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00:00:29,577\n好謝謝主席我想請財政部長還有趙鋒、金控、董董事長以及台灣台酒公司湯董事長好那個請部長還有董董事長還有我們的湯董事長委員好是部長好還有一位董事長\n\n2\n00:00:37,537 --> 00:00:53,172\n好部長好兩位董事長好我想今天有一個很重要的事情就是兆豐金控的董董事長我現在在這裡本席要給你按兩個讚第一個讚是銀行公會希望能夠訂立融資公司的專法是嗎\n\n3\n00:00:54,534 --> 00:01:19,119\n第二個讚就是之前在兆豐銀行開出第一槍從現在開始到明年要暫停在非實名制的網路社群媒體下廣告現在所有公營銀行庫部長全部都加入了嗎第一個土地銀行確定已經加入了其他的勒在座的董董各位董事長都加入吧不加入的舉手\n\n4\n00:01:20,046 --> 00:01:47,634\n沒有嘛,齁?報告委員關股的全部都進來關股加入上禮拜都已經全部加入了所以銀行公會也在董董事長的領導之下接下來民營的銀行你要怎麼辦?我們盡量是用呼籲的方式、用勸說的方式呼籲、勸說打詐指揮中心打詐是中華民國政府最重要的工作是這些所謂的非實名的社群媒體他們當然是國際公司\n\n5\n00:01:49,099 --> 00:02:16,202\n離我們跟不離我們會差很多至少至少現在你不知道到底有多少人冒用了我們的這些相關的銀行做廣告只要你沒下廣告就知道那上面的廣告一定是假的對吧沒錯沒錯所以這件事情要堅持部長除了我們工銀行庫之外我也希望財政部跟銀行工會去跟我們的民營銀行勸說至少這是一個態度的問題好嗎\n\n6\n00:02:17,782 --> 00:02:39,769\n是,我想這個部分我們也會跟金管會一起來合作是好,所以我剛剛請台九公司上來,台九公司要不要也呼應一下你們好像下的廣告也不少好如果他不配合我們的公股,包括我們不配合我們財政部的政策你的廣告是不是也要考慮一下考慮一下吧好\n\n7\n00:02:40,216 --> 00:02:56,484\n好說好了就要做到第二個部分部長請問財政部所主管的機關大概有編列了4700多萬的媒體政策跟業務宣傳有沒有花在剛剛所說的這些非實名制的網路社群媒體上\n\n8\n00:02:57,344 --> 00:03:19,111\n瞭解的話大概就是租稅的部分我們會做一些宣導大概會是以貼文的方式會去做一些貼文貼文沒有問題廣告的部分沒有吧對就是用貼文的方式我們也會再去做一些盤查如果能夠以更好的更有效的方式杜絕這些運用這樣子來做詐騙的讓民眾不要上當我覺得更重要這是我們主要的一個\n\n9\n00:03:19,591 --> 00:03:20,952\n沛琳沛琳沛沛沛沛\n\n10\n00:03:40,463 --> 00:04:06,319\n下的媒體廣告大家都看一下吧不要只有兆豐銀嘛不要只有公營行庫嘛應該是全政府都應該找一片看看我們到底下了多少廣告在這些非實名制的社群媒體上財政部來幫我統計好嗎整理一下也許可能跟其他機關我們也會請其他機關一起調資料但是財政部所屬的也麻煩您財政部所屬我們來處理所以還是一樣\n\n11\n00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,483\n陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員\n\n12\n00:04:33,366 --> 00:04:54,682\n報告委員其實這個我不敢鞠躬這也是主管機關有要求當然我也去跟主管機關報告說如果去參考日本、香港或是甚至其他英國的話大概也差不多都有這種專法所以我建議是要趕快去設這個專法謝謝我想銀行公會應該是最希望成立專法免得現在變成大家亂成一團\n\n13\n00:04:55,823 --> 00:05:07,778\n而且最重要的是台灣社會裡面有太多受到這些影響的不管是年輕人也好或者是弱勢族群也好可能比較大的關鍵點是在於誰是主管機關好謝謝那兩位董事長請回我請部長繼續\n\n14\n00:05:09,727 --> 00:05:31,969\n今天我們在討論的是貨物稅所以貨物稅裡面把所有的大客車、公共汽車只要是電動車我們都以作為減免但是現在有關我們這些電動車它最大的問題是主要的問題部長知道為什麼電動車的推廣沒有辦法這麼普及嗎\n\n15\n00:05:33,697 --> 00:05:35,377\n賴慈智慧、賴慈智慧、賴慈智慧\n\n16\n00:06:02,352 --> 00:06:07,456\n好數量不夠現在今年上半年電動車的新掛牌就有19000輛2023年是有2萬多輛那到目前為止電動小客車的總數已經到8萬多輛看起來數量不斷的在增長可是我們的充電樁好像沒有像車輛增長的這麼快\n\n17\n00:06:23,490 --> 