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00:01:55,913\n國防部在三大報頭版頭出來的前一天我們相關對於媒體的公關或說相關的這些回應有沒有做出什麼樣的回應我想因為我們對於這樣子不是我們現在所提出來的據我的了解我們沒有這樣子的一個清單提出的情況之下我想我們國防部的立法部長您也是看到三大報昨天頭版頭之後你才知道有這件事\n\n6\n00:01:56,860 --> 00:02:20,652\n我至少我們國防部沒有提出這樣的一個清單是啊所以我的意思是說你沒有提出這個清單然後結果你身為一個國防部部長你是在昨天上午早上起床的時候看到三大報頭版頭你才知道我們有提出這個清單然後你才去問然後才去追源頭然後發覺說到今天發覺國防部上到下都沒有講過這樣的事情\n\n7\n00:02:22,020 --> 00:02:49,426\n我們因為FinalTime的意思就是說我們很不合理你會不會覺得現階段有提出去但我們現在已經也曾經說明我想總統也曾經說明了我們現階段並沒有提出這樣子的一個清單給美國或者是未來的川普政府那我一直在強調就是我們循既有的機制會跟美方就任何採購的項目會進行事先的溝通部長這些我都尊重而且我們其實不分黨派委員大家都講嘛\n\n8\n00:02:50,086 --> 00:03:16,186\n能夠獲得我國要的國防武器設備先進的我們絕對都支持但是現在的問題點在於是說如果如同你在國會殿堂裡面所答詢的這樣的狀況的話那我覺得這會產生一個很大的資訊落差一個是國內的三大報我想國內三大報他們不會拿他們的媒體的公信力去做\n\n9\n00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:26,755\n去做考驗而且是用頭版頭你曾幾何時在最近的新聞裡面看到三大報用頭版頭處理同樣的新聞\n\n10\n00:03:28,857 --> 00:03:50,212\n除了總統就職演說這種公開的確定的以外好像沒有啊如果它只是屬於一個小大的消息屬於一個就是沒有被經過證實的消息的話不可能非常不符合邏輯跟常理嘛那再者也有人講是說如果這樣的話會不會我們太早把底牌掀出來未來對於我們跟美國的一個軍購採購的時候會不會\n\n11\n00:03:52,705 --> 00:04:05,557\n一百五十億就變成是最基本的一個門檻他可能就認為是說我們至少就一百五十億以上的軍備國防預算要來購買相關武器會不會增加我們之後談判的一些難度\n\n12\n00:04:07,068 --> 00:04:27,368\n我的回答其實還是一樣的就是說因為我們要採購任何的項目還是要先跟美方進行溝通啊所以我們不會所以現在部長您如果說連你是負責國防部的部長都是看到報導你才知道這樣消息那這樣資訊的落差到底你覺得說嚴不嚴重啊\n\n13\n00:04:28,958 --> 00:04:55,608\n因為我也相信我也相信您所講的喔到目前我相信您所講的是我們都有台美交流綿密的交流機制管道我也認為過去即便今天美國政府共和黨民主黨要共和黨要政黨輪替但我相信中華民國跟美國的一個交流方面也不因為政黨輪替而有所變化嘛我們的制度應該是照走嘛是是所以部長您可以理解本席今天問出來這樣的問題到底\n\n14\n00:04:58,892 --> 00:05:21,457\n核心點跟細節您能夠掌握嗎?我沒有辦法進一步評論您剛提到的這個所謂相關的報導我想你可能有話也不好說啦感謝稍微抱歉一分鐘本席最近有另外一個部分是因為很多委員都講到是說待遇的問題那其中我們鄉親也有接受到這個教召\n\n15\n00:05:22,128 --> 00:05:39,050\n那現在我不知道說部長有沒有去關心這個火石的部分但是很多的鄉親回來抱怨叫招的火石啊真的不好那我也去查了一下你在今年有因為說叫招的一個提升的這個頻率所以說我們有提高了\n\n16\n00:05:40,060 --> 00:05:44,222\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國防部主管非營業基金．．\n\n17\n00:05:56,428 --> 00:06:16,264\n所以也難怪乎我們有鄉親回來之後就講是說他去接受教召真的伙食不好請再要回答好不好部長能不能來了解一下還是我們有沒有什麼樣管道因為97塊我說這個現在一顆便當可能都不止97塊了結果你97塊是要負責三餐那即便是大鍋飯的部分你可能也沒有辦法煮準備太好\n\n18\n00:06:17,277 --> 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