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00:01:00,479\n所以凡是機車、機動、腳踏車啊這個都應該免徵啊騎機車的族群已經相當弱勢啊那這個部分應該這個部分應該都可以同意吧\n\n4\n00:01:06,519 --> 00:01:17,584\n委員報告因為現在貨物稅這個影響稅不大貨物稅這個部分還涉及到污染的一個造行動的問題所以我們也支持電動機車給更好的我們鼓勵民眾黨、電動車我們也是支持我們在這個部分給更好的優惠比如還有很多獎勵什麼各方面但一般的對於機車還有我國的這種\n\n5\n00:01:29,830 --> 00:01:50,177\n小客車價錢實在是太高了比起世界上很多國家不管是幾CC的都太高我們也應該大幅的調降讓國內的負擔可以減輕嘛這個稅損不大你看你們今年一年就超徵4千億然後快要5千億了這個證交稅沒有關係證交稅反正他交易我國又沒有資本利的這個\n\n6\n00:01:51,377 --> 00:01:56,600\n政交稅你這樣這幾個月這幾年股市不錯所以他們交一點稅也是應該那這個多交的稅我們要來幫助我們這些比較弱勢的族群騎機車的這些小客車讓國內的買車的這個負擔可以降低跟買房負擔降低是一個道理啊\n\n7\n00:02:17,029 --> 00:02:34,619\n所以今天有提出修正的動議,我有提案,那這應該沒有問題吧?跟委員報告,這個有關稅稅的部分還是要整體的一個考量而且已經討論很久了,我在上個月就已經請你們研究了,這個應該影響不到涉及到能源的運用以及污染的問題當然再次跟你強調能源不是沒有問題嗎?我們對電動車我們也再積極獎勵嘛\n\n8\n00:02:38,882 --> 00:03:05,967\n有時候是普遍性的小客車我們是希望透過這邊的獎勵讓我們消費者可以往這一邊去這個也是沒問題但是在沒有人有時候電動車還比較貴很多人沒有辦法負擔的情況下那讓他們去如果還只能買一般的車子這更弱勢的主因我們更應該幫助政府的政策除了租稅以外應該還有其他的方式來鼓勵這是殷實力道嘛讓國人的汽車可以更便宜一點用更好的價錢比國外\n\n9\n00:03:07,927 --> 00:03:26,806\n至少要跟國外比較接近嘛這個你趕快討論啦齁來我今天問你這等一下我們審就會審到啦齁來跟你討論齁在這個2021年的時候齁這個我們那個秋威節就台北四千元就是什麼呱吉啊他有提議提議啦齁要修正英九管理法的第30條開放網路賣酒有5200\n\n10\n00:03:29,969 --> 00:03:58,306\n多個復議有5000多位民眾公共政策參與平台有關開放網路賣酒提案在2016年的時候行政院會也通過《英國管理法》修正辦法開放一定條件方面的可以透過網路賣酒由超商交貨法官購買者的年齡因為現在都是網路世界網路科技開放賣酒初期先以小規模實施\n\n11\n00:04:00,548 --> 00:04:20,142\n這個2016年然後接著透過網路大數據分析買酒人的行為資料並不會因此而造成飲酒情形更氾濫你知道我們基本是當然主要都是賣高粱酒我們可以繳上繳中用這麼多稅收也是因為我們基本人的除了自己努力喝也努力努力吐槍我講電商對網路賣酒所以\n\n12\n00:04:23,064 --> 00:04:51,217\n我們是我們現在交互配酒我們自己有交互配酒你們可能不知道知不知道但是我們現在交互配酒價格沒有比以前好了那基本每個人都希望這個酒的價格可以越來越好然後當然這個販賣的管單因為在離島嘛我說是不是可以再請你們研議開放網路電商賣酒你看看世界各國英國、法國、日本中國大陸、澳洲都已經有採取用管控機制開放網路賣酒而且行之有年\n\n13\n00:04:52,017 --> 00:04:53,298\n財政委員、委員副副副副副\n\n14\n00:05:13,121 --> 