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00:01:26,075\n其實現場有很多是我們生態領域的專家學者其實他們都是可以幫助我們來解決相關問題的很重要的以重的幫手那部長我想先請問農業部其實在犬貓與野生動物保育這個農業部是犬貓跟野生動物保育的主管機關那對於大家現在擔心的這些問題這個農業部打算怎麼處理\n\n5\n00:01:27,208 --> 00:01:49,144\n我想因為他們的訴求大概有三個層次就是第一個部分就是針對比較重要就是針對流浪犬的這些更積極有效的處理的方式那這個處理方式當然我們現在目前有我們的有我們的規劃包括盪到熱區盪到村裡可是我一直覺得盪到村裡以後還是有村裡的執行是不夠的\n\n6\n00:01:49,924 --> 00:02:15,858\n所以我後續會去研議用一個跨村裡的一個團隊去共同執行的方式可能會有比較好的效果不然我因為我就直接講我們想提醒的重點我知道你們現在大概有所謂生態熱區的計畫這部分動保司其實也有在改善這部分我們都歡迎鼓勵但其實我想更重要的事情是其實農業部轄下也有很多的保護區是\n\n7\n00:02:17,899 --> 00:02:38,775\n這保護區裡面我們目前也看到很多野生動物被咬傷的這個案例包括我們現在看到幾個例子裡面包括四草野生動物保護區裡面的黑面皮魯或者香山濕地的這重要的水鳥其實都有遇到攻擊但是他們現在遇到的威脅不只是這個遊蕩犬毛也還有包括其他的但是這裡面看起來\n\n8\n00:02:39,275 --> 00:02:48,157\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n9\n00:03:05,220 --> 00:03:32,439\n所以我們現在看到幾個狀況包括其實內政部所管的國家公園裡面已經有禁止民眾餵食遊蕩犬貓的規定了那也包括農業部為了預防狂犬病的傳染其實也禁止民眾把犬貓帶入自然保護區可是我們剛剛針對這幾個農業部所狹下的保護區的概念裡面我們沒有看到類似包括你該做的一致的操作指引\n\n10\n00:03:32,995 --> 00:04:02,458\n或者是禁止民眾餵食這樣的規範我們目前其實沒有看到部長你覺不覺得我們在這幾個反而更重要的保護區裡面有更珍貴的這個動植物應該要做相關的規範部長我跟你講非常認同這之前我也跟我們的相關的林保署等單位處理過就是說我們化令業政策保護區裡面也要一定要禁止餵食你如果沒有禁止餵食什麼都不要談部長如果你有這個概念的話我覺得我們就把行動做出來吧\n\n11\n00:04:03,178 --> 00:04:23,596\n該做的規範包括依次的質疑我們會盡快把它做出來我們可不可以在兩個月內把這樣子的做法拔給提出來這應該不難我們可以提出來但是我們現在的同仁回報的問題就是說我禁止餵食以後後面的法則要跟著出來不然是沒有用的我覺得因為這裡面牽涉到你們保護區裡面88個我也同意你們找出\n\n12\n00:04:24,296 --> 00:04:46,127\n也最嚴重的有一個優先順序我這同意可是我們開始有所行動好不好這我想提醒的第一點第二點我想提醒其實我們現在也針對不管是野保法動保法目前都有大修的規劃但是不然我想提醒其實我覺得這是一個好的時機我認為應該通盤的檢討動保法野保法畜牧法漁業法等相關法規其實\n\n13\n00:04:47,423 --> 00:05:16,522\n很多專家都提醒我們這裡面幾部法裡面都有一些相互衝突重疊或職責模糊的地方那這很造成中央地方無所適從的問題我舉個例子不好意思一點時間比方說野保法第三條對野生動物的定義是一般狀況下生活在自然環境的動物那什麼是一般狀況比方說梅花鹿算不算生活在自然環境下的動物算不算梅花鹿算不算\n\n14\n00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:34,196\n棉花鹿應該是一般動物啊對,棉花鹿算不算可是我跟部長說就農業部規定裡面棉花鹿他說棉花鹿喔不算牠不算是野生動物他是家畜可是我們看到肯定很多的棉花鹿牠們有4組啊\n\n15\n00:05:35,316 --> 00:05:40,581\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法\n\n16\n00:05:53,513 --> 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--> 00:16.354\n賴思寶、賴思寶、賴思寶委員不在請何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳委員不在請李坤澄、李坤澄、李坤澄、李坤澄委員不在請高金素梅、高金素梅、高金素梅委員不在請洪森漢委員質詢。\n\n00:30.503 --> 00:32.930\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。\n\n00:43.247 --> 00:59.643\n市長,上個禮拜天其實有這個將近五千位關心生態保育的民眾上了街頭那他們非常關注遊蕩犬貓其實對於目前生態的帶來的一些衝擊部長應該知道這件事情吧?