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\"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:16,830\n請陳昌明委員諮詢。陳昌明委員謝謝主席。首先有請農業部陳部長。請陳部長。各位老闆、國民老闆。\n\n2\n00:00:28,686 --> 00:00:35,834\n修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法\n\n3\n00:00:50,273 --> 00:01:12,506\n其養這是一個原因第二個部分是說這些野外的流浪貓的自然的繁殖那自然的繁殖本身如果說以它現在的繁殖倍率跟它的公母的比例的時候我們現在的一些作為的確有抑制但是沒有辦法馬上就把它清零我告訴你這事情要追求本人\n\n4\n00:01:13,479 --> 00:01:32,017\n我現在看這個社會經濟觀,我們現在推寵物車的比推嬰兒車的還要多。第二個,我是實際講,我的裡面秘書請教我這個動物的話不能亂講話。現在交郭叫寵物比交郭也流鼻子流不完。\n\n5\n00:01:33,123 --> 00:01:37,185\n及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。\n\n6\n00:02:00,141 --> 00:02:01,222\n條文修正草案案。\n\n7\n00:02:08,493 --> 00:02:36,782\n我覺得這個很重要你感染就要負這樣的責任為什麼會有這樣的情形?人是叫做接力的問題起因啊吼這個壓力很大所以隨時都會被盯著你沒有做你覺得良心不安各種條件就會來制裁你你要好好的照顧你下一代孩子啊這些寵物今天我心情好我就把他抱在一起我不要生氣了或是各種\n\n8\n00:02:37,722 --> 00:03:01,128\n把寵物放到外面他沒有一點社會責任的所以你要從這個根本上你敢給我取寵物你有給我拿政府的寶座還是給我訪問真的照顧寵物養的權比照顧小孩子養的權還痛所以你這個大姐的限制性條件沒你公的那些沒得抓那現在政府為什麼不敢做\n\n9\n00:03:02,108 --> 00:03:17,069\n因為年輕養的寵物很多選票有關係只要稍微講的對寵物不好的話選票都跑掉了但是我這個人我實際去做事我把這個問題貼著讓你們好好研究你們的看法怎麼樣\n\n10\n00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:31,826\n我跟委員報告第一個就是說我們其實已經在推動重複身分證那重複身分證其實代表了重複的一個身分以外也代表了寵物的登記那有了登記以後後面的管理這是第一點\n\n11\n00:03:32,927 --> 00:03:55,641\n第二點齁就是我們看到現在的很多流浪貓流浪犬包括現在的整個的寵物的一個市場裡面我覺得非常重要就是事主的責任啊對對對沿途管事哈我是跟你講一點這個詞題我不敢亂講因為我看到實在人跟照顧寵物跟照顧人類的不一樣我們有感受但是不敢講聽得懂嗎第二個\n\n12\n00:03:59,264 --> 00:04:23,515\n那外界第10屆委員會的時候南部的所謂喉嚨跑到國園裡面去啊你們怎樣去防治有沒有進一步的成果我們現在第一個就是我們用電幕網的部分去做一個補助然後更重要就是說我也請我們的林保署那邊去公開徵求更好的方法我們給予獎金徵求出來了沒有現在還在\n\n13\n00:04:24,756 --> 00:04:27,239\n還在徵求當中我現在怎麼提這個問題出來\n\n14\n00:04:43,615 --> 00:04:45,156\n本院委員林宜瑾等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n15\n00:05:07,705 --> 00:05:29,520\n但是我苗栗縣現在山區的狗籠都已經碰到這種問題。啊我會在第10屆開始講到現在我現在來啟床。我每次下鄉的時候那些人都說欸你也沒有歡迎啊你也沒有該掛帳的收費。我就等著這一天南部的經驗怎麼樣。你讓我對水果的損害。那我告訴你\n\n16\n00:05:36,824 --> 00:05:43,127\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n17\n00:06:01,917 --> 00:06:14,743\n那在一些情況之下他是可以獵殺的可是人我們針對獵殺通常不喜歡這樣做所以我們都是用圍捕的用電幕網的部分你講的我們農業一流啊我們的動物我們的實驗所還缺其實這個可以一個專案去想你們現在不在場自己想開幾年\n\n18\n00:06:25,847 --> 00:06:42,217\n來補充條,要是有一種生物秩序的話,不傷害寵物又能貫徹牠的繁衍的話,臨時去研究借嘛,不要做傳統的做法,我今天會重點一點而已,我苗栗的問題要如何解決。\n\n19\n00:06:43,929 --> 00:06:58,661\n我先講喔,我苗栗的那個水果市都在山坡地喔,跟南坡的平地不一樣,人家有的有的,我們要再變來變去,要再管再給喔。