00:05:28,691\n你們2021到現在我知道跟委員報告因為現在的菸酒管理法裡面還是對於網路賣酒是不容許的所以我才要提出這個建議要修法所以你剛剛也提到了嘛就是2016年就是105年的時候也曾經有一個修法然後送到立法院\n\n15\n00:05:29,251 --> 00:05:36,839\n但是呢因為從來又各界的意見非常不一致社會沒有共識所以這個部分並沒有完成這個修法我們也在跟衛福部瞭解那衛福部的表示是說根據調查統計我們青少年的飲酒問題有日趨的嚴重所以為了保護這個未成年人身心健康沒有一個\n\n16\n00:05:50,313 --> 00:05:52,716\n李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼\n\n17\n00:06:12,577 --> 00:06:31,372\n因為網路賣也是也是很多取貨都是要到很多超商啊到哪裡去取貨啊這個很多東西要認證啊或者上網的時候現在不是有自然能憑證嗎你上網你要可以買的時候你必須要通過那個自然能憑證這個都是方法可以做是用什麼方法我們一樣反對賣給未成年啊\n\n18\n00:06:32,373 --> 00:06:57,614\n是,方法怎麼這個時代一直在進步啊,2021到現在又2016到現在已經8年了,2021到現在已經3年了啊這個怎麼跟著,一定要跟著時代進步啊我跟你重申我還是反對,當然我們也是反對青少年我知道委員的意思在制度上,就像以前報稅嘛,要去國稅局排隊現在自然能憑證這樣上去就可以報稅啊怎麼樣在這個程序上做好規範嘛\n\n19\n00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:18,552\n所以跟委員報告我們也曾經邀集過相關的機關跟團體大家來開會然後呢他們認為說國際間開放網路泛酒的國家還是存在沒有辦法有效的防度而造購酒這個問題也就是說要有一個完整的配套的防度這個問題\n\n20\n00:07:20,353 --> 00:07:42,883\n因為那個現在ATM都是詐騙集團在用被人家去取錢啊領錢出來當詐騙那ATM應該不能使用啊EUFS就完全如果照你這個邏輯ATM就不能用啊因為他會變詐騙集團的這個工具啊的確是現在的確是嘛對不對那照你這種邏輯很多東西上網都很危險上網很多東西可能都會賣一些危險物品網路那個電商應該關閉啊\n\n21\n00:07:45,011 --> 00:08:13,391\n你了解嗎?我知道如果照你這種邏輯你要想辦法去讓管理進入規範嘛而不是一味的禁止嘛你了解我在說什麼嗎?我知道委員您的建議我們是不是再來再來跟相關機關跟團體來研議後我們也順便報告順便報告大概兩個月吧我上面就寫一個月你還給我兩個月不是啦研議研議是一個托詞啦齁但是真正要人解決啦\n\n22\n00:08:14,031 --> 00:08:40,362\n你們的心態要開放嘛我知道我們如果照你的邏輯所有東西在網路都不能賣電商應該全部關掉吧什麼東西都可能變成犯罪的工具那委員是不是容許我們兩個月我們是要開會議邀集機關跟團體一起對比如說你要具體提出說對於青少年的部分到底要怎麼做有沒有配套的完整的配套對自然能品證啊規定站牌的時候一定要輸入什麼那個不然照你這樣子很多年輕人什麼東西都不應該上去買啦照你們這種邏輯啊這種\n\n23\n00:08:41,883 --> 00:09:06,018\n因約廢時的邏輯嘛好第二個我想請教這個這個促餐師喔那剛剛也有提我也有提到啦齁這個地方都發行的永續在喔中央都沒有嘛齁那你看桃園發行的這個捷運社宅60億高雄135億喔這個那我上上回期有詢問金門大學宿舍新建是不是可以使用促餐方式推動財政部說\n\n24\n00:09:08,656 --> 00:09:29,304\n你又提供了過去兩年過去兩所大學成大跟台大都是用畜産推動的這個案例那金門大學有準備在116年1月發行4億的30年期公債那看進度這個是已經列入算是你們中央的永續債的個案嗎\n\n25\n00:09:31,856 --> 