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00:02:02,575\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃\n\n8\n00:02:26,465 --> 00:02:28,145\n規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容\n\n9\n00:02:52,311 --> 00:03:06,608\n其實他所負責的這些漁港的維護還有包括養殖的部分其實有一些不足的地方那這個部分我想我們會來去想辦法去處理因為魚也特別是漁港的部分雖然說是二類漁港縣市政府\n\n10\n00:03:07,008 --> 00:03:26,286\n但是農業部不能推脫這個責任我覺得應該要有一個協助的機制我覺得非常非常開心也非常非常欣慰不能說阿列漁養屬於市政府主管那這個漁業署就完全不管對我們應該還是要有協助的方式我們會來看看用什麼方式來處理這個那個為野生東額走11月10號那個\n\n11\n00:03:30,409 --> 00:03:33,551\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容\n\n12\n00:03:45,581 --> 00:04:12,602\n這件作為目前大概我以我們部理院目前現行的做法就是多管齊下因地制宜那第二個這是原則啦對具體的做法要很清楚的告訴包括地方政府要怎麼配合是很多地方政府他沒有辦法有達成你們相關的這個要求沒錯所以你說你要認領養的循環到一定程度你的這個部分林撲殺才能達到這個你政策目的對不對沒錯\n\n13\n00:04:14,215 --> 00:04:16,076\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容\n\n14\n00:04:35,123 --> 00:04:39,145\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容\n\n15\n00:05:03,539 --> 00:05:23,941\n都沒有辦法達成這個年度目標,所以它必須辦保留。很多這種狀況都地方政府沒辦法執行。你地方政府沒辦法配合的話,你這個林木柏沙就沒辦法落實。市長,你要瞭解問題在哪裡。有,委員我這不清楚,對。那針對這些相對比較消極的地方政府,\n\n16\n00:05:24,915 --> 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