你幫我想要怎麼來解決,我幫你考取解決。\n\n20\n00:07:00,071 --> 00:07:19,636\n我會跟委員報告,就是說第一個像這樣的一個防火的部分應該跟當地的居民、農民一起合作啦那提供巡守的部分然後驅趕的部分那試驗單位現在有非常多的驅趕的這個作為你這表面文章我怎麼知道那個狗,狗我怎麼知道晚上要來還是晚上要來\n\n21\n00:07:21,656 --> 00:07:22,017\n規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n22\n00:07:35,655 --> 00:08:00,494\n您真正是不作為公務這新的技術。你們這樣的問題就沒有辦法解決。你們那麼多的實驗所,你們那麼多的專家,安然視守無策。台灣公農業的進步我也不怎麼相信。尤其你是那個科技的那種來當部長,應該想出新的辦法。我現在要解決我地方的問題。\n\n23\n00:08:05,307 --> 00:08:32,533\n你那個電網你說了搞我不曉得早上晚上來我天天要派人去繞山區那麼大如何去找所以這不務實際我看了你們管政府說不錯我就我不相信不錯我說很爛的做法再來你要怎麼把這裡搞這裡來保護這裡的農民你們一定有一套辦法這樣五十年這個問題沒辦法讓人改觀\n\n24\n00:08:35,609 --> 00:08:37,010\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程。\n\n25\n00:08:51,158 --> 00:09:09,361\n如果確實嚴重,農業障礙我這個地方我會照出來一看。你用農業障礙的補償辦法。你這辦法想給這些農民,不然水果種了那麼久,採的量那麼少,疑心何忍啊。這跟你那個農業障礙保護沒有說這麼多啊。\n\n26\n00:09:11,397 --> 00:09:13,238\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n27\n00:09:34,913 --> 00:09:58,490\n我會慎重的考慮就是說以現在來講就是我們只有天然災害救助的辦法你不能說照以往這個是天然災害啊你們說不能把米油殺了我他來吃我的不是天然災害是什麼天然災害有天然災害的範疇啊這也是天然災害的一種您把它納入裡面嘛這我們要來檢討這什麼事我跟你講花的錢不多\n\n28\n00:09:59,551 --> 00:10:00,771\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n29\n00:10:14,923 --> 00:10:15,704\n規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n30\n00:10:35,643 --> 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--> 00:16.830\n請陳昌明委員諮詢。陳昌明委員謝謝主席。首先有請農業部陳部長。請陳部長。各位老闆、國民老闆。\n\n00:28.686 --> 00:35.834\n修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法\n\n00:50.273 --> 01:12.506\n其養這是一個原因第二個部分是說這些野外的流浪貓的自然的繁殖那自然的繁殖本身如果說以它現在的繁殖倍率跟它的公母的比例的時候我們現在的一些作為的確有抑制但是沒有辦法馬上就把它清零我告訴你這事情要追求本人\n\n01:13.479 --> 01:32.017\n我現在看這個社會經濟觀,我們現在推寵物車的比推嬰兒車的還要多。第二個,我是實際講,我的裡面秘書請教我這個動物的話不能亂講話。現在交郭叫寵物比交郭也流鼻子流不完。\n\n01:33.123 --> 01:37.185\n及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。\n\n02:00.141 --> 02:01.222\n條文修正草案案。\n\n02:08.493 --> 02:36.782\n我覺得這個很重要你感染就要負這樣的責任為什麼會有這樣的情形?人是叫做接力的問題起因啊吼這個壓力很大所以隨時都會被盯著你沒有做你覺得良心不安各種條件就會來制裁你你要好好的照顧你下一代孩子啊這些寵物今天我心情好我就把他抱在一起我不要生氣了或是各種\n\n02:37.722 --> 03:01.128\n把寵物放到外面他沒有一點社會責任的所以你要從這個根本上你敢給我取寵物你有給我拿政府的寶座還是給我訪問真的照顧寵物養的權比照顧小孩子養的權還痛所以你這個大姐的限制性條件沒你公的那些沒得抓那現在政府為什麼不敢做\n\n03:02.108 --> 03:17.069\n因為年輕養的寵物很多選票有關係只要稍微講的對寵物不好的話選票都跑掉了但是我這個人我實際去做事我把這個問題貼著讓你們好好研究你們的看法怎麼樣\n\n03:18.250 --> 