00:09:49,022\n請回答委員這個會提早到115年我們提早提早到115年就要發行試議是吧對那這個你們有沒有積極協助這個會我們一定會積極協助那你們積極協助的結果會不會像剛剛那個說的201件出差案提前解約文教設施佔了70多件\n\n26\n00:09:51,050 --> 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慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼\n因為網路賣也是也是很多取貨都是要到很多超商啊到哪裡去取貨啊這個很多東西要認證啊或者上網的時候現在不是有自然能憑證嗎你上網你要可以買的時候你必須要通過那個自然能憑證這個都是方法可以做是用什麼方法我們一樣反對賣給未成年啊\n是,方法怎麼這個時代一直在進步啊,2021到現在又2016到現在已經8年了,2021到現在已經3年了啊這個怎麼跟著,一定要跟著時代進步啊我跟你重申我還是反對,當然我們也是反對青少年我知道委員的意思在制度上,就像以前報稅嘛,要去國稅局排隊現在自然能憑證這樣上去就可以報稅啊怎麼樣在這個程序上做好規範嘛\n所以跟委員報告我們也曾經邀集過相關的機關跟團體大家來開會然後呢他們認為說國際間開放網路泛酒的國家還是存在沒有辦法有效的防度而造購酒這個問題也就是說要有一個完整的配套的防度這個問題\n因為那個現在ATM都是詐騙集團在用被人家去取錢啊領錢出來當詐騙那ATM應該不能使用啊EUFS就完全如果照你這個邏輯ATM就不能用啊因為他會變詐騙集團的這個工具啊的確是現在的確是嘛對不對那照你這種邏輯很多東西上網都很危險上網很多東西可能都會賣一些危險物品網路那個電商應該關閉啊\n你了解嗎?我知道如果照你這種邏輯你要想辦法去讓管理進入規範嘛而不是一味的禁止嘛你了解我在說什麼嗎?我知道委員您的建議我們是不是再來再來跟相關機關跟團體來研議後我們也順便報告順便報告大概兩個月吧我上面就寫一個月你還給我兩個月不是啦研議研議是一個托詞啦齁但是真正要人解決啦\n你們的心態要開放嘛我知道我們如果照你的邏輯所有東西在網路都不能賣電商應該全部關掉吧什麼東西都可能變成犯罪的工具那委員是不是容許我們兩個月我們是要開會議邀集機關跟團體一起對比如說你要具體提出說對於青少年的部分到底要怎麼做有沒有配套的完整的配套對自然能品證啊規定站牌的時候一定要輸入什麼那個不然照你這樣子很多年輕人什麼東西都不應該上去買啦照你們這種邏輯啊這種\n因約廢時的邏輯嘛好第二個我想請教這個這個促餐師喔那剛剛也有提我也有提到啦齁這個地方都發行的永續在喔中央都沒有嘛齁那你看桃園發行的這個捷運社宅60億高雄135億喔這個那我上上回期有詢問金門大學宿舍新建是不是可以使用促餐方式推動財政部說\n你又提供了過去兩年過去兩所大學成大跟台大都是用畜産推動的這個案例那金門大學有準備在116年1月發行4億的30年期公債那看進度這個是已經列入算是你們中央的永續債的個案嗎\n請回答委員這個會提早到115年我們提早提早到115年就要發行試議是吧對那這個你們有沒有積極協助這個會我們一定會積極協助那你們積極協助的結果會不會像剛剛那個說的201件出差案提前解約文教設施佔了70多件\n休息10分鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.694 --> 00:27.306\n委員哈部長剛剛吳委員提到這個是房價的問題牽涉到居住正義還有我們也是國安議題那我現在講的是我們今天修貨物稅條例本期也有提案在有關這個機車的部分機車還有小客這部分也應該調降貨物稅人家覺得騎機車事實上很多年輕人或者小客車是可能一些這個很多就是年輕的這個新婚家族\n\n00:28.426 --> 00:54.956\n年輕人還有新婚的這些相對在經濟上還沒有那麼穩固的這種族群所以這個機車條件貨物稅應該沒有什麼問題吧跟委員報告有關機車如果是電動的機車的話其實貨物稅其實並不需要這樣特徵我做的是普遍的嘛普遍的就是機車以前算是可能以前訂貨物稅是為了當它是奢侈品現在機車也不是奢侈品啊\n\n00:56.556 --> 