於體育班還有適應體育我積極的建議教育部應該要把體育班的業務跟適應體育的業務放在教育部做相關的分工處理免得會有分工不清的問題當然很多的細節沒有辦法在今天討論我們希望後續再跟教育部積極的討論\n\n04:53.933 --> 05:20.979\n運動發展部組織法草案案下一張那有很多日本的經驗我今天時間不夠我就不再贅述可是我要談日本之所以有這樣的架構是因為他們對於整個國民體育運動的發展是有一個長年百年的規劃跟想像但是目前如果我們運動部的規劃侷限在目前體育署的業務我們會受限很多這個部分要拜託教育部積極的規劃跟處理接下來有另外一個事情我要一併來談運動部要成立了可是還有很多體育現場的傷痕沒有被處理喔\n\n05:23.440 --> 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