00:06:44,347\n所以很多的問題是充電樁不夠所以大家換購的意願就沒有那麼高現在的問題是充電站不夠的原因可能有幾樣第一個是環境部我們大力在推展可是為什麼還是不夠目標一樣我們是不是有更多的推力跟拉力曾經在2022年的時候\n\n18\n00:06:49,079 --> 00:07:01,969\n相關的會計十事無所早就已經在推動說如果要提升台灣的電動車產業就希望充電站的地價稅、房屋稅有沒有可能做一些優惠現在財政部有沒有這樣的方向\n\n19\n00:07:06,482 --> 00:07:31,582\n有沒有可能做相關優惠因為土地稅法18條規定特定土地的使用項目它可以課徵地價稅然後不需要經由所謂第16條所以以前是用停車場的部分做了樣貫的優惠那充電樁是不是充電站在土地稅法或者是黃屋稅法中間我們可以增加一些所謂的減免的規範部長\n\n20\n00:07:34,421 --> 00:08:01,257\n委員您提到就是說對充電樁的設置從這個稅的部分來給你鼓勵那這是不是主要的一個原因我覺得這個再去探究然後我們會再去盤整一下相關現行的法令在這個部分是不是可以如果在停車場裡面設停車如果停車場原來也就是免地價稅的話那當然就不會有這個問題那其實停車場本來就有所謂的優惠嘛那我想還有一個就是\n\n21\n00:08:02,398 --> 00:08:19,786\n就我所知在因為過往的建築物裡面下面如果現在我們買的房子下面有地下停車位那地下停車位通常大家希望把車子開回去能夠有充電裝因為充電裝有兩種一種可能是很快速的有一種就是很久你才充得飽的\n\n22\n00:08:20,806 --> 00:08:49,008\n這也是一個問題如何在原有房屋裡面加設電動樁第二個就是新建房屋裡面有沒有要求對停車位裡面就一定的比例的充電站這個都是很多的方式來推動土地稅而已土地稅如果做了相關的優惠也許它是一個誘因我講的是拉力跟推力我除了給它車輛的優惠我給它充電站的優惠可能也是另外一個我只希望\n\n23\n00:08:49,728 --> 00:09:17,801\n財政部因為這個如果免稅減稅會減到地方政府的地方稅所以我希望財政部去統一討論一下是不是找環境部還有我們相關的單位去找到可能給他優惠的機會我們再來研議看看這個可能是除了研議之外我希望它是一個政府淨零碳排目標的一個整體政策裡面考慮的東西裡面的一環是不是另外最後我想還是要問一下\n\n24\n00:09:19,022 --> 00:09:46,881\n部長問一下我們貨物稅其實在我上任之後3月份就有跟您提到除了碳稅接下來要徵了能源稅最重要的是我們的貨物稅其實非常老舊而且不合時宜電視機跟液晶顯示器一個要徵客貨物稅一個不用現在我們找到很多有趣的冰箱要徵貨物稅可是冰藏屍體的\n\n25\n00:09:48,562 --> 00:10:11,118\n施提冷凍櫃沒有貨物稅冰凍雪漿的冰庫也沒有貨物稅可是我們一般人的冰箱有貨物稅這是什麼道理如同委員所說貨物稅確實是一個很奇怪的道理冰屍體冰雪漿不需要貨物稅冰我家裡的蔬菜水果要貨物稅\n\n26\n00:10:12,701 --> 00:10:34,175\n這個貨物稅該檢討了你當時答應我11月會有檢討報告來了嗎?有一個委外報告嘛,對第二個,液晶顯示器跟電視機一個有貨物稅一個沒有錄音機有貨物稅可是手機有錄音功能也沒有貨物稅這個叫做原則性的問題第三個,更有趣的\n\n27\n00:10:36,663 --> 00:10:55,758\n積積積積積的飲料要課貨物稅但是手搖杯不用貨物稅這實在是太奇怪了啦部長你的檢討了沒檢討了多少什麼時候會有檢討報告貨物稅該做檢討全面檢討您提的那個沒有錯您提的當時是說11月底這個檢討那個整個報告會出來但是後來因為\n\n28\n00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:19,034\n他要在範圍的關係所以會延到12月這個報告會出來沒關係但是部長我剛剛講的這些很奇怪的稅財政部必須這是幾十年前認為說家裡買個電冰箱是奢侈品現在它只是一般人的生活用品第二個冰皮的東西就變免貨物稅這太奇怪了\n\n29\n00:11:20,314 --> 00:11:46,965\n這個東西檢討不是只有我說而是全面性你們要重新去檢討所有貨物稅它的合理性好嗎?12月的報告麻煩部長拿出來第二個就剛剛講的你們下的這些廣告的預算也麻煩在一個禮拜之內把相關的預算資料盤點給我謝謝部長謝謝珊珊委員主席在這裡宣布中午我們不休息那12點以後我們開放就是在會場用餐\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7602\t29577\t好 謝謝主席 我想請財政部長還有趙鋒、金控、董董事長以及台灣台酒公司湯董事長好 那個請部長還有董董事長還有我們的湯董事長委員好是 部長好 還有一位董事長\n37537\t53172\t好部長好兩位董事長好我想今天有一個很重要的事情就是兆豐金控的董董事長我現在在這裡本席要給你按兩個讚第一個讚是銀行公會希望能夠訂立融資公司的專法是嗎\n54534\t79119\t第二個讚就是之前在兆豐銀行開出第一槍從現在開始到明年要暫停在非實名制的網路社群媒體下廣告現在所有公營銀行庫部長全部都加入了嗎第一個土地銀行確定已經加入了其他的勒在座的董董各位董事長都加入吧不加入的舉手\n80046\t107634\t沒有嘛,齁?