01:00.479\n所以凡是機車、機動、腳踏車啊這個都應該免徵啊騎機車的族群已經相當弱勢啊那這個部分應該這個部分應該都可以同意吧\n\n01:06.519 --> 01:17.584\n委員報告因為現在貨物稅這個影響稅不大貨物稅這個部分還涉及到污染的一個造行動的問題所以我們也支持電動機車給更好的我們鼓勵民眾黨、電動車我們也是支持我們在這個部分給更好的優惠比如還有很多獎勵什麼各方面但一般的對於機車還有我國的這種\n\n01:29.830 --> 01:50.177\n小客車價錢實在是太高了比起世界上很多國家不管是幾CC的都太高我們也應該大幅的調降讓國內的負擔可以減輕嘛這個稅損不大你看你們今年一年就超徵4千億然後快要5千億了這個證交稅沒有關係證交稅反正他交易我國又沒有資本利的這個\n\n01:51.377 --> 01:56.600\n政交稅你這樣這幾個月這幾年股市不錯所以他們交一點稅也是應該那這個多交的稅我們要來幫助我們這些比較弱勢的族群騎機車的這些小客車讓國內的買車的這個負擔可以降低跟買房負擔降低是一個道理啊\n\n02:17.029 --> 02:34.619\n所以今天有提出修正的動議,我有提案,那這應該沒有問題吧?跟委員報告,這個有關稅稅的部分還是要整體的一個考量而且已經討論很久了,我在上個月就已經請你們研究了,這個應該影響不到涉及到能源的運用以及污染的問題當然再次跟你強調能源不是沒有問題嗎?我們對電動車我們也再積極獎勵嘛\n\n02:38.882 --> 03:05.967\n有時候是普遍性的小客車我們是希望透過這邊的獎勵讓我們消費者可以往這一邊去這個也是沒問題但是在沒有人有時候電動車還比較貴很多人沒有辦法負擔的情況下那讓他們去如果還只能買一般的車子這更弱勢的主因我們更應該幫助政府的政策除了租稅以外應該還有其他的方式來鼓勵這是殷實力道嘛讓國人的汽車可以更便宜一點用更好的價錢比國外\n\n03:07.927 --> 03:26.806\n至少要跟國外比較接近嘛這個你趕快討論啦齁來我今天問你這等一下我們審就會審到啦齁來跟你討論齁在這個2021年的時候齁這個我們那個秋威節就台北四千元就是什麼呱吉啊他有提議提議啦齁要修正英九管理法的第30條開放網路賣酒有5200\n\n03:29.969 --> 03:58.306\n多個復議有5000多位民眾公共政策參與平台有關開放網路賣酒提案在2016年的時候行政院會也通過《英國管理法》修正辦法開放一定條件方面的可以透過網路賣酒由超商交貨法官購買者的年齡因為現在都是網路世界網路科技開放賣酒初期先以小規模實施\n\n04:00.548 --> 04:20.142\n這個2016年然後接著透過網路大數據分析買酒人的行為資料並不會因此而造成飲酒情形更氾濫你知道我們基本是當然主要都是賣高粱酒我們可以繳上繳中用這麼多稅收也是因為我們基本人的除了自己努力喝也努力努力吐槍我講電商對網路賣酒所以\n\n04:23.064 --> 04:51.217\n我們是我們現在交互配酒我們自己有交互配酒你們可能不知道知不知道但是我們現在交互配酒價格沒有比以前好了那基本每個人都希望這個酒的價格可以越來越好然後當然這個販賣的管單因為在離島嘛我說是不是可以再請你們研議開放網路電商賣酒你看看世界各國英國、法國、日本中國大陸、澳洲都已經有採取用管控機制開放網路賣酒而且行之有年\n\n04:52.017 --> 04:53.298\n財政委員、委員副副副副副\n\n05:13.121 --> 05:28.691\n你們2021到現在我知道跟委員報告因為現在的菸酒管理法裡面還是對於網路賣酒是不容許的所以我才要提出這個建議要修法所以你剛剛也提到了嘛就是2016年就是105年的時候也曾經有一個修法然後送到立法院\n\n05:29.251 --> 05:36.839\n但是呢因為從來又各界的意見非常不一致社會沒有共識所以這個部分並沒有完成這個修法我們也在跟衛福部瞭解那衛福部的表示是說根據調查統計我們青少年的飲酒問題有日趨的嚴重所以為了保護這個未成年人身心健康沒有一個\n\n05:50.313 --> 05:52.716\n李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼等19人、李慧琼\n\n06:12.577 --> 06:31.372\n因為網路賣也是也是很多取貨都是要到很多超商啊到哪裡去取貨啊這個很多東西要認證啊或者上網的時候現在不是有自然能憑證嗎你上網你要可以買的時候你必須要通過那個自然能憑證這個都是方法可以做是用什麼方法我們一樣反對賣給未成年啊\n\n06:32.373 --> 06:57.614\n是,方法怎麼這個時代一直在進步啊,2021到現在又2016到現在已經8年了,2021到現在已經3年了啊這個怎麼跟著,一定要跟著時代進步啊我跟你重申我還是反對,當然我們也是反對青少年我知道委員的意思在制度上,就像以前報稅嘛,要去國稅局排隊現在自然能憑證這樣上去就可以報稅啊怎麼樣在這個程序上做好規範嘛\n\n07:01.199 --> 07:18.552\n所以跟委員報告我們也曾經邀集過相關的機關跟團體大家來開會然後呢他們認為說國際間開放網路泛酒的國家還是存在沒有辦法有效的防度而造購酒這個問題也就是說要有一個完整的配套的防度這個問題\n\n07:20.353 --> 07:42.883\n因為那個現在ATM都是詐騙集團在用被人家去取錢啊領錢出來當詐騙那ATM應該不能使用啊EUFS就完全如果照你這個邏輯ATM就不能用啊因為他會變詐騙集團的這個工具啊的確是現在的確是嘛對不對那照你這種邏輯很多東西上網都很危險上網很多東西可能都會賣一些危險物品網路那個電商應該關閉啊\n\n07:45.011 --> 08:13.391\n你了解嗎?我知道如果照你這種邏輯你要想辦法去讓管理進入規範嘛而不是一味的禁止嘛你了解我在說什麼嗎?我知道委員您的建議我們是不是再來再來跟相關機關跟團體來研議後我們也順便報告順便報告大概兩個月吧我上面就寫一個月你還給我兩個月不是啦研議研議是一個托詞啦齁但是真正要人解決啦\n\n08:14.031 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客車……"],["莊部長翠雲：我們希望透過這邊的獎勵讓消費者可以往這邊消費。"],["陳委員玉珍：這個是沒有問題，但是電動車比較貴，在很多人無法負擔的情況下，如果只能買一般的車子，我們更應該幫助這些更弱勢的族群啊！"],["莊部長翠雲：政府的政策除了租稅之外，應該還有其他的鼓勵方式。"],["陳委員玉珍：這個只是因勢利導嘛！讓國人購買汽車的價格可以更便宜一點，至少要與國外的價格接近嘛！這個你要趕快討論，等一下我們就會審查到了。","在2021年的時候，前臺北市議員邱威傑，也就是呱吉，他提議要修正菸酒管理法第三十條，開放網路賣酒，總共有五千二百多位民眾附議，這是在公共政策參與平台上的一項關於網路開放賣酒的提案。在2016年的時候，行政院會也通過菸酒管理法的修正辦法，開放一定條件販賣者可以透過網路賣酒，並由超商交貨，把關購買者的年齡。配合現在的網路科技發展開放網路賣酒，初期先以小規模施行，接著透過網路大數據分析買酒人的行為資料，並不會因此而造成飲酒情形更氾濫。金門當然主要都是販賣高粱酒，可以上繳中央這麼多的稅收，也是我們金門人自己努力喝、也努力促銷。關於電商的網路賣酒，我們自己有家戶配酒，不知道你們是否知道？但是現在家戶配酒的價格沒有比以前好，金門每個人都希望酒的價格可以越來越好，因為是離島，在販賣的管道方面，請你們研議開放網路電商賣酒。","你看看世界各國，包括英國、法國、日本、中國大陸及澳洲，已經採取以管控機制方式開放網路賣酒，而且是行之有年了，所以我們現在的政策是如何？2021年你們曾經回應過在公共政策開放平台的提案，很多的理由，說是貿然推動恐釀爭議。