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00:02:29,792\n報告委員那我們行政院在8月31號以前已經把中央政府總預算包括數發布的預算還有兩署預算全部都送到各委員辦公室送到立法院我說你在說明你這成本的預算說明用人話你們的專業話想要去說明明年度為什麼要委員支持你們的預算就丟一本預算給我們就結束了嗎\n\n6\n00:02:30,572 --> 00:02:57,054\n今天為什麼要排這個預算報告報告說什麼預算丟給你還報告什麼不要排了嘛也不要審了嘛我就覺得你們用3月6月報告去總共兩個署50級的預算我建議部長你可以去思考一下這一個形式上的一個尊重的一個態度會有問題好那我們再來看這個我們產業署啊產業署的副署長你先上來一下支援一下部長\n\n7\n00:02:58,530 --> 00:03:14,180\n我可以看到預算是越來越豐滿但是我們比較關心企業跟民眾有沒有感我們數位部算是各部會一個比較新成立的部會也代表了民眾在新的時代有很多的一個期待\n\n8\n00:03:15,060 --> 00:03:44,018\n那到底我們企業跟民眾有沒有感呢?我們看到今年度啊成長幅度最高的我們整個數位部啊本部加兩署成長了15.6億其中將近10億都在產業發展署數位產業署數位產業署裡面你們自己大概多了10億但我們來看一下呢你們人數多了13人兵力就位成長兵力喔成長喔\n\n9\n00:03:45,078 --> 00:03:57,548\n預算成長到底準備幹事了吧自己為為我們這個國民要拼一下嘛但我們來看一下呢在比較預算上面112年我從25.8億我們的產業署到114年45.4億你的整體預算在這個署內成長了75%成長43%算是算是成長的不少喔\n\n10\n00:04:11,198 --> 00:04:29,706\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算．立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提案於12月3日中央政府總預算．立法院提案於12月3日中央政府總預算．立法院提案於12月3日中央政府總預算．立法院提案於12月3日中央政府總預算．立法院提案於12月3日中央政府總預算．立法院提案於12月3日中央政府總預算．立法院提案於12月3日中央政府總預算．立法院提案於12月3日中央政府總預算�\n\n11\n00:04:30,646 --> 00:04:41,596\n學術單位、企業單位、顧問公司在做到底在做什麼東西你們現在委辦費在持續增高委辦費在112年才12.2億現在委辦費高達31.4億成長百分之157億啊你這樣的預算增加委辦費副組長你說一下什麼原因啊增加13個人是要做什麼的\n\n12\n00:04:56,562 --> 00:05:10,419\n跟委員報告131隊主要用在打詐的一些推動13人是增加在打詐的工作上面增加在打詐嘛那委外有打詐嗎\n\n13\n00:05:11,780 --> 00:05:39,862\n委外的部分不是打詐的部分最主要有三塊第一塊是我們的AI的推動的部分現在生成的是AI對大家產業未來的發展很重要那第二個是我們的數位的公共建設的部分包括我們要建立一些算力池讓置物業可以來使用那第三個部分就是我們會給地方政府明年開始會有一個公建給地方政府來申請就是我們那個城市建模的部分就類似我們過去的數位成長的計畫\n\n14\n00:05:40,823 --> 00:06:01,959\n除了看到你的署內預算大幅增加,因為今天時間有限,細部我們在審預算都在討論可是大家都關心打詐的部分嘛,那打詐的部分已經談了很多次了數據就不要再講了,被詐騙的金額、詐騙的次數可能是今年比較有接入吧,所以大幅的一個成長\n\n15\n00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:06,143\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算\n\n16\n00:06:19,472 --> 00:06:46,123\n我感覺數位部你開始發功了但是人民覺得績效沒有很好啊剛剛很多委員都說啊那我就請問一下部長你到底覺得在市詐賭詐打詐上面越打越詐的原因在數位部的原因是什麼你可以跟我講一下報告委員那個我想剛剛有講過這幾個問題一個就是說我們第一個打詐是詐騙的源頭一直在變那現在我們當然就是用AI技術要去掃這個詐騙那\n\n17\n00:06:48,384 --> 00:07:09,882\n我上任之後我們也發展了一些技術那目前我們看到的是尤其在網路廣告平台上面的詐騙確實有減少但是這個減少的在反映到金額的部分需要一點時間因為今天看到的金額是可能因為詐騙警察是養套殺他們可能都是在3到6個月以前就開始接觸這些被騙的人\n\n18\n00:08:13,921 --> 00:08:38,678\n這也是產業署嘛產業署你們在做的網路詐騙通報查詢軟體啊那大家也說了很多次嘛那你們現在還在測試嘛在測試在修正那我們也要負責任幫你去測試一下所以我們請辦公室的秘書好好在最近幫你做一個測試啊我們希望你正式版上任的時候我們現在談到的問題不能再有你剛剛特別講相信\n\n19\n00:08:39,318 --> 