報告委員關股的全部都進來關股加入上禮拜都已經全部加入了所以銀行公會也在董董事長的領導之下接下來民營的銀行你要怎麼辦?我們盡量是用呼籲的方式、用勸說的方式呼籲、勸說打詐指揮中心打詐是中華民國政府最重要的工作是這些所謂的非實名的社群媒體他們當然是國際公司\n109099\t136202\t離我們跟不離我們會差很多至少至少現在你不知道到底有多少人冒用了我們的這些相關的銀行做廣告只要你沒下廣告就知道那上面的廣告一定是假的對吧沒錯沒錯所以這件事情要堅持部長除了我們工銀行庫之外我也希望財政部跟銀行工會去跟我們的民營銀行勸說至少這是一個態度的問題好嗎\n137782\t159769\t是,我想這個部分我們也會跟金管會一起來合作是好,所以我剛剛請台九公司上來,台九公司要不要也呼應一下你們好像下的廣告也不少好如果他不配合我們的公股,包括我們不配合我們財政部的政策你的廣告是不是也要考慮一下考慮一下吧好\n160216\t176484\t好 說好了就要做到第二個部分部長請問財政部所主管的機關大概有編列了4700多萬的媒體政策跟業務宣傳有沒有花在剛剛所說的這些非實名制的網路社群媒體上\n177344\t199111\t瞭解的話大概就是租稅的部分我們會做一些宣導大概會是以貼文的方式會去做一些貼文貼文沒有問題廣告的部分沒有吧對就是用貼文的方式我們也會再去做一些盤查如果能夠以更好的更有效的方式杜絕這些運用這樣子來做詐騙的讓民眾不要上當我覺得更重要這是我們主要的一個\n199591\t200952\t沛琳沛琳沛沛沛沛\n220463\t246319\t下的媒體廣告大家都看一下吧不要只有兆豐銀嘛不要只有公營行庫嘛應該是全政府都應該找一片看看我們到底下了多少廣告在這些非實名制的社群媒體上財政部來幫我統計好嗎整理一下也許可能跟其他機關我們也會請其他機關一起調資料但是財政部所屬的也麻煩您財政部所屬我們來處理所以還是一樣\n249040\t253483\t陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員\n273366\t294682\t報告委員其實這個我不敢鞠躬這也是主管機關有要求當然我也去跟主管機關報告說如果去參考日本、香港或是甚至其他英國的話大概也差不多都有這種專法所以我建議是要趕快去設這個專法謝謝我想銀行公會應該是最希望成立專法免得現在變成大家亂成一團\n295823\t307778\t而且最重要的是台灣社會裡面有太多受到這些影響的不管是年輕人也好或者是弱勢族群也好可能比較大的關鍵點是在於誰是主管機關好 謝謝那兩位董事長請回我請部長繼續\n309727\t331969\t今天我們在討論的是貨物稅所以貨物稅裡面把所有的大客車、公共汽車只要是電動車我們都以作為減免但是現在有關我們這些電動車它最大的問題是主要的問題部長知道為什麼電動車的推廣沒有辦法這麼普及嗎\n333697\t335377\t賴慈智慧、賴慈智慧、賴慈智慧\n362352\t367456\t好數量不夠現在今年上半年電動車的新掛牌就有19000輛2023年是有2萬多輛那到目前為止電動小客車的總數已經到8萬多輛看起來數量不斷的在增長可是我們的充電樁好像沒有像車輛增長的這麼快\n383490\t404347\t所以很多的問題是充電樁不夠所以大家換購的意願就沒有那麼高現在的問題是充電站不夠的原因可能有幾樣第一個是環境部我們大力在推展可是為什麼還是不夠目標一樣我們是不是有更多的推力跟拉力曾經在2022年的時候\n409079\t421969\t相關的會計十事無所早就已經在推動說如果要提升台灣的電動車產業就希望充電站的地價稅、房屋稅有沒有可能做一些優惠現在財政部有沒有這樣的方向\n426482\t451582\t有沒有可能做相關優惠因為土地稅法18條規定特定土地的使用項目它可以課徵地價稅然後不需要經由所謂第16條所以以前是用停車場的部分做了樣貫的優惠那充電樁是不是充電站在土地稅法或者是黃屋稅法中間我們可以增加一些所謂的減免的規範部長\n454421\t481257\t委員您提到就是說對充電樁的設置從這個稅的部分來給你鼓勵那這是不是主要的一個原因我覺得這個再去探究然後我們會再去盤整一下相關現行的法令在這個部分是不是可以如果在停車場裡面設停車如果停車場原來也就是免地價稅的話那當然就不會有這個問題那其實停車場本來就有所謂的優惠嘛那我想還有一個就是\n482398\t499786\t就我所知在因為過往的建築物裡面下面如果現在我們買的房子下面有地下停車位那地下停車位通常大家希望把車子開回去能夠有充