知道部長其實我認為你應該到場的\n\n01:02.579 --> 01:26.075\n其實現場有很多是我們生態領域的專家學者其實他們都是可以幫助我們來解決相關問題的很重要的以重的幫手那部長我想先請問農業部其實在犬貓與野生動物保育這個農業部是犬貓跟野生動物保育的主管機關那對於大家現在擔心的這些問題這個農業部打算怎麼處理\n\n01:27.208 --> 01:49.144\n我想因為他們的訴求大概有三個層次就是第一個部分就是針對比較重要就是針對流浪犬的這些更積極有效的處理的方式那這個處理方式當然我們現在目前有我們的有我們的規劃包括盪到熱區盪到村裡可是我一直覺得盪到村裡以後還是有村裡的執行是不夠的\n\n01:49.924 --> 02:15.858\n所以我後續會去研議用一個跨村裡的一個團隊去共同執行的方式可能會有比較好的效果不然我因為我就直接講我們想提醒的重點我知道你們現在大概有所謂生態熱區的計畫這部分動保司其實也有在改善這部分我們都歡迎鼓勵但其實我想更重要的事情是其實農業部轄下也有很多的保護區是\n\n02:17.899 --> 02:38.775\n這保護區裡面我們目前也看到很多野生動物被咬傷的這個案例包括我們現在看到幾個例子裡面包括四草野生動物保護區裡面的黑面皮魯或者香山濕地的這重要的水鳥其實都有遇到攻擊但是他們現在遇到的威脅不只是這個遊蕩犬毛也還有包括其他的但是這裡面看起來\n\n02:39.275 --> 02:48.157\n條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案\n\n03:05.220 --> 03:32.439\n所以我們現在看到幾個狀況包括其實內政部所管的國家公園裡面已經有禁止民眾餵食遊蕩犬貓的規定了那也包括農業部為了預防狂犬病的傳染其實也禁止民眾把犬貓帶入自然保護區可是我們剛剛針對這幾個農業部所狹下的保護區的概念裡面我們沒有看到類似包括你該做的一致的操作指引\n\n03:32.995 --> 04:02.458\n或者是禁止民眾餵食這樣的規範我們目前其實沒有看到部長你覺不覺得我們在這幾個反而更重要的保護區裡面有更珍貴的這個動植物應該要做相關的規範部長我跟你講非常認同這之前我也跟我們的相關的林保署等單位處理過就是說我們化令業政策保護區裡面也要一定要禁止餵食你如果沒有禁止餵食什麼都不要談部長如果你有這個概念的話我覺得我們就把行動做出來吧\n\n04:03.178 --> 04:23.596\n該做的規範包括依次的質疑我們會盡快把它做出來我們可不可以在兩個月內把這樣子的做法拔給提出來這應該不難我們可以提出來但是我們現在的同仁回報的問題就是說我禁止餵食以後後面的法則要跟著出來不然是沒有用的我覺得因為這裡面牽涉到你們保護區裡面88個我也同意你們找出\n\n04:24.296 --> 04:46.127\n也最嚴重的有一個優先順序我這同意可是我們開始有所行動好不好這我想提醒的第一點第二點我想提醒其實我們現在也針對不管是野保法動保法目前都有大修的規劃但是不然我想提醒其實我覺得這是一個好的時機我認為應該通盤的檢討動保法野保法畜牧法漁業法等相關法規其實\n\n04:47.423 --> 05:16.522\n很多專家都提醒我們這裡面幾部法裡面都有一些相互衝突重疊或職責模糊的地方那這很造成中央地方無所適從的問題我舉個例子不好意思一點時間比方說野保法第三條對野生動物的定義是一般狀況下生活在自然環境的動物那什麼是一般狀況比方說梅花鹿算不算生活在自然環境下的動物算不算梅花鹿算不算\n\n05:17.250 --> 05:34.196\n棉花鹿應該是一般動物啊對,棉花鹿算不算可是我跟部長說就農業部規定裡面棉花鹿他說棉花鹿喔不算牠不算是野生動物他是家畜可是我們看到肯定很多的棉花鹿牠們有4組啊\n\n05:35.316 --> 05:40.581\n部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法\n\n05:53.513 --> 06:23.313\n最後這個獵人就在不知道是誰主管的狀況下下令開槍就造成了這個悲劇所以我說這幾個法規動保法、野保法、畜牧法、漁業法這幾個法規其實是有一些彼此漢格模糊地帶的地方我一個建議是我們也應該趁這個時間點不應該是動保是修自己的動保法然後林保署修自己的野保法那可是彼此中間其實現在很多執行的模糊地帶我認為農業部應該把這件事情扛起來假設我們現在這幾個法規都有想要修的打算\n\n06:23.853 --> 06:25.735\n修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容\n\n06:39.628 --> 07:04.014\n但是你提到的畜牧法的部分我的確是過去是沒有去注意那我想我們後續會再來看畜牧法本身跟動物保護法跟野保護法之間有一些謀無地帶的話我們可以也許如果可以在動物保護裡面去處理就在動物保護裡面去處理但部長我當然知道說這個工作法規的檢討部分會需要一點時間比方說我覺得你可以有三個月的我可以給農業部三個月的時間這些相關的競合把它盤清楚\n\n07:04.434 --> 07:05.274\n規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容\n\n07:19.502 --> 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方在執行上面其實都有很困惑的點，我們把它弄清楚以後，在定義上定清楚，或者在執行上面、主管上面定清楚，我們再調整一次這件事情，應該是沒有問題吧！"],["陳部長駿季：可以，我覺得不要3個月，因為現在野保法已經在院裡面，動保法我們希望年底送院，有一部分可以在這兩個法裡面處理的，我們儘可能在1個月之內就提出來。"],["洪委員申翰：你要提前更好，1個月的時間給我們相關法規競合的檢討，提一份報告給我們，謝謝部長。"],["陳部長駿季：好，謝謝。"],["主席：請黃健豪、黃健豪、黃健豪委員不在。","請郭昱晴委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":70,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-19-12","speakers":["呂玉玲","徐巧芯","鄭天財Sra 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