00:08:54,396\n在各部會的團隊打詐國家隊努力之下能夠減少你講的是重點啊就你一個人努力沒有用啊你做一個很好用的softwareAPP讓民眾方便檢舉但是後端不處理沒有用喔先講沒有用喔\n\n20\n00:08:55,177 --> 00:09:21,055\n那我跟你講現在發生了三個樣態我們自己辦公室適到的第一個呢是判定延誤啊不會不理睬我就講第一個啦你優化軟體如果你沒有優化打架國家隊所設的單位部會他們的效能效率重不重視這件事的話這件事情是事被公辦所以我們看到了到現在還掛在網上你們11月6號這第一個\n\n21\n00:09:25,945 --> 00:09:35,211\n十月六號十月五號六號有兩個民眾檢舉的你知道嗎到今天為止他的狀態掛在哪裡勞動部衛福部確認中\n\n22\n00:09:40,186 --> 00:10:06,114\n這是豬隊友嗎還是他比較大尾沒有啊到底是詐騙嗎你知道網路詐騙一天攻擊次數非常多我不要說現在知道你今天給我今天24小時內你給我一個明確的答案就算慢了嘛在數位的時代你還有7天6天7天你們自己去看我待會今年只給你們到現在還在確認中代表有些不會\n\n23\n00:10:07,054 --> 00:10:14,297\n二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於11月5日中央政府總預算案關於11月5日中央政府總預算案關於11月5日中央政府總預算案關於11月5日中央政府總預算案關於11月5日\n\n24\n00:10:36,528 --> 00:10:38,250\n第三類是你真的詐騙喔真的詐騙喔我們現在點還能夠點進去啦那我想\n\n25\n00:10:51,598 --> 00:11:19,829\n我要拜託你好今天真的是給你們這中間的有一些的情況尤其部會中間的效率五六天七八天說還沒有判定完成那最後我也拜託一下啦因為我也不知道你們講了這麼多咖啡跟這些社群欄裡也說了這麼多我不知道我們的召委應該常常有遇到這個問題啦那給我們藍勾勾不是藍勾勾沒有什麼好教啊就是什麼查證啊確認再三確認FB好不容易\n\n26\n00:11:20,609 --> 00:11:46,694\n指摸了半天給我個藍勾勾藍勾勾怎麼勾藍勾勾還是被這個假造號勾勾的啊每一天可以出兩三個啊欸這種訊息啊你知道我們辦公室那怎麼辦趕快去檢舉趕快我們去按檢舉按檢舉按檢舉欸未來如果我去請教一下未來有沒有什麼簡化的方式啊就是說這種算不算名人詐騙直接仿佔直接把你的粉專\n\n27\n00:11:47,734 --> 00:11:48,735\n主席主席主席主席\n\n28\n00:12:03,385 --> 00:12:21,880\n議員８立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供\n\n29\n00:12:25,703 --> 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不會不理睬我就講第一個啦你優化軟體如果你沒有優化打架國家隊所設的單位部會他們的效能效率重不重視這件事的話這件事情是事被公辦所以我們看到了到現在還掛在網上你們11月6號這第一個\n十月六號十月五號六號有兩個民眾檢舉的你知道嗎到今天為止他的狀態掛在哪裡勞動部衛福部確認中\n這是豬隊友嗎還是他比較大尾沒有啊到底是詐騙嗎你知道網路詐騙一天攻擊次數非常多我不要說現在知道你今天給我今天24小時內你給我一個明確的答案就算慢了嘛在數位的時代你還有7天6天7天你們自己去看我待會今年只給你們到現在還在確認中代表有些不會\n二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於11月5日中央政府總預算案關於11月5日中央政府總預算案關於11月5日中央政府總預算案關於11月5日中央政府總預算案關於11月5日\n第三類是你真的詐騙喔真的詐騙喔我們現在點還能夠點進去啦那我想\n我要拜託你好今天真的是給你們這中間的有一些的情況尤其部會中間的效率五六天七八天說還沒有判定完成那最後我也拜託一下啦因為我也不知道你們講了這麼多咖啡跟這些社群欄裡也說了這麼多我不知道我們的召委應該常常有遇到這個問題啦那給我們藍勾勾不是藍勾勾沒有什麼好教啊就是什麼查證啊確認再三確認FB好不容易\n指摸了半天給我個藍勾勾藍勾勾怎麼勾藍勾勾還是被這個假造號勾勾的啊每一天可以出兩三個啊欸這種訊息啊你知道我們辦公室那怎麼辦趕快去檢舉趕快我們去按檢舉按檢舉按檢舉欸未來如果我去請教一下未來有沒有什麼簡化的方式啊就是說這種算不算名人詐騙直接仿佔直接把你的粉專\n主席主席主席主席\n議員８立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供信訊：立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會提供\n哇!你真的很有信心喔!我也希望!這真的很麻煩!如果他們不配合,我們剛剛講就會開始罰錢。FB、LINE整盤被盜走的一堆人。如果未來是真的不會,那真的是第一個大福音。我們希望、期待這趕快能夠落實。好不好?法規我們有武器。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.212 --> 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