電裝因為充電裝有兩種一種可能是很快速的有一種就是很久你才充得飽的\n500806\t529008\t這也是一個問題如何在原有房屋裡面加設電動樁第二個就是新建房屋裡面有沒有要求對停車位裡面就一定的比例的充電站這個都是很多的方式來推動土地稅而已土地稅如果做了相關的優惠也許它是一個誘因我講的是拉力跟推力我除了給它車輛的優惠我給它充電站的優惠可能也是另外一個我只希望\n529728\t557801\t財政部因為這個如果免稅減稅會減到地方政府的地方稅所以我希望財政部去統一討論一下是不是找環境部還有我們相關的單位去找到可能給他優惠的機會我們再來研議看看這個可能是除了研議之外我希望它是一個政府淨零碳排目標的一個整體政策裡面考慮的東西裡面的一環是不是另外最後我想還是要問一下\n559022\t586881\t部長問一下我們貨物稅其實在我上任之後3月份就有跟您提到除了碳稅接下來要徵了能源稅最重要的是我們的貨物稅其實非常老舊而且不合時宜電視機跟液晶顯示器一個要徵客貨物稅一個不用現在我們找到很多有趣的冰箱要徵貨物稅可是冰藏屍體的\n588562\t611118\t施提冷凍櫃沒有貨物稅冰凍雪漿的冰庫也沒有貨物稅可是我們一般人的冰箱有貨物稅這是什麼道理如同委員所說貨物稅確實是一個很奇怪的道理冰屍體冰雪漿不需要貨物稅冰我家裡的蔬菜水果要貨物稅\n612701\t634175\t這個貨物稅該檢討了你當時答應我11月會有檢討報告來了嗎?有一個委外報告嘛,對第二個,液晶顯示器跟電視機一個有貨物稅一個沒有錄音機有貨物稅可是手機有錄音功能也沒有貨物稅這個叫做原則性的問題第三個,更有趣的\n636663\t655758\t積積積積積的飲料要課貨物稅但是手搖杯不用貨物稅這實在是太奇怪了啦部長你的檢討了沒檢討了多少什麼時候會有檢討報告貨物稅該做檢討全面檢討您提的那個沒有錯您提的當時是說11月底這個檢討那個整個報告會出來但是後來因為\n658800\t679034\t他要在範圍的關係所以會延到12月這個報告會出來沒關係但是部長我剛剛講的這些很奇怪的稅財政部必須這是幾十年前認為說家裡買個電冰箱是奢侈品現在它只是一般人的生活用品第二個冰皮的東西就變免貨物稅這太奇怪了\n680314\t706965\t這個東西檢討不是只有我說而是全面性你們要重新去檢討所有貨物稅它的合理性好嗎?12月的報告麻煩部長拿出來第二個就剛剛講的你們下的這些廣告的預算也麻煩在一個禮拜之內把相關的預算資料盤點給我謝謝部長謝謝珊珊委員主席在這裡宣布中午我們不休息那12點以後我們開放就是在會場用餐\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我想請財政部長還有趙鋒、金控、董董事長以及台灣台酒公司湯董事長好 那個請部長還有董董事長還有我們的湯董事長委員好是 部長好 還有一位董事長\n好部長好兩位董事長好我想今天有一個很重要的事情就是兆豐金控的董董事長我現在在這裡本席要給你按兩個讚第一個讚是銀行公會希望能夠訂立融資公司的專法是嗎\n第二個讚就是之前在兆豐銀行開出第一槍從現在開始到明年要暫停在非實名制的網路社群媒體下廣告現在所有公營銀行庫部長全部都加入了嗎第一個土地銀行確定已經加入了其他的勒在座的董董各位董事長都加入吧不加入的舉手\n沒有嘛,齁?報告委員關股的全部都進來關股加入上禮拜都已經全部加入了所以銀行公會也在董董事長的領導之下接下來民營的銀行你要怎麼辦?我們盡量是用呼籲的方式、用勸說的方式呼籲、勸說打詐指揮中心打詐是中華民國政府最重要的工作是這些所謂的非實名的社群媒體他們當然是國際公司\n離我們跟不離我們會差很多至少至少現在你不知道到底有多少人冒用了我們的這些相關的銀行做廣告只要你沒下廣告就知道那上面的廣告一定是假的對吧沒錯沒錯所以這件事情要堅持部長除了我們工銀行庫之外我也希望財政部跟銀行工會去跟我們的民營銀行勸說至少這是一個態度的問題好嗎\n是,我想這個部分我們也會跟金管會一起來合作是好,所以我剛剛請台九公司上來,台九公司要不要也呼應一下你們好像下的廣告也不少好如果他不配合我們的公股,包括我們不配合我們財政部的政策你的廣告是不是也要考慮一下考慮一下吧好\n好 說好了就要做到第二個部分部長請問財政部所主管的機關大概有編列了4700多萬的媒體政策跟業務宣傳有沒有花在剛剛所說的這些非實名制的網路社群媒體上\n瞭解的話大概就是租稅的部分我們會做一些宣導大概會是以貼文的方式會去做一些貼文貼文沒有問題廣告的部分沒有吧對就是用貼文的方式我們也會再去做一些盤查如果能夠以更好的更有效的方式杜絕這些運用這樣子來做詐騙的讓民眾不要上當我覺得更重要這是我們主要的一個\n沛琳沛琳沛沛沛沛\n下的媒體廣告大家都看一下吧不要只有兆豐銀嘛不要只有公營行庫嘛應該是全政府都應該找一片看看我們到底下了多少廣告在這些非實名制的社群媒體上財政部來幫我統計好嗎整理一下也許可能跟其他機關我們也會請其他機關一起調資料但是財政部所屬的也麻煩您財政部所屬我們來處理所以還是一樣\n陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員\n報告委員其實這個我不敢鞠躬這也是主管機關有要求當然我也去跟主管機關報告說如果去參考日本、香港或是甚至其他英國的話大概也差不多都有這種專法所以我建議是要趕快去設這個專法謝謝我想銀行公會應該是最希望成立專法免得現在變成大家亂成一團\n而且最重要的是台灣社會裡面有太多受到這些影響的不管是年輕人也好或者是弱勢族群也好可能比較大的關鍵點是在於誰是主管機關好 