現在2024年即將結束，2025年將要到來，之前2016年也開始實驗過了，你們從2021年到現在……"],["莊部長翠雲：報告委員，因為現在的菸酒管理法還是不容許網路賣酒，對不對？"],["陳委員玉珍：對，所以我才要提出修法的建議。"],["莊部長翠雲：剛剛你也提到了，2016年，也就是105年的時候，曾經有一個修法送至立法院，但是因為各界意見不同、社會沒有共識，所以這個部分並沒有完成修法。後來我們也再向衛福部取得了解，衛福部表示，根據調查統計，我們的青少年飲酒問題日趨嚴重，為了保護未成年的身心健康，認為沒有一個防護可以透過網路取得酒品之前，還是先暫停這麼做。"],["陳委員玉珍：還是不給未成年買啊！未成年一樣不能買啊！"],["莊部長翠雲：對，在身分認證上可能要有一個完整的配套。"],["陳委員玉珍：買賣後去超商取酒時不就可以認證他的身分，就像現在去超商買酒買菸也都要看身分證啊！網路賣貨也是很多都要到超商取貨啊！很多東西要認證啊！或者現在不是有自然人憑證嗎？你要上網購買就必須透過自然人憑證，這個都是方法，所以是可以做，只是看要用什麼方法。我們一樣反對賣給未成年，只是採用什麼方法，時代一直在進步，從2016年到現在已經8年了、從2021年到現在已經3年了，一定要跟著時代進步啊！我再次向你重申，當然我們也是反對青少年……"],["莊部長翠雲：我知道委員的意思，但是……"],["陳委員玉珍：就像以前報稅要去國稅局排隊，現在用自然人憑證就可以上網報稅，怎麼樣在程序上做好規範，對嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：報告委員，我們也曾經邀集相關機關與團體，大家一起來開會。"],["陳委員玉珍：然後呢？"],["莊部長翠雲：他們認為國際間開放網路販酒的國家還是存在無法有效防杜兒少購酒的問題，也就是要有一個完整的配套去防止這個問題。"],["陳委員玉珍：依照這種說法的話，現在ATM都被詐騙集團用來作為取錢的工具，那麼ATM就應該不能使用啊！因噎廢食，如果照你這個邏輯，ATM就不能使用，因為它會變成詐騙集團的工具啊！的確是啊！現在的確是嘛！"],["莊部長翠雲：是，向委員……"],["陳委員玉珍：依照你這種邏輯，很多東西上網都很危險，可能網路上都會賣一些危險的物品，所以網路電商應該要關閉，你了解嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：我知道。"],["陳委員玉珍：如果照你這種邏輯，你要想辦法讓管理進入規範，而不是一味的禁止嘛！你了解我在說什麼嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：好，我知道委員的建議，是不是讓我們再與相關機關及團體研議，之後再提出書面報告，大概2個月吧！我們至少……"],["陳委員玉珍：我上面就寫了1個月，你還說要2個月？不是啦！研議是一個託辭，真正是要能解決，你們的心態要開放嘛！"],["莊部長翠雲：我知道，我們再來討論。"],["陳委員玉珍：如果按照你的邏輯，所有的東西在網路上都不能賣，電商應該全部都關掉，因為什麼東西都可能變成犯罪的工具。"],["莊部長翠雲：委員是不是能給我們2個月的時間，讓我們邀集相關機關及團體一起來討論，好不好？"],["陳委員玉珍：譬如你要具體提出對於青少年的部分到底要怎麼做。"],["莊部長翠雲：有沒有完整的配套。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，像是自然人憑證之類，規定購買時一定要輸入什麼資料，否則依照你們這種因噎廢食的邏輯，什麼東西都不應該上網去買了。"],["莊部長翠雲：好，謝謝委員。"],["陳委員玉珍：第二個，我想請教促參司，剛剛伍委員也有提到，地方都紛紛發行永續債，但是中央卻都沒有，你看桃園發行了捷運及社宅的60億元、高雄發行了135億元。上個會期我也詢問過財政部，金門大學的宿舍興建是否可以使用促參方式推動，財政部提供本席過去成大與臺大兩所大學，採用促參推動的案例。金門大學準備在116年1月發行4億的30年期公債，這個算是你們中央永續債的個案嗎？