03:31.826\n我跟委員報告第一個就是說我們其實已經在推動重複身分證那重複身分證其實代表了重複的一個身分以外也代表了寵物的登記那有了登記以後後面的管理這是第一點\n\n03:32.927 --> 03:55.641\n第二點齁就是我們看到現在的很多流浪貓流浪犬包括現在的整個的寵物的一個市場裡面我覺得非常重要就是事主的責任啊對對對沿途管事哈我是跟你講一點這個詞題我不敢亂講因為我看到實在人跟照顧寵物跟照顧人類的不一樣我們有感受但是不敢講聽得懂嗎第二個\n\n03:59.264 --> 04:23.515\n那外界第10屆委員會的時候南部的所謂喉嚨跑到國園裡面去啊你們怎樣去防治有沒有進一步的成果我們現在第一個就是我們用電幕網的部分去做一個補助然後更重要就是說我也請我們的林保署那邊去公開徵求更好的方法我們給予獎金徵求出來了沒有現在還在\n\n04:24.756 --> 04:27.239\n還在徵求當中我現在怎麼提這個問題出來\n\n04:43.615 --> 04:45.156\n本院委員林宜瑾等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n05:07.705 --> 05:29.520\n但是我苗栗縣現在山區的狗籠都已經碰到這種問題。啊我會在第10屆開始講到現在我現在來啟床。我每次下鄉的時候那些人都說欸你也沒有歡迎啊你也沒有該掛帳的收費。我就等著這一天南部的經驗怎麼樣。你讓我對水果的損害。那我告訴你\n\n05:36.824 --> 05:43.127\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n06:01.917 --> 06:14.743\n那在一些情況之下他是可以獵殺的可是人我們針對獵殺通常不喜歡這樣做所以我們都是用圍捕的用電幕網的部分你講的我們農業一流啊我們的動物我們的實驗所還缺其實這個可以一個專案去想你們現在不在場自己想開幾年\n\n06:25.847 --> 06:42.217\n來補充條,要是有一種生物秩序的話,不傷害寵物又能貫徹牠的繁衍的話,臨時去研究借嘛,不要做傳統的做法,我今天會重點一點而已,我苗栗的問題要如何解決。\n\n06:43.929 --> 06:58.661\n我先講喔,我苗栗的那個水果市都在山坡地喔,跟南坡的平地不一樣,人家有的有的,我們要再變來變去,要再管再給喔。你幫我想要怎麼來解決,我幫你考取解決。\n\n07:00.071 --> 07:19.636\n我會跟委員報告,就是說第一個像這樣的一個防火的部分應該跟當地的居民、農民一起合作啦那提供巡守的部分然後驅趕的部分那試驗單位現在有非常多的驅趕的這個作為你這表面文章我怎麼知道那個狗,狗我怎麼知道晚上要來還是晚上要來\n\n07:21.656 --> 07:22.017\n規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n07:35.655 --> 08:00.494\n您真正是不作為公務這新的技術。你們這樣的問題就沒有辦法解決。你們那麼多的實驗所,你們那麼多的專家,安然視守無策。台灣公農業的進步我也不怎麼相信。尤其你是那個科技的那種來當部長,應該想出新的辦法。我現在要解決我地方的問題。\n\n08:05.307 --> 08:32.533\n你那個電網你說了搞我不曉得早上晚上來我天天要派人去繞山區那麼大如何去找所以這不務實際我看了你們管政府說不錯我就我不相信不錯我說很爛的做法再來你要怎麼把這裡搞這裡來保護這裡的農民你們一定有一套辦法這樣五十年這個問題沒辦法讓人改觀\n\n08:35.609 --> 08:37.010\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程。\n\n08:51.158 --> 09:09.361\n如果確實嚴重,農業障礙我這個地方我會照出來一看。你用農業障礙的補償辦法。你這辦法想給這些農民,不然水果種了那麼久,採的量那麼少,疑心何忍啊。這跟你那個農業障礙保護沒有說這麼多啊。\n\n09:11.397 --> 09:13.238\n規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規\n\n09:34.913 --> 09:58.490\n我會慎重的考慮就是說以現在來講就是我們只有天然災害救助的辦法你不能說照以往這個是天然災害啊你們說不能把米油殺了我他來吃我的不是天然災害是什麼天然災害有天然災害的範疇啊這也是天然災害的一種您把它納入裡面嘛這我們要來檢討這什麼事我跟你講花的錢不多\n\n09:59.551 --> 10:00.771\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n10:14.923 --> 10:15.704\n規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程\n\n10:35.643 --> 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