謝謝那兩位董事長請回我請部長繼續\n今天我們在討論的是貨物稅所以貨物稅裡面把所有的大客車、公共汽車只要是電動車我們都以作為減免但是現在有關我們這些電動車它最大的問題是主要的問題部長知道為什麼電動車的推廣沒有辦法這麼普及嗎\n賴慈智慧、賴慈智慧、賴慈智慧\n好數量不夠現在今年上半年電動車的新掛牌就有19000輛2023年是有2萬多輛那到目前為止電動小客車的總數已經到8萬多輛看起來數量不斷的在增長可是我們的充電樁好像沒有像車輛增長的這麼快\n所以很多的問題是充電樁不夠所以大家換購的意願就沒有那麼高現在的問題是充電站不夠的原因可能有幾樣第一個是環境部我們大力在推展可是為什麼還是不夠目標一樣我們是不是有更多的推力跟拉力曾經在2022年的時候\n相關的會計十事無所早就已經在推動說如果要提升台灣的電動車產業就希望充電站的地價稅、房屋稅有沒有可能做一些優惠現在財政部有沒有這樣的方向\n有沒有可能做相關優惠因為土地稅法18條規定特定土地的使用項目它可以課徵地價稅然後不需要經由所謂第16條所以以前是用停車場的部分做了樣貫的優惠那充電樁是不是充電站在土地稅法或者是黃屋稅法中間我們可以增加一些所謂的減免的規範部長\n委員您提到就是說對充電樁的設置從這個稅的部分來給你鼓勵那這是不是主要的一個原因我覺得這個再去探究然後我們會再去盤整一下相關現行的法令在這個部分是不是可以如果在停車場裡面設停車如果停車場原來也就是免地價稅的話那當然就不會有這個問題那其實停車場本來就有所謂的優惠嘛那我想還有一個就是\n就我所知在因為過往的建築物裡面下面如果現在我們買的房子下面有地下停車位那地下停車位通常大家希望把車子開回去能夠有充電裝因為充電裝有兩種一種可能是很快速的有一種就是很久你才充得飽的\n這也是一個問題如何在原有房屋裡面加設電動樁第二個就是新建房屋裡面有沒有要求對停車位裡面就一定的比例的充電站這個都是很多的方式來推動土地稅而已土地稅如果做了相關的優惠也許它是一個誘因我講的是拉力跟推力我除了給它車輛的優惠我給它充電站的優惠可能也是另外一個我只希望\n財政部因為這個如果免稅減稅會減到地方政府的地方稅所以我希望財政部去統一討論一下是不是找環境部還有我們相關的單位去找到可能給他優惠的機會我們再來研議看看這個可能是除了研議之外我希望它是一個政府淨零碳排目標的一個整體政策裡面考慮的東西裡面的一環是不是另外最後我想還是要問一下\n部長問一下我們貨物稅其實在我上任之後3月份就有跟您提到除了碳稅接下來要徵了能源稅最重要的是我們的貨物稅其實非常老舊而且不合時宜電視機跟液晶顯示器一個要徵客貨物稅一個不用現在我們找到很多有趣的冰箱要徵貨物稅可是冰藏屍體的\n施提冷凍櫃沒有貨物稅冰凍雪漿的冰庫也沒有貨物稅可是我們一般人的冰箱有貨物稅這是什麼道理如同委員所說貨物稅確實是一個很奇怪的道理冰屍體冰雪漿不需要貨物稅冰我家裡的蔬菜水果要貨物稅\n這個貨物稅該檢討了你當時答應我11月會有檢討報告來了嗎?有一個委外報告嘛,對第二個,液晶顯示器跟電視機一個有貨物稅一個沒有錄音機有貨物稅可是手機有錄音功能也沒有貨物稅這個叫做原則性的問題第三個,更有趣的\n積積積積積的飲料要課貨物稅但是手搖杯不用貨物稅這實在是太奇怪了啦部長你的檢討了沒檢討了多少什麼時候會有檢討報告貨物稅該做檢討全面檢討您提的那個沒有錯您提的當時是說11月底這個檢討那個整個報告會出來但是後來因為\n他要在範圍的關係所以會延到12月這個報告會出來沒關係但是部長我剛剛講的這些很奇怪的稅財政部必須這是幾十年前認為說家裡買個電冰箱是奢侈品現在它只是一般人的生活用品第二個冰皮的東西就變免貨物稅這太奇怪了\n這個東西檢討不是只有我說而是全面性你們要重新去檢討所有貨物稅它的合理性好嗎?12月的報告麻煩部長拿出來第二個就剛剛講的你們下的這些廣告的預算也麻煩在一個禮拜之內把相關的預算資料盤點給我謝謝部長謝謝珊珊委員主席在這裡宣布中午我們不休息那12點以後我們開放就是在會場用餐\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.602 --> 00:29.577\n好謝謝主席我想請財政部長還有趙鋒、金控、董董事長以及台灣台酒公司湯董事長好那個請部長還有董董事長還有我們的湯董事長委員好是部長好還有一位董事長\n\n00:37.537 --> 00:53.172\n好部長好兩位董事長好我想今天有一個很重要的事情就是兆豐金控的董董事長我現在在這裡本席要給你按兩個讚第一個讚是銀行公會希望能夠訂立融資公司的專法是嗎\n\n00:54.534 --> 01:19.119\n第二個讚就是之前在兆豐銀行開出第一槍從現在開始到明年要暫停在非實名制的網路社群媒體下廣告現在所有公營銀行庫部長全部都加入了嗎第一個土地銀行確定已經加入了其他的勒在座的董董各位董事長都加入吧不加入的舉手\n\n01:20.046 --> 01:47.634\n沒有嘛,齁?