請回答？"],["莊部長翠雲：委員，我們會把這個提早到115年。"],["陳委員玉珍：提早到115年就要發行4億的公債嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：對。"],["陳委員玉珍：你們有沒有積極協助？"],["莊部長翠雲：會，我們一定會積極協助。"],["陳委員玉珍：你們積極協助的結果是否會像剛剛委員說的，在201件提前解約的促參案中文教設施就佔了七十多件啊？為什麼文教設施的案子都會提前解約？我很擔心金門大學在你們的積極協助下會變成這個樣子。"],["莊部長翠雲：提前解約不會是因為我們積極協助的關係，因為提前解約的原因很多……"],["陳委員玉珍：你們的協助不力啊！"],["莊部長翠雲：好，我們會加大努力、積極協助。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，這個請多多費心了，謝謝。"],["莊部長翠雲：好，謝謝。"],["主席：休息10分鐘。","休息（11時37分）","繼續開會（11時48分）"],["主席：現在繼續開會。","接著我們請黃珊珊委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":172,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-8","speakers":["賴惠員","王鴻薇","賴士葆","陳玉珍","羅明才","李彥秀","顏寬恒","陳菁徽","黃珊珊","林德福","吳秉叡","郭國文","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","李坤城","王世堅","羅廷瑋","羅智強","洪孟楷","黃國昌","陳培瑜","蔡其昌"],"page_start":13,"meetingDate":["2024-11-13"],"gazette_id":"11310002","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310002_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查「貨物稅條例」11 案：( 一 ) 行政院函請審議、本院台灣民眾黨黨團、委員張智倫等 17\n人、委員賴士葆等26人、委員蔡其昌等18人、委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等19人、委員陳\n冠廷等23人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員賴惠員等18人分別擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條條文修正草\n案」等9案、(二)本院委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條及第十二條之三條文修正草\n案」案、(三)本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條及第十二條之六條文修正草案」\n案；二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部及所屬單位歲入預算部分。（僅詢\n答）；三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部、國庫署、財政資訊中心歲出預\n算部分。（僅詢答）；四、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分有\n關財政部主管債務基金─中央政府債務基金。（僅詢答）","agenda_id":"11310002_00002"}}}