報告委員關股的全部都進來關股加入上禮拜都已經全部加入了所以銀行公會也在董董事長的領導之下接下來民營的銀行你要怎麼辦?我們盡量是用呼籲的方式、用勸說的方式呼籲、勸說打詐指揮中心打詐是中華民國政府最重要的工作是這些所謂的非實名的社群媒體他們當然是國際公司\n\n01:49.099 --> 02:16.202\n離我們跟不離我們會差很多至少至少現在你不知道到底有多少人冒用了我們的這些相關的銀行做廣告只要你沒下廣告就知道那上面的廣告一定是假的對吧沒錯沒錯所以這件事情要堅持部長除了我們工銀行庫之外我也希望財政部跟銀行工會去跟我們的民營銀行勸說至少這是一個態度的問題好嗎\n\n02:17.782 --> 02:39.769\n是,我想這個部分我們也會跟金管會一起來合作是好,所以我剛剛請台九公司上來,台九公司要不要也呼應一下你們好像下的廣告也不少好如果他不配合我們的公股,包括我們不配合我們財政部的政策你的廣告是不是也要考慮一下考慮一下吧好\n\n02:40.216 --> 02:56.484\n好說好了就要做到第二個部分部長請問財政部所主管的機關大概有編列了4700多萬的媒體政策跟業務宣傳有沒有花在剛剛所說的這些非實名制的網路社群媒體上\n\n02:57.344 --> 03:19.111\n瞭解的話大概就是租稅的部分我們會做一些宣導大概會是以貼文的方式會去做一些貼文貼文沒有問題廣告的部分沒有吧對就是用貼文的方式我們也會再去做一些盤查如果能夠以更好的更有效的方式杜絕這些運用這樣子來做詐騙的讓民眾不要上當我覺得更重要這是我們主要的一個\n\n03:19.591 --> 03:20.952\n沛琳沛琳沛沛沛沛\n\n03:40.463 --> 04:06.319\n下的媒體廣告大家都看一下吧不要只有兆豐銀嘛不要只有公營行庫嘛應該是全政府都應該找一片看看我們到底下了多少廣告在這些非實名制的社群媒體上財政部來幫我統計好嗎整理一下也許可能跟其他機關我們也會請其他機關一起調資料但是財政部所屬的也麻煩您財政部所屬我們來處理所以還是一樣\n\n04:09.040 --> 04:13.483\n陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員\n\n04:33.366 --> 04:54.682\n報告委員其實這個我不敢鞠躬這也是主管機關有要求當然我也去跟主管機關報告說如果去參考日本、香港或是甚至其他英國的話大概也差不多都有這種專法所以我建議是要趕快去設這個專法謝謝我想銀行公會應該是最希望成立專法免得現在變成大家亂成一團\n\n04:55.823 --> 05:07.778\n而且最重要的是台灣社會裡面有太多受到這些影響的不管是年輕人也好或者是弱勢族群也好可能比較大的關鍵點是在於誰是主管機關好謝謝那兩位董事長請回我請部長繼續\n\n05:09.727 --> 05:31.969\n今天我們在討論的是貨物稅所以貨物稅裡面把所有的大客車、公共汽車只要是電動車我們都以作為減免但是現在有關我們這些電動車它最大的問題是主要的問題部長知道為什麼電動車的推廣沒有辦法這麼普及嗎\n\n05:33.697 --> 05:35.377\n賴慈智慧、賴慈智慧、賴慈智慧\n\n06:02.352 --> 06:07.456\n好數量不夠現在今年上半年電動車的新掛牌就有19000輛2023年是有2萬多輛那到目前為止電動小客車的總數已經到8萬多輛看起來數量不斷的在增長可是我們的充電樁好像沒有像車輛增長的這麼快\n\n06:23.490 --> 06:44.347\n所以很多的問題是充電樁不夠所以大家換購的意願就沒有那麼高現在的問題是充電站不夠的原因可能有幾樣第一個是環境部我們大力在推展可是為什麼還是不夠目標一樣我們是不是有更多的推力跟拉力曾經在2022年的時候\n\n06:49.079 --> 07:01.969\n相關的會計十事無所早就已經在推動說如果要提升台灣的電動車產業就希望充電站的地價稅、房屋稅有沒有可能做一些優惠現在財政部有沒有這樣的方向\n\n07:06.482 --> 07:31.582\n有沒有可能做相關優惠因為土地稅法18條規定特定土地的使用項目它可以課徵地價稅然後不需要經由所謂第16條所以以前是用停車場的部分做了樣貫的優惠那充電樁是不是充電站在土地稅法或者是黃屋稅法中間我們可以增加一些所謂的減免的規範部長\n\n07:34.421 --> 08:01.257\n委員您提到就是說對充電樁的設置從這個稅的部分來給你鼓勵那這是不是主要的一個原因我覺得這個再去探究然後我們會再去盤整一下相關現行的法令在這個部分是不是可以如果在停車場裡面設停車如果停車場原來也就是免地價稅的話那當然就不會有這個問題那其實停車場本來就有所謂的優惠嘛那我想還有一個就是\n\n08:02.398 --> 08:19.786\n就我所知在因為過往的建築物裡面下面如果現在我們買的房子下面有地下停車位那地下停車位通常大家希望把車子開回去能夠有充電裝因為充電裝有兩種一種可能是很快速的有一種就是很久你才充得飽的\n\n08:20.806 --> 08:49.008\n這也是一個問題如何在原有房屋裡面加設電動樁第二個就是新建房屋裡面有沒有要求對停車位裡面就一定的比例的充電站這個都是很多的方式來推動土地稅而已土地稅如果做了相關的優惠也許它是一個誘因我講的是拉力跟推力我除了給它車輛的優惠我給它充電站的優惠可能也是另外一個我只希望\n\n08:49.728 --> 09:17.801\n財政部因為這個如果免稅減稅會減到地方政府的地方稅所以我希望財政部去統一討論一下是不是找環境部還有我們相關的單位去找到可能給他優惠的機會我們再來研議看看這個可能是除了研議之外我希望它是一個政府淨零碳排目標的一個整體政策裡面考慮的東西裡面的一環是不是另外最後我想還是要問一下\n\n09:19.022 --> 09:46.881\n部長問一下我們貨物稅其實在我上任之後3月份就有跟您提到除了碳稅接下來要徵了能源稅最重要的是我們的貨物稅其實非常老舊而且不合時宜電視機跟液晶顯示器一個要徵客貨物稅一個不用現在我們找到很多有趣的冰箱要徵貨物稅可是冰藏屍體的\n\n09:48.562 --> 10:11.118\n施提冷凍櫃沒有貨物稅冰凍雪漿的冰庫也沒有貨物稅可是我們一般人的冰箱有貨物稅這是什麼道理如同委員所說貨物稅確實是一個很奇怪的道理冰屍體冰雪漿不需要貨物稅冰我家裡的蔬菜水果要貨物稅\n\n10:12.701 --> 10:34.175\n這個貨物稅該檢討了你當時答應我11月會有檢討報告來了嗎?有一個委外報告嘛,對第二個,液晶顯示器跟電視機一個有貨物稅一個沒有錄音機有貨物稅可是手機有錄音功能也沒有貨物稅這個叫做原則性的問題第三個,更有趣的\n\n10:36.663 --> 10:55.758\n積積積積積的飲料要課貨物稅但是手搖杯不用貨物稅這實在是太奇怪了啦部長你的檢討了沒檢討了多少什麼時候會有檢討報告貨物稅該做檢討全面檢討您提的那個沒有錯您提的當時是說11月底這個檢討那個整個報告會出來但是後來因為\n\n10:58.800 --> 11:19.034\n他要在範圍的關係所以會延到12月這個報告會出來沒關係但是部長我剛剛講的這些很奇怪的稅財政部必須這是幾十年前認為說家裡買個電冰箱是奢侈品現在它只是一般人的生活用品第二個冰皮的東西就變免貨物稅這太奇怪了\n\n11:20.314 --> 11:46.965\n這個東西檢討不是只有我說而是全面性你們要重新去檢討所有貨物稅它的合理性好嗎?12月的報告麻煩部長拿出來第二個就剛剛講的你們下的這些廣告的預算也麻煩在一個禮拜之內把相關的預算資料盤點給我謝謝部長謝謝珊珊委員主席在這裡宣布中午我們不休息那12點以後我們開放就是在會場用餐\n\n","segments":[{"start":7.602,"end":29.577,"text":"好 謝謝主席 我想請財政部長還有趙鋒、金控、董董事長以及台灣台酒公司湯董事長好 那個請部長還有董董事長還有我們的湯董事長委員好是 部長好 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……"],["黃委員珊珊：直接在家裡的充電樁充電。"],["莊部長翠雲：充電樁有兩種，一種是很快速的充電，另一種是要很久才能充得飽，這也是一個問題，如何在原有的房屋裡加設電動樁。第二個，新建房屋有沒有要求停車位有一定的比例設置充電樁。其實這個都有很多的方式來推動。"],["黃委員珊珊：沒關係，我與你討論的就是土地稅而已。"],["莊部長翠雲：土地稅的部分，我覺得……"],["黃委員珊珊：如果土地稅做了相關的優惠，也許它會是一個誘因，我講的是拉力與推力。"],["莊部長翠雲：對，我知道。"],["黃委員珊珊：除了給它車輛的優惠，還給它充電站的優惠，可能也是另外一個誘因，但是這個免稅、減稅會減到地方政府的地方稅，因此我希望財政部統一討論一下，是不是與環境部及相關單位找到可能給它優惠的機會，好嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：我們再來研議看看。"],["黃委員珊珊：這個可能是除了研議之外，我希望它是政府淨零碳排目標整體政策中考慮的東西。"],["莊部長翠雲：裡面的一環，是不是？"],["黃委員珊珊：最後，我要問一下部長，其實在我上任後的3月份就曾與你提過貨物稅，除了碳稅以及接下來要徵的能源稅，最重要的是我們的貨物稅非常老舊，而且不合時宜。譬如電視機與液晶顯示器，一個要徵貨物稅、一個不用。我們現在也找到很多有趣的規定，像是冰箱要徵貨物稅，但是冰藏屍體的冷凍櫃沒有貨物稅、冰凍血漿的冰庫也沒有貨物稅，一般人使用的冰箱卻有貨物稅，這是什麼道理？這是很奇怪的道理。"],["莊部長翠雲：如同委員所說的，貨物稅是一個很……"],["黃委員珊珊：冰屍體、冰血漿不需要貨物稅，冰我家裡的蔬菜水果要貨物稅，這個貨物稅該檢討了。當時你答應我在11月會有檢討報告，現在報告來了嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：對，有一個委外報告要出來。"],["黃委員珊珊：第二個，液晶顯示器與電視機，一個有貨物稅、一個沒有，錄音機有貨物稅，但是手機有錄音功能卻沒有貨物稅，這個叫做原則性的問題。第三個，更有趣的，機製的飲料要課貨物稅，但是手搖杯不用貨物稅，這個實在是太奇怪了。","部長，你們檢討了沒有？檢討了多少？什麼時候會有檢討報告？貨物稅該做檢討，全面性的檢討。"],["莊部長翠雲：委員提的沒有錯，當時是說11月底整個檢討報告會出來，但是後來因為範圍的關係，所以這個報告會延到12月才出來。"],["黃委員珊珊：沒關係！但是，部長，剛剛我講的那些很奇怪的稅，可能財政部幾十年前認為家裡買電冰箱是屬於奢侈品，但現在它只是一般人的生活用品。第二個，冰其他的東西就免貨物稅，這個太奇怪了！並不是只有我說的這個東西要檢討，而是你們要全面重新檢討所有貨物稅的合理性，好嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：好，謝謝委員。"],["黃委員珊珊：12月的報告就麻煩部長拿出來。第二個就是剛剛講的，你們下的這些廣告預算，也麻煩在1個禮拜之內將相關預算資料盤點給我。"],["莊部長翠雲：盤點一下。"],["黃委員珊珊：謝謝部長。"],["莊部長翠雲：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝珊珊委員。","主席在這裡宣布，我們中午不休息，12點之後開放在會場用餐。","接著請王鴻薇委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":172,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-8","speakers":["賴惠員","王鴻薇","賴士葆","陳玉珍","羅明才","李彥秀","顏寬恒","陳菁徽","黃珊珊","林德福","吳秉叡","郭國文","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","李坤城","王世堅","羅廷瑋","羅智強","洪孟楷","黃國昌","陳培瑜","蔡其昌"],"page_start":13,"meetingDate":["2024-11-13"],"gazette_id":"11310002","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310002_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查「貨物稅條例」11 案：( 一 ) 行政院函請審議、本院台灣民眾黨黨團、委員張智倫等 17\n人、委員賴士葆等26人、委員蔡其昌等18人、委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等19人、委員陳\n冠廷等23人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員賴惠員等18人分別擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條條文修正草\n案」等9案、(二)本院委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條及第十二條之三條文修正草\n案」案、(三)本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條及第十二條之六條文修正草案」\n案；二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部及所屬單位歲入預算部分。（僅詢\n答）；三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部、國庫署、財政資訊中心歲出預\n算部分。（僅詢答）；四、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分有\n關財政部主管債務基金─中央政府債務基金。（僅詢答）","agenda_id":"11310002_00002"}}}